Re: Mainframe environment on AWS

[scott Ford]

Yep I agree with Sebastian . The Redbooks are great and accurate for
installation and maintaining z/PDT

On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 5:06 AM Sebastian Welton 
wrote:

> Some comments inserted, very basic ones though, but overall, you can do
> pretty much all of what you require...
>
> On Fri, 11 Oct 2019 08:16:30 +1300, Laurence Chiu 
> wrote:
>
> >That's very interesting.
> >
> >Looks like the personal edition might be a good tool to get new developers
> >familiar with the environment. And then maybe Enterprise edition if we
> want
> >to offload some development work from the host.
>
> The PE version is only limited to one user so possibly not ideal for a
> company. The EE version does have single user licensing if you want to go
> that way but also multiple users and can work in tandem with Rational
> tokens for CPU licensing. In fact with the EE version you could have
> multiple users who could spin up their own z/OS systems whenever they want
> or you could just have one larger system with multiple users. It also
> allows you to extract CICS and DB2 artifacts from your Z so you can even
> narrow it down further as to what each user would have in their z/OS image.
> There are quite a few possibilities there
>
> >
> >However is not clear to me how you would do applications development on
> the
> >platform if you were using a third party source code management product.
> >Would you be able to install that on the environment or have to download
> >all the source code and copy books to this environment to be able to do
> >test compiles?
> >
>
> Many companies offer licensing for their products on the ZD platform,
> it's just a question of asking them. You would probably have to copy the
> SCM data over to the ZD environment in order to use it unless there is a
> way of, say, network connectivity to it. Alternatively, just move your
> whole development environment over to ZD return the development LPAR
> resources back to production :-)
>
> >Also does all IBM software run on the environment or only a subset?
> >
>
> Practically all z/OS software runs in this environment however there are
> some limitations to the emulation side, not everything Z can be emulated
> although IBM have performed an admirable task here. As a ZD user you
> would also be licensed to use the ADCD stack which includes nearly all IBM
> middleware products and more:
> http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/MVSDS/'HTTPD2.ADCD.GLOBAL.SHTML(A23DREAD)'
>
> >Also one of the projects we would be looking at is spinning up our first
> >sysplex. It would be cool to be able to do that using ZDG Parallel
> >Sysplex but the application we want to test in this Plex is not from IBM
> >and I have no idea how you would get it to run.
>
> The Parallel Sysplex offering requires that you run z/VM, one of the ares
> where zPDT cannot perform all emulation. Documented here:
> https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSTQBD_12.0.4/com.ibm.zsys.rdt.guide.adcd.doc/topics/c_node_zvm_adcd.html
> Once again, for a 3rd party product, you would just need to talk to the
> supplier about licensing.
>
> There are a lot of resources on the web from IBM about ZD
>
> Sebastian
>
>
> >
> >On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 9:44 PM Sebastian Welton 
> wrote:
> >
> >> They are pretty much the same product, ZD uses zPDT as the underlying
> >> emulator but depending upon which version you use, has many
> enhancements to
> >> provide a DevOps experience. As already pointed out, zPDT is only for
> ISVs
> >> and ZD is available to commercial entities but you are bound by the
> usage
> >> which tends to be only development, testing and education: from IBM:
> >>
> >> 
> >> It creates an environment for mainframe application demonstration,
> >> development, testing, and employee education without Z mainframe
> hardware
> >>
> >> ZD cannot be used for production workloads of any kind, nor robust
> >> development workloads, production module builds, preproduction testing,
> >> stress testing, or performance testing.
> >> 
> >>
> >> There are 3 versions of ZD:
> >>
> >> ZD Personal Edition - this enables a single user to run an IBM® Z
> >> distribution on a personal computer.
> >> ZD Enterprise Edition - this enables enterprises to host an IBM Z
> >> distribution on low-cost Intel-based x86 machines. Enterprise Edition
> >> provides a web-based interface. You can extract, deploy, and manage the
> >> application images from an existing Z or ADCD packages.
> >> ZD Parallel Sysplex - can be used to enable a Sysplex environment that
> >> is running within z/VM
> >>
> >> zPDT on the other hand, provide qualified PartnerWorld Independent
> >> Software Vendors (ISVs) with z/OS, z/VM, z/VSE and associated middleware
> >> products. You need to go through an approval process in order to get it.
> >>
> >> Sebastian
> >>
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Re: Mainframe environment on AWS

[scott Ford]

Yep and everyone is great

On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 9:52 AM Bill Ogden  wrote:

> > Is there a support forum for zPDT and/or zD?
>
> You might check "groups.yahoo.com/group/z1090" for zPDT, although I
> believe some zD users appear there also.
>
> Bill
>
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Re: Mainframe environment on AWS

[Bill Ogden]

> Is there a support forum for zPDT and/or zD?

You might check "groups.yahoo.com/group/z1090" for zPDT, although I 
believe some zD users appear there also. 

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Re: Mainframe environment on AWS

[Sebastian Welton]

Some comments inserted, very basic ones though, but overall, you can do pretty 
much all of what you require...

On Fri, 11 Oct 2019 08:16:30 +1300, Laurence Chiu  wrote:

>That's very interesting.
>
>Looks like the personal edition might be a good tool to get new developers
>familiar with the environment. And then maybe Enterprise edition if we want
>to offload some development work from the host.

The PE version is only limited to one user so possibly not ideal for a company. 
The EE version does have single user licensing if you want to go that way but 
also multiple users and can work in tandem with Rational tokens for CPU 
licensing. In fact with the EE version you could have multiple users who could 
spin up their own z/OS systems whenever they want or you could just have one 
larger system with multiple users. It also allows you to extract CICS and DB2 
artifacts from your Z so you can even narrow it down further as to what each 
user would have in their z/OS image. There are quite a few possibilities there

>
>However is not clear to me how you would do applications development on the
>platform if you were using a third party source code management product.
>Would you be able to install that on the environment or have to download
>all the source code and copy books to this environment to be able to do
>test compiles?
>

Many companies offer licensing for their products on the ZD platform, it's 
just a question of asking them. You would probably have to copy the SCM data 
over to the ZD environment in order to use it unless there is a way of, say, 
network connectivity to it. Alternatively, just move your whole development 
environment over to ZD return the development LPAR resources back to 
production :-)

>Also does all IBM software run on the environment or only a subset?
>

Practically all z/OS software runs in this environment however there are some 
limitations to the emulation side, not everything Z can be emulated although 
IBM have performed an admirable task here. As a ZD user you would also be 
licensed to use the ADCD stack which includes nearly all IBM middleware 
products and more: 
http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/MVSDS/'HTTPD2.ADCD.GLOBAL.SHTML(A23DREAD)'

>Also one of the projects we would be looking at is spinning up our first
>sysplex. It would be cool to be able to do that using ZDG Parallel
>Sysplex but the application we want to test in this Plex is not from IBM
>and I have no idea how you would get it to run.

The Parallel Sysplex offering requires that you run z/VM, one of the ares where 
zPDT cannot perform all emulation. Documented here: 
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSTQBD_12.0.4/com.ibm.zsys.rdt.guide.adcd.doc/topics/c_node_zvm_adcd.html
 Once again, for a 3rd party product, you would just need to talk to the 
supplier about licensing.

There are a lot of resources on the web from IBM about ZD

Sebastian


>
>On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 9:44 PM Sebastian Welton  wrote:
>
>> They are pretty much the same product, ZD uses zPDT as the underlying
>> emulator but depending upon which version you use, has many enhancements to
>> provide a DevOps experience. As already pointed out, zPDT is only for ISVs
>> and ZD is available to commercial entities but you are bound by the usage
>> which tends to be only development, testing and education: from IBM:
>>
>> 
>> It creates an environment for mainframe application demonstration,
>> development, testing, and employee education without Z mainframe hardware
>>
>> ZD cannot be used for production workloads of any kind, nor robust
>> development workloads, production module builds, preproduction testing,
>> stress testing, or performance testing.
>> 
>>
>> There are 3 versions of ZD:
>>
>> ZD Personal Edition - this enables a single user to run an IBM® Z
>> distribution on a personal computer.
>> ZD Enterprise Edition - this enables enterprises to host an IBM Z
>> distribution on low-cost Intel-based x86 machines. Enterprise Edition
>> provides a web-based interface. You can extract, deploy, and manage the
>> application images from an existing Z or ADCD packages.
>> ZD Parallel Sysplex - can be used to enable a Sysplex environment that
>> is running within z/VM
>>
>> zPDT on the other hand, provide qualified PartnerWorld Independent
>> Software Vendors (ISVs) with z/OS, z/VM, z/VSE and associated middleware
>> products. You need to go through an approval process in order to get it.
>>
>> Sebastian
>>
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Re: Mainframe environment on AWS

[scott Ford]

There are a couple other z/OS emulators out there. We have z/PDT and have
had for some time since we are a IDM ISV..

Scott

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 4:53 PM Mike Schwab  wrote:

> Instruction and called function emulation.  Written by the guy that
> did z390 and zcobol.
>
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 1:40 PM Peter  wrote:
> >
> > Out of curiosity,  How is lzlab hosting the mainframe on cloud ?(x86).
> > Moreover recently they have published about moving one of the Swiss
> company
> > mainframe to cloud(their production workload)
> >
> > On Thu, 10 Oct, 2019, 9:58 PM Sebastian Welton, 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Yes there is for both:
> > >
> > > zPDT - https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/z1090/info
> > >
> > > ZD -
> > >
> https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/forums/html/forum?id=----2283
> > >
> > > Sebastian
> > >
> > > On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 17:37:25 +, Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw <
> > > lenni...@rsmpartners.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Bill,
> > > >
> > > >Is there a support forum for zPDT and/or zD?
> > > >
> > > >Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw�|�Security Lead�|�RSM Partners Ltd��
> > > >Web:��www.rsmpartners.com
> > > >'Dance like no one is watching. Encrypt like everyone is.'
> > > >
> > > >-Original Message-
> > > >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> Behalf
> > > Of Bill Ogden
> > > >Sent: 10 October 2019 15:15
> > > >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > >Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Mainframe environment on AWS
> > > >
> > > >> I'm new to z/OS in X86. What's the difference between zPDT and ZD?
> > > >> The documentation I could find is not clear.
> > > >
> > > >> Looks like something that might be useful in the shop where I'm
> > > >currently
> > > >
> > > >See IBM publication SG24-8205-04 for a detailed discussion. In short,
> the
> > > >terms and conditions (and sales plans) are completely different, but
> the
> > > >actual emulation program and functions are the same, with very slight
> > > >differences.  zPDT (for ISVs) includes z/VM and z/VSE, whereas z/VM
> is an
> > > >extra feature for zD They use different tokens (IBM types 1090 and
> > > >1091); software-only licenses are only for zD  Very minor
> differences.
> > > >
> > > >Unless you are an ISV, a member of the IBM Partnerworld, and eligible
> for
> > > >the z Systems developer discount program, your path would be to zD
> > > >
> > > >Bill Ogden
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Re: Mainframe environment on AWS

[Mike Schwab]

Instruction and called function emulation.  Written by the guy that
did z390 and zcobol.

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 1:40 PM Peter  wrote:
>
> Out of curiosity,  How is lzlab hosting the mainframe on cloud ?(x86).
> Moreover recently they have published about moving one of the Swiss company
> mainframe to cloud(their production workload)
>
> On Thu, 10 Oct, 2019, 9:58 PM Sebastian Welton,  wrote:
>
> > Yes there is for both:
> >
> > zPDT - https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/z1090/info
> >
> > ZD -
> > https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/forums/html/forum?id=----2283
> >
> > Sebastian
> >
> > On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 17:37:25 +, Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw <
> > lenni...@rsmpartners.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Bill,
> > >
> > >Is there a support forum for zPDT and/or zD?
> > >
> > >Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw�|�Security Lead�|�RSM Partners Ltd��
> > >Web:��www.rsmpartners.com
> > >'Dance like no one is watching. Encrypt like everyone is.'
> > >
> > >-Original Message-
> > >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf
> > Of Bill Ogden
> > >Sent: 10 October 2019 15:15
> > >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > >Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Mainframe environment on AWS
> > >
> > >> I'm new to z/OS in X86. What's the difference between zPDT and ZD?
> > >> The documentation I could find is not clear.
> > >
> > >> Looks like something that might be useful in the shop where I'm
> > >currently
> > >
> > >See IBM publication SG24-8205-04 for a detailed discussion. In short, the
> > >terms and conditions (and sales plans) are completely different, but the
> > >actual emulation program and functions are the same, with very slight
> > >differences.  zPDT (for ISVs) includes z/VM and z/VSE, whereas z/VM is an
> > >extra feature for zD They use different tokens (IBM types 1090 and
> > >1091); software-only licenses are only for zD  Very minor differences.
> > >
> > >Unless you are an ISV, a member of the IBM Partnerworld, and eligible for
> > >the z Systems developer discount program, your path would be to zD
> > >
> > >Bill Ogden
> > >
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Re: Mainframe environment on AWS

[Laurence Chiu]

That wouldn't be an impediment to us if it could help make our developers
more productive or encourage more people from the other side of the
development shop to start looking at mainframe development.

On Wed, Oct 9, 2019, 5:27 AM John McKown

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Re: Mainframe environment on AWS

[Laurence Chiu]

That's very interesting.

Looks like the personal edition might be a good tool to get new developers
familiar with the environment. And then maybe Enterprise edition if we want
to offload some development work from the host.

However is not clear to me how you would do applications development on the
platform if you were using a third party source code management product.
Would you be able to install that on the environment or have to download
all the source code and copy books to this environment to be able to do
test compiles?

Also does all IBM software run on the environment or only a subset?

Also one of the projects we would be looking at is spinning up our first
sysplex. It would be cool to be able to do that using ZDG Parallel
Sysplex but the application we want to test in this Plex is not from IBM
and I have no idea how you would get it to run.

Still food for thought.


On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 9:44 PM Sebastian Welton  wrote:

> They are pretty much the same product, ZD uses zPDT as the underlying
> emulator but depending upon which version you use, has many enhancements to
> provide a DevOps experience. As already pointed out, zPDT is only for ISVs
> and ZD is available to commercial entities but you are bound by the usage
> which tends to be only development, testing and education: from IBM:
>
> 
> It creates an environment for mainframe application demonstration,
> development, testing, and employee education without Z mainframe hardware
>
> ZD cannot be used for production workloads of any kind, nor robust
> development workloads, production module builds, preproduction testing,
> stress testing, or performance testing.
> 
>
> There are 3 versions of ZD:
>
> ZD Personal Edition - this enables a single user to run an IBM® Z
> distribution on a personal computer.
> ZD Enterprise Edition - this enables enterprises to host an IBM Z
> distribution on low-cost Intel-based x86 machines. Enterprise Edition
> provides a web-based interface. You can extract, deploy, and manage the
> application images from an existing Z or ADCD packages.
> ZD Parallel Sysplex - can be used to enable a Sysplex environment that
> is running within z/VM
>
> zPDT on the other hand, provide qualified PartnerWorld Independent
> Software Vendors (ISVs) with z/OS, z/VM, z/VSE and associated middleware
> products. You need to go through an approval process in order to get it.
>
> Sebastian
>
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Re: Mainframe environment on AWS

[Peter]

Out of curiosity,  How is lzlab hosting the mainframe on cloud ?(x86).
Moreover recently they have published about moving one of the Swiss company
mainframe to cloud(their production workload)

On Thu, 10 Oct, 2019, 9:58 PM Sebastian Welton,  wrote:

> Yes there is for both:
>
> zPDT - https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/z1090/info
>
> ZD -
> https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/forums/html/forum?id=----2283
>
> Sebastian
>
> On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 17:37:25 +, Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw <
> lenni...@rsmpartners.com> wrote:
>
> >Bill,
> >
> >Is there a support forum for zPDT and/or zD?
> >
> >Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw�|�Security Lead�|�RSM Partners Ltd��
> >Web:��www.rsmpartners.com
> >'Dance like no one is watching. Encrypt like everyone is.'
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf
> Of Bill Ogden
> >Sent: 10 October 2019 15:15
> >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> >Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Mainframe environment on AWS
> >
> >> I'm new to z/OS in X86. What's the difference between zPDT and ZD?
> >> The documentation I could find is not clear.
> >
> >> Looks like something that might be useful in the shop where I'm
> >currently
> >
> >See IBM publication SG24-8205-04 for a detailed discussion. In short, the
> >terms and conditions (and sales plans) are completely different, but the
> >actual emulation program and functions are the same, with very slight
> >differences.  zPDT (for ISVs) includes z/VM and z/VSE, whereas z/VM is an
> >extra feature for zD They use different tokens (IBM types 1090 and
> >1091); software-only licenses are only for zD  Very minor differences.
> >
> >Unless you are an ISV, a member of the IBM Partnerworld, and eligible for
> >the z Systems developer discount program, your path would be to zD
> >
> >Bill Ogden
> >
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Re: Mainframe environment on AWS

[Michel Beaulieu]

Try z1090 forum in Yahoo Groups.

z1...@yahoogroups.com

Not a Listserv.  So registration follows Yahoo process.

Michel Beaulieu
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw 
Sent: October 10, 2019 1:37 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Re: Mainframe environment on AWS

Bill,

Is there a support forum for zPDT and/or zD?

Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw | Security Lead | RSM Partners Ltd
Web:  www.rsmpartners.com<http://www.rsmpartners.com>
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Bill Ogden
Sent: 10 October 2019 15:15
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Mainframe environment on AWS

> I'm new to z/OS in X86. What's the difference between zPDT and ZD?
> The documentation I could find is not clear.

> Looks like something that might be useful in the shop where I'm
currently

See IBM publication SG24-8205-04 for a detailed discussion. In short, the
terms and conditions (and sales plans) are completely different, but the
actual emulation program and functions are the same, with very slight
differences.  zPDT (for ISVs) includes z/VM and z/VSE, whereas z/VM is an
extra feature for zD They use different tokens (IBM types 1090 and
1091); software-only licenses are only for zD  Very minor differences.

Unless you are an ISV, a member of the IBM Partnerworld, and eligible for
the z Systems developer discount program, your path would be to zD

Bill Ogden


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Re: Mainframe environment on AWS

[Sebastian Welton]

Yes there is for both:

zPDT - https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/z1090/info

ZD - 
https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/forums/html/forum?id=----2283

Sebastian

On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 17:37:25 +, Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw 
 wrote:

>Bill,
>
>Is there a support forum for zPDT and/or zD?
>
>Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw�|�Security Lead�|�RSM Partners Ltd��
>Web:��www.rsmpartners.com
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>Bill Ogden
>Sent: 10 October 2019 15:15
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>Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Mainframe environment on AWS
>
>> I'm new to z/OS in X86. What's the difference between zPDT and ZD? 
>> The documentation I could find is not clear.
>
>> Looks like something that might be useful in the shop where I'm
>currently
>
>See IBM publication SG24-8205-04 for a detailed discussion. In short, the 
>terms and conditions (and sales plans) are completely different, but the 
>actual emulation program and functions are the same, with very slight 
>differences.  zPDT (for ISVs) includes z/VM and z/VSE, whereas z/VM is an 
>extra feature for zD They use different tokens (IBM types 1090 and 
>1091); software-only licenses are only for zD  Very minor differences.
>
>Unless you are an ISV, a member of the IBM Partnerworld, and eligible for 
>the z Systems developer discount program, your path would be to zD
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>Bill Ogden
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Re: Mainframe environment on AWS

[Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw]

Bill,

Is there a support forum for zPDT and/or zD?

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Bill Ogden
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Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Mainframe environment on AWS

> I'm new to z/OS in X86. What's the difference between zPDT and ZD? 
> The documentation I could find is not clear.

> Looks like something that might be useful in the shop where I'm
currently

See IBM publication SG24-8205-04 for a detailed discussion. In short, the 
terms and conditions (and sales plans) are completely different, but the 
actual emulation program and functions are the same, with very slight 
differences.  zPDT (for ISVs) includes z/VM and z/VSE, whereas z/VM is an 
extra feature for zD They use different tokens (IBM types 1090 and 
1091); software-only licenses are only for zD  Very minor differences.

Unless you are an ISV, a member of the IBM Partnerworld, and eligible for 
the z Systems developer discount program, your path would be to zD

Bill Ogden


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Re: Mainframe environment on AWS

[Bill Ogden]

> I'm new to z/OS in X86. What's the difference between zPDT and ZD? The
> documentation I could find is not clear.

> Looks like something that might be useful in the shop where I'm 
currently

See IBM publication SG24-8205-04 for a detailed discussion. In short, the 
terms and conditions (and sales plans) are completely different, but the 
actual emulation program and functions are the same, with very slight 
differences.  zPDT (for ISVs) includes z/VM and z/VSE, whereas z/VM is an 
extra feature for zD They use different tokens (IBM types 1090 and 
1091); software-only licenses are only for zD  Very minor differences.

Unless you are an ISV, a member of the IBM Partnerworld, and eligible for 
the z Systems developer discount program, your path would be to zD

Bill Ogden


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Re: Mainframe environment on AWS

[Sebastian Welton]

They are pretty much the same product, ZD uses zPDT as the underlying 
emulator but depending upon which version you use, has many enhancements to 
provide a DevOps experience. As already pointed out, zPDT is only for ISVs and 
ZD is available to commercial entities but you are bound by the usage which 
tends to be only development, testing and education: from IBM:


It creates an environment for mainframe application demonstration, development, 
testing, and employee education without Z mainframe hardware

ZD cannot be used for production workloads of any kind, nor robust 
development workloads, production module builds, preproduction testing, stress 
testing, or performance testing.


There are 3 versions of ZD:

ZD Personal Edition - this enables a single user to run an IBM® Z 
distribution on a personal computer. 
ZD Enterprise Edition - this enables enterprises to host an IBM Z 
distribution on low-cost Intel-based x86 machines. Enterprise Edition provides 
a web-based interface. You can extract, deploy, and manage the application 
images from an existing Z or ADCD packages. 
ZD Parallel Sysplex - can be used to enable a Sysplex environment that is 
running within z/VM

zPDT on the other hand, provide qualified PartnerWorld Independent Software 
Vendors (ISVs) with z/OS, z/VM, z/VSE and associated middleware products. You 
need to go through an approval process in order to get it.

Sebastian

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Re: Mainframe environment on AWS

[ITschak Mugzach]

I think zPDT if for IBM partner in development and zPD is for clients for
development only. ADCD is the installed operating systems and products
running on zPDT or zPD

ITschak

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 8:37 AM Matt Hogstrom  wrote:

> ZPDT is the emulator that runs on x86 emulating z instructions, I/O, etc.
> ZD is the collection of z/Software and tools to create those x86 based
> z/OS instances.
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> > On Oct 10, 2019, at 11:06 AM, Laurence Chiu  wrote:
> >
> > I'm new to z/OS in X86. What's the difference between zPDT and ZD?  The
> > documentation I could find is not clear.
> >
> > Looks like something that might be useful in the shop where I'm currently
> > working.
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 9:01 AM Sebastian Welton 
> wrote:
> >
> >> I've run both zPDT and ZD succcessfully in both AWS and Azure. In fact
> >> ZD, if not PE (Personal Edition) only works with a remote license
> server
> >> although all versions of zPDT and ZD will also work with a remote
> license
> >> server. ZD EE (Enterprise Edition) does not allow for the use of a
> >> hardware token.
> >>
> >> Sebastian.
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Re: Mainframe environment on AWS

[Matt Hogstrom]

ZPDT is the emulator that runs on x86 emulating z instructions, I/O, etc.  ZD 
is the collection of z/Software and tools to create those x86 based z/OS 
instances.

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> On Oct 10, 2019, at 11:06 AM, Laurence Chiu  wrote:
> 
> I'm new to z/OS in X86. What's the difference between zPDT and ZD?  The
> documentation I could find is not clear.
> 
> Looks like something that might be useful in the shop where I'm currently
> working.
> 
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 9:01 AM Sebastian Welton  wrote:
> 
>> I've run both zPDT and ZD succcessfully in both AWS and Azure. In fact
>> ZD, if not PE (Personal Edition) only works with a remote license server
>> although all versions of zPDT and ZD will also work with a remote license
>> server. ZD EE (Enterprise Edition) does not allow for the use of a
>> hardware token.
>> 
>> Sebastian.
>> 
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Re: Mainframe environment on AWS

[Laurence Chiu]

I'm new to z/OS in X86. What's the difference between zPDT and ZD?  The
documentation I could find is not clear.

Looks like something that might be useful in the shop where I'm currently
working.

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 9:01 AM Sebastian Welton  wrote:

> I've run both zPDT and ZD succcessfully in both AWS and Azure. In fact
> ZD, if not PE (Personal Edition) only works with a remote license server
> although all versions of zPDT and ZD will also work with a remote license
> server. ZD EE (Enterprise Edition) does not allow for the use of a
> hardware token.
>
> Sebastian.
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Re: Mainframe environment on AWS

[Sebastian Welton]

I've run both zPDT and ZD succcessfully in both AWS and Azure. In fact ZD, 
if not PE (Personal Edition) only works with a remote license server although 
all versions of zPDT and ZD will also work with a remote license server. ZD 
EE (Enterprise Edition) does not allow for the use of a hardware token.

Sebastian.

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Re: Mainframe environment on AWS

[Gord Tomlin]

On 2019-10-08 13:10, ITschak Mugzach wrote:

Jhon, It should be enterprise linux. Centos is an option as well.


For the current zPDT release...

Linux levels used to build and test zPDT release. (The “official” levels.):

- RHEL 7.5, SLES 12 SP3, Ubuntu 18.04 LTS

Informally tested Linux levels:

- RHEL 7.0, 7.1, 7.2, 7.3, 7.4 (do not use 6.x)openSUSE 13.1, Leap42.3, 
Leap 15.0, Fedora 27, 28, CentOS 7.0, 7.4,Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS, 18.04.1


Most definitely the annual cost per seat for ZD is pretty hefty, and 
you can infer from this that the offering is not aimed at hobbyists.



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Re: Mainframe environment on AWS

[ITschak Mugzach]

Jhon, It should be enterprise linux. Centos is an option as well.

ITschak

On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 7:27 PM John McKown 
wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 10:47 AM Gord Tomlin <
> gt.ibm.li...@actionsoftware.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On 2019-10-08 00:20, Peter wrote:
> > > Hi All
> > >
> > > Is there anyone in the group who had Mainframe on AWS space ?
> > >
> > > I Would like to a set a one using my AWS account. Any pointers would be
> > > appreciated.
> > >
> > > Peter
> >
> > If you are an ISV, have a look at Chapter 8 of the zPDT Redbook:
> > http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg248205.html?Open
> >
> > There is an option for using a remote license server. I haven't tried it
> > myself, but have read other people's reports that they have been
> > successful.
> >
> > I don't know whether the zD offering for non-ISVs supports a remote
> > license server. Here is the forum for that offering:
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/forums/html/forum?id=----2283
>
>
> $5,070 per user per year. OUCH! And you supply the PC hardware running a
> supported Linux distro (or maybe any Linux).
>
>
>
> >
> >
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Re: Mainframe environment on AWS

[John McKown]

On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 10:47 AM Gord Tomlin 
wrote:

> On 2019-10-08 00:20, Peter wrote:
> > Hi All
> >
> > Is there anyone in the group who had Mainframe on AWS space ?
> >
> > I Would like to a set a one using my AWS account. Any pointers would be
> > appreciated.
> >
> > Peter
>
> If you are an ISV, have a look at Chapter 8 of the zPDT Redbook:
> http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg248205.html?Open
>
> There is an option for using a remote license server. I haven't tried it
> myself, but have read other people's reports that they have been
> successful.
>
> I don't know whether the zD offering for non-ISVs supports a remote
> license server. Here is the forum for that offering:
>
>
> https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/forums/html/forum?id=----2283


$5,070 per user per year. OUCH! And you supply the PC hardware running a
supported Linux distro (or maybe any Linux).



>
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Re: Mainframe environment on AWS

[Gord Tomlin]

On 2019-10-08 00:20, Peter wrote:

Hi All

Is there anyone in the group who had Mainframe on AWS space ?

I Would like to a set a one using my AWS account. Any pointers would be
appreciated.

Peter


If you are an ISV, have a look at Chapter 8 of the zPDT Redbook:
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg248205.html?Open

There is an option for using a remote license server. I haven't tried it 
myself, but have read other people's reports that they have been successful.


I don't know whether the zD offering for non-ISVs supports a remote 
license server. Here is the forum for that offering:


https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/forums/html/forum?id=----2283

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Re: Mainframe environment on AWS

[Farley, Peter x23353]

Yes, but that is MVS3.8J on Hercules mainframe emulator in S/370 mode, not z/OS.

AFAIK, no IBM hardware is available in AWS, only x86 hardware, so no, you can't 
do that.

Peter

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Re: Mainframe environment on AWS

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> Hi All
>
> Is there anyone in the group who had Mainframe on AWS space ?
>
> I Would like to a set a one using my AWS account. Any pointers would be
> appreciated.
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