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Paul Gilmartin wrote: (We need a new group, alt.ibm-main.nostalgia, or the like.) and Tony's Outlook via Mozilla wrote: We've got one, it's called IBM-MAIN, :-) My oh my! ;-) That famous list contains: OT, nostalgia, OT, trivia, OT, discussion about any computers except mainframes, flaming bickering amongst members, jokes, puns, ads, more and more OT, etc. Uhmmm, I think I should perhaps add 'mainframe (including z/OS) discussions', just to be fair... ;-D Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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EE, you made me laugh out loud this morning. For the record let's add PDSE jihads, semantics jousting, SMPE rules of engagement, what constitutes an empty file sparring, and revision of revisionist history revision. On 3/30/2015 3:00 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: Paul Gilmartin wrote: (We need a new group, alt.ibm-main.nostalgia, or the like.) and Tony's Outlook via Mozilla wrote: We've got one, it's called IBM-MAIN, :-) My oh my! ;-) That famous list contains: OT, nostalgia, OT, trivia, OT, discussion about any computers except mainframes, flaming bickering amongst members, jokes, puns, ads, more and more OT, etc. Uhmmm, I think I should perhaps add 'mainframe (including z/OS) discussions', just to be fair... ;-D Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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And then there is the topic/subject Hijack... Pulling from history, I got assigned to work on a Univac/Varian/DEC project to support the Space shuttle over at the Goddard Space Flight Center for NASA Ultimately required that I put some diodes together with some resistors... Got the 16bit DEC to talk with the 36bit Univac Finally had to write two different checkout compilers. Meanwhile they had a S/360-195 Yeah, right. On 03/30/2015 09:21 AM, Tony's Outlook via Mozilla wrote: EE, you made me laugh out loud this morning. For the record let's add PDSE jihads, semantics jousting, SMPE rules of engagement, what constitutes an empty file sparring, and revision of revisionist history revision. On 3/30/2015 3:00 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: Paul Gilmartin wrote: SNIPPAGE -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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In 20150329212721.GB25599@dlc-dt, on 03/29/2015 at 05:27 PM, David L. Craig dlc@gmail.com said: Schmuel That's Shmuel. And don't forget Tom Kern. are any neurons being triggered Giss could only run VM on the 470V/6; when they shipped that to GMSF at GSFC, they were left running a single instance of SSS, albeit on a very fast machine. GISS submitted jobs to us (GMSF) over the telephone, and was racking up a sizable telephone bill. They asked us whether we could support a tie line[1], which would cost less than the long distance charges. We told them that it looks like any other dial connection, so we wouldn't neeed to change a thing. Comes the day, a technician from CP]2] wants to know where to install the 208-A[3[6]]. You mean 208-B[4]. No, 208-A. It seems that some smart feller in procurement had asked GISS wheat numbers they would be calling, and when he heard that it was always the same number he changed the PO to a lease line, but couldn't be bothered to ask whether it would actually work[5]. Fortunately we had a spare lease line adaptor on our Memorex 1270[6], but I was still ready to burn the procurement monkey at the stake. [1] A fixed long distant connection to a remote local office. Calls are billed based on teir relationship to the remote end. [2] Now part of Verizon (ptui!). [3] 4800 bps synchronous 4-wire modem for leased line. [4] 4800 bps synchronous 2-wire modem for dialup. [5] Not with a dialup adapter, it wouldn't. [6] There's another 208-A story for another day. Tom probably remembers it. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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JES2 was a half ASP project. --- dlc@gmail.com wrote: From: David L. Craig dlc@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Digital? Cloud? Modern And Cost-Effective? Surprise! It's The Mainframe - Forbes Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 11:38:59 -0400 On 15Mar29:1833-0400, David L. Craig wrote: It's interesting to see how it's been marked up to note the differences since the application was migrated to the 3081 running MVS. Nancy is Nancy L. Palm who is the sysprog I'm trying to track down. It's unclear to me from the listings if it's ASP or HASP--whatever it was was highly modded, IIRC. ;-) Nancy (now Assistant Chief) confirmed the 91 did not use ASP. So I was wrong. Where's my ceremonial sword? Hopefully I won't get that wrong. ;-) -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN _ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 15Mar29:1833-0400, David L. Craig wrote: It's interesting to see how it's been marked up to note the differences since the application was migrated to the 3081 running MVS. Nancy is Nancy L. Palm who is the sysprog I'm trying to track down. It's unclear to me from the listings if it's ASP or HASP--whatever it was was highly modded, IIRC. ;-) Nancy (now Assistant Chief) confirmed the 91 did not use ASP. So I was wrong. Where's my ceremonial sword? Hopefully I won't get that wrong. ;-) -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Hey David, Nobody's perfect dude On Monday, March 30, 2015, Richard Pinion rpin...@netscape.com wrote: JES2 was a half ASP project. --- dlc@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: From: David L. Craig dlc@gmail.com javascript:; To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU javascript:; Subject: Re: OT: Digital? Cloud? Modern And Cost-Effective? Surprise! It's The Mainframe - Forbes Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 11:38:59 -0400 On 15Mar29:1833-0400, David L. Craig wrote: It's interesting to see how it's been marked up to note the differences since the application was migrated to the 3081 running MVS. Nancy is Nancy L. Palm who is the sysprog I'm trying to track down. It's unclear to me from the listings if it's ASP or HASP--whatever it was was highly modded, IIRC. ;-) Nancy (now Assistant Chief) confirmed the 91 did not use ASP. So I was wrong. Where's my ceremonial sword? Hopefully I won't get that wrong. ;-) -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu javascript:; with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN _ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu javascript:; with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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David L. Craig wrote: Nancy (now Assistant Chief) confirmed the 91 did not use ASP. So I was wrong. Where's my ceremonial sword? Hopefully I won't get that wrong. ;-) Ok, just lay for me nice and easy flat while I sharpen my sword. sharpening . sharpening more sharpening Ops. Too much sharpening, I now have a little pocket knife. Ok David, today I will spare your life... ;-D Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 14:45:53 -0600, Mark Post wrote: IBM has been investing a lot of money in developing OpenStack and related software to manage and run Linux on z Systems. In addition to that they've been updating their various middleware products to capitalize on what they see as the growing market for mobile. All good so far. In essence, it's going to be a combination of z/OS (since that's where most of the data lives), z/VM for a hypervisor, and Linux guests. Did you seriously imagine it would be anything else? Softlayer ?. Bluemix ?. What proportion of those run on z ?. Does IBM eat their own (z) dogfood ?. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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This IBM page has solid tech notes and includes an enlargable photo of that same console early in its deployment. Maybe Nancy can name some of those folks for posterity. https://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/mainframe/mainframe_PP2091.html -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 08:57:38 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:11 AM, Tom Marchant wrote: Interesting article about the mainframe in Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbloomberg/2015/03/24/digital-cloud-modern-and-cost-effective-surprise-its-the-mainframe/ tiny'd: http://preview.tinyurl.com/pv3wwz9 Do they say what OS? I still haven't seen a plausible answer; not even a guess. The only one tendered, OS/MVT/ASP strikes me as absolutely incredible. (We need a new group, alt.ibm-main.nostalgia, or the like.) -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 15Mar29:1453-0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: I still haven't seen a plausible answer; not even a guess. The only one tendered, OS/MVT/ASP strikes me as absolutely incredible. Sheesh. I've sent an email to one of the primary sysprogs-- hopefully he'll speak definitively on this matter. -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 3/29/2015 at 03:53 PM, Paul Gilmartin 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote: On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 08:57:38 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:11 AM, Tom Marchant wrote: Interesting article about the mainframe in Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbloomberg/2015/03/24/digital-cloud-modern-an d-cost-effective-surprise-its-the-mainframe/ tiny'd: http://preview.tinyurl.com/pv3wwz9 Do they say what OS? I still haven't seen a plausible answer; not even a guess. The only one tendered, OS/MVT/ASP strikes me as absolutely incredible. IBM has been investing a lot of money in developing OpenStack and related software to manage and run Linux on z Systems. In addition to that they've been updating their various middleware products to capitalize on what they see as the growing market for mobile. In essence, it's going to be a combination of z/OS (since that's where most of the data lives), z/VM for a hypervisor, and Linux guests. Did you seriously imagine it would be anything else? Mark Post -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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We've got one, it's called IBM-MAIN, :-) On 3/29/2015 2:53 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 08:57:38 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:11 AM, Tom Marchant wrote: Interesting article about the mainframe in Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbloomberg/2015/03/24/digital-cloud-modern-and-cost-effective-surprise-its-the-mainframe/ tiny'd: http://preview.tinyurl.com/pv3wwz9 Do they say what OS? I still haven't seen a plausible answer; not even a guess. The only one tendered, OS/MVT/ASP strikes me as absolutely incredible. (We need a new group, alt.ibm-main.nostalgia, or the like.) -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 15Mar29:1453-0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: I still haven't seen a plausible answer; not even a guess. The only one tendered, OS/MVT/ASP strikes me as absolutely incredible. From http://voyager.gsfc.nasa.gov/Library/isee-3_book8.pdf In the first paragraph of the Abstract: This document contains all of the information necessary to run and maintain the ISEE-3 production data reduction software of the Science and Applications Computing Center (SACC) 360/91 OS/MVT computer (GSFC Bldg. 1, Rm. 10). It's interesting to see how it's been marked up to note the differences since the application was migrated to the 3081 running MVS. Nancy is Nancy L. Palm who is the sysprog I'm trying to track down. It's unclear to me from the listings if it's ASP or HASP--whatever it was was highly modded, IIRC. ;-) -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 15Mar29:1638-0400, David L. Craig wrote: On 15Mar29:1453-0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: I still haven't seen a plausible answer; not even a guess. The only one tendered, OS/MVT/ASP strikes me as absolutely incredible. Sheesh. I've sent an email to one of the primary sysprogs-- hopefully he'll speak definitively on this matter. This very mailing list's archives provide some clues. From http://bit.listserv.ibm-main.narkive.com/mdIah1e3/model-91 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-***@BAMA.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Frank Pajerski Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 22:53 Hrs. To: IBM-***@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: model 91 There were two known 360/95's in public use ... at 1) NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Bldg 3 (Greenbelt Md) from 1968(?) where we ( Frank Pajerski, Gene Czarcinski, Frank Ross, Herb Durbeck ) sysprog'ed our way thru various MVT releases and the RITS/CRBE/CRJE lead-up to TSO on it and two 75's and a 65 with all the classic hardware like 2321 datacells and 2301 drums, and sneered at our friends with only a lowly 360/91 across the road in Bldg 1. We (FrankP and GeneC and FrankR) left in the 1978 timeframe for various green pastures elsewhere (California and the CIA and the wilds of very western Maryland), and I received news in 1983(?) of its shutdown then. One of the unwelcome things that it had was S0C0 (imprecise) abends which dared me to determined just where in the six or more pipelined-instructions was the real problem. 2) NASA Goddard Institute for Space Sciences, squeezed into a brownstone rowhouse near Columbia in NYC, where it ran VM while surrounded by mouse/rat-traps as the staff coped with more than just bugs. It likely also came in during 1968(?), but don't know when it left ... but the coming/going must have been quite an effort what with the too-narrow doors and windows there. Don't know if NSA just up the road had one or more of these tucked away. --- Frank Pajerski and from http://ibm-main.listserv.bit.groups.com.ru/5716-model_91 Subject model 91 From smit...@us.ibm.com William Smith Date 3 Oct 2003 20:05:34 -0700 Newsgroupsbit.listserv.ibm-main The 360/95... Not to be confused with the 195. There were only two 95s built: One was located at Goddard Space Flight Center (GSFC) in Greenbelt, MD, Bldg. 3/14, and the other was located at the Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York. Sitting next to it were 2 75's and a 30. Across the street in Bldg. 1 was another 75 and a real 91. The two lead 95 systems programmers were Gene Czarcinski and Frank Pajerski, the creator of the now famous Goddard Goddies Tape, who also managed a 65 in Bldg. 14 running the SVS HASP4 retrofit with a 370 instruction simulator. The GSFC 95 had 2 drums, 1 data cell, 5 1403 line printers, 2 strings of 2314 pizza oven style DASD, 2 2540 card reader punches, 16 2400 tape drives, ran CRJE, CRBE, APL/360, ALGOL, SNOBOL, TCAM 5, a highly modified version of Fortran H (maintained under contract by Boole Babbage and CSC), TSO with a whopping max of 60 TSO users in 3 REGIONS, used the now famous LSPS mods including APG on MVT 21.8F with ASP. It had 5 megs of real CORE memory and no commercial instruction set. It's misson was backup to Houston and satellite apogee/perigee determination. I was 19 years old, my first summer college job, and I mounted tapes and pulled print outs off of it in 1972. Finally, got my hands on the master console in 1973, the light pen, and the pedal to DOM requests. No ITF BASIC. COBOL decimal arithmetic (software simulated, a SYSGEN option) brought it to its knees. This was one awesomely incredible machine: pipe line processing, imprecise interrupts and could grind away on Laplace transforms, differential equations, and sparse matrices faster than anything at the time. It was truly a visionary engineering marvel. Mean time to re-IPL: about 4 hours. I sure wish I had the sign mounted across the huge 200+ light panel that read IBM System 360. I was 22 year old operator during Apollo Soyuz in July, '75. And... splash down party beer was kept cold under the raised floor. Rose colored glasses. and dating myself. William J. Smith smit...@us.ibm.com (Lotus Notes) sfo...@sbcglobal.net (Home ISP) IBM Systems Group San Jose DFSMS Integration Packaging Technical Lead Think big, act bold, start simple, grow fast... (408) 256-1557, T/L 276-1557 I was confused between the 95s and the 91, it is clear. The 91 was in Building 1, and I didn't have much to do with those guys. I did not see its OS mentioned in my less than exhaustive reading of all the posts. Schmuel and Lynn were participants in those threads-- are any neurons being triggered by rereading this stuff? -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you
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Robert Wessel robertwess...@yahoo.com writes: IBM shipped about 20 360/91s, then a couple of 360/95s with a redesigned memory subsystem, then the 360/195 which re-implemented the same machine on a faster, denser logic process, then that modified was to include the basic S/370 extensions (no virtual memory) and shipped as the 370/195. About 40 machines of all four types (combined) were shipped. in the 70s, the 195 people sucked me into doing some stuff with them on 370/195 multiprocessor that never shipped ... basically red/blue multithreading mentioned here http://people.cs.clemson.edu/~mark/acs_end.html the above also includes some other discussion of 195 ... although primarily '60s 360 ACS ... which got canceled because executives thought that it would advance the state-of-the-art too fast and they would loose control of the market ... aka acs/360 would be significantly more cost-effective machines (also describes some of the ACS features that eventually show up in the 1990 ES/9000) one of the things they told me was that another difference between 360/195 370/195 (besides the non-virtual memory 370 instructions) was hardware instruction retry ... which greatly improved reliability. 195 execution units would do 10mips but required careful programming for the pipeline ... which did out-of-order execution ... but not branch preduction or speculative execution ... so conditional branches would drain the pipeline. as a result, most codes ran around 5mips. motivation for red/blue multitreading was the 10mips execution units would be kept busy by two 5mip threads. recent posts mentioning 370/195 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015.html#27 Webcasts - New Technology for System z http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#61 ou sont les VAXen d'antan, was Variable-Length Instructions that aren't this describes decision to make all 370 machines virtual memory ... basically MVT virtual memory allocation was so bad that typical region size had to be four times larger than what was being used ... a 1mbyte 370/165 running four regions could get 16 regions with virtual memory and still have little or no paging. http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#73 Multiple Virtual Memory however, retrofitting 370 virtual memory hardware to 370/165 (for 165-II) was no trivial task ... eventually they decide to drop several 370 virtual memory features because they were too hard for the 165 ... other machines would also have to drop those features ... and software groups that had already written code using the dropped features would have to be reworked. -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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In 551602fc.10...@yahoo.com, on 03/27/2015 at 09:25 PM, Thomas Kern 0041d919e708-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu said: Not only did GISS have a 360/95 (running a special operating system called SSS/360) but also an Amdahl 470V6 running VM/370 R3 with 3 VMs of SSS/360. Don't forget that after they shipped the 470V/6 to GMSF we upgraded to VM/SE[1]. DG. GTE, Itel and Potter are responsible for my not being nostalgic about the hardware, but Amdahl itself was reasonably reliable.. [1] Curse you, GTE! -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 15Mar27:1741-0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In 20150327175138.GA3765@dlc-dt, on 03/27/2015 at 01:51 PM, David L. Craig dlc@gmail.com said: The plaque said it's from the Goddard Space Flight Center, which was in building 3/14 and under the Flight Dynamics Directorate, My recollection is that they had a 360/91 + 360/75 and that the Goddard Institute for Space Science (GISS) at Courant Institute had a 360/95. Yes, that was FD's infrastructure until the '80s IIRC. The Orbit Computation Directorate has two 75s running OS/MVT/HASP and the so-called Goddard Real-Time System (GRTS) that was incomprehensively hooked into the supervisor by lots of IBM FEs. Migrating it to MVS was quite the challenge back in the '80s. -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Several others posted that it looks more like a 360/91 and I concur. Now, when I originally responded, I had done a search on www.ibm.com of 360/191 and it did return a hit for a 360/191, so there must have been a 191 model at some point. Al Nims Systems Admin/Programmer 3 Information Technology University of Florida (352) 273-1298 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 8:49 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Digital? Cloud? Modern And Cost-Effective? Surprise! It's The Mainframe - Forbes In a9ab655a3a844ccd82c04f216c6d0...@exmbxprd01.ad.ufl.edu, on 03/26/2015 at 12:48 PM, Nims,Alva John (Al) ajn...@ufl.edu said: The picture is not very good though. A google search of 360/195 got a few hits that may support that the ancestor is a 360/19x 19x? The only 3-digit S/360 model was 195. Did you mean 360/9x? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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It's not at 191 it's a s360/195 . Scott On Friday, March 27, 2015, Nims,Alva John (Al) ajn...@ufl.edu wrote: Several others posted that it looks more like a 360/91 and I concur. Now, when I originally responded, I had done a search on www.ibm.com of 360/191 and it did return a hit for a 360/191, so there must have been a 191 model at some point. Al Nims Systems Admin/Programmer 3 Information Technology University of Florida (352) 273-1298 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU javascript:;] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 8:49 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU javascript:; Subject: Re: OT: Digital? Cloud? Modern And Cost-Effective? Surprise! It's The Mainframe - Forbes In a9ab655a3a844ccd82c04f216c6d0...@exmbxprd01.ad.ufl.edu javascript:;, on 03/26/2015 at 12:48 PM, Nims,Alva John (Al) ajn...@ufl.edu javascript:; said: The picture is not very good though. A google search of 360/195 got a few hits that may support that the ancestor is a 360/19x 19x? The only 3-digit S/360 model was 195. Did you mean 360/9x? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu javascript:; with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu javascript:; with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 15Mar27:1223-0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: But did anyone ever figure out, what OS? TPF, perhaps? The plaque said it's from the Goddard Space Flight Center, which was in building 3/14 and under the Flight Dynamics Directorate, running OS/MVT/ASP IIRC. I had nothing to do with it but I'd seen it a couple times. -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Fri, 27 Mar 2015 11:12:45 -0400, Scott Ford wrote: It's not at 191 it's a s360/195 . (Sigh. I suspect classic car buffs behave likewise: It's not a 1931; it's a 1932!) But did anyone ever figure out, what OS? TPF, perhaps? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Opps, my bad, the search was for a 360/195. Getting old, you say 195, I say 91, Let's Call The Whole Thing Off.. Al Nims Systems Admin/Programmer 3 Information Technology University of Florida (352) 273-1298 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Scott Ford Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 11:13 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Digital? Cloud? Modern And Cost-Effective? Surprise! It's The Mainframe - Forbes It's not at 191 it's a s360/195 . Scott On Friday, March 27, 2015, Nims,Alva John (Al) ajn...@ufl.edu wrote: Several others posted that it looks more like a 360/91 and I concur. Now, when I originally responded, I had done a search on www.ibm.com of 360/191 and it did return a hit for a 360/191, so there must have been a 191 model at some point. Al Nims Systems Admin/Programmer 3 Information Technology University of Florida (352) 273-1298 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU javascript:;] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 8:49 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU javascript:; Subject: Re: OT: Digital? Cloud? Modern And Cost-Effective? Surprise! It's The Mainframe - Forbes In a9ab655a3a844ccd82c04f216c6d0...@exmbxprd01.ad.ufl.edu javascript:;, on 03/26/2015 at 12:48 PM, Nims,Alva John (Al) ajn...@ufl.edu javascript:; said: The picture is not very good though. A google search of 360/195 got a few hits that may support that the ancestor is a 360/19x 19x? The only 3-digit S/360 model was 195. Did you mean 360/9x? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu javascript:; with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu javascript:; with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 2015-03-27 14:16, Tony Harminc wrote: Digital? Cloud? Modern And Cost-Effective? Surprise! On OS/MVT/ASP!? I am truly surprised! Well, be fair; the caption did say an ancestor of the z13. This sad little lizard told me that he was a brontosaurus on his mother’s side. I did not laugh; people who boast of ancestry often have little else to sustain them. Humoring them costs nothing and adds to happiness in a world in which happiness is always in short supply. - Lazarus Long I'm less compassionate; I'd prefer to be told what OS on the z13 serves the Digital Cloud rather than what Goddard/NASA was running on the 360/19z in the previous century. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 27 March 2015 at 15:12, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On 2015-03-27 11:51, David L. Craig wrote: On 15Mar27:1223-0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: But did anyone ever figure out, what OS? TPF, perhaps? The plaque said it's from the Goddard Space Flight Center, which was in building 3/14 and under the Flight Dynamics Directorate, running OS/MVT/ASP IIRC. I had nothing to do with it but I'd seen it a couple times. Digital? Cloud? Modern And Cost-Effective? Surprise! On OS/MVT/ASP!? I am truly surprised! Well, be fair; the caption did say an ancestor of the z13. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 2015-03-27 11:51, David L. Craig wrote: On 15Mar27:1223-0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: But did anyone ever figure out, what OS? TPF, perhaps? The plaque said it's from the Goddard Space Flight Center, which was in building 3/14 and under the Flight Dynamics Directorate, running OS/MVT/ASP IIRC. I had nothing to do with it but I'd seen it a couple times. Digital? Cloud? Modern And Cost-Effective? Surprise! On OS/MVT/ASP!? I am truly surprised! -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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No problem have the same disease ..getting old... On Friday, March 27, 2015, Nims,Alva John (Al) ajn...@ufl.edu wrote: Opps, my bad, the search was for a 360/195. Getting old, you say 195, I say 91, Let's Call The Whole Thing Off.. Al Nims Systems Admin/Programmer 3 Information Technology University of Florida (352) 273-1298 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU javascript:;] On Behalf Of Scott Ford Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 11:13 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU javascript:; Subject: Re: OT: Digital? Cloud? Modern And Cost-Effective? Surprise! It's The Mainframe - Forbes It's not at 191 it's a s360/195 . Scott On Friday, March 27, 2015, Nims,Alva John (Al) ajn...@ufl.edu javascript:; wrote: Several others posted that it looks more like a 360/91 and I concur. Now, when I originally responded, I had done a search on www.ibm.com of 360/191 and it did return a hit for a 360/191, so there must have been a 191 model at some point. Al Nims Systems Admin/Programmer 3 Information Technology University of Florida (352) 273-1298 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU javascript:; javascript:;] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 8:49 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU javascript:; javascript:; Subject: Re: OT: Digital? Cloud? Modern And Cost-Effective? Surprise! It's The Mainframe - Forbes In a9ab655a3a844ccd82c04f216c6d0...@exmbxprd01.ad.ufl.edu javascript:; javascript:;, on 03/26/2015 at 12:48 PM, Nims,Alva John (Al) ajn...@ufl.edu javascript:; javascript:; said: The picture is not very good though. A google search of 360/195 got a few hits that may support that the ancestor is a 360/19x 19x? The only 3-digit S/360 model was 195. Did you mean 360/9x? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu javascript:; javascript:; with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu javascript:; javascript:; with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu javascript:; with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu javascript:; with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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In 0964724ce2194f049dd3ef12ce76c...@exmbxprd01.ad.ufl.edu, on 03/27/2015 at 02:15 PM, Nims,Alva John (Al) ajn...@ufl.edu said: Now, when I originally responded, I had done a search on www.ibm.com of 360/191 and it did return a hit for a 360/191, so there must have been a 191 model at some point. Not one that ever saw the light of day. Read the article that you got a hit on and it almost certainly won't contain 260/191, although it might contain 360 and 191 in different contexts. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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In 20150327175138.GA3765@dlc-dt, on 03/27/2015 at 01:51 PM, David L. Craig dlc@gmail.com said: The plaque said it's from the Goddard Space Flight Center, which was in building 3/14 and under the Flight Dynamics Directorate, My recollection is that they had a 360/91 + 360/75 and that the Goddard Institute for Space Science (GISS) at Courant Institute had a 360/95. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Not only did GISS have a 360/95 (running a special operating system called SSS/360) but also an Amdahl 470V6 running VM/370 R3 with 3 VMs of SSS/360. My first job was production control there. I logged onto my first VM on June 23, 1976. /Tom Kern On 03/27/2015 17:41, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: My recollection is that they had a 360/91 + 360/75 and that the Goddard Institute for Space Science (GISS) at Courant Institute had a 360/95. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Why did they put in a picture of an ancestor of the z13? I'll grant that the old machines really did look a lot more computer-ish than today's pizza box and refridgerator forms. Oh, for the days of spinning tapes and card sorters. [grin]. BTW - what is that a picture of? On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:11 AM, Tom Marchant 000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote: Interesting article about the mainframe in Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbloomberg/2015/03/24/digital-cloud-modern-and-cost-effective-surprise-its-the-mainframe/ tiny'd: http://preview.tinyurl.com/pv3wwz9 -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- If you sent twitter messages while exploring, are you on a textpedition? He's about as useful as a wax frying pan. 10 to the 12th power microphones = 1 Megaphone Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I found: https://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/mainframe/mainframe_PP2195.html The picture is not very good though. A google search of 360/195 got a few hits that may support that the ancestor is a 360/19x Al Nims Systems Admin/Programmer 3 Information Technology University of Florida (352) 273-1298 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Scott Ford Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 8:37 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Digital? Cloud? Modern And Cost-Effective? Surprise! It's The Mainframe - Forbes Yeah, Mike that's what I thought. Heard of a s360/195 had never seen one. Regards, Scott On Thursday, March 26, 2015, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com wrote: S/360. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:38 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: Why did they put in a picture of an ancestor of the z13? I'll grant that the old machines really did look a lot more computer-ish than today's pizza box and refridgerator forms. Oh, for the days of spinning tapes and card sorters. [grin]. BTW - what is that a picture of? On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:11 AM, Tom Marchant 000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu javascript:; wrote: Interesting article about the mainframe in Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbloomberg/2015/03/24/digital-cloud-mo dern-and-cost-effective-surprise-its-the-mainframe/ tiny'd: http://preview.tinyurl.com/pv3wwz9 -- Tom Marchant --- --- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu javascript:; with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- If you sent twitter messages while exploring, are you on a textpedition? He's about as useful as a wax frying pan. 10 to the 12th power microphones = 1 Megaphone Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu javascript:; with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu javascript:; with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_System/360#/media/File:IBM_System_360-30_front_panel.agr.jpg On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com wrote: S/360. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:38 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com wrote: Why did they put in a picture of an ancestor of the z13? I'll grant that the old machines really did look a lot more computer-ish than today's pizza box and refridgerator forms. Oh, for the days of spinning tapes and card sorters. [grin]. BTW - what is that a picture of? On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:11 AM, Tom Marchant 000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote: Interesting article about the mainframe in Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbloomberg/2015/03/24/digital-cloud-modern-and-cost-effective-surprise-its-the-mainframe/ tiny'd: http://preview.tinyurl.com/pv3wwz9 -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- If you sent twitter messages while exploring, are you on a textpedition? He's about as useful as a wax frying pan. 10 to the 12th power microphones = 1 Megaphone Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I've called this author out before on another article of his on Forbes about 4 months. His response was: I enjoy posting photos of important technology of the past to give readers some context. But in truth, I simply think photos of old technology are cool! Thanks, Mark Regan USNR-Ret. [1969-1991, CTO1] K8MTR From: John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 7:38 AM Subject: Re: OT: Digital? Cloud? Modern And Cost-Effective? Surprise! It's The Mainframe - Forbes Why did they put in a picture of an ancestor of the z13? I'll grant that the old machines really did look a lot more computer-ish than today's pizza box and refridgerator forms. Oh, for the days of spinning tapes and card sorters. [grin]. BTW - what is that a picture of? On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:11 AM, Tom Marchant 000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote: Interesting article about the mainframe in Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbloomberg/2015/03/24/digital-cloud-modern-and-cost-effective-surprise-its-the-mainframe/ tiny'd: http://preview.tinyurl.com/pv3wwz9 -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- If you sent twitter messages while exploring, are you on a textpedition? He's about as useful as a wax frying pan. 10 to the 12th power microphones = 1 Megaphone Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Yeah, Mike that's what I thought. Heard of a s360/195 had never seen one. Regards, Scott On Thursday, March 26, 2015, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com wrote: S/360. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:38 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: Why did they put in a picture of an ancestor of the z13? I'll grant that the old machines really did look a lot more computer-ish than today's pizza box and refridgerator forms. Oh, for the days of spinning tapes and card sorters. [grin]. BTW - what is that a picture of? On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:11 AM, Tom Marchant 000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu javascript:; wrote: Interesting article about the mainframe in Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbloomberg/2015/03/24/digital-cloud-modern-and-cost-effective-surprise-its-the-mainframe/ tiny'd: http://preview.tinyurl.com/pv3wwz9 -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu javascript:; with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- If you sent twitter messages while exploring, are you on a textpedition? He's about as useful as a wax frying pan. 10 to the 12th power microphones = 1 Megaphone Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu javascript:; with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu javascript:; with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Start at that link and click a few times on the right arrow and get to the Model 91 and I think we have our answer or: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_System/360#/media/File:IBM_System_36091.sj.jpg Al Nims Systems Admin/Programmer 3 Information Technology University of Florida (352) 273-1298 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike Schwab Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 8:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Digital? Cloud? Modern And Cost-Effective? Surprise! It's The Mainframe - Forbes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_System/360#/media/File:IBM_System_360-30_front_panel.agr.jpg On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com wrote: S/360. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:38 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com wrote: Why did they put in a picture of an ancestor of the z13? I'll grant that the old machines really did look a lot more computer-ish than today's pizza box and refridgerator forms. Oh, for the days of spinning tapes and card sorters. [grin]. BTW - what is that a picture of? On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:11 AM, Tom Marchant 000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote: Interesting article about the mainframe in Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbloomberg/2015/03/24/digital-cloud- modern-and-cost-effective-surprise-its-the-mainframe/ tiny'd: http://preview.tinyurl.com/pv3wwz9 -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- If you sent twitter messages while exploring, are you on a textpedition? He's about as useful as a wax frying pan. 10 to the 12th power microphones = 1 Megaphone Maranatha! John McKown - - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 12:17:11 -0400, David L. Craig wrote: On 15Mar26:0928-0500, Norbert Friemel wrote: S/360 Model 91 Higher resolutions @ https://www.flickr.com/photos/epitti/2371701458/sizes/l/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/epitti/2370869637/sizes/l/in/photostream/ Inquiring minds want to know: where's the Emergency Pull? The 155 had that. -- Power Panel (Figure 10 / 11) http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/360/funcChar/GA22-6907-3_360_91_Func_Char_Nov71.pdf Norbert Friemel -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 15Mar26:0928-0500, Norbert Friemel wrote: S/360 Model 91 Higher resolutions @ https://www.flickr.com/photos/epitti/2371701458/sizes/l/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/epitti/2370869637/sizes/l/in/photostream/ Inquiring minds want to know: where's the Emergency Pull? The 155 had that. -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 06:38:12 -0500, John McKown wrote: Why did they put in a picture of an ancestor of the z13? I'll grant that the old machines really did look a lot more computer-ish than today's pizza box and refridgerator forms. Oh, for the days of spinning tapes and card sorters. [grin]. BTW - what is that a picture of? On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:11 AM, Tom Marchant wrote: Interesting article about the mainframe in Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbloomberg/2015/03/24/digital-cloud-modern-and-cost-effective-surprise-its-the-mainframe/ tiny'd: http://preview.tinyurl.com/pv3wwz9 Do they say what OS? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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In a9ab655a3a844ccd82c04f216c6d0...@exmbxprd01.ad.ufl.edu, on 03/26/2015 at 12:48 PM, Nims,Alva John (Al) ajn...@ufl.edu said: The picture is not very good though. A google search of 360/195 got a few hits that may support that the ancestor is a 360/19x 19x? The only 3-digit S/360 model was 195. Did you mean 360/9x? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OT: Digital? Cloud? Modern And Cost-Effective? Surprise! It's The Mainframe - Forbes
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 06:38:12 -0500, John McKown wrote: Why did they put in a picture of an ancestor of the z13? I'll grant that the old machines really did look a lot more computer-ish than today's pizza box and refridgerator forms. Oh, for the days of spinning tapes and card sorters. [grin]. BTW - what is that a picture of? S/360 Model 91 Higher resolutions @ https://www.flickr.com/photos/epitti/2371701458/sizes/l/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/epitti/2370869637/sizes/l/in/photostream/ Norbert Friemel On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:11 AM, Tom Marchant 000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote: Interesting article about the mainframe in Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbloomberg/2015/03/24/digital-cloud-modern-and-cost-effective-surprise-its-the-mainframe/ tiny'd: http://preview.tinyurl.com/pv3wwz9 -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
