Re: Online manuals for 3880-21, 3880-23, 3990, 2105 et al?

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In
<8285047530401296.wa.elardus.engelbrechtsita.co...@listserv.ua.edu>,
on 12/04/2015
   at 07:40 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht 
said:

>No links, but I see you got a good reply about a bitsavers link.

Only one manual there, in two editions.


>I still have bookmanager books for 3990. See this list of ancient
>bookies:
>Book Name   Book Title   
>ANTGAR00Advanced Copy Services   
>A13R1001IBM 3990 Storage Control Reference   
>A13U40003990 TPF Support RPQs
>A13I10053990/9390 Introduction   
>A13U50033990/9390 Operations and Recovery Guide  
>A13U10043990/9390 Planning, Installation, and Storage Adminis
>A13R20053990/9390 Reference  
>You want them, just shout, I can send them to you for free.

If you could mail a CD or put them on an FTP seerver, that would be
great. My Internet access is dial, so e-mail is not an option. Thanks.
 
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Re: Online manuals for 3880-21, 3880-23, 3990, 2105 et al?

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <4973200255008345.wa.robert.harrisonomes.ok@listserv.ua.edu>,
on 12/04/2015
   at 02:27 PM, Robert Harrison  said:

>http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/Shelves/EZ2HW125

Thanks; that has a lot of what I need.
 
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Re: Online manuals for 3880-21, 3880-23, 3990, 2105 et al?

[Jantje.]

On Thu, 3 Dec 2015 14:44:36 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) 
 wrote:

>Dooes anybody have links for online manuals for DASD controllers
>starting with
>
>3880-21
>3880-23
>3990
>2105

is http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/ibm/38xx/3880/ 
any help?

Cheers,

Jantje.

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Re: Online manuals for 3880-21, 3880-23, 3990, 2105 et al?

[R.S.]

Do you mean 2105 or ESS Shark?
None of them introduced 1024 devs per box.

The relief was intruduced "architecturally" with the ESCON and 
implemented in earlier DASD boxes like Ramac RVA (can't remember model, 
it was higher than T82), Tetragon 2100 aka HDS Freedom 7700E and others.


The trick was usage of CUADD - something similar to LPAR from host side.
ESCON CU supported up to 16 CUADD => 16x256 devices => 4096 devices per 
box (some workarounds were possible -- single DASD box can be defined as 
more than one CU).
FICON extended it to 256 CUADD => 256x256 => 64k devices which is the 
limit for HCD ...unless you define 3390Aliases in SS1 (or SS2...).


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W dniu 2015-12-04 o 15:14, Ed Finnell pisze:

It was the jump from 256 to 1024 and four digit UCB's among other  niceties.
  
  
In a message dated 12/4/2015 8:01:16 A.M. Central Standard Time,

elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za writes:

I know  that thing by the name of ESS or Shark, but never realised it is
2105...



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Re: Online manuals for 3880-21, 3880-23, 3990, 2105 et al?

[Richards, Robert B.]

The IBM Enterprise Storage Server (ESS) more commonly known as a "SHARK".

Bob

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Subject: Re: Online manuals for 3880-21, 3880-23, 3990, 2105 et al?

Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:

>Dooes anybody have links for online manuals for DASD controllers starting with
>3880-21
>3880-23
>3990
>2105

No links, but I see you got a good reply about a bitsavers link. And there are 
indeed some good scanned-in 3880 books there.

I still have bookmanager books for 3990. See this list of ancient bookies:

Book Name   Book Title   
ANTGAR00Advanced Copy Services   
A13R1001IBM 3990 Storage Control Reference   
A13U40003990 TPF Support RPQs
A13I10053990/9390 Introduction   
A13U50033990/9390 Operations and Recovery Guide  
A13U10043990/9390 Planning, Installation, and Storage Adminis
A13R20053990/9390 Reference  

You want them, just shout, I can send them to you for free.

Also I have discovered some bookies for 3890, (hmmm, long time ago I browsed 
them) but that is not what you want...

Uhm, what is a 2105? It is unfamiliar to me or I forgot about that...

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: Online manuals for 3880-21, 3880-23, 3990, 2105 et al?

[Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM]

We indeed received real size (0.5 meter or so) black plastic shark fins, to put 
on top of the boxes.

Kees.

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Subject: Re: Online manuals for 3880-21, 3880-23, 3990, 2105 et al?

Fins on the left, fins on the rightwe got Hula girls tonight. Sorry too 
 much Margaritaville.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Enterprise_Storage_Server
 
 
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Uhm,  what is a 2105? It is unfamiliar to me or I forgot about  that...

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Re: Online manuals for 3880-21, 3880-23, 3990, 2105 et al?

[Elardus Engelbrecht]

Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:

>Dooes anybody have links for online manuals for DASD controllers starting with
>3880-21
>3880-23
>3990
>2105

No links, but I see you got a good reply about a bitsavers link. And there are 
indeed some good scanned-in 3880 books there.

I still have bookmanager books for 3990. See this list of ancient bookies:

Book Name   Book Title   
ANTGAR00Advanced Copy Services   
A13R1001IBM 3990 Storage Control Reference   
A13U40003990 TPF Support RPQs
A13I10053990/9390 Introduction   
A13U50033990/9390 Operations and Recovery Guide  
A13U10043990/9390 Planning, Installation, and Storage Adminis
A13R20053990/9390 Reference  

You want them, just shout, I can send them to you for free.

Also I have discovered some bookies for 3890, (hmmm, long time ago I browsed 
them) but that is not what you want...

Uhm, what is a 2105? It is unfamiliar to me or I forgot about that...

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: Online manuals for 3880-21, 3880-23, 3990, 2105 et al?

[Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM]

The 2105 is the ESS or Shark as it was introduced. 
Superseded by the DS8000.

Kees.

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Sent: 04 December, 2015 14:40
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Online manuals for 3880-21, 3880-23, 3990, 2105 et al?

Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:

>Dooes anybody have links for online manuals for DASD controllers starting with
>3880-21
>3880-23
>3990
>2105

No links, but I see you got a good reply about a bitsavers link. And there are 
indeed some good scanned-in 3880 books there.

I still have bookmanager books for 3990. See this list of ancient bookies:

Book Name   Book Title   
ANTGAR00Advanced Copy Services   
A13R1001IBM 3990 Storage Control Reference   
A13U40003990 TPF Support RPQs
A13I10053990/9390 Introduction   
A13U50033990/9390 Operations and Recovery Guide  
A13U10043990/9390 Planning, Installation, and Storage Adminis
A13R20053990/9390 Reference  

You want them, just shout, I can send them to you for free.

Also I have discovered some bookies for 3890, (hmmm, long time ago I browsed 
them) but that is not what you want...

Uhm, what is a 2105? It is unfamiliar to me or I forgot about that...

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: Online manuals for 3880-21, 3880-23, 3990, 2105 et al?

[Ed Finnell]

Fins on the left, fins on the rightwe got Hula girls tonight. Sorry too 
 much Margaritaville.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Enterprise_Storage_Server
 
 
In a message dated 12/4/2015 7:40:22 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za writes:

Uhm,  what is a 2105? It is unfamiliar to me or I forgot about  that...

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Re: Online manuals for 3880-21, 3880-23, 3990, 2105 et al?

[Elardus Engelbrecht]

Uhh, thanks to all to tell this shark the real truth...

I know that thing by the name of ESS or Shark, but never realised it is 2105...

 showing off my decaying brain ...

(One thing is good about being old - oldies have fewer brain cells to use, care 
and worry about...)

Thanks again!

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: Online manuals for 3880-21, 3880-23, 3990, 2105 et al?

[Ed Finnell]

It was the jump from 256 to 1024 and four digit UCB's among other  niceties.
 
 
In a message dated 12/4/2015 8:01:16 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za writes:

I know  that thing by the name of ESS or Shark, but never realised it is  
2105...



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Re: Online manuals for 3880-21, 3880-23, 3990, 2105 et al?

[Ed Gould]

On Dec 4, 2015, at 9:08 AM, R.S. wrote:


Do you mean 2105 or ESS Shark?
None of them introduced 1024 devs per box.

The relief was intruduced "architecturally" with the ESCON and  
implemented in earlier DASD boxes like Ramac RVA (can't remember  
model, it was higher than T82), Tetragon 2100 aka HDS Freedom 7700E  
and others.


The trick was usage of CUADD - something similar to LPAR from host  
side.
ESCON CU supported up to 16 CUADD => 16x256 devices => 4096 devices  
per box (some workarounds were possible -- single DASD box can be  
defined as more than one CU).
FICON extended it to 256 CUADD => 256x256 => 64k devices which is  
the limit for HCD ...unless you define 3390Aliases in SS1 (or SS2...).


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Back in the 70's (early) we had a limit of somewhere around 1600  
(sorry exact number is foggy) devices on MVS.
In our case we were top heavy in the number of 3270's (local). When  
IBM introduced the 3274-1A (1 UCB 32 devices)  we couldn't migrate  
off of the 1D (local 3274's) fast enough. We had to keep some 1D's  
for consoles though.

It allowed us to get the 3850 and the scads of DASD that it needed.

Ed

ps: We had hundreds of people doing data entry on he 3270's

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Re: Online manuals for 3880-21, 3880-23, 3990, 2105 et al?

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <5810852063744464.wa.jan.moeyersonsgfi...@listserv.ua.edu>, on
12/04/2015
   at 05:20 AM, "Jantje."  said:

>is http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/ibm/38xx/3880/ 
>any help?

No. that only has the manual for the 3889-1, 2, 3 and 4. I've got the
mamuals for 3880-11 and 3880-13, but not from bitsavers. What I need
is the stuff newer than that.
 
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Re: Online manuals for 3880-21, 3880-23, 3990, 2105 et al?

[Robert Harrison]

IBM has some "IBM EnterPrise Storage Server" books at 
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/Shelves/EZ2HW125

There is also a smattering of the 3990 manuals there.

Robert Harrison
State of Oklahoma
Office of Management and Enterprise Services.

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Re: Online manuals for 3880-21, 3880-23, 3990, 2105 et al?

[Mike Schwab]

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Ed Gould  wrote:
>
> Back in the 70's (early) we had a limit of somewhere around 1600 (sorry
> exact number is foggy) devices on MVS.
> In our case we were top heavy in the number of 3270's (local). When IBM
> introduced the 3274-1A (1 UCB 32 devices)  we couldn't migrate off of the 1D
> (local 3274's) fast enough. We had to keep some 1D's for consoles though.
> It allowed us to get the 3850 and the scads of DASD that it needed.
>
> Ed
>
> ps: We had hundreds of people doing data entry on he 3270's
>
000-5FF, 6 * 256 = 1536.
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