Re: Reader Comment on SA22-7832-08 (PoPS), should I?
In caajsdji8sruxatn6ccrjjbyvh1epzzrakjyeeyjermpdsbf...@mail.gmail.com, on 06/27/2013 at 10:48 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said: I am wondering if anybody else has the same problem that I have with how the Principles of Operation, in PDF format, is laid out. Basically, in today's electronic world, why is this publication still formatted in two columns? On my normal PC, in portrait mode, Aren't most people these days using landscape, due to the influence of HDTV? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Reader Comment on SA22-7832-08 (PoPS), should I?
Not everyone. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 6:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Reader Comment on SA22-7832-08 (PoPS), should I? In caajsdji8sruxatn6ccrjjbyvh1epzzrakjyeeyjermpdsbf...@mail.gmail.com, on 06/27/2013 at 10:48 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said: I am wondering if anybody else has the same problem that I have with how the Principles of Operation, in PDF format, is laid out. Basically, in today's electronic world, why is this publication still formatted in two columns? On my normal PC, in portrait mode, Aren't most people these days using landscape, due to the influence of HDTV? -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Reader Comment on SA22-7832-08 (PoPS), should I?
My bad. I should have said landscape, not portrait. It has been a very bad week. Lack of sleep due to a sick dog. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: In caajsdji8sruxatn6ccrjjbyvh1epzzrakjyeeyjermpdsbf...@mail.gmail.com, on 06/27/2013 at 10:48 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said: I am wondering if anybody else has the same problem that I have with how the Principles of Operation, in PDF format, is laid out. Basically, in today's electronic world, why is this publication still formatted in two columns? On my normal PC, in portrait mode, Aren't most people these days using landscape, due to the influence of HDTV? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- This is a test of the Emergency Broadcast System. If this had been an actual emergency, do you really think we'd stick around to tell you? Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Reader Comment on SA22-7832-08 (PoPS), should I?
Yes, but with a large zoom you can't see bottom of one column and the top of the other. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 6:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Reader Comment on SA22-7832-08 (PoPS), should I? In caajsdji8sruxatn6ccrjjbyvh1epzzrakjyeeyjermpdsbf...@mail.gmail.com , on 06/27/2013 at 10:48 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said: I am wondering if anybody else has the same problem that I have with how the Principles of Operation, in PDF format, is laid out. Basically, in today's electronic world, why is this publication still formatted in two columns? On my normal PC, in portrait mode, Aren't most people these days using landscape, due to the influence of HDTV? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Reader Comment on SA22-7832-08 (PoPS), should I?
I could picture a very 21st century, electronic PoP that presented an index to the detailed descriptions in the form of a table that could be sorted on name, on mnemonic, on hex opcode, etc. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 8:49 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Reader Comment on SA22-7832-08 (PoPS), should I? I am wondering if anybody else has the same problem that I have with how the Principles of Operation, in PDF format, is laid out. Basically, in today's electronic world, why is this publication still formatted in two columns? On my normal PC, in portrait mode, I must either view an entire page at a time (which even on my 27 monitor makes the characters a bit small), or I must pgdn, then pgup to read the second column. And even when I view the entire page on a single screen, the jump from the bottom of column 1 to the top of column 2 is irritating. Would it be worth while to tell IBM that the document would be much more readable if it were like the other manuals; having only one column of text, except perhaps for tables? I wonder if it would be worth my while to try to OCR the PDF to create something that I could import into a true DTP program (and I'm not talking MS Word! Perhaps LaTex). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Reader Comment on SA22-7832-08 (PoPS), should I?
charl...@mcn.org (Charles Mills) writes: I could picture a very 21st century, electronic PoP that presented an index to the detailed descriptions in the form of a table that could be sorted on name, on mnemonic, on hex opcode, etc. triva ... PoPs was one of first major IBM pub to move to CMS script. CTSS runoff had been ported to CMS script at the science center in the mid-60s ... then in 1969, GML was invented at the science center and GML tag processing added to script. Issue for PoPs. was that it was subset of the architecture redbook (for distribution in red 3-ring binder). File had conditional directives and CMS script command line options would output either full redbook or the Pops subset (i.e. whole sections that were architecture only and each instruction might have architecture and/or engineering notes about trade-offs, implementation issues, etc). I never did PoPs ... but did help with ios3270 greedcard ... a qd to HTML here http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/gcard.html Over 30yrs ago, I did do a rex replacement for IPCS (at a time when it was huge amount of assembler) ... my original object was in less than half time over 3months ... re-implement IPCS with ten times the function and ten times the performance (little slight of hand going from assembler to rex). For this, I did do the problem determination and abend code manual ... converting it to fully index, with (dumprx) being able to pick pieces from the manual on the fly. ... misc. past posts mentioning dumprx http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#dumpx dumprx rex could be run either by itself or within xedit ... so had full capability of xedit to operate. -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Reader Comment on SA22-7832-08 (PoPS), should I?
many of the redbooks now supply epub format - And yes, I still miss bookmanager. Mike On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.comwrote: On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 10:48:57 -0500, John McKown wrote: why is this publication [Principles of Operation] still formatted in two columns? I find that annoying too. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Reader Comment on SA22-7832-08 (PoPS), should I?
On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 10:48:57 -0500, John McKown wrote: why is this publication [Principles of Operation] still formatted in two columns? I find that annoying too. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Reader Comment on SA22-7832-08 (PoPS), should I?
On 27 June 2013 11:48, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com wrote: Would it be worth while to tell IBM that the document would be much more readable if it were like the other manuals; having only one column of text, except perhaps for tables? I have had nothing but good results from my RCFs to the PrOps over the years. Those have all been regarding technical matters rather than formatting, but by all means do send in your comments. I'm sure they will be quite receptive. I wonder if it would be worth my while to try to OCR the PDF to create something that I could import into a true DTP program (and I'm not talking MS Word! Perhaps LaTex). OCRing shouldn't be necessary. The PDF contains the text already (as evidenced by the correct working of the find function) and should be editable in any PDF editor. There are no security flags set that would prevent this, but I don't know what the copyright implications of doing so might be. This is almost certainly not the right forum to get into (yet another, usually ill-informed) discussion of the copyright laws. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Reader Comment on SA22-7832-08 (PoPS), should I?
During the Test under Mask thread I was moved to consult this bible for the first time in ages. Dual column format is a major PITA. Took me twice as long to chase the bouncing ball. Totally unwarranted in the age of online browsing. . . JO.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com From: Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU, Date: 06/27/2013 09:53 AM Subject:Re: Reader Comment on SA22-7832-08 (PoPS), should I? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On 27 June 2013 11:48, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com wrote: Would it be worth while to tell IBM that the document would be much more readable if it were like the other manuals; having only one column of text, except perhaps for tables? I have had nothing but good results from my RCFs to the PrOps over the years. Those have all been regarding technical matters rather than formatting, but by all means do send in your comments. I'm sure they will be quite receptive. I wonder if it would be worth my while to try to OCR the PDF to create something that I could import into a true DTP program (and I'm not talking MS Word! Perhaps LaTex). OCRing shouldn't be necessary. The PDF contains the text already (as evidenced by the correct working of the find function) and should be editable in any PDF editor. There are no security flags set that would prevent this, but I don't know what the copyright implications of doing so might be. This is almost certainly not the right forum to get into (yet another, usually ill-informed) discussion of the copyright laws. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Reader Comment on SA22-7832-08 (PoPS), should I?
Well, I've send an email off to IBM. We shall see. I've found that pdftotext on my Linux system will extract the text. I'll may see if I can use this to make a LaTex document which I will then reformat into an epub for personal use only. Wish I could then share that, but I regard that as a violation of Copyright and don't want the IBM lawyers after me grin/. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Skip Robinson jo.skip.robin...@sce.comwrote: During the Test under Mask thread I was moved to consult this bible for the first time in ages. Dual column format is a major PITA. Took me twice as long to chase the bouncing ball. Totally unwarranted in the age of online browsing. . . JO.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com From: Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU, Date: 06/27/2013 09:53 AM Subject:Re: Reader Comment on SA22-7832-08 (PoPS), should I? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On 27 June 2013 11:48, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com wrote: Would it be worth while to tell IBM that the document would be much more readable if it were like the other manuals; having only one column of text, except perhaps for tables? I have had nothing but good results from my RCFs to the PrOps over the years. Those have all been regarding technical matters rather than formatting, but by all means do send in your comments. I'm sure they will be quite receptive. I wonder if it would be worth my while to try to OCR the PDF to create something that I could import into a true DTP program (and I'm not talking MS Word! Perhaps LaTex). OCRing shouldn't be necessary. The PDF contains the text already (as evidenced by the correct working of the find function) and should be editable in any PDF editor. There are no security flags set that would prevent this, but I don't know what the copyright implications of doing so might be. This is almost certainly not the right forum to get into (yet another, usually ill-informed) discussion of the copyright laws. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- This is a test of the Emergency Broadcast System. If this had been an actual emergency, do you really think we'd stick around to tell you? Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Reader Comment on SA22-7832-08 (PoPS), should I?
IBM still has a lot of manuals in two column format. I've put up with that format for years. I would be much happier with one column. Don -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 12:13 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Reader Comment on SA22-7832-08 (PoPS), should I? On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 10:48:57 -0500, John McKown wrote: why is this publication [Principles of Operation] still formatted in two columns? I find that annoying too. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
