Re: SMP/E JCLIN processing for job updates
FYI again.. perhaps a little closer Vickie Dault Spahn eMail: vickie_da...@triserv.com Cell (916) 792-7720 Alternate Cellphone (916) 792-7850 Web: www.triserv.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Giannelli Sent: Friday, April 21, 2023 11:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SMP/E JCLIN processing for job updates Hi Dave, Thanks for the response. No I am not editing the target data directly. We are working out of a pds separate from SMPe libraries. The user mod looks like what I'm after. I will look into that.. On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 13:37:15 -0500, Dave Jousma wrote: >On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 13:10:19 -0500, Bill Giannelli >wrote: > >>various jobs for Db2 software maintenance, such as DSNTIJUZ DSNTIJUA DSNTIJRT. >>Bill >>On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 10:19:07 -0500, Dave Jousma wrote: >> >>>On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 06:36:40 -0500, Bill Giannelli >>>wrote: >>> > >So, those are DB2 jobs. So what that tells me is that you might be editing >and using the SMPE target data, vs copying the JCL out to another library to >use? If so, that’s really a no-no. But if you want to make your changes >properly to that dataset so that SMPE knows about the changes, you would >create a USERMOD to replace the JCL with your customized JCL after merging in >any changes made by the maintenance. A USERMOD will then tell you when a PTF >will overwrite the JCL, and will be the signal to 1) remove your usermod and >apply the PTF, and 2) re-work your usermod, and re-apply it. > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send >email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SMP/E JCLIN processing for job updates
Hi Dave, Thanks for the response. No I am not editing the target data directly. We are working out of a pds separate from SMPe libraries. The user mod looks like what I'm after. I will look into that.. On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 13:37:15 -0500, Dave Jousma wrote: >On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 13:10:19 -0500, Bill Giannelli >wrote: > >>various jobs for Db2 software maintenance, such as DSNTIJUZ DSNTIJUA DSNTIJRT. >>Bill >>On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 10:19:07 -0500, Dave Jousma wrote: >> >>>On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 06:36:40 -0500, Bill Giannelli >>>wrote: >>> > >So, those are DB2 jobs. So what that tells me is that you might be editing >and using the SMPE target data, vs copying the JCL out to another library to >use? If so, that’s really a no-no. But if you want to make your changes >properly to that dataset so that SMPE knows about the changes, you would >create a USERMOD to replace the JCL with your customized JCL after merging in >any changes made by the maintenance. A USERMOD will then tell you when a PTF >will overwrite the JCL, and will be the signal to 1) remove your usermod and >apply the PTF, and 2) re-work your usermod, and re-apply it. > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SMP/E JCLIN processing for job updates
On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 13:10:19 -0500, Bill Giannelli wrote: >various jobs for Db2 software maintenance, such as DSNTIJUZ DSNTIJUA DSNTIJRT. >Bill >On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 10:19:07 -0500, Dave Jousma wrote: > >>On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 06:36:40 -0500, Bill Giannelli >>wrote: >> So, those are DB2 jobs. So what that tells me is that you might be editing and using the SMPE target data, vs copying the JCL out to another library to use? If so, that’s really a no-no. But if you want to make your changes properly to that dataset so that SMPE knows about the changes, you would create a USERMOD to replace the JCL with your customized JCL after merging in any changes made by the maintenance. A USERMOD will then tell you when a PTF will overwrite the JCL, and will be the signal to 1) remove your usermod and apply the PTF, and 2) re-work your usermod, and re-apply it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SMP/E JCLIN processing for job updates
various jobs for Db2 software maintenance, such as DSNTIJUZ DSNTIJUA DSNTIJRT. Bill On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 10:19:07 -0500, Dave Jousma wrote: >On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 06:36:40 -0500, Bill Giannelli >wrote: > >>Do many of you out there use SMP/E JCLIN processing to track and save job >>updates? >>Currently we do not make use of this and manually keep JCL up to date. >>It seems there is a value to have SMPe ke >> > >Bill, > >No one has asked yet, but I'm curious what JCL specifically, you are talking >about, and needing to keep up to date? > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SMP/E JCLIN processing for job updates
But to be clear, this all has nothing to do with (mentioned) JCLIN processing, right? On 4/21/2023 8:51 AM, David Spiegel wrote: Hi Bill, You could treat JCL (with line numbers on) as a ++MAC in SMP. Each "PTF" (++MACUPD) could be IEBUPDTE Control cards (e.g. ./ CHANGE followed by numbered "cards". Regards, David On 2023-04-21 08:51, Bill Giannelli wrote: SCLM seems geared towards COBOL and PLI not JCL? On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 22:18:52 +1000, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: Bill, If SCLM is installed there is a sample project you can work from. That should be a good starter. There is a set of JCL members to set up a project, use that as a basis. Any questions, just keep asking away. On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 9:57 PM Bill Giannelli wrote: Hi Wayne, I see SCLM now in ISPF. I wasnt aware of it. Is the IBM online doc good enough for a SCLM newbie? thanks Bill On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 06:48:00 -0500, Bill Giannelli < billgianne...@gmail.com> wrote: hi wayne, what is SCLM? On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 21:43:25 +1000, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: I would use SCLM if you don't have another source management tool. On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 9:37 PM Bill Giannelli wrote: Do many of you out there use SMP/E JCLIN processing to track and save job updates? Currently we do not make use of this and manually keep JCL up to date. It seems there is a value to have SMPe ke -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Wayne V. Bickerdike -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Wayne V. Bickerdike -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SMP/E JCLIN processing for job updates
Hi Bill, You could treat JCL (with line numbers on) as a ++MAC in SMP. Each "PTF" (++MACUPD) could be IEBUPDTE Control cards (e.g. ./ CHANGE followed by numbered "cards". Regards, David On 2023-04-21 08:51, Bill Giannelli wrote: SCLM seems geared towards COBOL and PLI not JCL? On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 22:18:52 +1000, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: Bill, If SCLM is installed there is a sample project you can work from. That should be a good starter. There is a set of JCL members to set up a project, use that as a basis. Any questions, just keep asking away. On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 9:57 PM Bill Giannelli wrote: Hi Wayne, I see SCLM now in ISPF. I wasnt aware of it. Is the IBM online doc good enough for a SCLM newbie? thanks Bill On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 06:48:00 -0500, Bill Giannelli < billgianne...@gmail.com> wrote: hi wayne, what is SCLM? On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 21:43:25 +1000, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: I would use SCLM if you don't have another source management tool. On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 9:37 PM Bill Giannelli wrote: Do many of you out there use SMP/E JCLIN processing to track and save job updates? Currently we do not make use of this and manually keep JCL up to date. It seems there is a value to have SMPe ke -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Wayne V. Bickerdike -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Wayne V. Bickerdike -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SMP/E JCLIN processing for job updates
On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 06:36:40 -0500, Bill Giannelli wrote: >Do many of you out there use SMP/E JCLIN processing to track and save job >updates? >Currently we do not make use of this and manually keep JCL up to date. >It seems there is a value to have SMPe ke > Bill, No one has asked yet, but I'm curious what JCL specifically, you are talking about, and needing to keep up to date? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SMP/E JCLIN processing for job updates
SCLM has been functionality stabilized for many years now - I would suggest trying to find another alternative. Perhaps use Git for z/OS ? You could maintain the master JCL in zFS directories under Git control with a "deployment" method to copy to run-time PDS/Es. There is also Lionel Dyke's "zigi" tool that might be of interest. Rob Scott Rocket Software -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Giannelli Sent: 21 April 2023 12:57 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SMP/E JCLIN processing for job updates EXTERNAL EMAIL Hi Wayne, I see SCLM now in ISPF. I wasnt aware of it. Is the IBM online doc good enough for a SCLM newbie? thanks Bill On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 06:48:00 -0500, Bill Giannelli wrote: >hi wayne, >what is SCLM? >On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 21:43:25 +1000, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: > >>I would use SCLM if you don't have another source management tool. >> >>On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 9:37 PM Bill Giannelli >> >>wrote: >> >>> Do many of you out there use SMP/E JCLIN processing to track and >>> save job updates? >>> Currently we do not make use of this and manually keep JCL up to date. >>> It seems there is a value to have SMPe ke >>> >>> >>> -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO >>> IBM-MAIN >>> >> >> >>-- >>Wayne V. Bickerdike >> >>-- >>For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send >>email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send >email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Rocket Software, Inc. and subsidiaries ■ 77 Fourth Avenue, Waltham MA 02451 ■ Main Office Toll Free Number: +1 855.577.4323 Contact Customer Support: https://my.rocketsoftware.com/RocketCommunity/RCEmailSupport Unsubscribe from Marketing Messages/Manage Your Subscription Preferences - http://www.rocketsoftware.com/manage-your-email-preferences Privacy Policy - http://www.rocketsoftware.com/company/legal/privacy-policy This communication and any attachments may contain confidential information of Rocket Software, Inc. All unauthorized use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify Rocket Software immediately and destroy all copies of this communication. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SMP/E JCLIN processing for job updates
SCLM seems geared towards COBOL and PLI not JCL? On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 22:18:52 +1000, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: >Bill, > >If SCLM is installed there is a sample project you can work from. That >should be a good starter. > >There is a set of JCL members to set up a project, use that as a basis. > >Any questions, just keep asking away. > >On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 9:57 PM Bill Giannelli >wrote: > >> Hi Wayne, >> I see SCLM now in ISPF. I wasnt aware of it. >> Is the IBM online doc good enough for a SCLM newbie? >> thanks >> Bill >> On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 06:48:00 -0500, Bill Giannelli < >> billgianne...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >hi wayne, >> >what is SCLM? >> >On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 21:43:25 +1000, Wayne Bickerdike >> wrote: >> > >> >>I would use SCLM if you don't have another source management tool. >> >> >> >>On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 9:37 PM Bill Giannelli >> >>wrote: >> >> >> >>> Do many of you out there use SMP/E JCLIN processing to track and save >> job >> >>> updates? >> >>> Currently we do not make use of this and manually keep JCL up to date. >> >>> It seems there is a value to have SMPe ke >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> >>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>-- >> >>Wayne V. Bickerdike >> >> >> >>-- >> >>For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> >>send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > >> >-- >> >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > > >-- >Wayne V. Bickerdike > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SMP/E JCLIN processing for job updates
Bill, If SCLM is installed there is a sample project you can work from. That should be a good starter. There is a set of JCL members to set up a project, use that as a basis. Any questions, just keep asking away. On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 9:57 PM Bill Giannelli wrote: > Hi Wayne, > I see SCLM now in ISPF. I wasnt aware of it. > Is the IBM online doc good enough for a SCLM newbie? > thanks > Bill > On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 06:48:00 -0500, Bill Giannelli < > billgianne...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >hi wayne, > >what is SCLM? > >On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 21:43:25 +1000, Wayne Bickerdike > wrote: > > > >>I would use SCLM if you don't have another source management tool. > >> > >>On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 9:37 PM Bill Giannelli > >>wrote: > >> > >>> Do many of you out there use SMP/E JCLIN processing to track and save > job > >>> updates? > >>> Currently we do not make use of this and manually keep JCL up to date. > >>> It seems there is a value to have SMPe ke > >>> > >>> -- > >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > >>> > >> > >> > >>-- > >>Wayne V. Bickerdike > >> > >>-- > >>For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >>send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > >-- > >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Wayne V. Bickerdike -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SMP/E JCLIN processing for job updates
Hi Wayne, I see SCLM now in ISPF. I wasnt aware of it. Is the IBM online doc good enough for a SCLM newbie? thanks Bill On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 06:48:00 -0500, Bill Giannelli wrote: >hi wayne, >what is SCLM? >On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 21:43:25 +1000, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: > >>I would use SCLM if you don't have another source management tool. >> >>On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 9:37 PM Bill Giannelli >>wrote: >> >>> Do many of you out there use SMP/E JCLIN processing to track and save job >>> updates? >>> Currently we do not make use of this and manually keep JCL up to date. >>> It seems there is a value to have SMPe ke >>> >>> -- >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >>> >> >> >>-- >>Wayne V. Bickerdike >> >>-- >>For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SMP/E JCLIN processing for job updates
hi wayne, what is SCLM? On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 21:43:25 +1000, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: >I would use SCLM if you don't have another source management tool. > >On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 9:37 PM Bill Giannelli >wrote: > >> Do many of you out there use SMP/E JCLIN processing to track and save job >> updates? >> Currently we do not make use of this and manually keep JCL up to date. >> It seems there is a value to have SMPe ke >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > > >-- >Wayne V. Bickerdike > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SMP/E JCLIN processing for job updates
I would use SCLM if you don't have another source management tool. On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 9:37 PM Bill Giannelli wrote: > Do many of you out there use SMP/E JCLIN processing to track and save job > updates? > Currently we do not make use of this and manually keep JCL up to date. > It seems there is a value to have SMPe ke > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Wayne V. Bickerdike -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
SMP/E JCLIN processing for job updates
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