Re: Since it's Friday

[Barry Merrill]

Button 287 "VSAM is the COBOL of Access Methods" was by Tom McSloy at GUIDE
in 1975.  And COBOL programmers at the time thought that was a compliment!

www.mxg.com/thebuttonman/search.asp 

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Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 7:46 AM
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Subject: Re: Since it's Friday

I'm not so "young" to remember that, however I vaguely remember I read some 
VSAM book (bought for many $$$). The book was awfully outdated, so I learned 
mostly VSAM history and obsolete features. It was ~13 years ago, but I would 
bet VSAM was born in 1974.

--
Radoslaw Skorupka
Lodz, Poland






W dniu 2017-12-05 o 09:19, Wayne Bickerdike pisze:
> VSAM was no later than 1975. I was in a PL/I class at Sudbury in 1975.
> Happened to be the week England beat Cyprus at Wembley 5-0 and Malcolm
> MacDonald scored all 5 goals.
>
> Anyway, our teacher at Sudbury asked this question:
>
> "Why is VSAM like a cow in the middle of a meadow".
>
> Answer:
>
> "They are both outstanding in their field".
>
> 16 April 1975: England's Malcolm Macdonald scores five against Cyprus
>
> Funny how things stick in your memory.
>
> We were still ISAM many years later.
>
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 9:00 AM, Seymour J Metz <sme...@gmu.edu> wrote:
>
>> ICF came in with DF/EF, which preceded MVS/XA.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>>
>> 
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf
>> of Mike Schwab <mike.a.sch...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 4:29 PM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu
>> Subject: Re: Since it's Friday
>>
>> I think CVOL / VSAM catalogs in MVS was version 1.  ICF catalogs
>> introduced during XA switchover period is version 2.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 8:56 AM, R.S. <r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl>
>> wrote:
>>> W dniu 2017-12-01 o 21:43, Pew, Curtis G pisze:
>>>> This is just a curiosity question, but I’ve wondered about this.
>>>>
>>>> The JCL reference says:
>>>>
>>>> All temporary data set names begin as follows:
>>>> SYSyyddd.Thhmmss.RA000.jjobname
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know the story behind the ‘RA000’ part? It seems unnecessary
>>>> and arbitrary.
>>>>
>>> Well, we used to answer "Frankie did this and he said >> do't change it<<
>>> but Frankie died..."
>>>
>>> BTW: almost every LISTCAT output contains "VERSION: 2" statement. Why
>> it's
>>> 2?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Radoslaw Skorupka
>>> Lodz, Poland
>>>
>>>


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Re: VSAM Release 2 (was Since it's Friday)

[Steve Smith]

I've occasionally wondered why LISTCAT has RELEASE-2 on
every entity listing (1974 is "before my time").  It's amazing how
release & version numbers deteriorate in various ways (Browser
Identity strings are the worst (maybe - hideous examples abound)).

I guess we can give up waiting for "Release 3".

sas

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 6:43 AM, Mike Kerford-Byrnes  wrote:
> Going back a looong way, I worked on VSAM Release 1 (OS/VS1 Rel 2.6-ish) in
> 1974.  It was not the happiest of times, with a significant number of errors
> and problems, especially when VSAM limits were tested.  Eventually peace
> returned, and then VSAM Release 2 was announced.(I think late 1975 or early
> 1976).  It supported Alternate Indexes, Improved CI Processing, GET-Previous
> (Read Backwards)  and introduced RRDS and spanned records.
>
>
>
> Having endured a "busy" time dealing with Release 1, we were not best
> pleased at having to demonstrate to our masters that Release 2 would not
> visit yet further challenges to our production systems.  The effort of
> proving that was almost as great as that of the original problems, which
> included a genuine Severity 1 (NO production at all) for a period of over 24
> hours.
>
>
>
> The LISTC output indicated which release had created the file and hence the
> processing that was (or was not) permitted.  VSAM Catalogs could describe
> files created by either or both versions.  Of course once a
> REPRO/DELETE/DEFINE/REPRO or EXPORT/IMPORT was carried out on the new
> system, it would be a 'Version 2' file and the check on how to process the
> file was un-necessary.
>
>
>
> I have just realised that was 43 years ago!  It must have hurt - I can still
> remember.  The phone calls to STL - with the 8-hour time difference - and
> the dump 'lost' by one of the couriers necessitating an IBM SE personally
> transporting its replacement to California in his carry on bag!
>
>
>
> MKB
>
>
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Re: Since it's Friday

[R.S.]

I'm not so "young" to remember that, however I vaguely remember I read 
some VSAM book (bought for many $$$). The book was awfully outdated, so 
I learned mostly VSAM history and obsolete features. It was ~13 years 
ago, but I would bet VSAM was born in 1974.


--
Radoslaw Skorupka
Lodz, Poland






W dniu 2017-12-05 o 09:19, Wayne Bickerdike pisze:

VSAM was no later than 1975. I was in a PL/I class at Sudbury in 1975.
Happened to be the week England beat Cyprus at Wembley 5-0 and Malcolm
MacDonald scored all 5 goals.

Anyway, our teacher at Sudbury asked this question:

"Why is VSAM like a cow in the middle of a meadow".

Answer:

"They are both outstanding in their field".

16 April 1975: England's Malcolm Macdonald scores five against Cyprus

Funny how things stick in your memory.

We were still ISAM many years later.

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 9:00 AM, Seymour J Metz <sme...@gmu.edu> wrote:


ICF came in with DF/EF, which preceded MVS/XA.


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf
of Mike Schwab <mike.a.sch...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 4:29 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Since it's Friday

I think CVOL / VSAM catalogs in MVS was version 1.  ICF catalogs
introduced during XA switchover period is version 2.

On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 8:56 AM, R.S. <r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl>
wrote:

W dniu 2017-12-01 o 21:43, Pew, Curtis G pisze:

This is just a curiosity question, but I’ve wondered about this.

The JCL reference says:

All temporary data set names begin as follows:
SYSyyddd.Thhmmss.RA000.jjobname

Does anyone know the story behind the ‘RA000’ part? It seems unnecessary
and arbitrary.


Well, we used to answer "Frankie did this and he said >> do't change it<<
but Frankie died..."

BTW: almost every LISTCAT output contains "VERSION: 2" statement. Why

it's

2?


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Lodz, Poland





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Re: Since it's Friday

[Elardus Engelbrecht]

Wayne Bickerdike wrote:

>"Why is VSAM like a cow in the middle of a meadow".
>Answer: "They are both outstanding in their field".

What  a "moo-ving" joke... ;-)

>16 April 1975: England's Malcolm Macdonald scores five against Cyprus
>Funny how things stick in your memory.

Ya, tell me. Sometimes you remember things you rather want to forget.

Or, worse, your wife or your mother-in-law remember something you really want 
them to forget... ;-D


>We were still ISAM many years later.

I remember that struggle in my start of my career, where I was tasked to scan 
disks and try to read those ISAM datasets and copy the contents to VSAM or PS 
datasets.

No, of course, I will NOT retry that ISAM thing... ;-)

Groete / Greetings
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VSAM Release 2 (was Since it's Friday)

[Mike Kerford-Byrnes]

Going back a looong way, I worked on VSAM Release 1 (OS/VS1 Rel 2.6-ish) in
1974.  It was not the happiest of times, with a significant number of errors
and problems, especially when VSAM limits were tested.  Eventually peace
returned, and then VSAM Release 2 was announced.(I think late 1975 or early
1976).  It supported Alternate Indexes, Improved CI Processing, GET-Previous
(Read Backwards)  and introduced RRDS and spanned records.  

 

Having endured a "busy" time dealing with Release 1, we were not best
pleased at having to demonstrate to our masters that Release 2 would not
visit yet further challenges to our production systems.  The effort of
proving that was almost as great as that of the original problems, which
included a genuine Severity 1 (NO production at all) for a period of over 24
hours. 

 

The LISTC output indicated which release had created the file and hence the
processing that was (or was not) permitted.  VSAM Catalogs could describe
files created by either or both versions.  Of course once a
REPRO/DELETE/DEFINE/REPRO or EXPORT/IMPORT was carried out on the new
system, it would be a 'Version 2' file and the check on how to process the
file was un-necessary.

 

I have just realised that was 43 years ago!  It must have hurt - I can still
remember.  The phone calls to STL - with the 8-hour time difference - and
the dump 'lost' by one of the couriers necessitating an IBM SE personally
transporting its replacement to California in his carry on bag!  

 

MKB 


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Re: Since it's Friday

[Wayne Bickerdike]

VSAM was no later than 1975. I was in a PL/I class at Sudbury in 1975.
Happened to be the week England beat Cyprus at Wembley 5-0 and Malcolm
MacDonald scored all 5 goals.

Anyway, our teacher at Sudbury asked this question:

"Why is VSAM like a cow in the middle of a meadow".

Answer:

"They are both outstanding in their field".

16 April 1975: England's Malcolm Macdonald scores five against Cyprus

Funny how things stick in your memory.

We were still ISAM many years later.

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 9:00 AM, Seymour J Metz <sme...@gmu.edu> wrote:

> ICF came in with DF/EF, which preceded MVS/XA.
>
>
> --
> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf
> of Mike Schwab <mike.a.sch...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 4:29 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: Since it's Friday
>
> I think CVOL / VSAM catalogs in MVS was version 1.  ICF catalogs
> introduced during XA switchover period is version 2.
>
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 8:56 AM, R.S. <r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl>
> wrote:
> > W dniu 2017-12-01 o 21:43, Pew, Curtis G pisze:
> >>
> >> This is just a curiosity question, but I’ve wondered about this.
> >>
> >> The JCL reference says:
> >>
> >> All temporary data set names begin as follows:
> >> SYSyyddd.Thhmmss.RA000.jjobname
> >>
> >> Does anyone know the story behind the ‘RA000’ part? It seems unnecessary
> >> and arbitrary.
> >>
> >
> > Well, we used to answer "Frankie did this and he said >> do't change it<<
> > but Frankie died..."
> >
> > BTW: almost every LISTCAT output contains "VERSION: 2" statement. Why
> it's
> > 2?
> >
> >
> > --
> > Radoslaw Skorupka
> > Lodz, Poland
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==
> >
> >
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> > jedynie jej adresat z wyłączeniem dostępu osób trzecich. Jeżeli nie
> jesteś
> > adresatem niniejszej wiadomości lub pracownikiem upoważnionym do jej
> > przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, że jej rozpowszechnianie,
> kopiowanie,
> > rozprowadzanie lub inne działanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie
> > zabronione i może być karalne. Jeżeli otrzymałeś tę wiadomość omyłkowo,
> > prosimy niezwłocznie zawiadomić nadawcę wysyłając odpowiedź oraz trwale
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Re: Since it's Friday

[Seymour J Metz]

ICF came in with DF/EF, which preceded MVS/XA.


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of 
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Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 4:29 PM
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Subject: Re: Since it's Friday

I think CVOL / VSAM catalogs in MVS was version 1.  ICF catalogs
introduced during XA switchover period is version 2.

On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 8:56 AM, R.S. <r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl> wrote:
> W dniu 2017-12-01 o 21:43, Pew, Curtis G pisze:
>>
>> This is just a curiosity question, but I’ve wondered about this.
>>
>> The JCL reference says:
>>
>> All temporary data set names begin as follows:
>> SYSyyddd.Thhmmss.RA000.jjobname
>>
>> Does anyone know the story behind the ‘RA000’ part? It seems unnecessary
>> and arbitrary.
>>
>
> Well, we used to answer "Frankie did this and he said >> do't change it<<
> but Frankie died..."
>
> BTW: almost every LISTCAT output contains "VERSION: 2" statement. Why it's
> 2?
>
>
> --
> Radoslaw Skorupka
> Lodz, Poland
>
>
>
>
> ==
>
>
>--
> Treść tej wiadomości może zawierać informacje prawnie chronione Banku
> przeznaczone wyłącznie do użytku służbowego adresata. Odbiorcą może być
> jedynie jej adresat z wyłączeniem dostępu osób trzecich. Jeżeli nie jesteś
> adresatem niniejszej wiadomości lub pracownikiem upoważnionym do jej
> przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, że jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie,
> rozprowadzanie lub inne działanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie
> zabronione i może być karalne. Jeżeli otrzymałeś tę wiadomość omyłkowo,
> prosimy niezwłocznie zawiadomić nadawcę wysyłając odpowiedź oraz trwale
> usunąć tę wiadomość włączając w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub
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Re: Since it's Friday

[Mike Schwab]

I think CVOL / VSAM catalogs in MVS was version 1.  ICF catalogs
introduced during XA switchover period is version 2.

On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 8:56 AM, R.S.  wrote:
> W dniu 2017-12-01 o 21:43, Pew, Curtis G pisze:
>>
>> This is just a curiosity question, but I’ve wondered about this.
>>
>> The JCL reference says:
>>
>> All temporary data set names begin as follows:
>> SYSyyddd.Thhmmss.RA000.jjobname
>>
>> Does anyone know the story behind the ‘RA000’ part? It seems unnecessary
>> and arbitrary.
>>
>
> Well, we used to answer "Frankie did this and he said >> do't change it<<
> but Frankie died..."
>
> BTW: almost every LISTCAT output contains "VERSION: 2" statement. Why it's
> 2?
>
>
> --
> Radoslaw Skorupka
> Lodz, Poland
>
>
>
>
> ==
>
>
>--
> Treść tej wiadomości może zawierać informacje prawnie chronione Banku
> przeznaczone wyłącznie do użytku służbowego adresata. Odbiorcą może być
> jedynie jej adresat z wyłączeniem dostępu osób trzecich. Jeżeli nie jesteś
> adresatem niniejszej wiadomości lub pracownikiem upoważnionym do jej
> przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, że jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie,
> rozprowadzanie lub inne działanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie
> zabronione i może być karalne. Jeżeli otrzymałeś tę wiadomość omyłkowo,
> prosimy niezwłocznie zawiadomić nadawcę wysyłając odpowiedź oraz trwale
> usunąć tę wiadomość włączając w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub
> zapisane na dysku.
>
> This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is
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Re: Since it's Friday

[Seymour J Metz]

No lateer than 1976.


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70's? I can remember IBM proudly introducing VSAM early 80's. Or I must be 
mistaken, but there must be others with accurate memories.

Kees.


> -Original Message-
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> Sent: 04 December, 2017 16:26
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> Subject: Re: Since it's Friday
>
> W dniu 2017-12-04 o 16:01, Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM pisze:
> > IIRC, there was a significant change in LISTCAT output, indicated by
> V2.
> >
> > Kees.
> I was told it's from "VSAM Version 2", which was introduced in late
> 70's. So, nowadays it's completely pointless, since no supported system
> could report "Version 1" for decades.
>
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Re: Since it's Friday

[Seymour J Metz]

Not really, except for its use with TSO. The real replacement for TCAM was MQ.


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But TCAM was replaced by VTAM

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humm, how about TCAM :)



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I recall the "everything must begin with V" era as being the 70's.

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Re: Since it's Friday

[Seymour J Metz]

DSS
JES
MF/2
MVS/SE
RES
RMF
RTAM
SAM-E
SMP
...


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exactly ! TCAM was used in the 70's
as Charles sez -


I recall the "everything must begin with V" era as being the 70's.





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Subject: Re: Since it's Friday

But TCAM was replaced by VTAM

Mike

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humm, how about TCAM :)



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I recall the "everything must begin with V" era as being the 70's.

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Re: Since it's Friday

[Jesse 1 Robinson]

Here's what seems a bit more likely. Although IBM has long maintained loudly 
and forcefully that LISTCAT output 'is not a programming interface', every shop 
I've ever worked at has one or more execs that that parse LISTCAT output and 
take some sort of action. I can't imagine that anyone cares about 'V2', but 
somewhere there is at least one process that would break if the whole 'Vx' 
indicator were eliminated. It's weird but not broken.  

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On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 16:26:13 +0100, R.S. wrote:
>
>I was told it's from "VSAM Version 2", which was introduced in late 
>70's. So, nowadays it's completely pointless, since no supported system 
>could report "Version 1" for decades.
> 
But there might yet be code extant that checks for and requires Version 2 (or 
higher).

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On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 16:26:13 +0100, R.S. wrote:
>
>I was told it's from "VSAM Version 2", which was introduced in late
>70's. So, nowadays it's completely pointless, since no supported system
>could report "Version 1" for decades.
> 
But there might yet be code extant that checks for and requires
Version 2 (or higher).

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Re: Since it's Friday

[Carmen Vitullo]

exactly ! TCAM was used in the 70's 
as Charles sez - 


I recall the "everything must begin with V" era as being the 70's. 





Carmen Vitullo 

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Subject: Re: Since it's Friday 

But TCAM was replaced by VTAM 

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humm, how about TCAM :) 



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I recall the "everything must begin with V" era as being the 70's. 

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But TCAM was replaced by VTAM 

Mike 

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I recall the "everything must begin with V" era as being the 70's. 

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humm, how about TCAM :) 



Carmen Vitullo 

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Subject: Re: Since it's Friday 

I recall the "everything must begin with V" era as being the 70's. 

Charles 


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70's? I can remember IBM proudly introducing VSAM early 80's. Or I must be 
mistaken, but there must be others with accurate memories. 

Kees. 


> -Original Message- 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] 
> On Behalf Of R.S. 
> Sent: 04 December, 2017 16:26 
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
> Subject: Re: Since it's Friday 
> 
> W dniu 2017-12-04 o 16:01, Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM pisze: 
> > IIRC, there was a significant change in LISTCAT output, indicated by 
> V2. 
> > 
> > Kees. 
> I was told it's from "VSAM Version 2", which was introduced in late 
> 70's. So, nowadays it's completely pointless, since no supported 
> system could report "Version 1" for decades. 
> 
> -- 
> Radoslaw Skorupka 
> Lodz, Poland 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> == 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Treść tej wiadomości może zawierać informacje prawnie chronione Banku 
> przeznaczone wyłącznie do użytku służbowego adresata. Odbiorcą może 
> być jedynie jej adresat z wyłączeniem dostępu osób trzecich. Jeżeli 
> nie jesteś adresatem niniejszej wiadomości lub pracownikiem 
> upoważnionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, że jej 
> rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne działanie o 
> podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i może być karalne. 
> Jeżeli otrzymałeś tę wiadomość omyłkowo, prosimy niezwłocznie 
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Re: Since it's Friday

[Carmen Vitullo]

Started working in Retail on the 70's Customer Appliance file was VSAM, other 
application master files were VSAM, anything accessed via CICS was VSAM for 
this retailer. 



Carmen Vitullo 

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Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 9:33:22 AM 
Subject: Re: Since it's Friday 

70's? I can remember IBM proudly introducing VSAM early 80's. Or I must be 
mistaken, but there must be others with accurate memories. 

Kees. 


> -Original Message- 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On 
> Behalf Of R.S. 
> Sent: 04 December, 2017 16:26 
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
> Subject: Re: Since it's Friday 
> 
> W dniu 2017-12-04 o 16:01, Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM pisze: 
> > IIRC, there was a significant change in LISTCAT output, indicated by 
> V2. 
> > 
> > Kees. 
> I was told it's from "VSAM Version 2", which was introduced in late 
> 70's. So, nowadays it's completely pointless, since no supported system 
> could report "Version 1" for decades. 
> 
> -- 
> Radoslaw Skorupka 
> Lodz, Poland 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> == 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Treść tej wiadomości może zawierać informacje prawnie chronione Banku 
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> jedynie jej adresat z wyłączeniem dostępu osób trzecich. Jeżeli nie 
> jesteś adresatem niniejszej wiadomości lub pracownikiem upoważnionym do 
> jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, że jej rozpowszechnianie, 
> kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne działanie o podobnym charakterze 
> jest prawnie zabronione i może być karalne. Jeżeli otrzymałeś tę 
> wiadomość omyłkowo, prosimy niezwłocznie zawiadomić nadawcę wysyłając 
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Re: Since it's Friday

[Charles Mills]

I recall the "everything must begin with V" era as being the 70's.

Charles


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
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70's? I can remember IBM proudly introducing VSAM early 80's. Or I must be 
mistaken, but there must be others with accurate memories.

Kees.


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> W dniu 2017-12-04 o 16:01, Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM pisze:
> > IIRC, there was a significant change in LISTCAT output, indicated by
> V2.
> >
> > Kees.
> I was told it's from "VSAM Version 2", which was introduced in late 
> 70's. So, nowadays it's completely pointless, since no supported 
> system could report "Version 1" for decades.
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Re: Since it's Friday

[Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM]

70's? I can remember IBM proudly introducing VSAM early 80's. Or I must be 
mistaken, but there must be others with accurate memories.

Kees.


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> Subject: Re: Since it's Friday
> 
> W dniu 2017-12-04 o 16:01, Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM pisze:
> > IIRC, there was a significant change in LISTCAT output, indicated by
> V2.
> >
> > Kees.
> I was told it's from "VSAM Version 2", which was introduced in late
> 70's. So, nowadays it's completely pointless, since no supported system
> could report "Version 1" for decades.
> 
> --
> Radoslaw Skorupka
> Lodz, Poland
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ==
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> 
> --
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> jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, że jej rozpowszechnianie,
> kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne działanie o podobnym charakterze
> jest prawnie zabronione i może być karalne. Jeżeli otrzymałeś tę
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Re: Since it's Friday

[R.S.]

W dniu 2017-12-01 o 21:43, Pew, Curtis G pisze:

This is just a curiosity question, but I’ve wondered about this.

The JCL reference says:

All temporary data set names begin as follows: SYSyyddd.Thhmmss.RA000.jjobname

Does anyone know the story behind the ‘RA000’ part? It seems unnecessary and 
arbitrary.



Well, we used to answer "Frankie did this and he said >> do't change 
it<< but Frankie died..."


BTW: almost every LISTCAT output contains "VERSION: 2" statement. Why 
it's 2?



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Re: Since it's Friday

[Tony Harminc]

On 1 December 2017 at 15:43, Pew, Curtis G 
wrote:

> This is just a curiosity question, but I’ve wondered about this.
>
> The JCL reference says:
>
> All temporary data set names begin as follows:
> SYSyyddd.Thhmmss.RA000.jjobname
>
> Does anyone know the story behind the ‘RA000’ part? It seems unnecessary
> and arbitrary.
>

I know just one little bit about it. In MVT, this qualifier was RVnnn, and
I *think* it was RF in MFT. The RA came along with MVS. IIRC the A stands
for AOS (Advanced Operating System), one of the early names for MVS.

Tony H.

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Since it's Friday

[Pew, Curtis G]

This is just a curiosity question, but I’ve wondered about this.

The JCL reference says:

All temporary data set names begin as follows: SYSyyddd.Thhmmss.RA000.jjobname

Does anyone know the story behind the ‘RA000’ part? It seems unnecessary and 
arbitrary.

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