Re: Strange thought - ADRDSSU output to a UNIX pipe.
We have a good compliment of native 3592 E06 tape drives in addition to VTS/VTL libraries and will. We even have a pair of 3490 drives for data exchange with agencies that don't support data transmission. Tape is far from dead but we are very restrictive about access to native tape drives. The storage team uses ordinary SMS ACS routines to insure that only approved and sensible uses of high capacity native attached 3592 tape are made. Best Regards, Sam Knutson, GEICO System z Team Leader mailto:sknut...@geico.com (office) 301.986.3574 (cell) 301.996.1318 Think big, act bold, start simple, grow fast... -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 3:17 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Strange thought - ADRDSSU output to a UNIX pipe. This though occurred to me when Lindy said that no mainframe shop he knows of has tape drives. I wonder what others would think of the possibility of being able to use both ADRDSSU and AMATERSE in a UNIX environment. Why? Well, image doing a ADRDSSU DUMP of a disk (or even a logical dataset backup) and sending it to a UNIX pipe instead of a data set. This pipe would be the input to AMATERSE. Which would send its output to another pipe. Which could really be UNIX command which connects to a server which has either USB (2.0 or 3.0) or eSATA disks (magnetic, SSD, or flash) available to it. The server outputs the data to files these disks instead of to physical tapes. Let's face it, 3390s are tiny compared to distributed disk sizes. How big is a 3390-54? About 54 gigs. My home PC has a 512gig SSD, a 1.5 TiB HD, and a 2.0 TiB HD on it. The 2.0 TB HD is in an eSATA tower which has 3 empty slots in it. That isn't counting the 2 Gib mirrored NAS (OK, it's old and small). With compression, I could literally back up the company's entire mainframe environment (we're small) onto my home PC's eSATA drive. With room to spare. Yes, I realize that my home disk is not generally rated as reliable as the enterprise disk. But what about SSD instead of physical tape? Have I been into the holiday cheer too early this year? -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all paper and electronic copies of the original message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Strange thought - ADRDSSU output to a UNIX pipe.
This though occurred to me when Lindy said that no mainframe shop he knows of has tape drives. I wonder what others would think of the possibility of being able to use both ADRDSSU and AMATERSE in a UNIX environment. Why? Well, image doing a ADRDSSU DUMP of a disk (or even a logical dataset backup) and sending it to a UNIX pipe instead of a data set. This pipe would be the input to AMATERSE. Which would send its output to another pipe. Which could really be UNIX command which connects to a server which has either USB (2.0 or 3.0) or eSATA disks (magnetic, SSD, or flash) available to it. The server outputs the data to files these disks instead of to physical tapes. Let's face it, 3390s are tiny compared to distributed disk sizes. How big is a 3390-54? About 54 gigs. My home PC has a 512gig SSD, a 1.5 TiB HD, and a 2.0 TiB HD on it. The 2.0 TB HD is in an eSATA tower which has 3 empty slots in it. That isn't counting the 2 Gib mirrored NAS (OK, it's old and small). With compression, I could literally back up the company's entire mainframe environment (we're small) onto my home PC's eSATA drive. With room to spare. Yes, I realize that my home disk is not generally rated as reliable as the enterprise disk. But what about SSD instead of physical tape? Have I been into the holiday cheer too early this year? -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Strange thought - ADRDSSU output to a UNIX pipe.
You are cool, John. Finland is a small country, but a few of the customers that I know well enough in other places in Europe use them only for legacy purposes. Which was why I had to ask a few other questions when my Finnish customers said they didn't have any. At all. Nada. :-) But how do you? Internet, they said. Internet. When Sam mentioned actually creating code that assumed that tape drives still existed, I though, that's funny. But that is just me. I don't think badly of people who still have tape drives and have no internets. Like Mr. Gilmore said, ... the shepherd lists his sheep, and the tape robot lists his cartridges. Better for me. Last time, 4 or 5 years ago, that I had to take tapes to one of my customers I left them in my car overnight. In winter. In Finland. That didn't bode well. Whoops. :-) I'm so good as Mr. Gilmore, but I can try: Mulier cupido quod dicit amanti, In vento et rapida scribere oportet aqua Lindy -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 10:17 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Strange thought - ADRDSSU output to a UNIX pipe. With compression, I could literally back up the company's entire mainframe environment (we're small) onto my home PC's eSATA drive. With room to spare. Yes, I realize that my home disk is not generally rated as reliable as the enterprise disk. But what about SSD instead of physical tape? Have I been into the holiday cheer too early this year? -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Strange thought - ADRDSSU output to a UNIX pipe.
I would love to eliminate tapes. We've already eliminated our Tape Librarian. Now one of the guys in systems has to fill out all the paper work, pull tapes, scan them, etc. We did the same with print operations because we're going to outsource 100%!. Well, we didn't. So the same guy is stuck with printing high value checks every morning. And he needs to be in early or accounting starts screaming like a gut-shot panther if the checks are waiting for them by the time they come in. Of course, we can't eliminate accounting (rats!). -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lindy Mayfield Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 3:07 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Strange thought - ADRDSSU output to a UNIX pipe. You are cool, John. Finland is a small country, but a few of the customers that I know well enough in other places in Europe use them only for legacy purposes. Which was why I had to ask a few other questions when my Finnish customers said they didn't have any. At all. Nada. :-) But how do you? Internet, they said. Internet. When Sam mentioned actually creating code that assumed that tape drives still existed, I though, that's funny. But that is just me. I don't think badly of people who still have tape drives and have no internets. Like Mr. Gilmore said, ... the shepherd lists his sheep, and the tape robot lists his cartridges. Better for me. Last time, 4 or 5 years ago, that I had to take tapes to one of my customers I left them in my car overnight. In winter. In Finland. That didn't bode well. Whoops. :-) I'm so good as Mr. Gilmore, but I can try: Mulier cupido quod dicit amanti, In vento et rapida scribere oportet aqua Lindy -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 10:17 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Strange thought - ADRDSSU output to a UNIX pipe. With compression, I could literally back up the company's entire mainframe environment (we're small) onto my home PC's eSATA drive. With room to spare. Yes, I realize that my home disk is not generally rated as reliable as the enterprise disk. But what about SSD instead of physical tape? Have I been into the holiday cheer too early this year? -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Strange thought - ADRDSSU output to a UNIX pipe.
On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:16:59 -0600, McKown, John wrote: This though occurred to me when Lindy said that no mainframe shop he knows of has tape drives. I wonder what others would think of the possibility of being able to use both ADRDSSU and AMATERSE in a UNIX environment. Why? Well, image doing a ADRDSSU DUMP of a disk (or even a logical dataset backup) and sending it to a UNIX pipe instead of a data set. This pipe would be the input to AMATERSE. ... The real pity is that IEBCOPY can't write its PDSU (not PDS or PDSE) output to/ read from a UNIX file or other stream. It employs the block boundaries on reload, but since the PDSU is RECFM=VBS, they can be reconstructed from the BDWs. GIMZIP/GIMUNZIP do this. Considerable overhead and some SPACE crises incurred by GIMUNZIP could be circumvented if IEBCOPY read the GIMZIP UNIX files directly (or via a pipe from uncompress; they're .pax.Z). Conway's Law: SMP/E can't impose a requirement for even a trivial enhancement to IEBCOPY that would reap a much greater saving for IBM and its customers. AMATERSE can't compress a PDS(E) directly to tape; it must go via DASD. The reason appears to be that AMATERSE must POINT back to the first block to write some sort of summary; perhaps SPACE requirements. GIMZIP supplies similar metadata in the GIMFAF files. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
