Re: Tape solutions for mainframe
>Where should one keep the keys? >You can hand it over to Google or Microsoft or Amazon >I guess... You *could*, but I suggest you don't. "Funny you should ask that." :-) Cloud object storage with IBM Cloud Hyper Protect Crypto Services (Keep Your Own Key, FIPS 140-2 Level 4 HSMs) is a terrific combination. More information is available here: https://www.ibm.com/cloud/blog/announcements/ibm-cloud-object-storage-announces-integration-with-ibm-cloud-hyper-protect-crypto-services - - - - - - - - - - Timothy Sipples I.T. Architect Executive Digital Asset & Other Industry Solutions IBM Z & LinuxONE - - - - - - - - - - E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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You can hand it over to Google or Microsoft or Amazon I guess... - KB ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, March 8, 2021 8:51 PM, Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > On Mon, 8 Mar 2021 16:12:36 +0800, Timothy Sipples wrote: > > > ... Physical > > tape is really the only practical last line of defense against malware, > > ransomware, corruption, and other data destroying events. > > ... > > However, encrypted cloud object storage, typically backed with physical > > tape (which usually ends up holding most of the exabytes), is now well > > established and quite compelling. ... > > Where should one keep the keys? > > -- gil > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Mon, 8 Mar 2021 16:12:36 +0800, Timothy Sipples wrote: >... Physical >tape is really the only practical last line of defense against malware, >ransomware, corruption, and other data destroying events. >... >However, encrypted cloud object storage, typically backed with physical >tape (which usually ends up holding most of the exabytes), is now well >established and quite compelling. ... > Where should one keep the keys? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Tape solutions for mainframe
Rewinding this discussion a bit, to my knowledge there's only one locally FICON-attached physical tape solution for z/OS from one vendor that's still in active development. The current iteration is IBM TS7770+IBM TS4500+IBM TS1150. Physical tape is still extremely useful, even more useful than ever. Physical tape cartridges are comparatively economical, durable, portable, and expressly designed to be electrically unplugged/disconnected. Physical tape is really the only practical last line of defense against malware, ransomware, corruption, and other data destroying events. For the sake of completeness (I haven't seen anyone mention it yet), I believe Fujitsu's ETERNUS CS8000 is still at least notionally available and can support physical tape, including IBM's physical tape. However, encrypted cloud object storage, typically backed with physical tape (which usually ends up holding most of the exabytes), is now well established and quite compelling. A few of the IBM products in this category include IBM DS8000 Transparent Cloud Tiering, IBM TS7700 Transparent Cloud Tiering, and Cloud Tape Connector for z/OS. Please note that "cloud" can mean any cloud(s), including your own private cloud. If you're considering storage-related improvements I suggest you embrace cloud object storage. - - - - - - - - - - Timothy Sipples I.T. Architect Executive Digital Asset & Other Industry Solutions IBM Z & LinuxONE - - - - - - - - - - E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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There is also IBM's CTC (Cloud Tape Connection) product. It used to have a different name until last year, but it also is meant to replace real and virtual tapes (in this case with the cloud) On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 15:21:21 +0100, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: >I remember what EMC sales guy said when they offered DLm. It was not >long after Bustech was bought. >They claimed it is just Bustech device, however due to EMC interest it >support EMC disk at backend, no tapes, no other vendors disks. >Disclaimers: I'm neither follower nor opponent of EMC or Bustech people. >I have no way to check what part of DLm have roots from Bustech. > >However it would make no sense to buy the product (company) just to >issue another product, so I read EMC sales guys words as reasonable. > > >BTW: What about Sutmyn VTAPE aka CA-VTAPE? Is is still marketed? >Personally I did not like it because it tool CPU cycles and expensive >CKD DASD, however I heard it was somehow enhanced to support IP-attached >NAS for destaging. > >-- >Radoslaw Skorupka >(looking for new job) >Lodz, Poland > > > >W dniu 05.03.2021 o 13:52, Ken Bloom pisze: >> That’s not true! EMC purchased BUSTECH and killed their product. DLm is an >> internal EMC development and had nothing to do with the BUSTECH products. >> >> Kenneth A. Bloom >> CEO >> Avenir Technologies Inc >> /d/b/a Visara International >> 203-984-2235 >> bl...@visara.com<mailto:bl...@visara.com> >> www.visara.com<http://www.visara.com/> >> >> >> On Mar 5, 2021, at 7:48 AM, Carl Swanson >> <0252c152a1b5-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >> >> Just a small point of clarification BUSTECH was purchased by EMC in the >> 2010 / 2011 time frame and from that come the DLm. >> >> Carl Swanson >> Mobile:215.688.1459 >> Email: carl.swans...@verizon.net >> >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of >> Brian Westerman >> Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 12:30 AM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: RES: Tape solutions for mainframe >> >> The "former BUSTECH" is also claimed by OPTICA (the people who make >> converters and directors), for their z/VT product. It's a lot closer to the >> original BUSTECH than DLm, but they could both be based on the same >> technology. >> >> Brian >> >> > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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nope, zVT is MTL or ATL. Also, it's in their manual that the technology is based on BUSTECH. Maybe they licensed it before or after the EMC purchase. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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It is Falconstore product, and AFAIK it does NOT support mainframe (understood as z/OS, FICON attachment, etc.) -- Radoslaw Skorupka (looking for new job) Lodz, Poland W dniu 05.03.2021 o 15:52, Bfishing pisze: Hitachi still offers a VTL solution in this space too. Like IBM's, it works within the concept of a grid with automation. https://www.hitachivantara.com/go/data-protection/assets/pdf/hitachi-vtl-losung-mit-falconstor.pdf On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 9:33 AM PINION, RICHARD W. wrote: Also, not as snazzy, it's a MTL, zVT. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of kekronbekron Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 9:21 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: RES: Tape solutions for mainframe [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] https://www.computerworld.com/article/2514205/emc-buys-mainframe-virtual-tape-library-vendor-bus-tech.html "EMC has been reselling Bus-Tech's Mainframe Data Library VTL since 2008 as the EMC Disk Library for mainframe (DLm)" Not taking any sides etc., just sharing what a quick search found. - KB ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, March 5, 2021 7:42 PM, Carl Swanson < 0252c152a1b5-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Ken, On this I will need to respectfully disagree, seems I work with this product every day and this is not accurate. The DLm is 100% evolution of the BusTech MDL and we see this constantly in the product. Is it different yes, has it evolved yes, and the evolution is from BusTech MDL. I have worked on this product from the time it was acquired by EMC now Dell. And another fun relatively unknow BusTech fact at one time for a short while they were owned by StorageTek (STK). This happened because BusTech was acquired by Network Systems Corp who was then acquired by STK. After that the principals of BusTech were able to buy their company back from STK. Carl Swanson Mobile:215.688.1459 Email: carl.swans...@verizon.net -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf Of Ken Bloom Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 7:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: RES: Tape solutions for mainframe That’s not true! EMC purchased BUSTECH and killed their product. DLm is an internal EMC development and had nothing to do with the BUSTECH products. Kenneth A. Bloom CEO Avenir Technologies Inc /d/b/a Visara International 203-984-2235tel:203-984-2235 bloom@visara.commailto:bl...@visara.com www.visara.comhttp://www.visara.com/ On Mar 5, 2021, at 7:48 AM, Carl swanson0252c152a1b5-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote: Just a small point of clarification BUSTECH was purchased by EMC in the 2010 / 2011 time frame and from that come the DLm. Carl Swanson Mobile:215.688.1459 Email: carl.swans...@verizon.net -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf Of Brian Westerman Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 12:30 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: RES: Tape solutions for mainframe The "former BUSTECH" is also claimed by OPTICA (the people who make converters and directors), for their z/VT product. It's a lot closer to the original BUSTECH than DLm, but they could both be based on the same technology. Brian -- -- -- -- - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Confidentiality notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are no
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Ken, Can you share some details of Visara solutions? Of course I visited your webpage and read a little bit. 1. You have to products. 5990L and 5990A. What is a difference between them? Size only? 2. Is it possible to attach external disk storage to extend capacity? 3. You offer sync and async replication. That's clear. However what about external storage? I understand both 5990 devices should have its own storage and in fact it can be different type (i.e. disk array ABC in primary site, disk array EFG in secondary site) 4. Any VISARA software on z/OS side? 5. Scalability. Assuming single box is not enough, can I simply add another box and it will be seen y z/OS as single MTL? (disclaimer: I'm not asking for advertisement, I'm just asking for technical details) -- Radoslaw Skorupka (looking for new job) Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Thanks for the link and after looking it over they even got most of it correct. EMC never had a MDL-6000 it did have a DLm6000, but now I am being picky. I remember reading the paper edition of computer world back in the day (yes, I am that old). Since I was on the trip down memory, I did start looking for Mainframe articles and found them few and far between (that is if you discount the article about migrating off). Now maybe I just did not look in the right place that is always a possibility. And just for clarity, I do work for Dell Technologies, specifically in the Mainframe Division and more specifically on the DLm product. And I do want to avoid unpleasantness. Carl Swanson Mobile:215.688.1459 Email: carl.swans...@verizon.net -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of PINION, RICHARD W. Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 9:33 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: RES: Tape solutions for mainframe Also, not as snazzy, it's a MTL, zVT. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of kekronbekron Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 9:21 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: RES: Tape solutions for mainframe [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] https://www.computerworld.com/article/2514205/emc-buys-mainframe-virtual-tape-library-vendor-bus-tech.html "EMC has been reselling Bus-Tech's Mainframe Data Library VTL since 2008 as the EMC Disk Library for mainframe (DLm)" Not taking any sides etc., just sharing what a quick search found. - KB ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, March 5, 2021 7:42 PM, Carl Swanson <0252c152a1b5-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Ken, > > > On this I will need to respectfully disagree, seems I work with this product > every day and this is not accurate. The DLm is 100% evolution of the BusTech > MDL and we see this constantly in the product. Is it different yes, has it > evolved yes, and the evolution is from BusTech MDL. I have worked on this > product from the time it was acquired by EMC now Dell. And another fun > relatively unknow BusTech fact at one time for a short while they were owned > by StorageTek (STK). This happened because BusTech was acquired by Network > Systems Corp who was then acquired by STK. After that the principals of > BusTech were able to buy their company back from STK. > > Carl Swanson > Mobile:215.688.1459 > Email: carl.swans...@verizon.net > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf > Of Ken Bloom > Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 7:53 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: RES: Tape solutions for mainframe > > That’s not true! EMC purchased BUSTECH and killed their product. DLm is an > internal EMC development and had nothing to do with the BUSTECH products. > > Kenneth A. Bloom > CEO > Avenir Technologies Inc > /d/b/a Visara International > 203-984-2235tel:203-984-2235 > bloom@visara.commailto:bl...@visara.com > www.visara.comhttp://www.visara.com/ > > On Mar 5, 2021, at 7:48 AM, Carl > swanson0252c152a1b5-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote: > > Just a small point of clarification BUSTECH was purchased by EMC in the > 2010 / 2011 time frame and from that come the DLm. > > Carl Swanson > Mobile:215.688.1459 > Email: carl.swans...@verizon.net > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf > Of Brian Westerman > > Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 12:30 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: RES: Tape solutions for mainframe > > The "former BUSTECH" is also claimed by OPTICA (the people who make > converters and directors), for their z/VT product. It's a lot closer to the > original BUSTECH than DLm, but they could both be based on the same > technology. > > Brian > > -- > -- > -- > -- > - > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > - > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > --
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Hitachi still offers a VTL solution in this space too. Like IBM's, it works within the concept of a grid with automation. https://www.hitachivantara.com/go/data-protection/assets/pdf/hitachi-vtl-losung-mit-falconstor.pdf On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 9:33 AM PINION, RICHARD W. wrote: > Also, not as snazzy, it's a MTL, zVT. > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of kekronbekron > Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 9:21 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: RES: Tape solutions for mainframe > > [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening > attachments.] > > > https://www.computerworld.com/article/2514205/emc-buys-mainframe-virtual-tape-library-vendor-bus-tech.html > > "EMC has been reselling Bus-Tech's Mainframe Data Library VTL since 2008 > as the EMC Disk Library for mainframe (DLm)" > > > Not taking any sides etc., just sharing what a quick search found. > > - KB > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Friday, March 5, 2021 7:42 PM, Carl Swanson < > 0252c152a1b5-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > Ken, > > > > > > On this I will need to respectfully disagree, seems I work with this > product every day and this is not accurate. The DLm is 100% evolution of > the BusTech MDL and we see this constantly in the product. Is it different > yes, has it evolved yes, and the evolution is from BusTech MDL. I have > worked on this product from the time it was acquired by EMC now Dell. And > another fun relatively unknow BusTech fact at one time for a short while > they were owned by StorageTek (STK). This happened because BusTech was > acquired by Network Systems Corp who was then acquired by STK. After that > the principals of BusTech were able to buy their company back from STK. > > > > Carl Swanson > > Mobile:215.688.1459 > > Email: carl.swans...@verizon.net > > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf > > Of Ken Bloom > > Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 7:53 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: RES: Tape solutions for mainframe > > > > That’s not true! EMC purchased BUSTECH and killed their product. DLm is > an internal EMC development and had nothing to do with the BUSTECH products. > > > > Kenneth A. Bloom > > CEO > > Avenir Technologies Inc > > /d/b/a Visara International > > 203-984-2235tel:203-984-2235 > > bloom@visara.commailto:bl...@visara.com > > www.visara.comhttp://www.visara.com/ > > > > On Mar 5, 2021, at 7:48 AM, Carl > swanson0252c152a1b5-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote: > > > > Just a small point of clarification BUSTECH was purchased by EMC in > the 2010 / 2011 time frame and from that come the DLm. > > > > Carl Swanson > > Mobile:215.688.1459 > > Email: carl.swans...@verizon.net > > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf > > Of Brian Westerman > > > > Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 12:30 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: RES: Tape solutions for mainframe > > > > The "former BUSTECH" is also claimed by OPTICA (the people who make > converters and directors), for their z/VT product. It's a lot closer to the > original BUSTECH than DLm, but they could both be based on the same > technology. > > > > Brian > > > > -- > > -- > > -- > > -- > > - > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > > - > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > > - > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > &g
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Also, not as snazzy, it's a MTL, zVT. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of kekronbekron Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 9:21 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: RES: Tape solutions for mainframe [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] https://www.computerworld.com/article/2514205/emc-buys-mainframe-virtual-tape-library-vendor-bus-tech.html "EMC has been reselling Bus-Tech's Mainframe Data Library VTL since 2008 as the EMC Disk Library for mainframe (DLm)" Not taking any sides etc., just sharing what a quick search found. - KB ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, March 5, 2021 7:42 PM, Carl Swanson <0252c152a1b5-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Ken, > > > On this I will need to respectfully disagree, seems I work with this product > every day and this is not accurate. The DLm is 100% evolution of the BusTech > MDL and we see this constantly in the product. Is it different yes, has it > evolved yes, and the evolution is from BusTech MDL. I have worked on this > product from the time it was acquired by EMC now Dell. And another fun > relatively unknow BusTech fact at one time for a short while they were owned > by StorageTek (STK). This happened because BusTech was acquired by Network > Systems Corp who was then acquired by STK. After that the principals of > BusTech were able to buy their company back from STK. > > Carl Swanson > Mobile:215.688.1459 > Email: carl.swans...@verizon.net > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf > Of Ken Bloom > Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 7:53 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: RES: Tape solutions for mainframe > > That’s not true! EMC purchased BUSTECH and killed their product. DLm is an > internal EMC development and had nothing to do with the BUSTECH products. > > Kenneth A. Bloom > CEO > Avenir Technologies Inc > /d/b/a Visara International > 203-984-2235tel:203-984-2235 > bloom@visara.commailto:bl...@visara.com > www.visara.comhttp://www.visara.com/ > > On Mar 5, 2021, at 7:48 AM, Carl > swanson0252c152a1b5-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote: > > Just a small point of clarification BUSTECH was purchased by EMC in the > 2010 / 2011 time frame and from that come the DLm. > > Carl Swanson > Mobile:215.688.1459 > Email: carl.swans...@verizon.net > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf > Of Brian Westerman > > Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 12:30 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: RES: Tape solutions for mainframe > > The "former BUSTECH" is also claimed by OPTICA (the people who make > converters and directors), for their z/VT product. It's a lot closer to the > original BUSTECH than DLm, but they could both be based on the same > technology. > > Brian > > -- > -- > -- > -- > - > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > - > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > - > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > - > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Confidentiality notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or the employee or agent responsible fo
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https://www.computerworld.com/article/2514205/emc-buys-mainframe-virtual-tape-library-vendor-bus-tech.html "EMC has been reselling Bus-Tech's Mainframe Data Library VTL since 2008 as the EMC Disk Library for mainframe (DLm)" Not taking any sides etc., just sharing what a quick search found. - KB ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, March 5, 2021 7:42 PM, Carl Swanson <0252c152a1b5-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Ken, > > > On this I will need to respectfully disagree, seems I work with this product > every day and this is not accurate. The DLm is 100% evolution of the BusTech > MDL and we see this constantly in the product. Is it different yes, has it > evolved yes, and the evolution is from BusTech MDL. I have worked on this > product from the time it was acquired by EMC now Dell. And another fun > relatively unknow BusTech fact at one time for a short while they were owned > by StorageTek (STK). This happened because BusTech was acquired by Network > Systems Corp who was then acquired by STK. After that the principals of > BusTech were able to buy their company back from STK. > > Carl Swanson > Mobile:215.688.1459 > Email: carl.swans...@verizon.net > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf Of Ken > Bloom > Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 7:53 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: RES: Tape solutions for mainframe > > That’s not true! EMC purchased BUSTECH and killed their product. DLm is an > internal EMC development and had nothing to do with the BUSTECH products. > > Kenneth A. Bloom > CEO > Avenir Technologies Inc > /d/b/a Visara International > 203-984-2235tel:203-984-2235 > bloom@visara.commailto:bl...@visara.com > www.visara.comhttp://www.visara.com/ > > On Mar 5, 2021, at 7:48 AM, Carl > swanson0252c152a1b5-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote: > > Just a small point of clarification BUSTECH was purchased by EMC in the > 2010 / 2011 time frame and from that come the DLm. > > Carl Swanson > Mobile:215.688.1459 > Email: carl.swans...@verizon.net > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf Of > Brian Westerman > > Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 12:30 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: RES: Tape solutions for mainframe > > The "former BUSTECH" is also claimed by OPTICA (the people who make > converters and directors), for their z/VT product. It's a lot closer to the > original BUSTECH than DLm, but they could both be based on the same > technology. > > Brian > > - > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to > lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > --- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to > lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > --- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to > lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > --- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I remember what EMC sales guy said when they offered DLm. It was not long after Bustech was bought. They claimed it is just Bustech device, however due to EMC interest it support EMC disk at backend, no tapes, no other vendors disks. Disclaimers: I'm neither follower nor opponent of EMC or Bustech people. I have no way to check what part of DLm have roots from Bustech. However it would make no sense to buy the product (company) just to issue another product, so I read EMC sales guys words as reasonable. BTW: What about Sutmyn VTAPE aka CA-VTAPE? Is is still marketed? Personally I did not like it because it tool CPU cycles and expensive CKD DASD, however I heard it was somehow enhanced to support IP-attached NAS for destaging. -- Radoslaw Skorupka (looking for new job) Lodz, Poland W dniu 05.03.2021 o 13:52, Ken Bloom pisze: That’s not true! EMC purchased BUSTECH and killed their product. DLm is an internal EMC development and had nothing to do with the BUSTECH products. Kenneth A. Bloom CEO Avenir Technologies Inc /d/b/a Visara International 203-984-2235 bl...@visara.com<mailto:bl...@visara.com> www.visara.com<http://www.visara.com/> On Mar 5, 2021, at 7:48 AM, Carl Swanson <0252c152a1b5-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Just a small point of clarification BUSTECH was purchased by EMC in the 2010 / 2011 time frame and from that come the DLm. Carl Swanson Mobile:215.688.1459 Email: carl.swans...@verizon.net -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Brian Westerman Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 12:30 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: RES: Tape solutions for mainframe The "former BUSTECH" is also claimed by OPTICA (the people who make converters and directors), for their z/VT product. It's a lot closer to the original BUSTECH than DLm, but they could both be based on the same technology. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Ken, On this I will need to respectfully disagree, seems I work with this product every day and this is not accurate. The DLm is 100% evolution of the BusTech MDL and we see this constantly in the product. Is it different yes, has it evolved yes, and the evolution is from BusTech MDL. I have worked on this product from the time it was acquired by EMC now Dell. And another fun relatively unknow BusTech fact at one time for a short while they were owned by StorageTek (STK). This happened because BusTech was acquired by Network Systems Corp who was then acquired by STK. After that the principals of BusTech were able to buy their company back from STK. Carl Swanson Mobile:215.688.1459 Email: carl.swans...@verizon.net -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ken Bloom Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 7:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: RES: Tape solutions for mainframe That’s not true! EMC purchased BUSTECH and killed their product. DLm is an internal EMC development and had nothing to do with the BUSTECH products. Kenneth A. Bloom CEO Avenir Technologies Inc /d/b/a Visara International 203-984-2235 bl...@visara.com<mailto:bl...@visara.com> www.visara.com<http://www.visara.com/> On Mar 5, 2021, at 7:48 AM, Carl Swanson <0252c152a1b5-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Just a small point of clarification BUSTECH was purchased by EMC in the 2010 / 2011 time frame and from that come the DLm. Carl Swanson Mobile:215.688.1459 Email: carl.swans...@verizon.net -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Brian Westerman Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 12:30 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: RES: Tape solutions for mainframe The "former BUSTECH" is also claimed by OPTICA (the people who make converters and directors), for their z/VT product. It's a lot closer to the original BUSTECH than DLm, but they could both be based on the same technology. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: RES: Tape solutions for mainframe
That’s not true! EMC purchased BUSTECH and killed their product. DLm is an internal EMC development and had nothing to do with the BUSTECH products. Kenneth A. Bloom CEO Avenir Technologies Inc /d/b/a Visara International 203-984-2235 bl...@visara.com<mailto:bl...@visara.com> www.visara.com<http://www.visara.com/> On Mar 5, 2021, at 7:48 AM, Carl Swanson <0252c152a1b5-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Just a small point of clarification BUSTECH was purchased by EMC in the 2010 / 2011 time frame and from that come the DLm. Carl Swanson Mobile:215.688.1459 Email: carl.swans...@verizon.net -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Brian Westerman Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 12:30 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: RES: Tape solutions for mainframe The "former BUSTECH" is also claimed by OPTICA (the people who make converters and directors), for their z/VT product. It's a lot closer to the original BUSTECH than DLm, but they could both be based on the same technology. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: RES: Tape solutions for mainframe
Just a small point of clarification BUSTECH was purchased by EMC in the 2010 / 2011 time frame and from that come the DLm. Carl Swanson Mobile:215.688.1459 Email: carl.swans...@verizon.net -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Brian Westerman Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 12:30 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: RES: Tape solutions for mainframe The "former BUSTECH" is also claimed by OPTICA (the people who make converters and directors), for their z/VT product. It's a lot closer to the original BUSTECH than DLm, but they could both be based on the same technology. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: RES: Tape solutions for mainframe
The "former BUSTECH" is also claimed by OPTICA (the people who make converters and directors), for their z/VT product. It's a lot closer to the original BUSTECH than DLm, but they could both be based on the same technology. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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We use Visara's VTA. We migrated from Secureagent and was happy to do so. I am using it with z/OS, z/VM, z/VSE and even an old OS/390 systems. Tony Thigpen Radoslaw Skorupka wrote on 3/4/21 12:04 PM: Gentlemen, I'm trying update my knowledge about existing tape solutions for mainframe on the market (let's say z/OS, *not* Linux): 1. IBM TS7700 Real tapes only as VTS backend 2. STK/Sun/Oracle VSM what about T1? Is it still offered? (I mean new sale, not an upgrade or service) 3. EMC DLm (former BusTech) 4. Interkom Gmbh (I think it is based on Luminex solution) 5. Secureagent 6. Luminex (???) 7. Others? Fujitsu? -- Radoslaw Skorupka (looking for new job) Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Model9 בתאריך יום ה׳, 4 במרץ 2021, 19:35, מאת Bodra - Pessoal < 02eda2bc565a-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>: > 1. IBM TS7700 > Real tapes only as VTS backend - > > TS7760 has option to do not destage data to real tapes. All data stay in > VTS (as other vendors does). > > 2. STK/Sun/Oracle VSM > what about T1? Is it still offered? > (I mean new sale, not an upgrade or service) > > As I know Oracle is going out of Tape (real or VTS) as warranty or > maintenance agreements ends. > > 3. EMC DLm (former BusTech) > > It is live and well. Product is available for marketing. > > 4. Interkom Gmbh > (I think it is based on Luminex solution) > > Never listen about InterKom. > > 5. Secureagent > > I haven´t details about. > > 6. Luminex (???) > > Its is live and well. Product is available for marketing. They have an FTP > (File Transfer) option called MDI that speed up and make FTP secure. It is > based in their VTL solution. Different from IBM, EMC/DELL and Oracle that > uses own storage, with Luminex you can use virtually any FC or iSCSI > storage to be data repository for Luminex appliance. > > 7. Others? Fujitsu? > > I never listen about Fujitsu to has available a VTS, but Hitachi is > partner of Luminex. Luminex supply VTL appliance and Hitachi supply storage > to be used as repository data for Luminex appliance. > > > Carlos Bodra > IBM zEnterprise Certified > São Paulo – SP – Brazil > > > -Mensagem original- > De: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Em nome de > Radoslaw Skorupka > Enviada em: quinta-feira, 4 de março de 2021 14:05 > Para: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Assunto: Tape solutions for mainframe > > Gentlemen, > I'm trying update my knowledge about existing tape solutions for > mainframe on the market (let's say z/OS, *not* Linux): > > 1. IBM TS7700 > Real tapes only as VTS backend > > 2. STK/Sun/Oracle VSM > what about T1? Is it still offered? > (I mean new sale, not an upgrade or service) > > 3. EMC DLm (former BusTech) > > 4. Interkom Gmbh > (I think it is based on Luminex solution) > > 5. Secureagent > > 6. Luminex (???) > > 7. Others? Fujitsu? > > -- > Radoslaw Skorupka > (looking for new job) > Lodz, Poland > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
RES: Tape solutions for mainframe
1. IBM TS7700 Real tapes only as VTS backend - TS7760 has option to do not destage data to real tapes. All data stay in VTS (as other vendors does). 2. STK/Sun/Oracle VSM what about T1? Is it still offered? (I mean new sale, not an upgrade or service) As I know Oracle is going out of Tape (real or VTS) as warranty or maintenance agreements ends. 3. EMC DLm (former BusTech) It is live and well. Product is available for marketing. 4. Interkom Gmbh (I think it is based on Luminex solution) Never listen about InterKom. 5. Secureagent I haven´t details about. 6. Luminex (???) Its is live and well. Product is available for marketing. They have an FTP (File Transfer) option called MDI that speed up and make FTP secure. It is based in their VTL solution. Different from IBM, EMC/DELL and Oracle that uses own storage, with Luminex you can use virtually any FC or iSCSI storage to be data repository for Luminex appliance. 7. Others? Fujitsu? I never listen about Fujitsu to has available a VTS, but Hitachi is partner of Luminex. Luminex supply VTL appliance and Hitachi supply storage to be used as repository data for Luminex appliance. Carlos Bodra IBM zEnterprise Certified São Paulo – SP – Brazil -Mensagem original- De: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Em nome de Radoslaw Skorupka Enviada em: quinta-feira, 4 de março de 2021 14:05 Para: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Assunto: Tape solutions for mainframe Gentlemen, I'm trying update my knowledge about existing tape solutions for mainframe on the market (let's say z/OS, *not* Linux): 1. IBM TS7700 Real tapes only as VTS backend 2. STK/Sun/Oracle VSM what about T1? Is it still offered? (I mean new sale, not an upgrade or service) 3. EMC DLm (former BusTech) 4. Interkom Gmbh (I think it is based on Luminex solution) 5. Secureagent 6. Luminex (???) 7. Others? Fujitsu? -- Radoslaw Skorupka (looking for new job) Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Tape solutions for mainframe
Gentlemen, I'm trying update my knowledge about existing tape solutions for mainframe on the market (let's say z/OS, *not* Linux): 1. IBM TS7700 Real tapes only as VTS backend 2. STK/Sun/Oracle VSM what about T1? Is it still offered? (I mean new sale, not an upgrade or service) 3. EMC DLm (former BusTech) 4. Interkom Gmbh (I think it is based on Luminex solution) 5. Secureagent 6. Luminex (???) 7. Others? Fujitsu? -- Radoslaw Skorupka (looking for new job) Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
