Re: Words fail me!
> On 16 Nov 2021, at 5:55 am, zMan wrote: > > >> >> Neither "Unformatted System Services" nor "Unix System Services" has or > should have the word "screen". > I dunno, after the many, Many, MANY times we've gone round on this I *want *to > screen > + 100 >> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 12:32 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: >> >> Neither "Unformatted System Services" nor "Unix System Services" has or >> should have the word "screen". USS in VTAM determines the appropriate >> logmode for an unformatted logon. USS for TN3270 includes equivalent >> functionality; Unix System Services is what used to be MVS Open Edition in >> 1993, two decades after VTAM and USS. If there is an unformatted screen >> services it'sa not part of either VTAM or Unix. >> >> Of course, TN3270 includes the logon screen and Unix System Services >> includes 3270 support, but "screen" is still not part of the names, and >> never has been. >> >> The last I heard from IBM, USS was an official abbreviation for only >> Unformatted System Services. >> >> >> -- >> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz >> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 >> >> ________ >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf >> of Matt Hogstrom [m...@hogstrom.org] >> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 1:29 AM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: Words fail me! >> >> Unformatted System Services was used in VTAM to specify the screen and >> responses to uses to logon to formal VTAM sessions like TSO and CICS. >> >> USS was Unix System Services IIRC >> >> Matt Hogstrom >> PGP key 0F143BC1 >> >>>> On Nov 13, 2021, at 21:02, greg.pr...@optusnet.com.au wrote: >>> >>> Way back when (long before UNIX was added to MVS) the network sysprog >> told me that USS stood for Unformatted Screen Services. >>> >>> Years after that but years (decades?) ago, I noticed that some VTAM >> books were talking about UNIX System Services in a context completely >> unrelated to UNIX. >>> >>> I sent feedback that this was not the correct expansion of USS in this >> context. I expect others also did. References to UNIX were soon removed. >>> >>> But I wonder if that is why VTAM books talk about Unformatted System >> Services now - because they changed UNIX to Unformatted, but not System to >> Screen. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Greg >>> >>> -- >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > > > -- > zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it" > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Words fail me!
> Neither "Unformatted System Services" nor "Unix System Services" has or should have the word "screen". I dunno, after the many, Many, MANY times we've gone round on this I *want *to screen On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 12:32 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > Neither "Unformatted System Services" nor "Unix System Services" has or > should have the word "screen". USS in VTAM determines the appropriate > logmode for an unformatted logon. USS for TN3270 includes equivalent > functionality; Unix System Services is what used to be MVS Open Edition in > 1993, two decades after VTAM and USS. If there is an unformatted screen > services it'sa not part of either VTAM or Unix. > > Of course, TN3270 includes the logon screen and Unix System Services > includes 3270 support, but "screen" is still not part of the names, and > never has been. > > The last I heard from IBM, USS was an official abbreviation for only > Unformatted System Services. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf > of Matt Hogstrom [m...@hogstrom.org] > Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 1:29 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Words fail me! > > Unformatted System Services was used in VTAM to specify the screen and > responses to uses to logon to formal VTAM sessions like TSO and CICS. > > USS was Unix System Services IIRC > > Matt Hogstrom > PGP key 0F143BC1 > > > On Nov 13, 2021, at 21:02, greg.pr...@optusnet.com.au wrote: > > > > Way back when (long before UNIX was added to MVS) the network sysprog > told me that USS stood for Unformatted Screen Services. > > > > Years after that but years (decades?) ago, I noticed that some VTAM > books were talking about UNIX System Services in a context completely > unrelated to UNIX. > > > > I sent feedback that this was not the correct expansion of USS in this > context. I expect others also did. References to UNIX were soon removed. > > > > But I wonder if that is why VTAM books talk about Unformatted System > Services now - because they changed UNIX to Unformatted, but not System to > Screen. > > > > Cheers, > > Greg > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it" -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Words fail me!
Neither "Unformatted System Services" nor "Unix System Services" has or should have the word "screen". USS in VTAM determines the appropriate logmode for an unformatted logon. USS for TN3270 includes equivalent functionality; Unix System Services is what used to be MVS Open Edition in 1993, two decades after VTAM and USS. If there is an unformatted screen services it'sa not part of either VTAM or Unix. Of course, TN3270 includes the logon screen and Unix System Services includes 3270 support, but "screen" is still not part of the names, and never has been. The last I heard from IBM, USS was an official abbreviation for only Unformatted System Services. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Matt Hogstrom [m...@hogstrom.org] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 1:29 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Words fail me! Unformatted System Services was used in VTAM to specify the screen and responses to uses to logon to formal VTAM sessions like TSO and CICS. USS was Unix System Services IIRC Matt Hogstrom PGP key 0F143BC1 > On Nov 13, 2021, at 21:02, greg.pr...@optusnet.com.au wrote: > > Way back when (long before UNIX was added to MVS) the network sysprog told > me that USS stood for Unformatted Screen Services. > > Years after that but years (decades?) ago, I noticed that some VTAM books > were talking about UNIX System Services in a context completely unrelated to > UNIX. > > I sent feedback that this was not the correct expansion of USS in this > context. I expect others also did. References to UNIX were soon removed. > > But I wonder if that is why VTAM books talk about Unformatted System Services > now - because they changed UNIX to Unformatted, but not System to Screen. > > Cheers, > Greg > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Words fail me!
Prior to IBM introducing OMVS to z/OS, the term USS was used by VTAM as the acronym for Unformatted System Services. Once OMVS was introduced, I do seem to remember a bit of discussion on the use of USS, as VTAM folks used it, and it was starting to be used by the folks pushing for more use of the Unix side of the house. I'm not as involved in discussions here, as I used to be, so I do not know where things stand from the VTAM and OMVS groups. Peter On Sat, 13 Nov 2021 22:29:14 -0800, Matt Hogstrom wrote: >Unformatted System Services was used in VTAM to specify the screen and >responses to uses to logon to formal VTAM sessions like TSO and CICS. > >USS was Unix System Services IIRC > >Matt Hogstrom >PGP key 0F143BC1 > >> On Nov 13, 2021, at 21:02, greg.pr...@optusnet.com.au wrote: >> >> Way back when (long before UNIX was added to MVS) the network sysprog told >> me that USS stood for Unformatted Screen Services. >> >> Years after that but years (decades?) ago, I noticed that some VTAM books >> were talking about UNIX System Services in a context completely unrelated to >> UNIX. >> >> I sent feedback that this was not the correct expansion of USS in this >> context. I expect others also did. References to UNIX were soon removed. >> >> But I wonder if that is why VTAM books talk about Unformatted System >> Services now - because they changed UNIX to Unformatted, but not System to >> Screen. >> >> Cheers, >> Greg >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Words fail me!
Unformatted System Services was used in VTAM to specify the screen and responses to uses to logon to formal VTAM sessions like TSO and CICS. USS was Unix System Services IIRC Matt Hogstrom PGP key 0F143BC1 > On Nov 13, 2021, at 21:02, greg.pr...@optusnet.com.au wrote: > > Way back when (long before UNIX was added to MVS) the network sysprog told > me that USS stood for Unformatted Screen Services. > > Years after that but years (decades?) ago, I noticed that some VTAM books > were talking about UNIX System Services in a context completely unrelated to > UNIX. > > I sent feedback that this was not the correct expansion of USS in this > context. I expect others also did. References to UNIX were soon removed. > > But I wonder if that is why VTAM books talk about Unformatted System Services > now - because they changed UNIX to Unformatted, but not System to Screen. > > Cheers, > Greg > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Words fail me!
Way back when (long before UNIX was added to MVS) the network sysprog told me that USS stood for Unformatted Screen Services. Years after that but years (decades?) ago, I noticed that some VTAM books were talking about UNIX System Services in a context completely unrelated to UNIX. I sent feedback that this was not the correct expansion of USS in this context. I expect others also did. References to UNIX were soon removed. But I wonder if that is why VTAM books talk about Unformatted System Services now - because they changed UNIX to Unformatted, but not System to Screen. Cheers, Greg -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Words fail me!
Shmuel wrote about someone "spelling out" bind wrongly. That is a doozy! We had a tech writer-supposedly experienced-who we had to stop from "fixing" things like "userid" and "fileid" (this was on a VM product). She wanted "CP QUERY USER ID" and "Enter file ID" and like that. No, just no. But I think your BIND case is worse. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Words fail me!
I've seen some doozies, but this takes the cake. Anyone else have an example of a author blindly assuming that an upper case word needs to be explained with a totally wrong expansion? Yes, There is a Berkeley Internet Name Domain (BIND), but it has nothing to do with logical units or even SNA . Feh! Independent Logical Units (ILU) XCOM Data Transport supports Independent Units (IUs). An IU is a logical unit that can generate sessions independent of the host. An IU also meets the following criteria: Utilizes LU 6.2. Works on top of PU 2.1 Functions as a primary logical unit and therefore can send a Berkeley Internet Name Domain (BIND). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
