Re: catalog doubt

[Blake, Daniel J [CTR]]

Ya know, I almost replied but read the whole post and realized it was a tongue 
in cheek statement.

;-D an


On: 06 January 2018 12:43, "Beverly Caldwell" <star2015...@gmail.com> wrote:
OK OK OK Take a joke can you? Or is that not allowed on this board?  I was
being somewhat facetious. I was referring to IBM's tendency to surround
everything they do with some sort of mystical complexity.

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 8:47 PM, Ron hawkins <ronjhawk...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

> Kirk,
>
> Auribus teneo lupum.
>
> Sharing SMS managed outside of SMS is on the cardinal sins of SMS.
>
> It is more than just aid to allocation, but also an enabler of function.
> If your LPAR doesn't read the NVR, then your open is dead in the water,
> right?
>
> Ron
>
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> Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] catalog doubt
>
> What is a catalog?. It's a list of files and where they can be found. What
> is SMS management? It's basically an aid to allocation. Simple right? NO
> We're IBM and nothing is allowed to be that simple.
>
> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 11:13 AM, Kirk Wolf <k...@dovetail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Beverly Caldwell
> > <star2015...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > ..
> > > Now if you really like banging your head against a brick wall, try
> > dealing
> > > with datasets which are SMS managed on one LPAR but are not
> > > cataloged to the LPAR you are on. If you want to access those you
> > > really will have fun and you'll be wondering why on earth you got
> > > into this mainframe cr/\p in the first place.
> > >
> > > You are exactly right, Beverly!   I had to deal with this recently and
> it
> > was a major PITA.   Its like IBM never considered all of the real-world
> use
> > cases.
> >
> > Kirk Wolf
> > Dovetailed Technologies
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> >
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Re: catalog doubt

[Beverly Caldwell]

OK OK OK Take a joke can you? Or is that not allowed on this board?  I was
being somewhat facetious. I was referring to IBM's tendency to surround
everything they do with some sort of mystical complexity.

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 8:47 PM, Ron hawkins <ronjhawk...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

> Kirk,
>
> Auribus teneo lupum.
>
> Sharing SMS managed outside of SMS is on the cardinal sins of SMS.
>
> It is more than just aid to allocation, but also an enabler of function.
> If your LPAR doesn't read the NVR, then your open is dead in the water,
> right?
>
> Ron
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Beverly Caldwell
> Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 1:28 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] catalog doubt
>
> What is a catalog?. It's a list of files and where they can be found. What
> is SMS management? It's basically an aid to allocation. Simple right? NO
> We're IBM and nothing is allowed to be that simple.
>
> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 11:13 AM, Kirk Wolf <k...@dovetail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Beverly Caldwell
> > <star2015...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > ..
> > > Now if you really like banging your head against a brick wall, try
> > dealing
> > > with datasets which are SMS managed on one LPAR but are not
> > > cataloged to the LPAR you are on. If you want to access those you
> > > really will have fun and you'll be wondering why on earth you got
> > > into this mainframe cr/\p in the first place.
> > >
> > > You are exactly right, Beverly!   I had to deal with this recently and
> it
> > was a major PITA.   Its like IBM never considered all of the real-world
> use
> > cases.
> >
> > Kirk Wolf
> > Dovetailed Technologies
> > http://dovetail.com
> >
> > >
> > >
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Re: catalog doubt

[Ron hawkins]

Kirk,

Auribus teneo lupum.

Sharing SMS managed outside of SMS is on the cardinal sins of SMS.

It is more than just aid to allocation, but also an enabler of function. If 
your LPAR doesn't read the NVR, then your open is dead in the water, right?

Ron

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Beverly Caldwell
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 1:28 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] catalog doubt

What is a catalog?. It's a list of files and where they can be found. What is 
SMS management? It's basically an aid to allocation. Simple right? NO We're IBM 
and nothing is allowed to be that simple.

On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 11:13 AM, Kirk Wolf <k...@dovetail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Beverly Caldwell 
> <star2015...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > ..
> > Now if you really like banging your head against a brick wall, try
> dealing
> > with datasets which are SMS managed on one LPAR but are not 
> > cataloged to the LPAR you are on. If you want to access those you 
> > really will have fun and you'll be wondering why on earth you got 
> > into this mainframe cr/\p in the first place.
> >
> > You are exactly right, Beverly!   I had to deal with this recently and it
> was a major PITA.   Its like IBM never considered all of the real-world use
> cases.
>
> Kirk Wolf
> Dovetailed Technologies
> http://dovetail.com
>
> >
> >
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Re: catalog doubt

[Beverly Caldwell]

What is a catalog?. It's a list of files and where they can be found. What
is SMS management? It's basically an aid to allocation. Simple right? NO
We're IBM and nothing is allowed to be that simple.

On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 11:13 AM, Kirk Wolf  wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Beverly Caldwell 
> wrote:
>
> > ..
> > Now if you really like banging your head against a brick wall, try
> dealing
> > with datasets which are SMS managed on one LPAR but are not cataloged to
> > the LPAR you are on. If you want to access those you really will have fun
> > and you'll be wondering why on earth you got into this mainframe cr/\p in
> > the first place.
> >
> > You are exactly right, Beverly!   I had to deal with this recently and it
> was a major PITA.   Its like IBM never considered all of the real-world use
> cases.
>
> Kirk Wolf
> Dovetailed Technologies
> http://dovetail.com
>
> >
> >
>
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Re: catalog doubt

[Kirk Wolf]

On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Beverly Caldwell 
wrote:

> ..
> Now if you really like banging your head against a brick wall, try dealing
> with datasets which are SMS managed on one LPAR but are not cataloged to
> the LPAR you are on. If you want to access those you really will have fun
> and you'll be wondering why on earth you got into this mainframe cr/\p in
> the first place.
>
> You are exactly right, Beverly!   I had to deal with this recently and it
was a major PITA.   Its like IBM never considered all of the real-world use
cases.

Kirk Wolf
Dovetailed Technologies
http://dovetail.com

>
>

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Re: catalog doubt

[johnnydeep san]

@ Mike  I define alias again in new system as you suggest my issue got
resolved.  thanks !!.   Appreciate  Lizeete  and Baverly  for your time .

On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 2:08 PM, Beverly Caldwell 
wrote:

> Well, for someone who is new to the mainframe you certainly chose a deep
> pool to jump into. Messing with catalogs is always fun. There's a great
> vendor product available which will allow you to do almost anything with
> foreign catalogs, I can't just remember its name but I'm sure someone else
> will help you out.
>
> Now if you really like banging your head against a brick wall, try dealing
> with datasets which are SMS managed on one LPAR but are not cataloged to
> the LPAR you are on. If you want to access those you really will have fun
> and you'll be wondering why on earth you got into this mainframe cr/\p in
> the first place.
>
> On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 7:13 PM, johnnydeep san 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > i have XYZ dataset's (vsam and non-vsam) files on SYSA under usercatlog
> > "SYSA.ADCDCAT.TEST" . I would like to use all XYZ datasets on SYSB.
> >
> > I ran import connect job on SYSB after sharing the same volume's where
> XYZ
> > are resides.But i could not fetch the datasets on new system directly ,
> it
> > shows "NO data set names found" . I can fetch it only by giving volume
> > serial along with datasetname on 3.4 . Did i'm miss any anything ?. I
> have
> > create alias user01 for SYSA.ADCDCAT.TEST on sysa. should i create the
> same
> > alias again on sysB as well? .  please guide me ,i'm new to mainframe
> > environment .
> >
> >
> > Note: I'm uisng RDZ  not real mainframe box .
> >
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Re: catalog doubt

[Beverly Caldwell]

Well, for someone who is new to the mainframe you certainly chose a deep
pool to jump into. Messing with catalogs is always fun. There's a great
vendor product available which will allow you to do almost anything with
foreign catalogs, I can't just remember its name but I'm sure someone else
will help you out.

Now if you really like banging your head against a brick wall, try dealing
with datasets which are SMS managed on one LPAR but are not cataloged to
the LPAR you are on. If you want to access those you really will have fun
and you'll be wondering why on earth you got into this mainframe cr/\p in
the first place.

On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 7:13 PM, johnnydeep san 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> i have XYZ dataset's (vsam and non-vsam) files on SYSA under usercatlog
> "SYSA.ADCDCAT.TEST" . I would like to use all XYZ datasets on SYSB.
>
> I ran import connect job on SYSB after sharing the same volume's where XYZ
> are resides.But i could not fetch the datasets on new system directly , it
> shows "NO data set names found" . I can fetch it only by giving volume
> serial along with datasetname on 3.4 . Did i'm miss any anything ?. I have
> create alias user01 for SYSA.ADCDCAT.TEST on sysa. should i create the same
> alias again on sysB as well? .  please guide me ,i'm new to mainframe
> environment .
>
>
> Note: I'm uisng RDZ  not real mainframe box .
>
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Re: catalog doubt

[Lizette Koehler]

Johnny it looks like you asked similar questions back in Nov.

We need to understand your configuration better in order to help.

1) Is the Master cat different between the systems you are working with/

2) is the HLQ in a usercat?  If yes, then answer the following 4 questions

3) Is the user cat available to both systems?

4) What libraries are in the Usercat?

5) Any PDS/E datasets that are in the usercat?  PDS/E cannot be share across 
SYSPLEX environments

6) Are SYSA and SYSB in a sysplex?  Or are they monoplexes?

Lizette



> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of johnnydeep san
> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 6:13 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: catalog doubt
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> i have XYZ dataset's (vsam and non-vsam) files on SYSA under usercatlog
> "SYSA.ADCDCAT.TEST" . I would like to use all XYZ datasets on SYSB.
> 
> I ran import connect job on SYSB after sharing the same volume's where XYZ
> are resides.But i could not fetch the datasets on new system directly , it
> shows "NO data set names found" . I can fetch it only by giving volume serial
> along with datasetname on 3.4 . Did i'm miss any anything ?. I have create
> alias user01 for SYSA.ADCDCAT.TEST on sysa. should i create the same alias
> again on sysB as well? .  please guide me ,i'm new to mainframe environment .
> 
> 
> Note: I'm uisng RDZ  not real mainframe box .
> 

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Re: catalog doubt

[Mike Schwab]

You must use DEFINE ALIAS for every mainframe master catalog you want
to use it from.

On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 7:13 PM, johnnydeep san
 wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> i have XYZ dataset's (vsam and non-vsam) files on SYSA under usercatlog
> "SYSA.ADCDCAT.TEST" . I would like to use all XYZ datasets on SYSB.
>
> I ran import connect job on SYSB after sharing the same volume's where XYZ
> are resides.But i could not fetch the datasets on new system directly , it
> shows "NO data set names found" . I can fetch it only by giving volume
> serial along with datasetname on 3.4 . Did i'm miss any anything ?. I have
> create alias user01 for SYSA.ADCDCAT.TEST on sysa. should i create the same
> alias again on sysB as well? .  please guide me ,i'm new to mainframe
> environment .
>
>
> Note: I'm uisng RDZ  not real mainframe box .
>
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catalog doubt

[johnnydeep san]

Hi all,

i have XYZ dataset's (vsam and non-vsam) files on SYSA under usercatlog
"SYSA.ADCDCAT.TEST" . I would like to use all XYZ datasets on SYSB.

I ran import connect job on SYSB after sharing the same volume's where XYZ
are resides.But i could not fetch the datasets on new system directly , it
shows "NO data set names found" . I can fetch it only by giving volume
serial along with datasetname on 3.4 . Did i'm miss any anything ?. I have
create alias user01 for SYSA.ADCDCAT.TEST on sysa. should i create the same
alias again on sysB as well? .  please guide me ,i'm new to mainframe
environment .


Note: I'm uisng RDZ  not real mainframe box .

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