Re: z/OS v2R5 TN3270 Changes
Uh oh... I sent you a reply yesterday. Do you have a spam folder? Am I spam? :) On 4/2/2022 9:35 PM, Brian Westerman wrote: Tom, How do I get a copy of the new test version? Brian On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 22:10:08 -0700, Tom Brennan wrote: Thanks, Vista TN3270 V1.27 from 2014 uses old openssl libraries that only support up to TLS1.2, but I do have a test version with newer libraries that connects via TLS1.3 (thanks to some recent help from the CBT Tape folks). On 4/1/2022 9:16 PM, Brian Westerman wrote: Some of our clients were using the older Mocha, we found from Mochasoft that they had to use version 2.3 (from 2015) or above, version 2.4 (from 2016) was the "preferred" lower limit from mochasoft. Some of the clients were able to get a "free" update tot he current version, but that was back in 2020 so it may no longer be available in that way. However, a company license is only $299 US, so for the cost of basically 10 copies, you get a license for an unlimited number of users at your company. I still think that VISTA (from Tom Brennan) is much better though. At the time we did a study of what tn3270 clients were able to be used with AT/TLS and there were (I think) about 8 that actually worked, some of them were extremely expensive and I think 1 or 2 were even free or at least free for personal use, but it's been two years so things may have changed. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN . -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN . -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2R5 TN3270 Changes
Crossover makes it very easy to install applications in Wine. It can also install applications into different wine instances. There is a 30 day trial available. https://www.codeweavers.com/crossover -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Sent: Apr 4, 2022 9:16 AM To: Subject: Re: z/OS v2R5 TN3270 Changes https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-install-wine-on-ubuntu-20-04/ On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 11:49 AM Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw wrote: > > Mike, > > I am interested in running Vista 3270 in my Ubuntu system. > Are there any instructions for what I need to do to get this working? > I have no experience with Wine. > > Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw > https://rsclweb.com > ‘Dance like no one is watching. Encrypt like everyone is.’ > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mike Schwab > Sent: 02 April 2022 14:11 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: z/OS v2R5 TN3270 Changes > > Vista runs fine under Wine. > > On Sat, Apr 2, 2022 at 1:01 PM Jay Maynard wrote: > > > > Mochasoft is really good about updates. I had purchased their TN5250 > > package more than 10 years ago, and got a free update recently. I was > > so impressed I bought their TN3270, too. > > > > I'd love to compare it to Vista, but I refuse to run Windows... > > > > On Fri, Apr 1, 2022, 23:16 Brian Westerman > > > > wrote: > > > > > Some of our clients were using the older Mocha, we found from > > > Mochasoft that they had to use version 2.3 (from 2015) or above, > > > version 2.4 (from > > > 2016) was the "preferred" lower limit from mochasoft. Some of the > > > clients were able to get a "free" update tot he current version, but > > > that was back in 2020 so it may no longer be available in that way. > > > > > > However, a company license is only $299 US, so for the cost of > > > basically > > > 10 copies, you get a license for an unlimited number of users at > > > your company. > > > > > > I still think that VISTA (from Tom Brennan) is much better though. > > > > > > At the time we did a study of what tn3270 clients were able to be > > > used with AT/TLS and there were (I think) about 8 that actually > > > worked, some of them were extremely expensive and I think 1 or 2 > > > were even free or at least free for personal use, but it's been two years > > > so things may have changed. > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > > > IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA > Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to > lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2R5 TN3270 Changes
https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-install-wine-on-ubuntu-20-04/ On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 11:49 AM Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw <032fff1be9b4-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > Mike, > > I am interested in running Vista 3270 in my Ubuntu system. > Are there any instructions for what I need to do to get this working? > I have no experience with Wine. > > Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw > https://rsclweb.com > ‘Dance like no one is watching. Encrypt like everyone is.’ > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of > Mike Schwab > Sent: 02 April 2022 14:11 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: z/OS v2R5 TN3270 Changes > > Vista runs fine under Wine. > > On Sat, Apr 2, 2022 at 1:01 PM Jay Maynard wrote: > > > > Mochasoft is really good about updates. I had purchased their TN5250 > > package more than 10 years ago, and got a free update recently. I was > > so impressed I bought their TN3270, too. > > > > I'd love to compare it to Vista, but I refuse to run Windows... > > > > On Fri, Apr 1, 2022, 23:16 Brian Westerman > > > > wrote: > > > > > Some of our clients were using the older Mocha, we found from > > > Mochasoft that they had to use version 2.3 (from 2015) or above, > > > version 2.4 (from > > > 2016) was the "preferred" lower limit from mochasoft. Some of the > > > clients were able to get a "free" update tot he current version, but > > > that was back in 2020 so it may no longer be available in that way. > > > > > > However, a company license is only $299 US, so for the cost of > > > basically > > > 10 copies, you get a license for an unlimited number of users at > > > your company. > > > > > > I still think that VISTA (from Tom Brennan) is much better though. > > > > > > At the time we did a study of what tn3270 clients were able to be > > > used with AT/TLS and there were (I think) about 8 that actually > > > worked, some of them were extremely expensive and I think 1 or 2 > > > were even free or at least free for personal use, but it's been two years > > > so things may have changed. > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > > > IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA > Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to > lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2R5 TN3270 Changes
Mike, I am interested in running Vista 3270 in my Ubuntu system. Are there any instructions for what I need to do to get this working? I have no experience with Wine. Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw https://rsclweb.com ‘Dance like no one is watching. Encrypt like everyone is.’ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mike Schwab Sent: 02 April 2022 14:11 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/OS v2R5 TN3270 Changes Vista runs fine under Wine. On Sat, Apr 2, 2022 at 1:01 PM Jay Maynard wrote: > > Mochasoft is really good about updates. I had purchased their TN5250 > package more than 10 years ago, and got a free update recently. I was > so impressed I bought their TN3270, too. > > I'd love to compare it to Vista, but I refuse to run Windows... > > On Fri, Apr 1, 2022, 23:16 Brian Westerman > > wrote: > > > Some of our clients were using the older Mocha, we found from > > Mochasoft that they had to use version 2.3 (from 2015) or above, > > version 2.4 (from > > 2016) was the "preferred" lower limit from mochasoft. Some of the > > clients were able to get a "free" update tot he current version, but > > that was back in 2020 so it may no longer be available in that way. > > > > However, a company license is only $299 US, so for the cost of > > basically > > 10 copies, you get a license for an unlimited number of users at > > your company. > > > > I still think that VISTA (from Tom Brennan) is much better though. > > > > At the time we did a study of what tn3270 clients were able to be > > used with AT/TLS and there were (I think) about 8 that actually > > worked, some of them were extremely expensive and I think 1 or 2 > > were even free or at least free for personal use, but it's been two years > > so things may have changed. > > > > Brian > > > > > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > > IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2R5 TN3270 Changes
Greetings, Thank You all for participating in these discussions and really appreciated it for your time and expertise. - I am certain it would be an challenge to get Corp Mgmt agree on switching to new Emulator software.- I use IBM Personnel Communications myself but the majority of the Corporate uses Mocha. Thank You Tom for sharing your extremely well written documentation. Thank You again,Regards,Jasi Grewal. On Saturday, April 2, 2022, 10:59:51 a.m. EDT, Tom Conley wrote: Grab my session "Top 11 Things You Should Be Doing to Secure Your z/OS System - 2018 Edition at https://www.newera.com/INFO/Top_11_Things_032018.pdf. One of the items is a soup-to-nuts checklist for installing AT-TLS in a few hours. Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns. -- Regards, Tom Conley -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2R5 TN3270 Changes
Tom, How do I get a copy of the new test version? Brian On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 22:10:08 -0700, Tom Brennan wrote: >Thanks, Vista TN3270 V1.27 from 2014 uses old openssl libraries that >only support up to TLS1.2, but I do have a test version with newer >libraries that connects via TLS1.3 (thanks to some recent help from the >CBT Tape folks). > >On 4/1/2022 9:16 PM, Brian Westerman wrote: >> Some of our clients were using the older Mocha, we found from Mochasoft that >> they had to use version 2.3 (from 2015) or above, version 2.4 (from 2016) >> was the "preferred" lower limit from mochasoft. Some of the clients were >> able to get a "free" update tot he current version, but that was back in >> 2020 so it may no longer be available in that way. >> >> However, a company license is only $299 US, so for the cost of basically 10 >> copies, you get a license for an unlimited number of users at your company. >> >> I still think that VISTA (from Tom Brennan) is much better though. >> >> At the time we did a study of what tn3270 clients were able to be used with >> AT/TLS and there were (I think) about 8 that actually worked, some of them >> were extremely expensive and I think 1 or 2 were even free or at least free >> for personal use, but it's been two years so things may have changed. >> >> Brian >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> . >> > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2R5 TN3270 Changes
Grab my session "Top 11 Things You Should Be Doing to Secure Your z/OS System - 2018 Edition at https://www.newera.com/INFO/Top_11_Things_032018.pdf. One of the items is a soup-to-nuts checklist for installing AT-TLS in a few hours. Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns. -- Regards, Tom Conley -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2R5 TN3270 Changes
We use Rocket’s TE (formerly Bluezone) with AT-TLS but do not use mutual authentication. Works well. On Fri, Apr 1, 2022 at 9:45 AM Jasi Grewal < 040674ae00fc-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Greetings, > As most of you must be aware that TN3270 server at z/OS V2R5 does not > support the use of the nativeSSL/TLS as it must be configured to use AT-TLS. > I am aware that all FTP Server would have to use AT-TLS under z/OS v2r5 as > well. > This brings up the question if anyone has done Testing under z/OS v2r5 > using Mocha Emulator at release of v1.8 as it only allows SSL option. I > understand the later release supports certificates options and we are > trying to determine, if we would have to ask all our Company users to > upgrade their Mocha to latest release or we use v1.8 of Mocha. > I understand that Personal Communications, would have to make changes to > Security Tab to access host. > I would be interested in any information in regards to testing and usage > of Emulators under z/OS v2r5. > Thank You in advance,Regards,Jasi Grewal. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Michael Babcock OneMain Financial z/OS Systems Programmer, Lead -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2R5 TN3270 Changes
Vista runs fine under Wine. On Sat, Apr 2, 2022 at 1:01 PM Jay Maynard wrote: > > Mochasoft is really good about updates. I had purchased their TN5250 > package more than 10 years ago, and got a free update recently. I was so > impressed I bought their TN3270, too. > > I'd love to compare it to Vista, but I refuse to run Windows... > > On Fri, Apr 1, 2022, 23:16 Brian Westerman > wrote: > > > Some of our clients were using the older Mocha, we found from Mochasoft > > that they had to use version 2.3 (from 2015) or above, version 2.4 (from > > 2016) was the "preferred" lower limit from mochasoft. Some of the clients > > were able to get a "free" update tot he current version, but that was back > > in 2020 so it may no longer be available in that way. > > > > However, a company license is only $299 US, so for the cost of basically > > 10 copies, you get a license for an unlimited number of users at your > > company. > > > > I still think that VISTA (from Tom Brennan) is much better though. > > > > At the time we did a study of what tn3270 clients were able to be used > > with AT/TLS and there were (I think) about 8 that actually worked, some of > > them were extremely expensive and I think 1 or 2 were even free or at least > > free for personal use, but it's been two years so things may have changed. > > > > Brian > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2R5 TN3270 Changes
Mochasoft is really good about updates. I had purchased their TN5250 package more than 10 years ago, and got a free update recently. I was so impressed I bought their TN3270, too. I'd love to compare it to Vista, but I refuse to run Windows... On Fri, Apr 1, 2022, 23:16 Brian Westerman wrote: > Some of our clients were using the older Mocha, we found from Mochasoft > that they had to use version 2.3 (from 2015) or above, version 2.4 (from > 2016) was the "preferred" lower limit from mochasoft. Some of the clients > were able to get a "free" update tot he current version, but that was back > in 2020 so it may no longer be available in that way. > > However, a company license is only $299 US, so for the cost of basically > 10 copies, you get a license for an unlimited number of users at your > company. > > I still think that VISTA (from Tom Brennan) is much better though. > > At the time we did a study of what tn3270 clients were able to be used > with AT/TLS and there were (I think) about 8 that actually worked, some of > them were extremely expensive and I think 1 or 2 were even free or at least > free for personal use, but it's been two years so things may have changed. > > Brian > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2R5 TN3270 Changes
Thanks, Vista TN3270 V1.27 from 2014 uses old openssl libraries that only support up to TLS1.2, but I do have a test version with newer libraries that connects via TLS1.3 (thanks to some recent help from the CBT Tape folks). On 4/1/2022 9:16 PM, Brian Westerman wrote: Some of our clients were using the older Mocha, we found from Mochasoft that they had to use version 2.3 (from 2015) or above, version 2.4 (from 2016) was the "preferred" lower limit from mochasoft. Some of the clients were able to get a "free" update tot he current version, but that was back in 2020 so it may no longer be available in that way. However, a company license is only $299 US, so for the cost of basically 10 copies, you get a license for an unlimited number of users at your company. I still think that VISTA (from Tom Brennan) is much better though. At the time we did a study of what tn3270 clients were able to be used with AT/TLS and there were (I think) about 8 that actually worked, some of them were extremely expensive and I think 1 or 2 were even free or at least free for personal use, but it's been two years so things may have changed. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN . -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS v2R5 TN3270 Changes
Some of our clients were using the older Mocha, we found from Mochasoft that they had to use version 2.3 (from 2015) or above, version 2.4 (from 2016) was the "preferred" lower limit from mochasoft. Some of the clients were able to get a "free" update tot he current version, but that was back in 2020 so it may no longer be available in that way. However, a company license is only $299 US, so for the cost of basically 10 copies, you get a license for an unlimited number of users at your company. I still think that VISTA (from Tom Brennan) is much better though. At the time we did a study of what tn3270 clients were able to be used with AT/TLS and there were (I think) about 8 that actually worked, some of them were extremely expensive and I think 1 or 2 were even free or at least free for personal use, but it's been two years so things may have changed. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
z/OS v2R5 TN3270 Changes
Greetings, As most of you must be aware that TN3270 server at z/OS V2R5 does not support the use of the nativeSSL/TLS as it must be configured to use AT-TLS. I am aware that all FTP Server would have to use AT-TLS under z/OS v2r5 as well. This brings up the question if anyone has done Testing under z/OS v2r5 using Mocha Emulator at release of v1.8 as it only allows SSL option. I understand the later release supports certificates options and we are trying to determine, if we would have to ask all our Company users to upgrade their Mocha to latest release or we use v1.8 of Mocha. I understand that Personal Communications, would have to make changes to Security Tab to access host. I would be interested in any information in regards to testing and usage of Emulators under z/OS v2r5. Thank You in advance,Regards,Jasi Grewal. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
