Re: z13 unanswered question.
If there are z13 models not listed in the earlier LSPR link, then why aren't they there? Or did I miss them? Again, the lowest z13 MSU I saw was about double what I need and on a bloody uniprocessor. I am z/OS and will be until its turned off. My most critical z/OS software comes from a vendor totally un-amenable to sub-capacity charging. And, yes, I do know that there are a couple z12 models that fit. I am only currently whining about the z13 :) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Timothy Sipples Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:02 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z13 unanswered question. Dave Gibney writes: This could then be a problem for me. Phil Smith wrote: IBM said there will be no EC/BC distinction. Part of this announcement is simplification-no EC/BC, no System z vs. zEnterprise. This is a good thing. Dave, I like what Phil wrote. Take a look at what he wrote and also what he didn't write. As a random observation, Apple offers their iPhone 6 in several different configurations varying in storage (16, 64, and 128GB), color, and (in a few cases) localization (e.g. Wi-Fi frequencies vary a bit). They're all Apple iPhone 6 smartphones. They are not iPhone 6EC (Except China), iPhone 6WJ (Wi-Fi Japan), or iPhone 6SC (Saudi Compliant) smartphones. Apple recently (within the past couple weeks) introduced a SIM-free/unlocked iPhone 6 in the United States. That, too, is an iPhone 6. It's neither an iPhone 6SF nor an iPhone 6BC (Before Calling, insert SIM). They're all iPhone 6 smartphones. IBM has many, many configurations of z13, zBC12, and zEC12 servers available to order today, for purchase or lease, tailored to your specific needs. In terms of physical model choices we currently offer the following: Machine Type 2964 Models N30, N63, N96, NC9, NE1 Machine Type 2828 Models H06, H13 Machine Type 2827 Models H20, H43, H66, H89, HA1 At least one of these configurations would be a superb choice for your machine upgrade, today. Just contact your friendly IBM representative, or drop me a note if you don't know who that person is. IBM has announced general availability (GA) of Machine Type 2964 for March 9, 2015, though (as noted in the announcement letter) a few optional features have later planned GA dates. I'm confident IBM will introduce new models, configurations, and features into the indefinite future, and I'm confident you'll also have great upgrade choices in the future, too. --- - Timothy Sipples IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM z Systems, AP/GCG/MEA E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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It again looks like small customers are becoming less and less interesting for IBM. We have not-so-big z196's now, we could do with a z12BC's and probably the smallest z13 will be vastly oversized for us. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Gibney, Dave Sent: 16 January, 2015 9:54 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z13 unanswered question. If there are z13 models not listed in the earlier LSPR link, then why aren't they there? Or did I miss them? Again, the lowest z13 MSU I saw was about double what I need and on a bloody uniprocessor. I am z/OS and will be until its turned off. My most critical z/OS software comes from a vendor totally un-amenable to sub-capacity charging. And, yes, I do know that there are a couple z12 models that fit. I am only currently whining about the z13 :) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Timothy Sipples Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:02 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z13 unanswered question. Dave Gibney writes: This could then be a problem for me. Phil Smith wrote: IBM said there will be no EC/BC distinction. Part of this announcement is simplification-no EC/BC, no System z vs. zEnterprise. This is a good thing. Dave, I like what Phil wrote. Take a look at what he wrote and also what he didn't write. As a random observation, Apple offers their iPhone 6 in several different configurations varying in storage (16, 64, and 128GB), color, and (in a few cases) localization (e.g. Wi-Fi frequencies vary a bit). They're all Apple iPhone 6 smartphones. They are not iPhone 6EC (Except China), iPhone 6WJ (Wi-Fi Japan), or iPhone 6SC (Saudi Compliant) smartphones. Apple recently (within the past couple weeks) introduced a SIM-free/unlocked iPhone 6 in the United States. That, too, is an iPhone 6. It's neither an iPhone 6SF nor an iPhone 6BC (Before Calling, insert SIM). They're all iPhone 6 smartphones. IBM has many, many configurations of z13, zBC12, and zEC12 servers available to order today, for purchase or lease, tailored to your specific needs. In terms of physical model choices we currently offer the following: Machine Type 2964 Models N30, N63, N96, NC9, NE1 Machine Type 2828 Models H06, H13 Machine Type 2827 Models H20, H43, H66, H89, HA1 At least one of these configurations would be a superb choice for your machine upgrade, today. Just contact your friendly IBM representative, or drop me a note if you don't know who that person is. IBM has announced general availability (GA) of Machine Type 2964 for March 9, 2015, though (as noted in the announcement letter) a few optional features have later planned GA dates. I'm confident IBM will introduce new models, configurations, and features into the indefinite future, and I'm confident you'll also have great upgrade choices in the future, too. --- - Timothy Sipples IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM z Systems, AP/GCG/MEA E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z13 unanswered question.
My observation is that IBM has a history of updating the IBM LSPR in timely fashion to list all currently available z System capacity models. The IBM LSPR also includes previously available capacity models going back a few model generations. I expect IBM will continue updating its LSPR into the indefinite future. As an unrelated personal observation, Apple also does a good job updating its Web site. When the iPhone 6 was introduced in September, 2014, they updated their Web site to include information on all the iPhone 6 configurations they introduced then. When Apple introduced another iPhone 6 configuration in January, 2015, they updated their Web site again. They're quite amazing. Kees Vernooij wrote: It again looks like small customers are becoming less and less interesting for IBM. Your guess is 180 degrees wrong. Timothy Sipples IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM z Systems, AP/GCG/MEA E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Fri, 16 Jan 2015 19:27:50 +0800, Timothy Sipples sipp...@sg.ibm.com wrote: Kees Vernooij wrote: It again looks like small customers are becoming less and less interesting for IBM. Your guess is 180 degrees wrong. I hope you're right. I believe there's a good number of sub-100 MSU customers out there. And software costs per unit of capacity are highest for those customers. Dealing with that situation would be a good step to addressing those customer's concerns and keeping them in the fold. (Important since the small customers are probably most likely to be able to complete a migration to a new platform.) Hopefully IBM releases 1xx, 2xx, and 3xx capacity settings in the not too-distant future. Perhaps they didn't announce them immediately because they expect to need their manufacturing capacity to satisfy the demand for larger capacity (and larger profit) machines. Scott -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Hi Kees, I don't think that's true at all. All you need to do is look at the history of roll-outs to understand what IBM is doing. Except for this January announcement (which is only about four months later than historically), IBM has very clearly announced a processor every year, alternating the business class (smaller) with the enterprise class (larger) machines. It makes business sense, and each size of shop can plan on a new model about every two years. I'm updating my CPU Chart today, so happen to have all this information available. Here's what's happened in the past, and you can see the pattern: Larger Smaller z13 - 3/15 zBC12 - 9/13 zEC12 - 9/12 z114 - 9/11 z196 - 7/10 z10-BC - 10/08 z10-EC - 9/08 z9-BC-R07 - 05/06 z9-EC - 9/05, 11/05 z890 - 5/04 z990 - 6/03, 10/03 z900 Turbo - 5/02 z800 - 02/02, 12/02 z900 - 5/99 Based on IBM's history, I would have expected the z13 large machines in 9/14, but they showed up four months later. And I expect the smaller z13 machines sometime between 9/15 and 1/16. I wouldn't be worried about the future. I personally like the simpler naming of z13 for all sizes. What drives me batty is marketing name changes like all 'System z' machines from the past are now renamed to 'z Systems'. Don't those people have better things to do with their time? ;-) Best regards, Cheryl == Cheryl Watson Watson Walker, Inc. 100 Central Avenue, Suite 1013 Sarasota, FL 34236-5731 www.watsonwalker.com cell text: 941-266-6609 == On Jan 16, 2015, at 4:09 AM, Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM kees.verno...@klm.com wrote: It again looks like small customers are becoming less and less interesting for IBM. We have not-so-big z196's now, we could do with a z12BC's and probably the smallest z13 will be vastly oversized for us. Kees. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:25 PM, Timothy Sipples sipp...@sg.ibm.com wrote: Nor will I because it cost real money due to MSU usage and I'd get keel hauled for wasting money. First of all, I'm quite sure all computing has costs. Except Unutilized sub-peak 4HRA capacity is as close to free as anything in computing. Your time is not free, though. True and not true. We use Group Capacity to cap our MSUs.When you do this, you can exceed your hard cap if you have, what I call, some saved up slack from the previous 4HRA. And we actually monitor this with some code I have written to analyze SYSLOG messages written out from BMC' MainView. So, it is true that my Bit Coin mining would not really cost hard dollars. But it would impact this reservoir of MSUs which can be tapped for a short term spike of usage wherein we can exceed our Group Capacity for a short while before being capped by PR/SM. So, just put your Bitcoin mining (or whatever else you want to have fun with) in a basement/cellar WLM service class. I'm assuming trivial disk storage requirements, a fair assumption here. I recall submitting jobs into bottom-of-the-barrel work queues in college. Most of the time they completed, eventually, and nobody else cared. Idle time was just wasted time if not consumed. Has this principle been forgotten? I hope not. See the above how this idle time is not wasted when your system is capped below its hardware maximum by using Group Capacity limiting. And we are charged by the Group Capacity MSUs, not the actual used MSUs. Don't ask me, this whole thing is simply beyond me. And I will stop at this point or I'll just go onto a soap box. -- While a transcendent vocabulary is laudable, one must be eternally careful so that the calculated objective of communication does not become ensconced in obscurity. In other words, eschew obfuscation. 111,111,111 x 111,111,111 = 12,345,678,987,654,321 Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Correct, and it even does not only hold true for a spike, but also for a heavy production job, that can run at full speed while driving up the 4HRA. How long it can run at full speed until the 4HRA reaches the limit and capping steps in, depends on the value of the 4HRA at the start of the job. This in turn depends on how much work has been run in the previous 4 hours, so whether you ran your private Bitcoin business there or not. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: 16 January, 2015 14:43 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z13 unanswered question. On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:25 PM, Timothy Sipples sipp...@sg.ibm.com wrote: Nor will I because it cost real money due to MSU usage and I'd get keel hauled for wasting money. First of all, I'm quite sure all computing has costs. Except Unutilized sub-peak 4HRA capacity is as close to free as anything in computing. Your time is not free, though. True and not true. We use Group Capacity to cap our MSUs.When you do this, you can exceed your hard cap if you have, what I call, some saved up slack from the previous 4HRA. And we actually monitor this with some code I have written to analyze SYSLOG messages written out from BMC' MainView. So, it is true that my Bit Coin mining would not really cost hard dollars. But it would impact this reservoir of MSUs which can be tapped for a short term spike of usage wherein we can exceed our Group Capacity for a short while before being capped by PR/SM. For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
z13 unanswered question.
I understand the scenario you describe, John (defined capacities, reliance on shoot above room). I typed out a long and geeky explanation for how there might still be some room in the deepest discretionary cellar even in that scenario, but it's too academic and too much topic drift. I simply don't recommend Bitcoin mining, on or off your mainframe. Steering back to the IBM z13, for the record, in my view it's unlikely that Bitcoin mining would be a good workload fit on z13 processors. However, it's likely an IBM z System would be a superb server for Bitcoin payment processing and Bitcoin exchanges, as it already is for other currencies. The Bitcoin ecosystem has many persistent problems, including security problems, and that'd be another reason to consider an IBM z System. Now, where did I put those 6 yellow tulips. No, make that 8 tulips, and I'd better run. I need to go buy some milk Timothy Sipples IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM z Systems, AP/GCG/MEA E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Timothy Sipples sipp...@sg.ibm.com wrote: I understand the scenario you describe, John (defined capacities, reliance on shoot above room). I typed out a long and geeky explanation for how there might still be some room in the deepest discretionary cellar even in that scenario, but it's too academic and too much topic drift. I simply don't recommend Bitcoin mining, on or off your mainframe. Steering back to the IBM z13, for the record, in my view it's unlikely that Bitcoin mining would be a good workload fit on z13 processors. However, it's likely an IBM z System would be a superb server for Bitcoin payment processing and Bitcoin exchanges, as it already is for other currencies. The Bitcoin ecosystem has many persistent problems, including security problems, and that'd be another reason to consider an IBM z System. Yeah, and the whole thing was due to my _attempted_ joke for marketing speak about performance for people who don't understand the z at all. Put it in terms that they _think_ they understand such as MIPS, FLOPS, or my silly Bitcoins per Second. Let's just go with the Linux properly named power indicator: BogoMIPS. Now, where did I put those 6 yellow tulips. No, make that 8 tulips, and I'd better run. I need to go buy some milk Timothy Sipples IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM z Systems, AP/GCG/MEA E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- While a transcendent vocabulary is laudable, one must be eternally careful so that the calculated objective of communication does not become ensconced in obscurity. In other words, eschew obfuscation. 111,111,111 x 111,111,111 = 12,345,678,987,654,321 Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Why am I having visions of government agencies showing up to confiscate the server that was dealing in bitcoins? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Timothy Sipples Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 11:20 AM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: [EXTERNAL] z13 unanswered question. I understand the scenario you describe, John (defined capacities, reliance on shoot above room). I typed out a long and geeky explanation for how there might still be some room in the deepest discretionary cellar even in that scenario, but it's too academic and too much topic drift. I simply don't recommend Bitcoin mining, on or off your mainframe. Steering back to the IBM z13, for the record, in my view it's unlikely that Bitcoin mining would be a good workload fit on z13 processors. However, it's likely an IBM z System would be a superb server for Bitcoin payment processing and Bitcoin exchanges, as it already is for other currencies. The Bitcoin ecosystem has many persistent problems, including security problems, and that'd be another reason to consider an IBM z System. Now, where did I put those 6 yellow tulips. No, make that 8 tulips, and I'd better run. I need to go buy some milk Timothy Sipples IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM z Systems, AP/GCG/MEA E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:41 AM [ snip ] How fast could a fully enabled machine mint bitcoins or other cryptocurrency? How much power would such a machine use while doing so? Inquiring minds want to know! Any speculations on what the z13 Jr will be called? The z9, z10 and z12 had EC and BC models, but the z196 had the z114 as its junior machine. Maybe z11 ? -jc- ** Information contained in this e-mail message and in any attachments thereto is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy this message, delete any copies held on your systems, notify the sender immediately, and refrain from using or disclosing all or any part of its content to any other person. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Pfister, Nathan nathan.pfis...@wsscwater.com wrote: Out of curiosity, have you (successfully) compiled, and used, a bitcoin miner on z/OS Unix? On the first question: No, I have not compiled a bitcoin mainer on z/OS. So, of course, I have not run it. Nor will I because it cost real money due to MSU usage and I'd get keel hauled for wasting money. This is obviously something for a RedBook person, or IBM POK to do? Why? For the P.R. value. Yes! The z13 can mine bitcoins at 300% of the rate of the best Intel Xeon based server. But wait! There's more! It can do it a _half_ the power cost! Call now! Operators are standing by! I.e. it gives IBM some street cred with the new generation of I.T.managers who are frustrated, wanna-be gamers. Or is this just a local phenom? -- While a transcendent vocabulary is laudable, one must be eternally careful so that the calculated objective of communication does not become ensconced in obscurity. In other words, eschew obfuscation. 111,111,111 x 111,111,111 = 12,345,678,987,654,321 Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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There is no BC machine... :-) Cheers, Martin Martin Packer, zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 15/01/2015 16:40 Subject:z13 unanswered question. Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU I have really enjoyed reading about the z13 and some of the new nifties. And, of course, eventually IBM will give out some harder performance number. But I'll bet there is one geek question which will not be answered. How fast could a fully enabled machine mint bitcoins or other cryptocurrency? How much power would such a machine use while doing so? Inquiring minds want to know! -- While a transcendent vocabulary is laudable, one must be eternally careful so that the calculated objective of communication does not become ensconced in obscurity. In other words, eschew obfuscation. 111,111,111 x 111,111,111 = 12,345,678,987,654,321 Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redpieces/pdfs/sg248251.pdf PDF page 426 shows 36KW capacity and 13KW actual use. Configuration size and load not shown. Have you tried running a bitcoin app on a z/System? Perhaps z/Linux on Hercules? On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:40 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com wrote: I have really enjoyed reading about the z13 and some of the new nifties. And, of course, eventually IBM will give out some harder performance number. But I'll bet there is one geek question which will not be answered. How fast could a fully enabled machine mint bitcoins or other cryptocurrency? How much power would such a machine use while doing so? Inquiring minds want to know! -- While a transcendent vocabulary is laudable, one must be eternally careful so that the calculated objective of communication does not become ensconced in obscurity. In other words, eschew obfuscation. 111,111,111 x 111,111,111 = 12,345,678,987,654,321 Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 10:40:40 -0600, John McKown wrote: eventually IBM will give out some harder performance number. LSPR has z13 included. https://www-304.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/lib03060.nsf/pages/lsprITRzOSv2r1 -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Do I sense a new performance metric on the horizon? -- Donald Grinsell State of Montana 406-444-2983 dgrins...@mt.gov I'll sleep when I'm dead... ~ Warren Zevon -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:41 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: z13 unanswered question. I have really enjoyed reading about the z13 and some of the new nifties. And, of course, eventually IBM will give out some harder performance number. But I'll bet there is one geek question which will not be answered. How fast could a fully enabled machine mint bitcoins or other cryptocurrency? How much power would such a machine use while doing so? Inquiring minds want to know! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Out of curiosity, have you (successfully) compiled, and used, a bitcoin miner on z/OS Unix? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 11:41 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: z13 unanswered question. I have really enjoyed reading about the z13 and some of the new nifties. And, of course, eventually IBM will give out some harder performance number. But I'll bet there is one geek question which will not be answered. How fast could a fully enabled machine mint bitcoins or other cryptocurrency? How much power would such a machine use while doing so? Inquiring minds want to know! -- While a transcendent vocabulary is laudable, one must be eternally careful so that the calculated objective of communication does not become ensconced in obscurity. In other words, eschew obfuscation. 111,111,111 x 111,111,111 = 12,345,678,987,654,321 Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Notwithstanding the BC/Bitcoin humor, no, IBM said there will be no EC/BC distinction. Part of this announcement is simplification-no EC/BC, no System z vs. zEnterprise. This is a good thing. Now if IBM can just get people to stop saying zSeries (now dead for a decade!). Of course, there are still IBMers with zSeries in their titles, including folks in sales. Pretty sad.back in the day, the IBM branding police would have had those folks executed! (I noticed that several of the IBM releases yesterday still said zNext in a few places-somebody didn't do a good job of updating after the name got finalized.) .phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Or zeeSerious or zoss or zedoss or zeeoss - all of which I've heard many times over. :-) Or even zee oh ess. :-) Cheers, Martin Martin Packer, zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: Phil Smith III li...@akphs.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 15/01/2015 20:27 Subject:Re: z13 unanswered question. Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Notwithstanding the BC/Bitcoin humor, no, IBM said there will be no EC/BC distinction. Part of this announcement is simplification-no EC/BC, no System z vs. zEnterprise. This is a good thing. Now if IBM can just get people to stop saying zSeries (now dead for a decade!). Of course, there are still IBMers with zSeries in their titles, including folks in sales. Pretty sad.back in the day, the IBM branding police would have had those folks executed! (I noticed that several of the IBM releases yesterday still said zNext in a few places-somebody didn't do a good job of updating after the name got finalized.) .phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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This could then be a problem for me. The LSPR link has the smallest 2964-401 with 1 CP and 31 MSU My current z9-L03 is 28 MSU, but I am capping at 16. But my major vendor (SAG) doesn't accept subcapacity. And, I was seriously burnt when we last had a uniprocessor. The smallest multi is 60 MSU My thoughts lately have been that our prepaid maintenance on the z9 would be expiring about the same timeframe as a zNext-BC -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Phil Smith III Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 12:27 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z13 unanswered question. Notwithstanding the BC/Bitcoin humor, no, IBM said there will be no EC/BC distinction. Part of this announcement is simplification-no EC/BC, no System z vs. zEnterprise. This is a good thing. Now if IBM can just get people to stop saying zSeries (now dead for a decade!). Of course, there are still IBMers with zSeries in their titles, including folks in sales. Pretty sad.back in the day, the IBM branding police would have had those folks executed! (I noticed that several of the IBM releases yesterday still said zNext in a few places-somebody didn't do a good job of updating after the name got finalized.) .phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Most bitcoin earning sites require user interaction. http://www.bitcoinplus.com/howbitcoinworks This sites (and others) supply you with an application that you run. When a problem is solved, you get a payment in bitcoins. Since it takes a lot of computing time to solve one problem, the problem is split up and so is the payment. On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Chase, John jch...@ussco.com wrote: Context plus smiley suggest he meant there is no BitCoin machine. -jc- -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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There never is when to big one is announced. Are you implying knowledge that there won't be a future BC z13? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Martin Packer Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z13 unanswered question. There is no BC machine... :-) Cheers, Martin Martin Packer, zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=https://www.ibm.com/developer works/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPackerk=EWEYHnIvm0nsSxnW5y9VI w%3D%3D%0Ar=j6Xa1Y0fbuP2mfgCQ5Zxhg%3D%3D%0Am=sQpow6UtFUti KN7vBhJaJANh5gPiAYgyswhggfW4bRg%3D%0As=f16263b57387909d061a47 05a05c4311a9756236cf18675dc9feaf29662fe366 From: John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 15/01/2015 16:40 Subject:z13 unanswered question. Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU I have really enjoyed reading about the z13 and some of the new nifties. And, of course, eventually IBM will give out some harder performance number. But I'll bet there is one geek question which will not be answered. How fast could a fully enabled machine mint bitcoins or other cryptocurrency? How much power would such a machine use while doing so? Inquiring minds want to know! -- While a transcendent vocabulary is laudable, one must be eternally careful so that the calculated objective of communication does not become ensconced in obscurity. In other words, eschew obfuscation. 111,111,111 x 111,111,111 = 12,345,678,987,654,321 Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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By George I think he's got it :-) - as I hope did many others. Cheers, Martin Martin Packer, zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: Chase, John jch...@ussco.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 15/01/2015 19:15 Subject:Re: z13 unanswered question. Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Context plus smiley suggest he meant there is no BitCoin machine. -jc- -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Gibney, Dave Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 1:13 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z13 unanswered question. There never is when to big one is announced. Are you implying knowledge that there won't be a future BC z13? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Martin Packer Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z13 unanswered question. There is no BC machine... :-) Cheers, Martin Martin Packer, zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=https://www.ibm.com/develop er works/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPackerk=EWEYHnIvm0nsSxnW5y9VI w%3D%3D%0Ar=j6Xa1Y0fbuP2mfgCQ5Zxhg%3D%3D%0Am=sQpow6UtFUti KN7vBhJaJANh5gPiAYgyswhggfW4bRg%3D%0As=f16263b57387909d061a47 05a05c4311a9756236cf18675dc9feaf29662fe366 From: John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 15/01/2015 16:40 Subject:z13 unanswered question. Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU I have really enjoyed reading about the z13 and some of the new nifties. And, of course, eventually IBM will give out some harder performance number. But I'll bet there is one geek question which will not be answered. How fast could a fully enabled machine mint bitcoins or other cryptocurrency? How much power would such a machine use while doing so? Inquiring minds want to know! -- While a transcendent vocabulary is laudable, one must be eternally careful so that the calculated objective of communication does not become ensconced in obscurity. In other words, eschew obfuscation. 111,111,111 x 111,111,111 = 12,345,678,987,654,321 Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ** Information contained in this e-mail message and in any attachments thereto is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy this message, delete any copies held on your systems, notify the sender immediately, and refrain from using or disclosing all or any part of its content to any other person. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Nor will I because it cost real money due to MSU usage and I'd get keel hauled for wasting money. First of all, I'm quite sure all computing has costs. Except Unutilized sub-peak 4HRA capacity is as close to free as anything in computing. Your time is not free, though. So, just put your Bitcoin mining (or whatever else you want to have fun with) in a basement/cellar WLM service class. I'm assuming trivial disk storage requirements, a fair assumption here. I recall submitting jobs into bottom-of-the-barrel work queues in college. Most of the time they completed, eventually, and nobody else cared. Idle time was just wasted time if not consumed. Has this principle been forgotten? I hope not. Timothy Sipples IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM z Systems, AP/GCG/MEA E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Dave Gibney writes: This could then be a problem for me. Phil Smith wrote: IBM said there will be no EC/BC distinction. Part of this announcement is simplification-no EC/BC, no System z vs. zEnterprise. This is a good thing. Dave, I like what Phil wrote. Take a look at what he wrote and also what he didn't write. As a random observation, Apple offers their iPhone 6 in several different configurations varying in storage (16, 64, and 128GB), color, and (in a few cases) localization (e.g. Wi-Fi frequencies vary a bit). They're all Apple iPhone 6 smartphones. They are not iPhone 6EC (Except China), iPhone 6WJ (Wi-Fi Japan), or iPhone 6SC (Saudi Compliant) smartphones. Apple recently (within the past couple weeks) introduced a SIM-free/unlocked iPhone 6 in the United States. That, too, is an iPhone 6. It's neither an iPhone 6SF nor an iPhone 6BC (Before Calling, insert SIM). They're all iPhone 6 smartphones. IBM has many, many configurations of z13, zBC12, and zEC12 servers available to order today, for purchase or lease, tailored to your specific needs. In terms of physical model choices we currently offer the following: Machine Type 2964 Models N30, N63, N96, NC9, NE1 Machine Type 2828 Models H06, H13 Machine Type 2827 Models H20, H43, H66, H89, HA1 At least one of these configurations would be a superb choice for your machine upgrade, today. Just contact your friendly IBM representative, or drop me a note if you don't know who that person is. IBM has announced general availability (GA) of Machine Type 2964 for March 9, 2015, though (as noted in the announcement letter) a few optional features have later planned GA dates. I'm confident IBM will introduce new models, configurations, and features into the indefinite future, and I'm confident you'll also have great upgrade choices in the future, too. Timothy Sipples IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM z Systems, AP/GCG/MEA E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Context plus smiley suggest he meant there is no BitCoin machine. -jc- -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Gibney, Dave Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 1:13 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z13 unanswered question. There never is when to big one is announced. Are you implying knowledge that there won't be a future BC z13? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Martin Packer Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z13 unanswered question. There is no BC machine... :-) Cheers, Martin Martin Packer, zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=https://www.ibm.com/develop er works/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPackerk=EWEYHnIvm0nsSxnW5y9VI w%3D%3D%0Ar=j6Xa1Y0fbuP2mfgCQ5Zxhg%3D%3D%0Am=sQpow6UtFUti KN7vBhJaJANh5gPiAYgyswhggfW4bRg%3D%0As=f16263b57387909d061a47 05a05c4311a9756236cf18675dc9feaf29662fe366 From: John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 15/01/2015 16:40 Subject:z13 unanswered question. Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU I have really enjoyed reading about the z13 and some of the new nifties. And, of course, eventually IBM will give out some harder performance number. But I'll bet there is one geek question which will not be answered. How fast could a fully enabled machine mint bitcoins or other cryptocurrency? How much power would such a machine use while doing so? Inquiring minds want to know! -- While a transcendent vocabulary is laudable, one must be eternally careful so that the calculated objective of communication does not become ensconced in obscurity. In other words, eschew obfuscation. 111,111,111 x 111,111,111 = 12,345,678,987,654,321 Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ** Information contained in this e-mail message and in any attachments thereto is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy this message, delete any copies held on your systems, notify the sender immediately, and refrain from using or disclosing all or any part of its content to any other person. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
