Re: Is the IETF is an international organization? (was: IETF Diversity)
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Ted Lemon ted.le...@nominum.com wrote: On Jun 19, 2013, at 3:18 PM, Yoav Nir y...@checkpoint.com wrote: Yeah, and act is what Americans call statutes, and Selma is a city in Alabama where there was some controversy about voting rights. You sure need to know a lot of Americana to participate meaningfully in some of these discussions. Sorry. That was directed largely at Melinda who is, to the best of my understanding, an American. The point was that in fact the civil rights movement started with individuals, not the government. It would have been easier to note that the technological terror we have created has been one of the drivers behind the Arab Spring. Before that Communism was defeated through a bottom up movement: People just walked away. I seem to remember that there is a country in North America where the foundation myth is based on the claim of a bottom up revolt but I can't quite recall which one. Something to do with tea. -- Website: http://hallambaker.com/
Re: Is the IETF is an international organization? (was: IETF Diversity)
Keep in mind that you're talking to an organisation that believes that Vancouver qualifies as Asia. On 19/06/2013, at 12:07 PM, SM s...@resistor.net wrote: Hi Aaron, At 11:40 19-06-2013, Aaron Yi DING wrote: Relating to the statement above(I assume Phillip is addressing the US Academia), not quite sure are we still discussing the same topic? sorry, I am bit confused .. since IETF is an international organization. I changed the subject line as I am as confused as to whether the IETF is an international organization. There was a mention of First the Civil Rights act, then Selma... ;). I assume that the act is an Act for the United States of America. Harvard was also mentioned. I did a quick search and I found out that Harvard University is an American private Ivy League research university. Regards, -sm -- Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/
Re: Is the IETF is an international organization? (was: IETF Diversity)
At 08:02 20-06-2013, Mark Nottingham wrote: Keep in mind that you're talking to an organisation that believes that Vancouver qualifies as Asia. That should be added to the Tao. :-) At 08:24 20-06-2013, John C Klensin wrote: Political convenience and expedience trumps geographical reality every time :-) The question I would ask is how many continents are there. Regards, -sm
Re: Is the IETF is an international organization? (was: IETF Diversity)
On Jun 20, 2013, at 11:26 AM, SM s...@resistor.net wrote: At 08:02 20-06-2013, Mark Nottingham wrote: Keep in mind that you're talking to an organisation that believes that Vancouver qualifies as Asia. That should be added to the Tao. :-) At 08:24 20-06-2013, John C Klensin wrote: Political convenience and expedience trumps geographical reality every time :-) The question I would ask is how many continents are there. One. The rest are islands. Asia, by the way, is a peninsula sticking out from Europe. Now that we've cleared that up...
Re: Is the IETF is an international organization? (was: IETF Diversity)
On Jun 19, 2013, at 10:07 PM, SM s...@resistor.net wrote: Hi Aaron, At 11:40 19-06-2013, Aaron Yi DING wrote: Relating to the statement above(I assume Phillip is addressing the US Academia), not quite sure are we still discussing the same topic? sorry, I am bit confused .. since IETF is an international organization. I changed the subject line as I am as confused as to whether the IETF is an international organization. There was a mention of First the Civil Rights act, then Selma... ;). I assume that the act is an Act for the United States of America. Harvard was also mentioned. I did a quick search and I found out that Harvard University is an American private Ivy League research university. Yeah, and act is what Americans call statutes, and Selma is a city in Alabama where there was some controversy about voting rights. You sure need to know a lot of Americana to participate meaningfully in some of these discussions.
RE: Is the IETF is an international organization? (was: IETF Diversity)
Well, this is a cultural thing :-) Some of our American colleagues cannot avoid using examples related to the American constitution, history or academy, forgetting that out-of-the-US interlocutors may not that familiar with them. Luckily, they did not mention any baseball rule in this discussions (yet) :-) Regards, Dan -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of SM Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:08 PM To: Aaron Yi DING Cc: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Is the IETF is an international organization? (was: IETF Diversity) Hi Aaron, At 11:40 19-06-2013, Aaron Yi DING wrote: Relating to the statement above(I assume Phillip is addressing the US Academia), not quite sure are we still discussing the same topic? sorry, I am bit confused .. since IETF is an international organization. I changed the subject line as I am as confused as to whether the IETF is an international organization. There was a mention of First the Civil Rights act, then Selma... ;). I assume that the act is an Act for the United States of America. Harvard was also mentioned. I did a quick search and I found out that Harvard University is an American private Ivy League research university. Regards, -sm
Re: Is the IETF is an international organization? (was: IETF Diversity)
On Jun 19, 2013, at 3:18 PM, Yoav Nir y...@checkpoint.com wrote: Yeah, and act is what Americans call statutes, and Selma is a city in Alabama where there was some controversy about voting rights. You sure need to know a lot of Americana to participate meaningfully in some of these discussions. Sorry. That was directed largely at Melinda who is, to the best of my understanding, an American. The point was that in fact the civil rights movement started with individuals, not the government.
Re: Is the IETF is an international organization? (was: IETF Diversity)
On Jun 19, 2013, at 12:07 PM, SM s...@resistor.net wrote: Hi Aaron, At 11:40 19-06-2013, Aaron Yi DING wrote: Relating to the statement above(I assume Phillip is addressing the US Academia), not quite sure are we still discussing the same topic? sorry, I am bit confused .. since IETF is an international organization. I changed the subject line as I am as confused as to whether the IETF is an international organization. There was a mention of First the Civil Rights act, then Selma... ;). I assume that the act is an Act for the United States of America. Harvard was also mentioned. I did a quick search and I found out that Harvard University is an American private Ivy League research university. Dear SM, Are new ideas embraced without any prior geographic endorsement? While this seems to be the case, organizations with greater resources, often from various regions, will steer development. There be dragons empathizing about motivations to understand declared rules, stated justifications, or even what censuses really means. Even with the best of intentions, it is very difficult to have meaningful discussions about motivations . In respect to privacy, organizations both sell and purchase profile information containing individual preferences and contact information. There are also organizations that attempt offer selective relationships, often via a social network. In deciding what is important to protect, the identity of those initiating transactions, or those receiving them are at odds. Even a statement females are more sensitive about security than men in respect to technology in the home can be viewed as either a real insight or a sexist view. By having gender diversity, questioning the underlying motivations can be avoided. It seems the same can be said of those trading profiles or and those offering protection from profilers. Motivation plays a critical role in steering development. It is just not something easily discussed within an international organization. Regards, Douglas Otis
