Re: Question about Prague
On 12/30/10 6:15 AM, Ray Pelletier wrote: Registration will open the beginning of next week with the usual hotel details, etc. Ray Wow. Less than a week, and the special rate for the block is already unavailable. I've reserved a room at 5600 CZK per night (about $300US), but I don't think I can keep that reservation (I'd have a hard time getting it reimbursed). Is something completely botched in Hilton's system, or is the block actually sold out already? If it's the latter, is the secretariat working to expand the block? /a ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Question about Prague
Wow. Less than a week, and the special rate for the block is already unavailable. I've reserved a room at 5600 CZK per night (about $300US), but I don't think I can keep that reservation (I'd have a hard time getting it reimbursed). I just followed the link from the IETF web site and it offered me a room at the 3700 conference rate. R's, John ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Question about Prague
I have also had good luck with the CEDAZ minibus to Namesti Republiky http://www.cedaz.cz/ According to Google Maps, their stop is around a 12 minute walk to the IETF hotel, and marginally closer than the main train station. http://goo.gl/sib5S --Richard On Jan 2, 2011, at 6:02 PM, John Levine wrote: Public transit? We arrived and left by train, so I don't know what airport access is like there. There's an airport express bus to the downtown train station, and city buses to the metro. Details here: http://www.myczechrepublic.com/prague/prague-airport-bus.html R's, John ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Question about Prague
* Richard L. Barnes rbar...@bbn.com [2011-01-04 18:45] wrote: According to Google Maps, their stop is around a 12 minute walk to the IETF hotel, and marginally closer than the main train station. http://goo.gl/sib5S You can take bus 100 from Airport to Zlicin and then change to Metro line B (yellow). The station Florenc near the hotel is on the same line, so you just need to sit and enjoy the tunnels ;) Antonin ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Question about Prague
Correction: s/the IETF hotel/the hotel where the IETF was *last* time/ --Richard On Jan 4, 2011, at 12:42 PM, Richard L. Barnes wrote: I have also had good luck with the CEDAZ minibus to Namesti Republiky http://www.cedaz.cz/ According to Google Maps, their stop is around a 12 minute walk to the IETF hotel, and marginally closer than the main train station. http://goo.gl/sib5S --Richard On Jan 2, 2011, at 6:02 PM, John Levine wrote: Public transit? We arrived and left by train, so I don't know what airport access is like there. There's an airport express bus to the downtown train station, and city buses to the metro. Details here: http://www.myczechrepublic.com/prague/prague-airport-bus.html R's, John ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Question about Prague
On Jan 4, 2011, at 4:34 PM, Richard L. Barnes wrote: Correction: s/the IETF hotel/the hotel where the IETF was *last* time/ Which is the same location this time (as revealed by the announcement just made by the Secretariat). Regards Marshall --Richard On Jan 4, 2011, at 12:42 PM, Richard L. Barnes wrote: I have also had good luck with the CEDAZ minibus to Namesti Republiky http://www.cedaz.cz/ According to Google Maps, their stop is around a 12 minute walk to the IETF hotel, and marginally closer than the main train station. http://goo.gl/sib5S --Richard On Jan 2, 2011, at 6:02 PM, John Levine wrote: Public transit? We arrived and left by train, so I don't know what airport access is like there. There's an airport express bus to the downtown train station, and city buses to the metro. Details here: http://www.myczechrepublic.com/prague/prague-airport-bus.html R's, John ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Question about Prague
On Jan 1, 2011, at 9:01 20AM, Mans Nilsson wrote: Subject: Re: Question about Prague Date: Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 03:30:07PM -0500 Quoting Scott Brim (scott.b...@gmail.com): On 12/31/2010 13:37 EST, Elwyn Davies wrote: Driving into the Czech Republic shouldn't be a problem BUT you do have to tell the rental agency in advance and they will make a supplementary charge per day for the whole contract (not just the days you are out of Germany) if my recent experience is anything to go by (hire in Austria, drive to Slovenia). Its not particularly cheap either. I've learned that in general it costs too much to rent a car for international driving in Europe. The airport is reasonably close to the city, and (as just one sample) Lufthansa LAX-MUC-PRG and PRG-FRA-LAX costs about 670EUR return flight in cattle class. Prague has this quaint thing called Public Transport -- apparently unknown in USA? -- that allows for efficient tram rides downtown. My experience from a RIPE meeting couple years ago was of a quite convenient travel experience. But -- beware of the taxis, especially from the train station. In theory, all taxi rides are metered. In practice -- well, you know the difference between theory and practice... The guidebooks warn of this; in our experience (we were there shortly after Maastricht), the warnings are quite correct. The taxi arranged by our hotel to take us back to station was honest. There are even honest taxi stands in some major tourist areas, operated by a consortium of companies that are willing to play by the rules. Public transit? We arrived and left by train, so I don't know what airport access is like there. A couple of years ago, I tallied up how many cities I'd taken trains or trams from the airport. While most were outside the US, there are a fair number of American airports where it's feasible, including San Francisco, Boston, Atlanta, New York (two of the three airports), Chicago, Washington, Baltimore, Seattle, Portland, Philadelphia, and probably more I can't think of right now. To be sure, when the rail link to EWR opened, a news story noted that most of the customers were European, since Americans aren't used to thinking that way... --Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Question about Prague
Public transit? We arrived and left by train, so I don't know what airport access is like there. There's an airport express bus to the downtown train station, and city buses to the metro. Details here: http://www.myczechrepublic.com/prague/prague-airport-bus.html R's, John ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Question about Prague
Subject: Re: Question about Prague Date: Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 03:30:07PM -0500 Quoting Scott Brim (scott.b...@gmail.com): On 12/31/2010 13:37 EST, Elwyn Davies wrote: Driving into the Czech Republic shouldn't be a problem BUT you do have to tell the rental agency in advance and they will make a supplementary charge per day for the whole contract (not just the days you are out of Germany) if my recent experience is anything to go by (hire in Austria, drive to Slovenia). Its not particularly cheap either. I've learned that in general it costs too much to rent a car for international driving in Europe. The airport is reasonably close to the city, and (as just one sample) Lufthansa LAX-MUC-PRG and PRG-FRA-LAX costs about 670EUR return flight in cattle class. Prague has this quaint thing called Public Transport -- apparently unknown in USA? -- that allows for efficient tram rides downtown. My experience from a RIPE meeting couple years ago was of a quite convenient travel experience. -- Måns Nilsson primary/secondary/besserwisser/machina MN-1334-RIPE +46 705 989668 Youth of today! Join me in a mass rally for traditional mental attitudes! pgpKc5bm1IuHM.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Question about Prague
Although Prague (Czech Republic) and Munich (Germany) are both in the European Union they are different countries. So when renting a car in Munich you need to make sure (as usual) that you are allowed to take it across the border and that the GPS has the maps of the country you travel to. Btw. Prague has an airport, too. Though don't know frequency of flights and a drive from Munich is only a couple of hours. Cu in Prague, Tobias On 31 Dec 2010, at 06:41, Fred Baker f...@cisco.com wrote: On Dec 30, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Robin Uyeshiro wrote: The GPS in the rental car (rented in Munich) did not have the street information for Prague. It's not unusual, or at least it wasn't in 1997, for German rental agencies to not permit driving to the Czech Republic. As stated, my information is dated. The point is - check your contract. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Question about Prague
On Dec 31, 2010, at 1:41 AM, Fred Baker wrote: On Dec 30, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Robin Uyeshiro wrote: The GPS in the rental car (rented in Munich) did not have the street information for Prague. It's not unusual, or at least it wasn't in 1997, for German rental agencies to not permit driving to the Czech Republic. As stated, my information is dated. The point is - check your contract. Before the Czech lands entered the EU (2004) that was very common, and very strict. (In 1999 I was almost arrested for trying to drive my Hertz car to the duty-free shop at the border crossing in Linz, Austria - by the Austrians! - because my rental contract didn't allow for the Czech Republic.) Now, you should tell your rental agency where you are going, but the last time I rented a car and drove to Prague, we didn't have any issues at all. There shouldn't even be a border post any more (since December 2007, the Czech Republic has been part of the Schengen area). Regards Marshall ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Question about Prague
On Fri, 2010-12-31 at 12:52 -0500, Marshall Eubanks wrote: On Dec 31, 2010, at 1:41 AM, Fred Baker wrote: On Dec 30, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Robin Uyeshiro wrote: The GPS in the rental car (rented in Munich) did not have the street information for Prague. It's not unusual, or at least it wasn't in 1997, for German rental agencies to not permit driving to the Czech Republic. As stated, my information is dated. The point is - check your contract. Before the Czech lands entered the EU (2004) that was very common, and very strict. (In 1999 I was almost arrested for trying to drive my Hertz car to the duty-free shop at the border crossing in Linz, Austria - by the Austrians! - because my rental contract didn't allow for the Czech Republic.) Now, you should tell your rental agency where you are going, but the last time I rented a car and drove to Prague, we didn't have any issues at all. There shouldn't even be a border post any more (since December 2007, the Czech Republic has been part of the Schengen area). Regards Marshall Driving into the Czech Republic shouldn't be a problem BUT you do have to tell the rental agency in advance and they will make a supplementary charge per day for the whole contract (not just the days you are out of Germany) if my recent experience is anything to go by (hire in Austria, drive to Slovenia). Its not particularly cheap either. Regards, Elwyn ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Question about Prague
On 12/31/2010 13:37 EST, Elwyn Davies wrote: Driving into the Czech Republic shouldn't be a problem BUT you do have to tell the rental agency in advance and they will make a supplementary charge per day for the whole contract (not just the days you are out of Germany) if my recent experience is anything to go by (hire in Austria, drive to Slovenia). Its not particularly cheap either. I've learned that in general it costs too much to rent a car for international driving in Europe. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Question about Prague
On Dec 30, 2010, at 4:38 AM, Yoav Nir wrote: Hi The Prague meeting is still nearly 3 months away, but I'm wondering why there's only a date yet. No hotel, no registration, no details. Some of us need to get the corporate wheels or authorization moving. Registration will open the beginning of next week with the usual hotel details, etc. Ray Thanks Yoav ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Question about Prague
Thanks On Dec 30, 2010, at 2:15 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote: On Dec 30, 2010, at 4:38 AM, Yoav Nir wrote: Hi The Prague meeting is still nearly 3 months away, but I'm wondering why there's only a date yet. No hotel, no registration, no details. Some of us need to get the corporate wheels or authorization moving. Registration will open the beginning of next week with the usual hotel details, etc. Ray ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
RE: Question about Prague
Some brief notes on Prague from a visit there 2 years ago in October: The GPS in the rental car (rented in Munich) did not have the street information for Prague. Freeway signs announced neighborhoods, not streets, so driving was confusing. Freeway construction further confused things, so have alternative routes. Or head for the City Center and navigate from there. Don't be in a rush, and don't arrive at night if driving. The last freeway rest stop in Germany on the way to Prague is interesting. Hotel recommendation: Hotel General. This is within walking distance of the Bridge, the River, and a major brewery. Don't be fooled by the look of the neighborhood. Also, don't bring a wide car. Once there, the drive will have been worth the effort. Also, breakfast is excellent! The beer in Prague is excellent and cheap. It's not your father's Budweiser. The beer in Munich was excellent, but relatively expensive. Prague itself is a beautiful, if dark, city. Check out the Czech glass ;) -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Yoav Nir Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 2:57 AM To: Ray Pelletier Cc: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: Question about Prague Thanks On Dec 30, 2010, at 2:15 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote: On Dec 30, 2010, at 4:38 AM, Yoav Nir wrote: Hi The Prague meeting is still nearly 3 months away, but I'm wondering why there's only a date yet. No hotel, no registration, no details. Some of us need to get the corporate wheels or authorization moving. Registration will open the beginning of next week with the usual hotel details, etc. Ray ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Question about Prague
On Dec 30, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Robin Uyeshiro wrote: The GPS in the rental car (rented in Munich) did not have the street information for Prague. It's not unusual, or at least it wasn't in 1997, for German rental agencies to not permit driving to the Czech Republic. As stated, my information is dated. The point is - check your contract. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
