RE: World war 3
I think the only behavior we should encourage (here and in general) is solidarity and concern. Maybe it's a pitty we didn't show the same solidarity and concern about Iraq and Jugoslavia (and why not mention the Israelians AND the Palestinians), but it's no good reason to encourage indifference, unconcern and certainly not mockery or satisfaction about what happened. (Personally, I would only accept and tolerate satisfaction in the case of *soldiers*, and only if they clearly are my ennemy, but certainly not in the case of *civilians*!) All negative behavior should be banned. All neutral, indifferent, unconcerned behavior should be tolerated. All positive, constructive behavior should be encouraged. Yesterday was even worse than Pearl Harbor, not only because of the higher number of casualties, but simply because they were innocent civilians. And while we could possibly understand an unnoticed attack *against soldiers and military facilities* (to be fast or to try to win the war), there's simply nothing to excuse or justify such inhumanity *against innocent civilians*. Now, war and terrorism should not even exist. Unfortunately, it's in the human nature. -Original Message- From: SRD Ye JianLiang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Have any web sites go dark for Iraq and Jugoslavia? -原始邮件- 发件人: Anthony Atkielski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] I was wondering, and I have asked the firm where I work, if all web sites (commercial and otherwise) should go dark in memory of the victims today. Heck, maybe the whold world should shut down for a week, just to show that American casualties are _far_ more important than casualties in any other part of the world. Why don't Web sites go dark when people die elsewhere in the world? Is there any way of doing this, probably not, as most firms would not appreciate going dark (ie - put a static page expressing sorrow in place of their front page) I should hope that most firms are not that prone to hysteria, otherwise we are all in serious trouble.
Re: World war 3
On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:40:01 +0200, TOMSON ERIC said: the war), there's simply nothing to excuse or justify such inhumanity *against innocent civilians*. You're making the dangerous assumption that the perpetrators have a belief system that recognizes the victims as innocent civilians. Even though there are civilians in it, I think everybody agrees that the Pentagon is a *military* target in any sense of the word. And if the perpetrators see themselves at war with Western capitalism, anybody who worked in the WTC is supporting the enemy and thus not innocent. *NOTE* - I'm pointing out what the perpetrators *might* believe. I'm *NOT* saying it's acceptable in my belief system - merely pointing out that *understanding* the thinking of the perpetrators is necessary in order to properly deal with the problem long-term. For instance, it would probably be a *very bad* idea to create martyrs during our retaliation. We've already had enough lack of success dealing with software vandals, often due to not understanding their motivations. Fortunately, so far it's been small stuff of the CodeRed variety. Failing to really understand the motivations and goals of a truly determined adversary in the Internet arena could be REALLY bad news. -- Valdis Kletnieks Operating Systems Analyst Virginia Tech PGP signature
Re: World war 3
At 13.22 11/09/01 -0400, Don McMorris wrote: this a horrible act, against a Us citizens and Against Us Governement I Hope that Usa will make giustice against this Criminal Terrorist thousand and thousand of victims Horrible real Horrible act ! Alessio Porcacchia Rome Italy
Re: World war 3
Please do not spread hysteria. - Original Message - From: Don McMorris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 19:22 Subject: World war 3 Hello everybody. I am contacting you to make sure you know of a problem currently going on. If you do not know of the current problem, please turn your TV onto a news channel. Some here believe this is WWIII. We, at Warez2k Networks and Software Inc. will be going soon if this continues. T1 lines are shutting down, other providers are shutting down, schools are closing, flights are cancelling. This is an economical federal emergency. Thank you for taking notice.
RE: World war 3
I was wondering, and I have asked the firm where I work, if all web sites (commercial and otherwise) should go dark in memory of the victims today. Is there any way of doing this, probably not, as most firms would not appreciate going dark (ie - put a static page expressing sorrow in place of their front page) Just an idea Im going to see if I can do it here. Jim McMurry --- Hagop Karaoghlanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May those terrorists burn for eternity, in hell!! God bless the victims of these acts! My thoughts and prayers... Hagop Armenia -Original Message- From: Matthias Krawutschke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: September 11, 2001 4:59 PM To: 'Alessio'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: AW: World war 3 I agree, it is really a horrible act !!! Matthias Krawutschke Germany -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Alessio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2001 20:16 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: World war 3 At 13.22 11/09/01 -0400, Don McMorris wrote: this a horrible act, against a Us citizens and Against Us Governement I Hope that Usa will make giustice against this Criminal Terrorist thousand and thousand of victims Horrible real Horrible act ! Alessio Porcacchia Rome Italy __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com
Re: World war 3
I was wondering, and I have asked the firm where I work, if all web sites (commercial and otherwise) should go dark in memory of the victims today. Heck, maybe the whold world should shut down for a week, just to show that American casualties are _far_ more important than casualties in any other part of the world. Why don't Web sites go dark when people die elsewhere in the world? Is there any way of doing this, probably not, as most firms would not appreciate going dark (ie - put a static page expressing sorrow in place of their front page) I should hope that most firms are not that prone to hysteria, otherwise we are all in serious trouble.
RE: World war 3
Internet terrorism (DDOS attacks, viruses, worms, etc.) has inconvenienced us all, and economically damaged many of us or our customers. Today, that same mentality - I will hurt you because I can - whether for a political agenda or otherwise - was expressed in a different technology. Today, we all took another hit on the belief that human decency will bound the acts of man against man, that there are *some* things too terrible to be conceived, let alone executed. (I flew out of Boston four days ago. It never occurred to me then that the next stop could be the 60th floor of the World Trade Center.) Let's take a moment to consider that everything we do is a *human* endeavor - or what is it? Regardless of agencies or nations or other delineations, at the bottom it is humans who act, or fail to act. I am encouraged that IETF has always espoused this in its principles. Is this an appropriate forum for this conversation? I ask instead: is there any place where we should not acknowledge this outrage against all humankind? - Ian King, speaking solely for myself -Original Message- From: Andrew J. Shore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: World war 3 Mark Durham wrote: Yes, let's be sure to keep the stockholders uppermost in our prayers. Not uppermost, more like third in line. Certainly, the world economy *is* worth a moment or two of prayer, if you like the prosperity we've taken for granted. Whether to worry more about present and very real suffering, or concentrate on future problems, is something individuals have to decide for themselves. I'm not sure what any of this has to do with the IETF, but I am sure everyone feels sorrow for the victims of the attack, and anger towards the bastards who did it. We've always dimly understood that an attack like this was possible; we always dismissed it as unlikely. If this can happen, world war three can happen. Andrew.
