Re: [Ilugc] [Finnish] Lumière sur
2010/7/20 Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com: this is not finnish Yes, looks like french to me. -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: call for speakers - July Meet
Hi, I'm a student from KCG College of Technology. I am also a participant in this year's Google Summer of Code (under GNOME). I would like to give a talk about gstreamer, if enough people are interested. -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: call for speakers - July Meet
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Vatsala Dorairajan vatsala.doraira...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, Our meetup is on the 10 July coming saturday right? there is also a devCamp thats happening that day.. So alot of people will be going there as well... Ouch, forgot about that date :| Any plans for rescheduling the meet? I hope it is rescheduled so I (and many other people) don't have to choose -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Anna University Syllabus and NRCFOSS
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Victor Johnson victor.li...@gmail.com wrote: I am still wondering why there is no reply from NRCFOSS for my previous questions. As I've mentioned before, that syllabus won't be 'taught' atleast for another year - so NRCFOSS has time. If my understanding of the Anna Univ syllabus process is correct, then the syllabuses are revised atmost once per four years. So if they missed including the Open Source Lab this year, it might've had to wait for a few years more before being accepted - subject to edupolitical issues, it might've never made it. So even though it is half-baked and incomplete now, it is better than nothing. And, I'm sure that NRCFOSS will be able to develop competent supporting material within the year's end. I hope. However, it *would* be nice if we could get some news directly from NRCFOSS instead of speculating and assuming things. Anyone? The same will happen for the Anna Univ Students and Lecturers. With no guidance, preparation, This syllabus will make the people to RUN away from linux after their college. Also, fyi, most students run away from programming after (and during) college anyway, so it's not much of a departure :) -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Some good news.....
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:31 PM, shenbagaraj ramachandran shenbagar...@gmail.com wrote: and let mankind be freed from this cancer. Absolutely! Microsoft dying would be the best thing ever that can happen to the freedom philosophy!! -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Linux in CGHS
2010/6/24 சிவகுமார் மா masivaku...@gmail.com: FOSS community is like the Foolish Old Man and his family. With unshaken conviction the community keeps digging one chip at a time. Any number mountains will be moved away. Nice story :) But wouldn't the most pragmatic thing to do be 1. location the direction of the doorway, 2. move someplace else 3. Enjoy the scenery, create a tourist spot and rake in the dough? Mountains usually don't move. And if they do, it's not by any sort of action from our part. -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Open Source Lab in the Anna University Syllabus
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Shrinivasan T tshriniva...@gmail.com wrote: Awesome effort. * Could not get the theory paper details in that pdf. * Do they still have the Theory paper now? * Is it elective or essential? * Is that happens in any previous semesters? * Do they get any basic linux lab in previous semester? 1. I've sadly never heard of the theory paper :( 2. If it isn't in the PDF, it isn't in our syllabus. So I guess we don't have that theory paper (we - students admitted after 2008) 3. The Lab is Essential, which is *extremely* important - most students don't really get to pick their electives freely (from what I've heard) 4. We do get basic 'UNIX commands' - very basic bash and vim. Taught without any understanding, as usual ;) -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Open Source Lab Syllabus
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Victor Johnson victor.li...@gmail.com wrote: Much worried to think the status of the students who are going to mug up every program and exercise as they dont have any theory paper to explain what they are working in the lab. As a student who sees this happen first hand, I'm incredibly worried as well. What will happen is, ofcourse, staff will google to find solutions to exercises, print them out, xerox them and give them off to students to copy. Students will type in the xeroxed notes, make tons of spelling mistakes - which the staff will have no idea how to fix. Average impact of this course on the average student will not be much. Most we can hope for is that someone new will get impressed from the NRCFOSS materials itself and want to find out something new for himself. Looking forward to see the result NRCFOSSS produces. -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Open Source Lab Syllabus
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Victor Johnson victor.li...@gmail.com wrote: some more questions again. Sorry for troubling you much. 1. How many of the staff of colleges know the following things? 0 I dont know why my son and his friends are laughing after seeing the syllabus. I might know why :) 2. Do NRCFOSS staff goto each college and setup FOSS LAB Server? or guide them remotely? 3. How the colleges are going to get support for setting up the LAB? 4. It may take some time for NRCFOSS to prepare and study materials. Eventhough college staff get some PDF files, is it possible for them to teach those things to students practically? This is seventh semester for 2008 regulation students - who are now entering 5th semester. So NRCFOSS has a full year - should hopefully be good enough. 5. Is there any FDP programme arranged for the Teaching staff in all colleges? 6. Is there any progress to make FOSS as essential theory paper? I'd like to see that happen too :) 7. Why they removed it from elective? I have a feeling that was because not many people were taking it up. Or being encouraged to take it up. Or even being allowed to take it up. For example, even from the pdf - I'd say most people will pick Visual Programming as Elective I Numerical Methods as Elective II - partly because it is easy to pass macha, sappa paper da! and partly because staff have been doing that for ages. Atleast from my experience. Electives aren't 'truly' elected by the student's interest. I want to pick Parallel Programming and UNIX Internals - and I'll keep you posted on how hard it happens to be. 8. Why the syllabus has so many commercial products to learn? Because you obviously cannot do any GUI programming in C :) if the college asks him to use only commercial software. I dont want to loss our house just to buy software. We all know that you don't have to :D -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Open Source Lab Syllabus
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Arun Kumar open.sou...@gmx.com wrote: If any of the faculty members following this list/seeing this email thread, kindly requesting to get rid of using standard programs for using lab exercises and come out with individual assignments for students. We convinced one (new) staff to actually make the students write their own programs. Simple Data Structures. Linked Lists, Double Linked Lists, Binary Trees, etc. Result? Three months were down, and 90% of the class was *still struggling with doubly linked lists*. That was not counting those who still hadn't been able to get Singly linked lists to work. Most of which was, mind you - still copied - from other students (unofficially). The staff are not entirely to blame. They're 'just doing their job' - which is to help students get 'marks', and not to actually get them to learn anything. -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Open Source Lab Syllabus
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Vatsala Dorairajan vatsala.doraira...@gmail.com wrote: Sir, Let me assure you that your house is absolutely not at risk because a PDF file mentions these. Colleges themselves make sure they have a 'few' software - to ensure their inspection from their certifying authority goes on well. One fine day I walked into my computer lab in my college to find Visual Tools Lab and Operating Systems Lab boards setup on top of a row of 8 computers per board. I walked into the *same* lab, saw the same boards - and assumed that Operating Systems Lab was where people hacked on Kernels and Drivers. Turns out it was the corner where older computers are kept, mostly used for . Nothing. Ofcourse, Visual Tools Lab is extremely popular - all new machines with internat access! Facebook is blocked, but Orkut is *not* - and I'll let you figure out the reason why. And there was one Red Hat Machine setup which was called Linux Server which students were not allowed to touch as touch would disrupt the telnet connections from other machines in the lab would get 'disconnected'. That the LAN cable was in a bad shape dint matter. I think the LAN Cables are now better off. The Red Hat card has been replaced with a 'Windows VISTA Server, do not touch!' card. Two powerful dual-xeon machines sleep mostly unused - the are usually used as print servers and CD burners. Another one serves as the 'Anti Virus Server'. I don't know where the Linux machine we all telnet into (we are all 'user1' and our passwords are all '1234') is kept. And I am also sure that a lot of staff members will be wondering how to handle this situation - they will consider asking their friends (staff in neighbouring colleges) to loan some programs for the trainee typists(i.e lab students) to practice. I planned to make things atleast slightly better - write those programs myself (and have it reviewed by people with more brains/experience) and hand it to the staff. Much better than letting students copy the pos, buggy, really-badly-styled, and plain-ugly code that they now have to use. Couldn't help this rant. going by usual standards in the college i have seen, this lab syllabus looks pretty ambitious and I pray that this does not become another joke in the name of labwork as is usually the case. Yes - I'm sure copying perl from 'observation' to 'observation' is going to be a *lot* of fun! -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Open Source Lab Syllabus
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Roshan George ros...@arjie.com wrote: This made me laugh out loud, mostly because I can relate. 1234 indeed. Obviously so much more secure than 123 ;) -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] Open Source Lab in the Anna University Syllabus
http://www.annauniv.edu/academic/ALL FILES_V_VIIISEM/ICE/VITOVIIISEM/ECE24042010.pdf [pdf link] is the Anna University Syllabus for 6-8 semesters, B.E Computer Science for those admitted during/after 2008 (includes me). I'm excited to see that they have something called Open Source Lab there - in the 7th semester. And it is not an elective, but a compulsory course. Thanks to the NRCFOSS guys :) Next step would be finding ways to kick out TC :D -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Open Source Lab in the Anna University Syllabus
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Arun SAG saga...@gmail.com wrote: Link ain't working. Well, apparently that's what I get when my university insists on me doing the following before I can get a link to a PDF: 1. Showing the link in a slow moving upwards marquee on their site with both useful and utterly useless links mangled together 2. Said link actually pointing to a Microsoft Word Document, making me open them in OpenOffice 3. Right Click - Edit Hyperlink - Copy (since I haven't quite managed to find out a way to get downloaded file's URL from Chrome) Proper Link is: http://www.annauniv.edu/academic/ALL FILES_V_VIIISEM/ICE/VITOVIIISEM/CSE_08.04.10_24042010.pdf -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Open Source Lab in the Anna University Syllabus
Okay, color me stupid. GMail is messing up the formatting because the URL had a 'SPACE' in it. http://www.annauniv.edu/academic/ALL%20FILES_V_VIIISEM/ICE/VITOVIIISEM/ECE24042010.pdf (should work) -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Open Source Lab in the Anna University Syllabus
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 1:39 AM, Jeyanthan ijeyant...@gmail.com wrote: You would have used some URL Shortener services (like bit.ly) before sharing such a long link to get rid of these kind of spacing issues :) I don't quite like the extra layer of indirection - though it would've been apt here. More reason I should get my personal url shortener working fast ;) Anyways it's worth sharing those issues with us ! I thought ILUGC mailing lists weren't the place for long, scathing personal rants. However, whoever maintains Anna University's Website needs to get a clue, and find their own head fast. -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Open Source Lab in the Anna University Syllabus
2010/6/18 சிவகுமார் மா masivaku...@gmail.com: This file does not have any reference to Open Source Lab in the 7th semester. Is it in CSE syllabus? Could not find it in the website. Ouch, wrong link again. http://www.annauniv.edu/academic/ALL%20FILES_V_VIIISEM/ICE/VITOVIIISEM/ECE24042010.pdf -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Open Source Lab in the Anna University Syllabus
Ouch. Wrong Link YET AGAIN. http://www.annauniv.edu/academic/ALL%20FILES_V_VIIISEM/ICE/VITOVIIISEM/CSE_08.04.10_24042010.pdf - Most definitely the correct link -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] how to send mutiple gpointers from g_signal_connect
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Prabhu Gnana Sundar prabh...@ymail.com wrote: I have been working on a project to develop a test bed. I am creating a GUI using Gtk programming. Here now I am required to read inputs from multiple Gtk Entries and process them on a click of a Gtk Button. But I am unable to find how to send multiple gpointers through g_signal_connect. Please guide me. Why would you need multiple pointers? Just call http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/GtkEntry.html#gtk-entry-get-text (gtk_entry_get_text) on each of those GtkEntry-s from your GtkButton clicked handler? -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Is there a workshop on 06-06-2010 in IIT and Zilogic systems
2010/6/5 ஆமாச்சு ramada...@amachu.net: OT ங்கறாதுனால சேர்த்துக்கங்க :-) And since this is [OT], I'd like to say that I had extreme difficulty reading Tamil in amachu's mail. And that is my mother tongue. confusedsmiley -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why GNU should not be added to linux [was] Google drops Windows in their workplace
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: s/Redhat/Red hat. That would be. s/Redhat/Red Hat. That would be s/Redhat/Red Hat/ -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] LAMP Workshop Tomorrow
According to the Wiki (http://wiki.ilugc.in/index.php?title=ILUGC_Summer_Workshops) there is a LAMP workshop at MIT tomorrow. I pinged Ravi Jaya, whose name was on the wiki, and he said that he won't be able to do it tomorrow. Is there someone who can/is going to? -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why GNU should not be added to linux [was] Google drops Windows in their workplace
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Arun SAG saga...@gmail.com wrote: Tell me, What if there is no GNU, No RMS ? No Linux right? By that logic, (to pick one), no Moore, so no Intel, so no Linux, right? Or, no Minix, then no Linux, right? We can't second guess history. -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Series60-Remote - Manage your Symbian mobile in Ubuntu
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Guruprasad lgp171...@gmail.com wrote: But wammu doesn't work perfectly with a lot of Symbian phones. Let me give this application a try with my Nokia N79 and get back with the feedback. Ah okay! It has so far worked perfectly with every phone I've tried it with (a motorolla, an SE phone and a Nokia classic), so didn't know it had trouble with Symbian. Do post your experiences with the N79/ -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Series60-Remote - Manage your Symbian mobile in Ubuntu
I use wammu (aptitude install wammu) for all my sms-from-comp needs. It also syncs up all your other stuff (contacts, todos, etc) -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Series60-Remote - Manage your Symbian mobile in Ubuntu
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 11:35 PM, Jeevaguru M jeevag...@gmail.com wrote: This don't do any sync things. Just Message/Contact/File management. Wammu doesn't require you to install anything on your phone. And yes, you can do management too :) -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Online Education via videos
2010/5/31 சுதன் | suthan 83su...@gmail.com: this thread was really usefull. i am a lecturer, and i have been trying videos from academic earth and nptel to provide additional input to my students. the other websites added will help me more. How well were they received? As a student myself, I've tried to get my staff to use Academic Earth videos with absolutely no success. I even downloaded them myself and gave them DVDs. Any suggestions on what I can do to get my fellow students and faculty more interested? -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Linux usage statistics
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Roshan George ros...@arjie.com wrote: Your friends need VLC and they don't know it. You _must_ help them! Oh yes, one of them has still stuck with Ubuntu after I installed VLC for her. So I did :) Many don't have internet access, and apt offline is not the easiest thing in the world for them to use. And even if they *do* have, they seem to prefer something a web interface (ala download.com) rather than Synaptic (which's problem is, I think, too many packages). I've helped about 7 friends install Linux, and except 1 nobody has stuck with it (even after getting multimedia to work) Ubuntu Software Center is a step in the right direction. But the problem is, once they're bitten by a bad experience, they are extremely reluctant to try Linux again. -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Our New Office Boy - T Srinivasan
2010/5/29 Thyagarajan தியாகராஜன் citizenof...@gmail.com Congrats Shrini, Keep Rocking. +1 :) -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Linux usage statistics
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Girish Venkatachalam girishvenkatacha...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that the GNOME desktop is quite idiot friendly. Windows users will only be slightly uncomfortable with it. Most of my friends who try out Linux give up after it doesn't play *any* of the media they have. Even after all this days open source continues to appeal only to the intelligentsia. And I don't see that changing. Linux the kernel will probably see *very* widespread use (eg. Android) but on a traditional desktop, I don't think it can move beyond the 'intelligentsia' -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
