[ilugd] [OFF-TOPIC] Calling all RHC{T,E}s
Hello, I am a Red Hat employee. In case you have passed an RHCT or an RHCE exam, please write to me. It doesn't matter if your certification is current. I am mkpai [at] redhat com. It would be extra nice of you if you sent me the email from the same email address that you used at the time of the exam. Any information that you reveal to us will NEVER be released to any third party. We are merely trying to build an internal dataset about which cities have the how many members of our certified community. We will not use your information for any commercial purpose. Thanks and best regards, -- Pai ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Zico mailz...@gmail.com wrote: [ ... ] Just wanna know, how come copyrighted piece of code follows GNU license? You're right in a sense: the GNU project opposed copyright in principle. However, copyright law is so widespread and ingrained into society that Richard Stallman, the founder of GNU, decided to attack it from within. So the GNU General Public Licence (the GPL) is effectively a way of subverting copyright while following the rules of copyright and hence, as someone pointed out, copyleft. The end objective is eradication of copyright in any case... when that happens, the GPL will be redundant. Until then, it (or any of the other FOSS licences) can be used in conjunction with copyright law to reverse the effects of copyright. Regards, -- Raju ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net wrote: Copyright is entirely distinct from licensing. If I write a piece of code, or acquire copyright over it by some other means, I can choose to license it to whomever, under whatever conditions I deem fit. Legal eagles can chip in, but roughly speaking, copyright has to do with ownership, while a licence has to do with what terms and conditions that you allow other people to use things under. Not a legal (or any other specie, genus or phylum) of eagle, but technically you may own copyright to a work without having the rights to license it. For instance, when you write a book, the copyright vests with you but the licence to redistribute is with the publisher. I'm also not too clear on how that works, but practically that's what you end up with: copyright with one person, licensing rights with another. Regards, -- Raju ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 16:15:11 +0530 Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net wrote: [...] Legal eagles can chip in, but roughly speaking, copyright has to do with ownership, while a licence has to do with what terms and conditions that you allow other people to use things under. Not a legal (or any other specie, genus or phylum) of eagle, but technically you may own copyright to a work without having the rights to license it. For instance, when you write a book, the copyright vests with you but the licence to redistribute is with the publisher. [...] I thought that issues like exclusive redistribution rights for the publisher came through a contract signed between the author and the publisher, but again could be wrong. How about a legal beagle, if not an eagle. Or, maybe an illegal eagle. Ki gal hai, pappe? Regards, Gora ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] ILUGD meeting: 2.30pm, Sun., 7th March., 2010, SIT, JNU
Hello everyone, We had a lovely meet last month and a pretty useful discussion over freed.in 2010. So we decided to get our act together and meet again on 7th March. Here are confirmed agenda items as of now (Please feel free to add any more agenda items and we can drool over it at the meeting), If anyone is willing to give a walk-through on any FOSS based technology , he is most welcome. Event: ILUG-Delhi meeting Date: Sun., March. 7th, 2010 Time: 2.30pm Agenda: (a) Pros and Cons of having a event at JIIT by Ankur Saxena (from JIIT) (b) How ILUGD/Freed.in can take it to next level for students community ? (By Yogesh (Training and placement head) from RKGIT). (c) Freed.in 2010 Tidbits Participants: All on this list. Venue: School of Information Technology, JNU. For directions, see Area 5 on the map at http://www.jnu.ac.in/main.asp?sendval=JNUCampus Feel free to connect with me at +919911264089 if there are any issues. Regards, Gaurav Mishra Co-founder - Media Redefined - A social media branding consulting studio. # Web: http://www.mediaredefined.com # Blog: http://www.gmishra.com # Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/gmishra # LinkedIn:http://www.linkedin.com/in/gauravmishra7 ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net wrote: Copyright is entirely distinct from licensing. If I write a piece of code, or acquire copyright over it by some other means, I can choose to license it to whomever, under whatever conditions I deem fit. Legal eagles can chip in, but roughly speaking, copyright has to do with ownership, while a licence has to do with what terms and conditions that you allow other people to use things under. Not a legal (or any other specie, genus or phylum) of eagle, but technically you may own copyright to a work without having the rights to license it. For instance, when you write a book, the copyright vests with you but the licence to redistribute is with the publisher. No , this do not happen, You write a book, most publisher just print your name as author but copyright and license to distribute is with publisher. this is must like a IT company where coder (labor) write code and it goes into company account. I'm also not too clear on how that works, but practically that's what you end up with: copyright with one person, licensing rights with another. Regards, -- Raju ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd -- ┌─┐ │Narendra Sisodiya ( नरेन्द्र सिसोदिया ) │Society for Knowledge Commons │Web : http://narendra.techfandu.org └─┘ ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net wrote: Copyright is entirely distinct from licensing. If I write a piece of code, or acquire copyright over it by some other means, I can choose to license it to whomever, under whatever conditions I deem fit. Legal eagles can chip in, but roughly speaking, copyright has to do with ownership, while a licence has to do with what terms and conditions that you allow other people to use things under. Not a legal (or any other specie, genus or phylum) of eagle, but technically you may own copyright to a work without having the rights to license it. For instance, when you write a book, the copyright vests with you but the licence to redistribute is with the publisher. I'm also not too clear on how that works, but practically that's what you end up with: copyright with one person, licensing rights with another. It is not necessary that the author keeps the copyrights himself. The publishing and distribution is another ball game. eg. Raj Mathur can write a book and give copyrights to IlugD. IlugD will then give publishing rights to the publisher. Publisher may give distribution rights to various agencies may be according to various criteria like statewise, sectorwise (academic, commercial, students, libraries etc) and so on. As such, author, copyright holder, publisher, distributor can be differeent entities having different roles and bound by their contracts with the concerned parties. I hope the situation is clear from this example. Regards, -Sudhanwa ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
On Wednesday 03 Mar 2010, narendra sisodiya wrote: No , this do not happen, You write a book, most publisher just print your name as author but copyright and license to distribute is with publisher. this is must like a IT company where coder (labor) write code and it goes into company account. Sorry, copyright vests with the original author. Pick up any book on your shelf and look at the copyright on the publishing page, it will invariably be with the author or the author's estate. As Sudhanwa says, there is a difference between copyright (with author) and publishing and distribution rights (with publisher). One is ownership, the other is a contract. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathurr...@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Wednesday 03 Mar 2010, narendra sisodiya wrote: No , this do not happen, You write a book, most publisher just print your name as author but copyright and license to distribute is with publisher. this is must like a IT company where coder (labor) write code and it goes into company account. Sorry, copyright vests with the original author. Pick up any book on your shelf and look at the copyright on the publishing page, it will invariably be with the author or the author's estate. Sorry , in most of the case copyright will not remain with author, If copyright is with author then multiple publishers will be able to publish it, Please pick book, I have 2-3 book, on my desk 1) Professional Javascript for web developer, wrox 2nd edition Page read it was, (c) 2009 by Wiley Publishing ,, 2) Beginning python 2th edition by apress (c) 2008 Apress, berkley, CA, USA 3) XML and Web Services unleased, (c) 2002 by pearson... there are 3-4 more book on next desk, everywhere you can find that copyright (and thus full power) goes with publisher... As Sudhanwa says, there is a difference between copyright (with author) and publishing and distribution rights (with publisher). One is ownership, the other is a contract. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathurr...@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd -- ┌─┐ │Narendra Sisodiya ( नरेन्द्र सिसोदिया ) │Society for Knowledge Commons │Web : http://narendra.techfandu.org └─┘ ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Wednesday 03 Mar 2010, narendra sisodiya wrote: No , this do not happen, You write a book, most publisher just print your name as author but copyright and license to distribute is with publisher. this is must like a IT company where coder (labor) write code and it goes into company account. Sorry, copyright vests with the original author. Pick up any book on your shelf and look at the copyright on the publishing page, it will invariably be with the author or the author's estate. NO. Author can decide to give copyrights to anyone. There are many Marathi authors who give copyrights of their books to their wife. And there are some who give to the publisher. And there are some authors working for social organisations where the copyrights are given to the organisaitons. // After the death of the copyright holder(if it is person)- not necessarily the author- protecting the rights becomes a legal issue. ( This is from my personal experience. I have to protect rights of some 100+ books for an author expired some years back ). // Regards, -Sudhanwa As Sudhanwa says, there is a difference between copyright (with author) and publishing and distribution rights (with publisher). One is ownership, the other is a contract. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur r...@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:18 PM, narendra sisodiya narendra.sisod...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Wednesday 03 Mar 2010, narendra sisodiya wrote: No , this do not happen, You write a book, most publisher just print your name as author but copyright and license to distribute is with publisher. this is must like a IT company where coder (labor) write code and it goes into company account. Sorry, copyright vests with the original author. Pick up any book on your shelf and look at the copyright on the publishing page, it will invariably be with the author or the author's estate. Sorry , in most of the case copyright will not remain with author, If copyright is with author then multiple publishers will be able to publish it, That happens because publishers do not understand / or are confused. Some of them require authors to sign 'copyright transfer forms', which actually restricts the right to publish/ distribute the same work in substantially similar form. But the vagueness in such agreements can be exploited in legal situations. Best A. Mani -- A. Mani ASL, CLC, AMS, CMS http://www.logicamani.co.cc ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
narendra sisodiya said on Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 07:18:14PM +0530,: there are 3-4 more book on next desk, everywhere you can find that copyright (and thus full power) goes with publisher... Sir, Look at ownership or immoveable property - a piece of land, a residential building, agricultural land, bunglaow, etc. You may be the owner. You can rent it out to A, and assign the right to collect the rent to B. You can mortgage it to C. And assign the right to redeem the mortgage to D. So, you have no possession of the property - it with the tenant. You have no income from the property - it goes to B. YOu have even mortgaged, and no right to redeem. Now, you can actually sell the property. ;-D All this is possible because you have a right, called ownership in the property in question. Like this, the publisher gets teh copyright because it was owned by the author.The author could have licensed only a part, instead of assigning the whole of that ownership. The publisher can now license all or some of the components of the copyright. This is how the film industry works. The producer (copyright owner) assigns the right to distribute the film in certain areas to distributors, who pay him money. Sometimes, this assignment may be permanent. Sometimes, the producer will assign all his rights in perpetuity. SOmetimes, he will assign only world distribution rights. That is a feature, not a bug. If the above is complicated, go through Raj's posts again. THey are simpler. The GPL only utilises the concept of copyright, makes it stand on its head, and gives you more rights than the copyright law allows. This is possible only because copyright subsists in teh GPL'ed work. Deny the GPL, and you do not have any rights in the work - not even to retain a copy of that work on your computer. HTH. -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com A closed mouth gathers no feet. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Mahesh T. Pai paiva...@gmail.com wrote: narendra sisodiya said on Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 07:18:14PM +0530,: there are 3-4 more book on next desk, everywhere you can find that copyright (and thus full power) goes with publisher... Sir, Look at ownership or immoveable property - a piece of land, a residential building, agricultural land, bunglaow, etc. You may be the owner. You can rent it out to A, and assign the right to collect the rent to B. You can mortgage it to C. And assign the right to redeem the mortgage to D. So, you have no possession of the property - it with the tenant. You have no income from the property - it goes to B. YOu have even mortgaged, and no right to redeem. Now, you can actually sell the property. ;-D All this is possible because you have a right, called ownership in the property in question. Like this, the publisher gets teh copyright because it was owned by the author.The author could have licensed only a part, instead of assigning the whole of that ownership. The publisher can now license all or some of the components of the copyright. This is how the film industry works. The producer (copyright owner) assigns the right to distribute the film in certain areas to distributors, who pay him money. Sometimes, this assignment may be permanent. Sometimes, the producer will assign all his rights in perpetuity. SOmetimes, he will assign only world distribution rights. That is a feature, not a bug. If the above is complicated, go through Raj's posts again. THey are simpler. The GPL only utilises the concept of copyright, makes it stand on its head, and gives you more rights than the copyright law allows. This is possible only because copyright subsists in teh GPL'ed work. Deny the GPL, and you do not have any rights in the work - not even to retain a copy of that work on your computer. yes dear, i know all these things, same thing i am also saying, in MOST of the case, publisher takes copyright of book. -- ┌─┐ │Narendra Sisodiya ( नरेन्द्र सिसोदिया ) │Society for Knowledge Commons │Web : http://narendra.techfandu.org └─┘ ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] Ubuntu Live USB on Fedora
Can I create the bootale USB drive for Ubuntu on Fedora 12. I have download the iso but trying to run livecd-iso-to-disk does not help. Please guide. -- Saurabh Sharma Linux user number: 490644 http://sawrub-blog.blogspot.com/ Open your doors...It's time to look beyond Windows ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
The interpretation referred by Sudhanwa is the distribution of copyrighted product. Legally speaking, Copyright in simpler term is a right over the intellectual property to prevent reproducing copyrighted work without the permission of the person who creates the Intellectual Property/work or any person who acquires right over Intellectual Property; and Licence on other hand is permission to use the Intellectual Property in specified manner stipulated in Licence agreement. Licence agreement is the most necessary piece of legal instrument to protect individual's right over the intellectual property. Any person aggrieved from any violation of respective work or terms of agreement may initiate legal action against the breacher before the courts of law. Kamal Dave Advocate --- On Wed, 3/3/10, Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.com wrote: From: Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.com Subject: Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright To: Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org Cc: il...@frodo.hserus.net Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 6:32 PM On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net wrote: Copyright is entirely distinct from licensing. If I write a piece of code, or acquire copyright over it by some other means, I can choose to license it to whomever, under whatever conditions I deem fit. Legal eagles can chip in, but roughly speaking, copyright has to do with ownership, while a licence has to do with what terms and conditions that you allow other people to use things under. Not a legal (or any other specie, genus or phylum) of eagle, but technically you may own copyright to a work without having the rights to license it. For instance, when you write a book, the copyright vests with you but the licence to redistribute is with the publisher. I'm also not too clear on how that works, but practically that's what you end up with: copyright with one person, licensing rights with another. It is not necessary that the author keeps the copyrights himself. The publishing and distribution is another ball game. eg. Raj Mathur can write a book and give copyrights to IlugD. IlugD will then give publishing rights to the publisher. Publisher may give distribution rights to various agencies may be according to various criteria like statewise, sectorwise (academic, commercial, students, libraries etc) and so on. As such, author, copyright holder, publisher, distributor can be differeent entities having different roles and bound by their contracts with the concerned parties. I hope the situation is clear from this example. Regards, -Sudhanwa ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Ubuntu Live USB on Fedora
On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 00:15:14 +0530 Sawrub luckysharm...@gmail.com wrote: Can I create the bootale USB drive for Ubuntu on Fedora 12. I have download the iso but trying to run livecd-iso-to-disk does not help. Please guide. [...] By my guess that ought to be possible, but you might have more luck asking on an Ubuntu specific list, e.g., https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in Please also be more specific: What does ...trying to run livecd-iso-to-disk does not help mean? What are the steps that you are trying, and what are the error messages that you get? Regards, Gora ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Ubuntu Live USB on Fedora
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Sawrub luckysharm...@gmail.com wrote: Can I create the bootale USB drive for Ubuntu on Fedora 12. I have download the iso but trying to run livecd-iso-to-disk does not help. Please guide. Unetbootin -- ┌─┐ │Narendra Sisodiya ( नरेन्द्र सिसोदिया ) │Society for Knowledge Commons │Web : http://narendra.techfandu.org └─┘ ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Ubuntu Live USB on Fedora
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Sawrub luckysharm...@gmail.com wrote: Can I create the bootale USB drive for Ubuntu on Fedora 12. I have download the iso but trying to run livecd-iso-to-disk does not help. Please guide. Yes, You can use UNetbootin to create live USB in fedora 12 too. You need to browse your ISO image and even if you don't have ISO , it can install some popular linux distros from Internet itself. Follow the following link. http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ -- Saurabh Sharma Linux user number: 490644 http://sawrub-blog.blogspot.com/ Open your doors...It's time to look beyond Windows ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Devendra Kumar Gupta ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
Hi, --- On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:21 PM, kamal dave kamal_dave_advoc...@yahoo.com wrote: | ... intellectual property ... Intellectual Property | ... Intellectual Property ... Intellectual Property ... intellectual property. \-- Never seen this so many times on a F/OSS mailing list. Nevertheless, worth reading the following: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr.xhtml SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
Hi All,... If i invent a thing using air water and sunlight. that does not mean my product should be free as i got air water and sunlight free from the mother nature. If i develop a software or modify a software initially developed by someone, it is a intellectual property. The initiator may be willing to give his ideas as donation, but then there are lots of people who dont want to give their work as free... and there is nothing wrong in it. Redhat, Mandriva Enterprise Linux, SLES Are these things wrong NO and no no coz they provide service for the amount they charge... Let me see if anyone is competent enough to be a real FOSS Guy, please come to me, i've lots of student who wants to have a career by passing RHCE and Zend PHP Certification... is there anyone who can offer these free of costatleast the teaching part... I'm a non-veg, and fish is freely available in sea, then why does fisherman sell me Fish and does not give it free of cost, afterall he got it free, did he cultivate it ?... why is the government not blocking them as they are selling which they get free unlike Chicken. So, the moral is that, if someone spends time to develop something, he has the right to give it for free or attach a price tag to it. Reg/NPK On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 1:44 AM, Shakthi Kannan shakthim...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, --- On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:21 PM, kamal dave kamal_dave_advoc...@yahoo.com wrote: | ... intellectual property ... Intellectual Property | ... Intellectual Property ... Intellectual Property ... intellectual property. \-- Never seen this so many times on a F/OSS mailing list. Nevertheless, worth reading the following: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr.xhtml SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd -- Warm Regards, Nishant Prakash Kashyap ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] [OFF-TOPIC] Calling all RHC{T,E}s
On 03/03/2010 02:47 PM, M.K.Pai wrote: Hello, I am a Red Hat employee. In case you have passed an RHCT or an RHCE exam, please write to me. It doesn't matter if your certification is current. I am mkpai [at] redhat com. It would be extra nice of you if you sent me the email from the same email address that you used at the time of the exam. Any information that you reveal to us will NEVER be released to any third party. We are merely trying to build an internal dataset about which cities have the how many members of our certified community. We will not use your information for any commercial purpose. Thanks and best regards, -- Pai ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd What is the authenticity of the mail...? are you a spammer...? Is there any documentation of the same at the REDHAT web ? -- Saurabh Sharma Linux user number: 490644 http://sawrub-blog.blogspot.com/ Open your doors...It's time to look beyond Windows ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Ubuntu Live USB on Fedora
From: Sawrub luckysharm...@gmail.com To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org Sent: Wed, March 3, 2010 12:45:14 PM Subject: [ilugd] Ubuntu Live USB on Fedora Can I create the bootale USB drive for Ubuntu on Fedora 12. I have download the iso but trying to run livecd-iso-to-disk does not help. Please guide. -- Saurabh Sharma Linux user number: 490644 http://sawrub-blog.blogspot.com/ Open your doors...It's time to look beyond Windows ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd I have done it in the past without any problem. Can you post the exact steps you took and the output it generated ? - Mithun ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Ubuntu Live USB on Fedora
On 03/04/2010 01:03 AM, narendra sisodiya wrote: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Sawrub luckysharm...@gmail.com mailto:luckysharm...@gmail.com wrote: Can I create the bootale USB drive for Ubuntu on Fedora 12. I have download the iso but trying to run livecd-iso-to-disk does not help. Please guide. Unetbootin -- ??? ?Narendra Sisodiya ( ) ?Society for Knowledge Commons ?Web : http://narendra.techfandu.org ??? Thanks to all who responded. I was able to find the same in the fedora repos and install using YUM. Now there is an another problem that i'm facing, though the iso that i was having boot well but i was not greeted with a GDM to login, though VT were available to me. As i'm running the fc12.x86_64 out of the box on the machine I downloaded 'ubuntu-9.10-desktop-amd64.iso' to match the arch. Is this issue due to mismatch in arch or is it something else. -- Saurabh Sharma Linux user number: 490644 http://sawrub-blog.blogspot.com/ Open your doors...It's time to look beyond Windows ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Ubuntu Live USB on Fedora
On 03/04/2010 07:54 AM, Sawrub wrote: On 03/04/2010 01:03 AM, narendra sisodiya wrote: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Sawrub luckysharm...@gmail.com mailto:luckysharm...@gmail.com wrote: Can I create the bootale USB drive for Ubuntu on Fedora 12. I have download the iso but trying to run livecd-iso-to-disk does not help. Please guide. Unetbootin -- ??? ?Narendra Sisodiya ( ) ?Society for Knowledge Commons ?Web : http://narendra.techfandu.org ??? Thanks to all who responded. I was able to find the same in the fedora repos and install using YUM. Now there is an another problem that i'm facing, though the iso that i was having boot well but i was not greeted with a GDM to login, though VT were available to me. As i'm running the fc12.x86_64 out of the box on the machine I downloaded 'ubuntu-9.10-desktop-amd64.iso' to match the arch. Is this issue due to mismatch in arch or is it something else. -- Saurabh Sharma Linux user number: 490644 http://sawrub-blog.blogspot.com/ Open your doors...It's time to look beyond Windows No it does not seem what i was taking it to be, since selecting the download of Ubuntu x86_64 live using Unetbootin also started download of following iso. URL : http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-desktop-amd64.iso Please help how to get the GDM. -- Saurabh Sharma Linux user number: 490644 http://sawrub-blog.blogspot.com/ Open your doors...It's time to look beyond Windows ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
By putting a copyright statement i just want to tell the world that the program is mine. By the way by making it a gpl2 licensed software, i am making it opensource. Therefore how am i against the opensource movement? ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
On Thursday 04 Mar 2010, Nishant Prakash Kashyap wrote: So, the moral is that, if someone spends time to develop something, he has the right to give it for free or attach a price tag to it. Those who advocate FOSS agree with you. You have the absolute right to do whatever you want with your book/software/music (note: intangibles, not tangibles). However, some of us also believe that if you don't share your intangible creations freely with the rest of the world, you're not being a good citizen of the world, because you're indulging in hoarding of ideas for your own personal gain. That you can sell your software for money is not questionable. Whether you should or not can be deprecated or lauded, but in this list it can certainly be debated. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathurr...@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:56 PM, A. Mani a.mani@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:18 PM, narendra sisodiya narendra.sisod...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Wednesday 03 Mar 2010, narendra sisodiya wrote: No , this do not happen, You write a book, most publisher just print your name as author but copyright and license to distribute is with publisher. this is must like a IT company where coder (labor) write code and it goes into company account. Sorry, copyright vests with the original author. Pick up any book on your shelf and look at the copyright on the publishing page, it will invariably be with the author or the author's estate. Sorry , in most of the case copyright will not remain with author, If copyright is with author then multiple publishers will be able to publish it, That happens because publishers do not understand / or are confused. Some of them require authors to sign 'copyright transfer forms', which actually restricts the right to publish/ distribute the same work in substantially similar form. But the vagueness in such agreements can be exploited in legal situations. I doubt that publishers do not understand or are confused with the issue: They exploit the situation created in the times of the brick-and-mortar world where the distribution of material had a cost, and converted it into a business which involved copyright-transfer, often exploiting the content creator in the process. When we have a zero-cost for the distribution of digital content, they have no business continuing with the same paradigm, or at least should have no business...We have a similar argument for Open Access publication in the case of academic research, but this is not something that changes overnight. For this change to work, you need a distribution system that allows for the copyright to remain with the author. For those of us in Academia who had a peek at the internet before it burst onto the world, an immediate follow-through of mailing-lists/forums/irc which allowed short term/relatively synchronous multiuser communication bridging geographical seperation, was the creation of digital repositories: I believe the kick-start to open access was the Physics Arxiv [1] which should have changed the rules of the scientific publishing. For those not embedded within the Ivory Towers think Sourceforge for software, Flickr for images and You-tube for video. Merely the existence of a free distribution system is insufficient: The tension in exercising copyright is whether the creator is utilising a hobby or career-skill. In Open Source software, and Academia, open access/source is the given mantra - your career is made in the freedom to utilise the whole ecosystem even if you are expert in a niche area. It is instructive to look at the content of the Arxiv: very little Applied Science or Technology, almost entirely Mathematics and Theoretical Physics - the true artists of Academia, who create for the joy of creating, and require their work to be seen. However, almost all of them are supported through Govt. funding or philanthropy. Not everyone is lucky enough to have the Govt. take over from their parents in supporting their livelihood, enabling them to continue their teenage creative impulses into their careers. Those who earn from their creations, a proper infrastructure to commercialise their efforts is necessary. While shifting to a service model for software is easy, it is not clear how to do this with art, images or video/audio. I think we still need a a few more steps for the revolution to be complete in restoring the initial concept of copyright, and will enable the individual creator to monetize his invention/creation, while enabling its sharing and reuse . The distribution system, and the reuse of content, should involve a revenue-sharing model with the content creator. I am not sure if this exists...? Andrew Lynn. [1] Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArXiv ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 04:34:53 +0530 Nishant Prakash Kashyap npkash...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All,... If i invent a thing using air water and sunlight. that does not mean my product should be free as i got air water and sunlight free from the mother nature. [Long rant snipped] Please look up the difference between free as in freedom, and free as in free beer. FOSS has to do with the former, though people can, and often do choose to also make it free of cost. Easier in Hindi: Mukt, not muft. Regards, Gora ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] Ilugd mailing list submission
hello, Please Subscribe me to the ILUGD mailing list. I'm getting the digested mails rather than individual mails. So please subscribe me to the mailing list. -- Thanks Regards ┌─┐ Raghav Dwivedi 3rd Yr, Information technology Raj Kumar Goel Inst. of Tech. Ghaziabad. └─┘ Linux user #481015 http://www.twitter.com/smokeysunny http://www.facebook.com/smokeysunny http://www.google.com/profiles/raghav.hello Ph. +919718960568, +919473929129 ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] [OFF-TOPIC] Calling all RHC{T,E}s
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 2:47 PM, M.K.Pai madhavprasad@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am a Red Hat employee. In case you have passed an RHCT or an RHCE exam, please write to me. It doesn't matter if your certification is current. I am mkpai [at] redhat com. It would be extra nice of you if you sent me the email from the same email address that you used at the time of the exam. Any information that you reveal to us will NEVER be released to any third party. We are merely trying to build an internal dataset about which cities have the how many members of our certified community. We will not use your information for any commercial purpose. I thought RH and you have better things to do in Life ;-) , anyway before people start calling you by names , you/they could have had an official campaign to mop up the data probably with freebies would have got some results... Good luck with you mission !!! -Satya ps: yes i too am interested in knowing the numbers... ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] [OFF-TOPIC] Calling all RHC{T,E}s
Hi, What is the authenticity of the mail...? are you a spammer...? Is there any documentation of the same at the REDHAT web ? We did think of collecting this data by sending an email to all our our certified community - something along the lines of hi, since you are/were certified with Red Hat, please click on this link and update your profile with us But we decided against that approach because we want to know our certified community better and in person rather than as profiles. I am quite decidedly NOT a spammer. Thats why I gave you my redhat mail address. if you want to see me in person, I guess you'll have to come to the LUG meeting at JNU on the 7th :) Raj Mathur will tell you that I was among the few guys with whom this LUG began - how many years ago. Best regards, -- Pai ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
On 3/4/10, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Thursday 04 Mar 2010, Nishant Prakash Kashyap wrote: So, the moral is that, if someone spends time to develop something, he has the right to give it for free or attach a price tag to it. Those who advocate FOSS agree with you. You have the absolute right to do whatever you want with your book/software/music (note: intangibles, not tangibles). However, some of us also believe that if you don't share your intangible creations freely with the rest of the world, you're not being a good citizen of the world, because you're indulging in hoarding of ideas for your own personal gain. That you can sell your software for money is not questionable. Whether you should or not can be deprecated or lauded, but in this list it can certainly be debated. See, i follow very simple rule in my life. we must restrict knowledge monopoly, Whenever u create/modify something new for example idea, machine, hardware, software, book, thought or anything, it can be termed as a new Object. The process Or ability to design that new Object is called knowledge. You are always allow to hide Object from world but you should never hide knowledge. Otherwise this will be termed as knowledge monopoly. For example - If you make a software and give it to user (free of cost, or charge) without giving source code, this will be a knowledge monopoly. Even if you hide source code, you must share design document to customer, So that he/she can recreate same software. For example - If MS Office share its standards , it will easy for anybody to design software for it. In nutshell, I am agree with the minimum layer where modification/reproduction to some good is possible without any restrictions like (hidden standard, patent, huge money etc) -- ┌─┐ │Narendra Sisodiya ( नरेन्द्र सिसोदिया ) │Society for Knowledge Commons │Web : http://narendra.techfandu.org └─┘ ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] [OFF-TOPIC] Calling all RHC{T,E}s
Hi Satya, I thought RH and you have better things to do in Life ;-) , anyway before people start calling you by names , People calling me names, has seldom bothered me. I'd prefer to focus on the substance behind the criticism. if the substance is there, thats an opportunity for improvement. you/they could have had an official campaign to mop up the data probably with freebies would have got some results... Since I gave my official Red Hat email for this, its about as official as it gets. I was transparent. I said at the outset that I was from Red Hat. I gave an absolute guarantee that the respondents' data would not be misused. I got the initiative vetted by others in the company before I sent it out. We are painfully aware that we could get sued if our conduct is not above board. Good luck with you mission !!! Thanks :) -Satya ps: yes i too am interested in knowing the numbers... I'll tell you now. Again I am being as transparent as I can. India has the highest number of RHCEs anywhere in the world. If a community has to be started, this is where we need to start it. Regards, -- Pai ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] [OFF-TOPIC] Calling all RHC{T,E}s
Hi Madhav On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:59 AM, M.K.Pai madhavprasad@gmail.com wrote: Hi Satya, I thought RH and you have better things to do in Life ;-) , anyway before people start calling you by names , People calling me names, has seldom bothered me. I'd prefer to focus on the substance behind the criticism. if the substance is there, thats an opportunity for improvement. you/they could have had an official campaign to mop up the data probably with freebies would have got some results... Since I gave my official Red Hat email for this, its about as official as it gets. I was transparent. I said at the outset that I was from Red Hat. I gave an absolute guarantee that the respondents' data would not be misused. I got the initiative vetted by others in the company before I sent it out. We are painfully aware that we could get sued if our conduct is not above board. Good luck with you mission !!! Thanks :) -Satya ps: yes i too am interested in knowing the numbers... I'll tell you now. Again I am being as transparent as I can. India has the highest number of RHCEs anywhere in the world. If a community has to be started, this is where we need to start it. Regards, -- Pai ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Thanx for the initiative. In any case, if there is spam or unmeaningful discourse in the list, I can block the offending sender email-id/domain/subject/body etc. I am sure most on this list can do that too. But I would like to give this initiative the benefit of doubt- maybe this will benefit RHCEs to get better jobs, more exposure to contests - like RHCE of the year, etc and other opportunities. I have registered on your official mail-id. Will pass on your message to RHCEs who might not be on this list as well. Regards -- Varad Gupta Keen Able Computers Pvt Ltd FOSTERing Linux ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] Project Eduvid Meeting cum Brain Storming at 7march 2010 2pm to 4pm
I invite you all for having a brain storming session on Project Eduvid at Sunday 7 March 2 to 5 pm : You can get information on project Eduvid on my website : http://eduvid.techfandu.org/ , most of the content is old, I have all ideas in mind which i want to deliver. Project eduvid is all about creating a new educational content delivery/creation system at low bandwidth. This is one of the biggest project I can imagine and working from my college days, I have left my job also for this purpose. Together we can digg possibilities for its implementation. I am also looking forward for having a register NPO (non profit foundation) and will seen board member too. May be we can get funding via this method. Venue : http://knowledgecommons.in/contact Society for Knowledge Commons B-130 - Lower Ground Floor Shivalik, Malaviya Nagar, New Delhi -17 09312166995 -- ┌─┐ │Narendra Sisodiya ( नरेन्द्र सिसोदिया ) │Society for Knowledge Commons │Web : http://narendra.techfandu.org └─┘ ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] Fwd: [OFF-TOPIC] Calling all RHC{T,E}s
-- Forwarded message --
From: Saurabh Sharma luckysharm...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [ilugd] [OFF-TOPIC] Calling all RHC{T,E}s
To: M.K.Pai madhavprasad@gmail.com
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:43 AM, M.K.Pai madhavprasad@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
What is the authenticity of the mail...? are you a spammer...? Is there any
documentation of the same at the REDHAT web ?
We did think of collecting this data by sending an email to all our
our certified community - something along the lines of hi, since you
are/were certified with Red Hat, please click on this link and update
your profile with us But we decided against that approach because we
want to know our certified community better and in person rather than
as profiles.
I am quite decidedly NOT a spammer. Thats why I gave you my redhat
mail address. if you want to see me in person, I guess you'll have to
come to the LUG meeting at JNU on the 7th :)
Raj Mathur will tell you that I was among the few guys with whom this
LUG began - how many years ago.
Best regards,
-- Pai
The way i was thinking this to be a SPAM activity is by asking
hundreds of persons RHC{T/E} on the lists to spam the
mkpai[at]redhat[dot]com mail box, with responses. The thought that
RedHat would be having the id's in their DB since result was sent to
that only, led to suspicion.
By the way, I too will be mailing you and will love to meet at JNU if
time permits.
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