Re: [ilugd] [LUG@IITD:16837] another question about GIT

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Nalin Savara  wrote:
| Hence ; if my files were in:
| /sdkpath/samples/helloWorld
|
| only the folder "helloWorld" I made into git repos-- and repeatedly
|
| Now; I want to make changes to the parent tree also-- and commit the entire
| parent tree to a GIT main repository-- eg: bitbucket.
\--

Firstly, you need to stop thinking in terms of files and folders.

Git doesn't track folders, but, content changes. Give us the big
picture. What is your workflow like, and why do you want to keep
moving the folders?

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Re: [ilugd] Detections of GPL violations, and compliance efforts

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Hi Gora,

--- On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Gora Mohanty  wrote:
| As people here might not be familiar with the subject,
| SFLC, India is willing to arrange a 2-3 day training session
| with an expert from the US.
\--

Any news or update on this?

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Re: [ilugd] Detections of GPL violations, and compliance efforts

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Hi,

--- On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Gora Mohanty  wrote:
| Are people interested in becoming involved in efforts
| by SFLC, India in detecting violations of open-source
| licenses,
| ...
\--

I am interested in participating in such a workshop. Weekend would be nice.

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Re: [ilugd] Starting Ilug JNU Chapter

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Hi Ashish:

--- On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Ashish Bhatia
 wrote:
| Short reply: "I cannot think of a single mail which will be sent to
| jnu list and not ilugd or vice-versa"
\--

It depends on the context.

---
| I doubt community in JNU is big enough to solve their issues on their
| own. (correct me if I am wrong)
\--

We are no one to judge others.

---
| But ilugd is a low frequency mailing list.
| Let them ask as many questions as they want
|
| Since you are a member, I hope you agree that their is not much
| discussion going on
| in ilugd anyways.
\--

These doesn't matter. There is something called 'belongingness'.
Having a user group within a college that they already belong to,
gives them the ecosystem and comfort that they already have ... (1)

---
| I would have supported creation of ilug-jnu if the queries from them
| (college-specific queries) grows too much.
\--

But, when and who decides to ask them to create their own user group
without causing much noise? As much as we want to grow the ecosystem,
controlling noise is quite a challenge.

---
| Please explain how does it impact whether a person is sharing a tip on
| ilug-JNU or ilug-d (I think a person would
| prefer sharing on ilugd even if (s)he was studying at JNU since that
| gives a larger name)
\--

See (1).

---
| But will a JNU student have any objection if a DCE/IIT guy comes and
helps him?
| Then why not post on ilugd (infact, they will post on both)
| ...
| What happens is that in this case, anyone in need of help will post on
| as many mailing lists as possible.
| (for example, how to config XYZ ISP router or FOSS meet)
| There will be duplicate mails on both lists.
\--

They ought to be taught to ask their local college user group first
because there could be other users who have had the same problem, and
could have solved it. If the problem is not resolved, they could ask
the city user group for support.

Most colleges that I have seen are far away from the cities. Having a
local meet-up in the premises helps greatly in knowledge sharing
amongst peers.

Irrespective of how many groups are created, they will all have to
stand the test of time, or cease to exist. We can do as much as we can
to help them, and hope for the best.

I am not saying you should agree with all my views. I welcome your
honest replies.

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Re: [ilugd] Starting Ilug JNU Chapter

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 1:28 AM, Ashish Bhatia
 wrote:
| Why?
| I never understood this tendency of creating new "college-specific" LUGs
| What are you going to discuss there which cannot be discussed on
| ILUG-D.
\--

* A college-specific user group helps in catering to the needs of the
college students, faculty, and management.

* Students graduate and leave every year, but, having a local presence
can help sustain the F/OSS activities through the years.

* Many a time there are queries related to F/OSS in their respective
labs, and people who are part of the college can discuss it in such a
group.

For example, IIT-M use cntlm for proxy authentication, and they share
the configuration setup in their user group. As outsiders, we are not
concerned about it. But, being a member in their group we can learn
from each other.

* If you need to organize events, workshops in colleges, it helps to
contact the college user group, and such discussions happen there.
Imagine if there are 70 colleges in and around Delhi and all of them
had discussions simultaneously on the Delhi user group.

* It gives the active participants of the college user group,
recognition for their work. After all, it is only in our world, that
true credit is given to people for their work, with no strict
hierarchy.

---
| Locality specific LUGs are good since the aim is to bring people
| living in close proximity in
| contact (eg. to discuss local ISP specific issues or for career opportunities)
| but college specific?
\--

The locality can be a college too to help them (online and offline) with:

* Installing a distribution
* Troubleshooting network connectivity
* Programming help
* System/network configuration help
* Training
* ...

---
| and if its really college specific why is everyone being invited to join?
\--

We believe that human knowledge belongs to the world, and it is
important to share it with others. You don't need to join, if you
don't want to help.

Regards,

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Re: [ilugd] Help me for a project

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 4:09 AM, Viksit Gaur  wrote:
| Actually, that account is dead for some reason.
\--

Temporarily offline. You can also find a copy at:

  
http://shakthimaan.fedorapeople.org/presentations/i-want-2-do-project-tell-me-wat-2-do.pdf

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Re: [ilugd] e-filing IT returns?

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Mahesh T. Pai  wrote:
| There seem to be differences and problems here.
|
| The It side has only one version of Saral II/ ITR-1 form; The odf is
| just ITR 1; but there is total difference in number of columns /
| cells, etc.
|
| Uner "Income & Deductions", the ods does not total deductions under
| Chapter VI A.  The .xls file does the totalling as item 6, the .ods as
| 5.  This sonws a "Suggested Value: 354000" figure.
|
| Sigh!!!
\--

Since it is a F/OSS project you can write to the author (Terence
Monteiro) giving your feedback, and requesting your changes.

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Re: [ilugd] e-filint IT returns?

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Mahesh T. Pai  wrote:
| Does anybody here e-file IT returns?
|
| Are you able to do it from a FLOSS platform, err.. a PC running
| GNU/Linux?
|
| The IT department provides onl a .xls file, and a .pdf file; the
| former gives several errors in OO.o, the latter does not open, not
| even in the official acroread I had downloaded from
| marillat. (Marillat is the non-official repository of encumbered
| software for Debian).
\--

Have you tried 'The IT Returns Migration' project?

  http://freedom-matters.in/

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Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:21 PM, kamal dave
 wrote:
| ... intellectual property ... Intellectual Property
| ... Intellectual Property ... Intellectual Property ... intellectual
property.
\--

Never seen this so many times on a F/OSS mailing list. Nevertheless,
worth reading the following:

  http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr.xhtml

SK

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Re: [ilugd] Building tool chain for cross compiling linux for arm

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Suraj Swami  wrote:
| I have just started an embedded project and I want to cross compile Linux
| kernel and hence a distribution for a arm processor.
|
| In short a how to on developing tool chain for cross-compiling Linux
\--

If you only want to cross-compile the Linux kernel, and user-land
applications, you can always use an existing cross-compiler/toolchain.
Check CodeSourcery, for example:

  http://www.codesourcery.com/

Most development boards already provide their own toolchain which you
can use. Building a cross-compiler for a target hardware is entirely
different. Please read:

Karim Yaghmour. 2003. Building Embedded Linux Systems. O'Reilly.

  http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596002220

Also refer Dan Kegels' crosstool:

  http://kegel.com/crosstool/

When replying in digest-mode, please remove the digest messages. You
have left a whole trail of messages when posting  your question. It
helps to follow some mailing list guidelines. For a start, please
refer:

  
http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/mailing-list-etiquette.pdf

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Re: [ilugd] [fosscomm] Start PhD and special department for FOSS Research in India

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

Some thoughts below:

--- 2009/12/1 narendra sisodiya :
| Hope this will be useful start -
| http://www.petitiononline.com/fossrnd1/petition.html
\--

1. There are faculty in India who use Free/Open Source Software for
their work, without having to get stuck with any vendor or be
subjugated to restrictive third-party license terms.

2. What is required, IMO, is to help the other researchers who are yet
to hear of it, to use it to benefit their needs in the process of
creating more knowledge. This way, one can get F/OSS to be used in
different departments and domain streams, rather than trying to bring
all of them under a single department, or to pursue one.

3. You can make people from different backgrounds and departments to
_converge_ at user group meetings to answer queries, discuss on
topics, help with development work etc., while they continue to
represent their departments.

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Re: [ilugd] How to connect Tata Indicom Photon +

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 6:36 PM, abhishek jain
 wrote:
| I have a USB modem and when i run wvdialconf i get the following error.
| [r...@localhost abhishek]# wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf
|
| It does not detect the USB modem. Also there is no /dev/ttyUSB0 file,
\--

If the USB modem is not detected, how can you dial? After you plugin
the device, paste the output of "/bin/dmesg". You can save output to a
file, for example:

  $ /bin/dmesg > dmesg.txt

SK

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Re: [ilugd] help nedded to install vlc.tar.bz2

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Amar Singh wrote:
| thanks to all  to guide me
| this is my first query please help me
\--

You can extract the .tar.bz2 using:

  tar xjvf vlc.tar.bz2

Enter into the extracted directory, and follow the README and/or INSTALL file.

Or, I'd suggest you use the distribution (whichever you are using)
package manager to install software.

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Re: [ilugd] KDE 4 Plasma, Dolphin, Gnome Docky, Okular, Kompare, Pidgin, OO, Thunderbird, Netbeans, Firefox, Mysql Workbench.. Thank you all!

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 2:36 AM, Anupam Jain wrote:
| A Project Management app like Project - Planner is a so-so alternative
\--

Clocking IT?
http://www.clockingit.com/

SK

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Re: [ilugd] Fwd: [fosscom] NCERT Operating System

[Shakthi Kannan]

Forwarded again with good intention!

-- Forwarded message --
From: Jaijit Bhattacharya 
Date: Fri, May 29, 2009 at 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [fosscom] [Fwd: NCERT Operating System]

Dear Jitendra,

Here is the contacts of Dr Sharma:

Dr Rajaram S Sharma

Head, Department of Computer Education and Technology Aids (DCETA)

Email:rajaramsha...@gmail.com
Phone:   26569630

The NCERT OS is FOSS and royalty free as well as free of any charges and
there are no controls to accessing it. It is available freely and should
be distributed freely with the NCERT books. It maps the NCERT curriculum
to the FOSS softwares.

The contents of the OS has been designed by IIM Ahmedabad. I will send the
report once I get it.

Do let me know if you could speak to Dr Sharma.

Thanks

Jaijit

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Re: [ilugd] Fwd: [fosscom] NCERT Operating System

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Mayank  wrote:
| Where can we get a copy of this software ? I am saying software and not OS
| cauz' the mail doesn't clarify if the software developed is a Desktop
| Manager of a full fledged operating system.
\--

Could you please e-mail the original authors and find out?

This news is as new to me as it is to others!

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[ilugd] Fwd: [fosscom] NCERT Operating System

[Shakthi Kannan]

Forwarded FYI!
(Didn't know NCERT had something like this going on!)

-- Forwarded message --
From: Jaijit Bhattacharya 
Date: Thu, May 28, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Subject: [fosscom] [Fwd: NCERT Operating System]
To: netw...@lists.fosscom.in

All,

It would be really helpful if some of you could impress upon NCERT to
adopt Open source in the curriculum and to do teacher training in open
source. The view of the new Director for ICT enabled education, Dr Sharma,
is that FOSS is an added layer of complexity on top of ICT.

Any help at this stage would be much appreciated.

Thanks
Jaijit

 Original Message 
Subject:        NCERT Operatin System
Date:   Thu, 28 May 2009 13:16:09 +0530
From:   Ritu ghosh 
To:     Jaijit Bhattacharya 

Jaijit,

The NCERT Desktop also referred as NCERT OS has completed its first  phase
and has been installed in the Lab of NCERT at Delhi. This Lab is  used to
conduct the  training programs for teachers and employees of   various
state boards.

The  NCERT operating system is collaborative effort of IIT Delhi and
NCERT and  is envisioned to be a collection of all relevant Free and  Open
Source software that is needed for a school student to follow the  school
curriculum, without the need to pay for expensive proprietary and  poor
quality software.
It includes a Free/Open Source operating System and all additional
educational open source software.

In case the expert from the state boards get hands on experience working
with the Open Source educational applications, along with their planned
training schedule , it will be  a significant step towards the future of
the IT education in India.

We can also distribute the copies of the installable version of this
desktop to the participants for them to go back and familiarize
themselves with this easy to use, robust and interactive learning medium.

Should you require more details about the Desktop, please let us know.

Looking forward to your inputs.

Thanks & Regards
Ritu Ghosh

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[ilugd] [Photos] http://fosjam.in, Jaipur Engineering College and Research Centre, Jaipur

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

I would like to thank the Free/Open Source Software user group members
of Jaipur [1] [2] and the Jaipur Engineering College and Research
Centre Foundation for organizing http://fosjam.in between May 16-17,
2009 at their college premises, Jaipur, Rajasthan, India.

* The event has been organized in 10 days time, with heavy discussions
on #lug-jaipur on irc.freenode.net. I was overwhelmed by the
enthusiasm of the students. The online registration rose to 280+.

We had students coming from outside Jaipur as well, and it was a mad
rush. The organizers didn't have the heart to say "no", but, they
still managed to accommodate 200 people. This, I assume, is the first
time that this kinda workshop has been planned at this place. People,
there is no need to panic! It is not the end of the world, yet, and
this is not the last workshop that we are going to do in Jaipur.

* The profiles of the user group members are at:
http://fosjam.in/about/about-lug-jaipur/

Special thanks to all of them for their energy, spirit, dynamism in
organizing the event.

* I also met students from Malaviya National Institute of Technology,
(MNIT), Swami Keshvanand Institute of Technology (SKIT), Gyan Vihar
Institute of Technology et. al.

* It was a pleasure to meet the Director of the Institution, Mr. Arpit
Agarwal, a young, open-minded entrepreneur, who was very happy and
eager to hear students talking about Free/Open Source. His continued
support for this cause, is greatly appreciated. He is happy to help us
in organizing more workshops for the young minds, or even a national
FOSS unconference in Jaipur!

* There are about 17+ colleges around Jaipur, and workshops have to be
taken to other places like Kota, Udaipur, Jodhpur, Bikaner et. al.
Most of them are affiliated to Rajasthan Technical University (RTU).

* Some students are fluent in English. Most of them prefer to converse
in Hindi. Of course, technical jargon is in English. So, it is mostly
Hinglish [3].

* A separate IRC session was organized to show people how to login and use IRC.

* Lot of them use Fedora or some distribution, and are extremely happy
with it. Those who enjoy it have realized the power of Free/Open
Source Software. The others have started to realize that there is
something important here that they can work with.

* My presentations, code, documentation are available at:
http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads.html

* Some photos taken during the trip are at:
http://www.shakthimaan.com/Mambo/gallery/album56

* The organizers could possible provide more concrete statistics on
the event. Please bear for some time for people to get back their
sleep, and you will hear more from blogs, event reports, photos.

This is just the beginning.

Best regards,

SK

[1] http://lugj.in
[2] http://groups.google.co.in/group/lugj
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinglish

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Re: [ilugd] FOSJAM 2009 16/17th May Jaipur

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Hi,

--- On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 11:08 PM, anirudh shekhawat
 wrote:
| The event will showcase workshops by free software developers in India, who
| have been an actively contributing to the open source community for a long
| time now.
\--

Don't mix it up! To be safe, just say Free/Open Source (FOSS or FLOSS)
community.

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Re: [ilugd] Help in getting reliance Huawei datacard EC121 to work on Ubuntu

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Leena  wrote:
| I tried to carry out the steps and still not successful in getting modem
| recognized...
\--

USB devices can operate in different configurations (mass storage,
modem, etc.), and by default USB modems are configured to use mass
storage, so the drivers get installed before they can operate as a
modem.

Hence, in your dmesg output, you see that the modem is detected as mass storage:

May 13 11:13:30 leena-laptop kernel: [ 1618.148842] USB Mass Storage
support registered.

---
| 1. Download the program usb_modeswitch from
\--

So, this program switches the configuration from mass storage to
modem. Maybe, Ubuntu already provides this package:

  apt-cache search usb_modeswitch
  sudo apt-get install usb_modeswitch

---
| 6. Create a script named mydevice_switch.sh under /sbin              *  I
| have doubt here too!!!*
| under folder sbin I created .sh file as gedit mydevice_switch.sh
\--

For testing, you can simply copy the script to your HOME folder (or
maybe it comes from your installed package?), and try to run it from
there.

Before you run it, open a terminal and type "sudo tail -f
/var/log/messages". Run the script and see what messages you get. You
will probably see a /dev/ttyACM0 device connected message -- which is
the device file that talks to the modem. You should now be able to
dial and use the modem.

---
| THis post was very thorough and thanks for listing it, as I said I am new to
| linux hence would have made some mistakes.
\--

While we cannot see what you are doing in the GUI, it is very easy to
tell what the system is doing from output of console commands. Even if
newbies, mistakenly, give wrong outputs, we can easily tell. They are
very powerful, indeed.

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Re: [ilugd] Help in getting reliance Huawei datacard EC121 to work on Ubuntu

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Leena  wrote:
| Output is as follows:
| r...@leena-laptop:/home/leena# /bin/dmesg | tail -10
| [  111.860905] wlan0: Initial auth_alg=0
|
\--

[Snip]

I don't see any USB related output here. Do the following instead:

1. Remove the USB modem from the laptop.
2. Open a terminal and do "sudo tail -f /var/log/messages".
3. Plug-in the USB modem, and you will see some output in (2). Please
post the output that you see.

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Re: [ilugd] Help in getting reliance Huawei datacard EC121 to work on Ubuntu

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Hi,

--- On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Leena  wrote:
| le...@leena-laptop:~$ wvdial conf
| --> WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.60
| --> Warning: section [Dialer conf] does not exist in wvdial.conf.
| --> Cannot open /dev/modem: No such file or directory
|
| and lsusb is able to detect product & version etc.
| le...@leena-laptop:~$ lsusb
| Bus 004 Device 002: ID 12d1:1411 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd.
\--

Could you please post the output "/bin/dmesg | tail -10", after you
have connected the USB modem to the laptop?

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Re: [ilugd] What's the syntax to install any software

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Hi,

--- On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Inder Bagga  wrote:
| I'm using fedora10, actually i've tata indicom's wireless modem which i 've
| tried to configure , but it doesn't work..
\--

This, IMHO, should have been your first question. Not sure which modem
you are using. Please search online on using Tata Indicom modem with
Fedora, and you will find useful tutorials/HOWTOs.

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Re: [ilugd] What's the syntax to install any software

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Inder Bagga  wrote:
| i 've downloaded gcc from softpedia
\--

Why?

---
|  so, now i don't know how to install
| this..
\--

Which distro (Ubuntu/Debian/Fedora/...) are you using? Please use your
distro package manager to install software.

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[ilugd] Fwd: [JOB] Project on FOSS adoption in Indian education

[Shakthi Kannan]

FYI,

=== Forwarded message ===
From: Prabhu Ramachandran 
Date: Mon, May 4, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Subject: [JOB] Project on FOSS adoption in Indian education

Hello,

Project positions are open at IIT Bombay for a new government funded
project on adoption of Free/Open Source Software (FOSS) in Indian
science and engineering education.  Applicants may email their resumes
along with a one page writeup on why they think they are well suited for
the project to:

   admin.foss[at]iitb.ac.in

News, announcements and details regarding the project are available here:

 http://www.aero.iitb.ac.in/~prabhu/Projects/FOSSEducation


Overview of the project
---

The eventual goal is to replace the use of commercial tools in Indian
science and engineering education at the college level.  Towards this we
are working on the following broad themes:

 - Python for scientific computing.
 - Scilab (http://www.scilab.org, http://www.scilab.in).
 - Multimedia authoring tool suited for Indian languages with a LaTeX
  backend.
 - Other projects related to the above.

I will be personally involved with the "Python for scientific computing"
component.  This will broadly involve:
   - NumPy (http://numpy.scipy.org),
   - SciPy (http://www.scipy.org),
   - matplotlib (http://matplotlib.sf.net),
   - Sage (http://www.sagemath.org),
   - Mayavi (http://code.enthought.com/projects/mayavi),
   - ETS (http://code.enthought.com/projects),
   - SymPy (http://code.google.com/p/sympy),
and various other packages of interest.

As part of the project you will have opportunity to work with the core
developers of these major projects.

Requirements


The positions are all for a maximum duration of 3 years.  The initial
appointment will be for a period of 1 year which will be extended based
on performance.

   - Project manager: 1 position
   - Technical writer: 1 position
   - Software Developers/content generators:
   - Python: 4 positions
   - Scilab: 3 positions
   - LaTeX: 2 positions

You will need to stay on campus or commute to IITB.  Accommodation will
be provided if available, otherwise HRA will be provided.

Qualifications
---

Project manager:
   - Good knowledge of programming and open source software community
   - People management
   - Communication
   - Organizational skills

Technical writer:
   - Excellent language and communication skills (spoken and written)
   - Familiarity with computers
   - Willingness to learn

Programmers/content generators:
   - Willingness to learn
   - Good programming skills
   - Passion for FOSS
   - Experience with FOSS
   - Good math and science skills

System administration and web development skills are also required so
strong applications with those skills would also be considered.
Experience with Python/Scilab/LaTeX is a plus.  Experience with working
on a FOSS project is a big plus.

Job description
---

As part of this project you will work towards creating material for
adoption of the various existing FOSS tools in the science and
engineering curriculum.  This will involve generation of a significant
amount of documentation in the form of tutorials, audio/video
demonstrations, written material, and lectures.  The material will often
go towards augmenting existing courses.  The project will involve
working with several well known packages and improving them both in
terms of documentation and code to add features or fix bugs.

We will be hosting several workshops, sprints and conferences where you
will get to meet the developers of many important packages.

Remuneration
-

The pay will be in the range Rs. 1 to 3 depending on the
qualifications and experience.  For extra-ordinary people the upper
limit is flexible.  Accommodation will be provided on campus if
available.

Why you should apply


   - You get paid to improve and write FOSS.
   - You get to do really meaningful work -- your work will influence
 generations of future students all over India and potentially
 elsewhere.
   - You get to work on some of the most important projects that will
 influence the future of science and engineering.
   - You get to meet and work with the authors of various important
 packages.
   - You will be at IIT Bombay and will have best of both worlds --
 good pay and an academic environment.

Thanks.
Prabhu Ramachandran http://www.aero.iitb.ac.in/~prabhu

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Re: [ilugd] Terminology please was (Re: Come join)

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Nalin Savara  wrote:
| (1) Thx for ur msg-- that wasnt supposed to go to the group at large.
|
| (2) Relax, I know the difference between a hacker and a cracker-- it's just
| that I cudnt resist shooting off that mail to machine!!!
\--

"Educating" people about our community and culture is something that
this group has been doing for a long time. I respect that. (2) and (1)
just sent the wrong message to the group. Hence, my reply.

Best wishes,

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[ilugd] Terminology please was (Re: Come join)

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Nalin Savara  wrote:
| Hey Machine...
| Quit Spammin dis damn group.
|
| Else the group hackers will disassemble yo lovelyvik gmail acct!!!
\--

1. When you reply to an automated e-mail or spam, please change the
subject line, because by continuing to use the subject line, you are
giving credit to the spam, which is one of its intended objectives..

2. Terminology please. Hackers are programmers who pursue programming
with a passion, and who are eager to solve challenging problems. You
are referring to crackers.

Please read:
* http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html.
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_(academia).

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Re: [ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1

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Hi,

--- On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:15 PM, shirish  wrote:
| Let's take a very real as well as hypothetical scenario.
\--

Just out of curiosity, may I ask what license do you use for your
day-to-day phone/in-person conversation?

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Re: [ilugd] .ssh/known_hosts

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Hi,

--- On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Yashpal Nagar  wrote:
| y...@yash-desktop:~$ ssh-keygen -h
| ssh-keygen: illegal option -- h
\--

Yes, there is no -h option, but, you will get the list of available
options, and you should see an entry for "-R hostname Remove host from
known_hosts file" in the output.

The openssh version that you are using is available here:
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/1:4.7p1-8ubuntu1.2

The -R option is available in ssh-keygen.c file in usage(void) function.

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Re: [ilugd] .ssh/known_hosts

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Hi,

--- On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Yashpal Nagar  wrote:
| But .ssh/known_hosts doesn't record the keys with hostname/IPs, atleast with
| OpenSSH_4.7 with Ubuntu. So this option is not helpful.
|
| I understand older openssh-clients-3.6.1p2-18 such as on RHEL 3.0, records
| keys along with IP/hostnames But there is no "-R" option with ssh-keygen!
\--

I am using openssh-client 1:4.7p1-12 on Debian lenny/sid. What does
"ssh-keygen -h" return?

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Re: [ilugd] .ssh/known_hosts

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Hi,

--- On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:34:43 + Yashpal Nagar
 wrote:
| When i tried to ssh this server it gave me offending key warning on my
| local
| server (/home/yash/.ssh/known_hosts)  because I had recently formatted
| the
| target host, So the finger print/key is changed which is normal.
\--

You can remove the offending key by using:

  ssh-keygen -R 

Replace  with the machines' hostname or IP address.

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Re: [ilugd] List of Corporates using Linux Desktops?

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Hi,

--- On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 12:29 AM, Nalin Savara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| SO... (if I may ask) what technologies do you focus on ?
\--

FOSS, embedded.

I prepared a list years back just in case students wanted info on (not
maintained now though):
http://www.shakthimaan.com/misc/database.html

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Re: [ilugd] List of Corporates using Linux Desktops?

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Prakhar Agarwal
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| I really appreciate everyone's view on this thread and I feel
| more collaboration is required between Colleges/professional institutes and
| FOSS-aware industry. Keep pouring your thoughts! I love this discussion in a
| hope that we might reach a plan of action. :)
\--

I would also like to thank the students who came forward to raise lot
of questions in this thread. We need more students like these who can
openly discuss issues, and seek feedback/support from the community
list.

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Re: [ilugd] List of Corporates using Linux Desktops?

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Hi,

My thoughts below:

--- On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 7:07 PM, Chirag Anand
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| Can you tell me, that so many FOSS companies are here on this mailing list
| but why you do not come to campuses?
\--

Most of the time if the student is interested in FOSS and has done
*credible* work, they will already have the Industry contacts through
the projects that they work with, and are easily picked. As I said
earlier, people who know their stuff will always have their jobs :)

Typically, in "large" MNCs, it is usually that customer is billed for
mass numbers, but, only very few who know about the project will work
in it. The others like it because they get paid for no work. Most
people also like getting paid and being on "bench", and prefer to be
in this state for years. But, there may not be any progressive growth
as an individual. Maybe, they just like it that way.

But, in FOSS, you have to work, and learn. Curiosity helps.

---
| Or why you do not take freshers (i may
| be wrong here)
\--

Because, people who work on FOSS do it, because they love what they
do! Prior experience helps, because, if you didn't like it in the
first place, you wouldn't be working in it, anyways.

And it is very easy to find out if a student is interested in FOSS or not.

---
| some experience? Ultimately, even if we go to companies like tcs, infy etc.
| we wont be getting any FOSS exposure there.
\--

Why do you think so? Maybe you will be put in a project involving Perl
or Python. They probably just don't know that it is FOSS :)

---
| Just becuase, we have been promoting FOSS/Linux
| in our colleges and have contributed something to FOSS and advocating and
| fighting for it, make us good enough for your firm?
\--

Sure.

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Re: [ilugd] List of Corporates using Linux Desktops?

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Hi,

--- On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Prakhar Agarwal
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| Its the *single-most* issue that precludes the faculty as well as their
| students from learning anything new.
\--

That is again a common assumption that students make in this country.
You need to take the faculty and management out of the equation. You
really didn't have to get their permission to write to this mailing
list, did you? :)

In an ideal world, it will be nice if they learnt and taught FOSS,
but, it isn't, yet.

---
| Seriously?? Should watching movies every alternate day in nearby mall also
| be included in this time bound competing environment of techie student? Its
| all about Grades, Grades and Grades!! If you don't have it you are not a
| good engineer/student. That's it, finished.
\--

That is the mindset of students and parents. If you don't want to
believe, you needn't :) But, then if you did it because they forced
it, then you really wouldn't enjoy doing it for a long time.

---
| Their predilection towards FOSS eats up their study time also but they don't
| complain as they enjoy what they do, they have freedom(speech), no cramming
| to do, pure knowledge flows from IRC to MLs to chats. The very essence of
| FOSS, IMHO, is _the_ way to learn to which humans adapt naturally "if" they
| are exposed.
\--

And hence the FOSS guys who know their stuff will always have their
jobs, no matter, what the status of the economy is in :)

---
| FOSS can enter colleges
| in true sense when Industry starts looking up to it in the way it should be
| done.
\--

They all do. Just that they don't term it as FOSS because they don't know it is.
http://fossjobs.wordpress.com

---
| So, one has to go out of the
| way to accomplish something and prove that its worthy enough to be included
| in the syllabus.
\--

One cannot also force FOSS onto anyone. People will end up doing it
because it is in the syllabus, and not that they enjoy the power of
bash, or the freedom of source code, or the community that evolves
around it.

FOSS doesn't come to you, you go to it.

Regards,

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Re: [ilugd] List of Corporates using Linux Desktops?

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Hi,

My thoughts below:

--- On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:11 PM, narendra sisodiya
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| ### Only so called Techie students from CS use Linux.
\--

Because there is a misconception that only CS/IT have to use computers
for all their work. The division of departments in "academic"
institutions in India is only for easier administration. For the same
reason, students generally don't tend to do collaborative projects
with other departments.

---
| companies which are working in foss domain, should call for project
| guidance for BE projects. By This way, students will start contributing in
| foss projects.
\--

IMO that is the most common incorrect approach that students take
because they do it because they want jobs, not that they really love
working with FOSS. If one doesn't like or love what they do, they will
not continue to do so.

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Re: [ilugd] Hardware for Software??

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Hi,

--- On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Prakhar Agarwal
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| market. My dilemma is- We make software for hardware or vice versa??
\--

There is both hardware-independant and dependant software. Whether it
is 80%-20%, or 70%-30% or any other is up to you to decide.

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Re: [ilugd] Understanding the GNU GPL definition of free software. Is The classification of free and commercial Linux Distribution is incorrect.?

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Hi,

--- On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 2:54 PM, narendra sisodiya
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| If all components are under GPL, then you say say it
\--

There are lot of Free Software licenses, other than the GPL:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FSF_approved_software_licences

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Re: [ilugd] Openmoko, Symbian, Android

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Hi,

--- On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 1:42 AM, Frederick Noronha [फ़रेदरिक
नोरोनया] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| Would the C/C++ thingy be a negative mark for Openmoko?
\--

Python is available:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Python

Also check:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:BuiltInScriptingLanguage#Feature_matrix

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Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor

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Hi,

--- On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Sandip Bhattacharya
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| I actually find this kind of intra-community bickering in the Linux
| community very disturbing.
\--

It takes only two people to have a misunderstanding.

---
| What is the problem with all you folks ?
\--

Bickering exists everywhere. It is just that one doesn't get to hear
them from the closed, proprietary development teams out in the open :)

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Re: [ilugd] [OT]Openmoko availability in India

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Hi,

--- On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:36 PM, shantanu goel
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| Did you try out doing any development for it?
\--

Yeah. I suggest you explore the wiki:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/

---
| Do you think it is necessary\overtly beneficial to get the debug board
| as well?
\--

Depends on what you want to do. For kernel, u-boot debugging, yes.

---
| But I don't know whether IDA systems is giving that
\--

It was initially quoted for INR 5k. After some shipment experience in
India, they have now priced it at INR 9k.
http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td781527

---
| BTW, did u buy it from IDA or directly from US?
\--

IDA. Write to their sales for any queries.

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Re: [ilugd] [OT]Openmoko availability in India

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Hi,

--- On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Sharninder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| How can i order openmoko
\--

http://idasystems.net/freerunner

---
| Is anybody on list using the openmoko phone ?
\--

Yes. I have tried Openmoko 2008.8, Qtopia and Debian on it. I have
used the Qtopia edition as a regular phone. Battery life isn't great.
But, it will be fixed in the next release.

---
| How do
| we compare it with HTC i-touch ?
\--

Don't have one.

FreeRunner is a developer release. The next release, I believe, will
be consumer ready.

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Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

My thoughts below:

--- On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Parthan SR
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| We are indeed programmers and we have understood that programming is
| merely putting logic into action using a tool called programming
| language.
\--

IMO, most developers "comprehend" things faster when they get an
explanation in their native language, because, it helps them to learn
things in a language that is known to them, and which they are
comfortable with.

This also boosts their "confidence" levels and brings them to a
"comfort" zone with which they come forward to discuss things in a
group discussion, for example, and are more eager to contribute and
work along these lines, rather, than being put off on the wrong
assumption that they need to speak grammatically correct English to
put their words across.

But, code written in one language, need to be translated to an
intermediate form, that people from other languages can understand and
re-use, else, the spirit of FOSS is lost.

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Re: [ilugd] Open Source MIDI Editor/ Sequencer

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Friday 19 Sep 2008, Linux Lingam wrote:
| the last time i used LIVES it hopelessly broke my system, a knoppix
| upped to debian...
\--

I am using LiVES on Debian Lenny on x86.

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Re: [ilugd] Open Source MIDI Editor/ Sequencer

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 10:48 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| How to start with foss video editing:
\--

LiVES?
http://lives.sourceforge.net/

Tutorials:
http://www.reimeika.ca/lives/lives_guide.html
http://lives.sourceforge.net/content/tut_html/lives_mt_tut.html

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Re: [ilugd] FOSS Documentary

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| please send me the copy of the "OS Revolutions" .
\--

It is not a freely distributable movie. You are to buy an original
copy from revolution-os.com or contact:
http://www.revolution-os.com/contact.html

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Re: [ilugd] [OT] Unlearning programming languages

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 2:26 AM, Puneet Lakhina
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| Requesting your thoughts on effective ways
\--

Read:

Harold Abelson, Gerald Jay Sussman, and Julie Sussman. Structure and
Interpretation of Computer Programs. 2nd ed. University Press.

http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/

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Re: [ilugd] [x-post] iphone3G <> linux-phones on NDTV 24x7

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Linux Lingam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| are there any points of the you wish me to highlight from the land of foss?
\--

Follow the threads in these posts:

http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-June/018892.html

http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-June/018970.html

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Re: [ilugd] Compilation Errors: Missing Package??

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 8:00 AM, Anand Shankar
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|  conftest.c:11:19: error: stdio.h: No such file or directory
\--

You have to install the build-essential package?

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Re: [ilugd] Problem with mounting external disk on debian etch

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Hi,

--- On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Vikas Rawal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|  modprobe -l | grep sr_mod shows that sr_mod is there.
\--

Can you post your /bin/lsmod output? You also need:

   sd_mod
   scsi_mod
   usb-storage

If they are not loaded, modprobe them. Apart from them you need for USB:

   usbcore
   ehci_hcd (or ohci_hcd, or uhci_hcd, depending on controller)

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[ilugd] [Commercial] RoR, Cluster Administrator

[Shakthi Kannan]

Greetings!

For Qvantel Software Solutions Ltd, Hyderabad [1]:

1. Ruby on Rails Developer:

* Atleast two years experience on Ruby.
* Experience with the Rails framework.
* Relational database experience: MySQL.
* Knowledge of design patterns.
* Know-how of Agile methodologies/Scrum.
* Experience in Free/Libre/Open Source projects, and know-how on how
to work with the Free/Libre/Open Source community (IRC, forums,
mailing lists, wiki etc.).
* Attitude to learn, and solve problems.

2. Cluster Administrator:

* Atleast two years experience on *nix cluster administration.
* Relational database experience: MySQL.
* Strong in networking basics and concepts.
* Excellent troubleshooting skills.
* Know-how of scripting (python, perl).
* Working knowledge of sizing or scaling systems (horizontal and
vertical scaling).
* Experience in Free/Libre/Open Source projects, and know-how on how
to work with the Free/Libre/Open Source community (IRC, forums,
mailing lists, wiki etc.)
* Attitude to learn and solve problems.

Both are onsite opportunities. Ruby on Rails requirement is an
immediate onsite requirement.

Please send your resume in .txt or .pdf or .odt (OpenOffice) only, to
jobs at qvantel dot com.

Regards,

SK

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Re: [ilugd] Setting up your laptop/desktop as an access point

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Hi,

--- On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Vikas Rawal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|  Sorry for a dumb question.
\--

Don't worry about all this. Feel free to ask.

---
| How does one turn it off (that is, stop
|  using it as AP)? This sounds quite interesting.
\--

Just down the interface using "ifdown eth1".

Or, in most laptops there is an "RF kill" switch for the wireless that
can be controlled in software/hardware. You can use it to
enable/disable wireless.

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Re: [ilugd] Setting up your laptop/desktop as an access point

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Hi Sandip,

--- On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Sandip Bhattacharya
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|  For this, I would need a separate private network between the laptop and
|  the mobile, isn't it?
\--

Yes.

---
| Besides, outside my home, I do not have control
|  over the IP space used by the laptop to allocate one to the mobile.
\--

Sorry, what do you mean by "no control"? A private network is owned by
you, and you control it. Use any 10.0.0.0 or 192.168.0.0 network
address.

---
|  I am also not comfortable using static IP even for testing(I understand
|  that it eliminates an unknown during testing), as my mobile is
|  definitely easier to manage with DHCP.
\--

Install a DHCP server on your laptop, and run it to issue private IP
addresses to your mobile.

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Re: [ilugd] Setting up your laptop/desktop as an access point

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Hi,

--- On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Sandip Bhattacharya
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|  so one option is to setup the laptop as an access point that the mobile
|  can use.
\--

Yes.

---
| I haven't gone
|  beyond "iwconfig eth1 node master".
\--

Where did it fail?

---
| I need DHCP
\--

To start with, you can test with static IP addresses.

---
| and preferably WPA.
\--

I'd suggest that you first test without encryption, and then you can
play with WPA.

1. Enable wireless on laptop with master mode. Disable encryption.
2. Configure static IP address on the phone, and test ping between
phone and laptop (wireless).

To forward the requests between the wired and wireless connection, you
will need to enable ip_forward on the laptop:

  sudo echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward

and enable NAT operation. For example:

  sudo iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE

I'd suggest that you google (or use any other search engine) for
"Internet sharing with linux". For a start:
http://thio4linux.wordpress.com/2007/10/14/share-internet-connection-on-linux/

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[ilugd] [COMMERCIAL] GTK, C, Tools development

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Hi,

There are opportunities that exist for the following positions at
Qvantel. We are growing, and are looking for more people to join us to
work with FOSS!

1. Software Engineer - Tools (Code: JDC10 07-20)

Requirements:
* C, C++ programming experience.
* Anjuta/Eclipse IDE experience.
* Know-how of autotools (automake, automake, libtools), and Makefiles.
* Know-how of Debian package management system.
* Experience with cvs/svn.
* Prior experience with Scratchbox, Maemo.
* Knowledge of Qemu, gcc, toolchain internals.
* Experience in Free/Libre/Open Source projects, and know-how on how
to work with the Free/Libre/Open Source community (IRC, forums,
mailing lists, wiki etc.).
* Attitude to solve problems.

2. Software Engineer - Mobile Terminals Application Development (Code:
JDC10 07-21)

Requirements:
* C, GTK+, data structures programming experience.
* Know-how of UI design.
* Good debugging skills.
* Understanding of D-Bus, a plus.
* Prior experience in Maemo development environment, a plus.
* Experience in Free/Libre/Open Source projects, and know-how on how
to work with the Free/Libre/Open Source community (IRC, forums,
mailing lists, wiki etc.).
* Attitude to solve problems.

Common for both job requirements:

Location:
Hyderabad. Traveling opportunities exist.

Experience:
Years of experience doesn't matter as long as the individual has the
attitude, and passion to work with Free/Libre/Open Source software.

Position-type:
Full-time, regular employment.

To apply:
Send your resume in .txt or .pdf format to raunak dot mahajan at
qvantel dot com (CC to shakthi dot kannan at qvantel dot com), with
job title and job code in the e-mail subject line.

References:
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Re: [ilugd] free vs paid operating systems

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Hi,

--- On Feb 4, 2008 4:34 PM, Sriram J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| you can rely on it to be polluted.
| you can also rely on the air to give you the lungs of a 80 year old smoker
| in no time.
\--

It would depend on which part of the world you are in. And, its not
that you are going to stop breathing just because it is polluted.

Anyways, the context of "free" was used with emphasis on "freedom".

--- On Feb 4, 2008 4:41 PM, bibhudendu samal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| what is FOSS ?? and can you send some links
\--

Please use a search engine before you ask questions. For a start,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOSS

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Re: [ilugd] free vs paid operating systems

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Hi,

--- On Feb 4, 2008 3:53 PM, Samal B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| if things are free
| are they reliable ??
\--

The air you breathe is reliable? It is still free.

To answer your question, yes, FOSS is reliable.

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Re: [ilugd] uvcvideo kernel module errors

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Hi,

--- On Jan 20, 2008 5:06 PM, Anand Shankar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| uvcvideo: Unknown symbol v4l_compat_ioctl32
| uvcvideo: Unknown symbol v4l_compat_translate_ioctl
\--

You need v4l (Video For Linux) support enabled in the kernel. If set
as modular, then the modules need to be loaded?

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Re: [ilugd] Load balancing with multiple ISPs

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Hi,

--- On Jan 18, 2008 1:07 PM, Raj Mathur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| OTOH, if one interface goes down you can always
|
|   /etc/init.d/networking restart
\--

Or use fail-over to use the other connection line:
http://www.ssi.bg/~ja/nano.txt

My reference documentation:
http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/load-balancing/load-balancing-single-multipath.html

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Re: [ilugd] intel software radio for wimax, DVB-H, etc

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

My thoughts below:

- On Dec 13, 2007 11:15 PM, Smruti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| Sounds interesting. But when you get down to ground reality it is still not
| possible to make hardware gpl complaint.
\--

Why not?

-
| Hardware is tangible and it costs. We can make the architecture open source
| but the hardware itself can't be made for free.
 \--

Make the hardware design open, produce it, and sell it with a price ... (1)

You can also pay for Free Software.

-
| You can make the software that runs a calculator free but you cannot make a
| CRT monitor that can be give for free.
\--

Same as (1).

-
| And hardware cannot be shared and
| kept concurrently simply because you can't make copies of it for free.
\--

Design of hardware and selling are two different things? You can
design open hardware, produce it, and sell it at a price to customers,
and still provide them GPL code of the hardware.

Useful references:

http://www.opencores.org/

http://opencollector.org/

http://www.opensparc.net/

http://www.srisc.com/

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Re: [ilugd] glibc2.6.1 problem - Urgent!

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

- On 11/29/07, Yashpal Nagar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| I have Ubuntu Fiesty 7.04 Desktop x86, do i need to download "64bit AMD
| and Intel computers" server edition of Ubuntu? As server is intel 64 bit
| processor.
\--

Any LiveCD that can boot into the system.

-
| I believe i need to mount the root file system and copy the /bin/* and
| then /lib64/* from working host, is there anything else i need to take care?
\--

lib should be sufficient.

-
| I assume libc mean /lib/* and /lib64/*.
\--

I mentioned as libc, in general.

-
| What after that, should i go and re-install glibc-2.3.3 along with its
| dependent packages or it is not required ?
\--

When you are able to log into the system, just use it. libc is what
you have restored back by copying. Why do you want to re-install?

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Re: [ilugd] glibc2.6.1 problem - Urgent!

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Hi,

- On 11/29/07, Yashpal Nagar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| I tried scping from other host  but
| host2: # scp /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/lib64/
| Password:
| /bin/bash: No such file or directory
\--

1. Boot the system from a LiveCD.

2. Re-mount the hard-disk partitions in rw mode.

3. Copy the libc file through the network/USB.

4. Unmount the partitions.

5. Reboot into the hard-disk.

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Re: [ilugd] Debian vs Ubuntu user-friendliness

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Hi,

- On 11/14/07, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| Ubuntu is more point-and-click
\--

... and just having that is not user-friendliness.

-
| The point I am trying to make is that Debian tries to offer the
|  user choices;
\--

... which is actually what is meant by "user-friendliness".

-
| Ubuntu "simplifies" things by making many choices for
|  you. I hate that.
\--

True. That is why I still prefer, and use Debian.

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[ilugd] [Job] GTK+, C programmer

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

Requirements:
* C, GTK+ programming experience.
* Know-how of UI design.
* Good debugging skills.
* Understanding of D-Bus, a plus.
* Prior experience in GTK+ Free/Libre/Open Source projects.
* Know-how on how to work with the FLOSS community.
* Attitude.

If you are interested, please send me (shakthimaan at gmail dot com)
your resume in OpenOffice or .pdf or .txt format _only_.

In your resume, mention what *your* role and contribution in the
project was. Don't just mention and describe the project in which you
were part of.

No contractors. Position will initially be in Hyderabad, but,
opportunities exist for traveling.

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Re: [ilugd] Invitation for a talk at NSIT

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

- On 8/30/07, Deepank Gupta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| But I do not think that it will be a right idea to get students into
| legal details of open-source as although it makes up a great topic to
| hear to for a 3rd or a 4th year student, a 1st year may feel lost in
| the talk.
\--

Actually, you should. But, it should be addressed in a way that is
applicable to students.

1. They need to understand what licenses and copyright are. Why it is
copyright infringement if they copy their senior's final year thesis
or copy text from books without quoting any references, and submit it
as their final year project thesis. Also, the relevance to software
licenses, and use of GPL, and documentation licenses like FDL, CC etc.
in FOSS projects.

2. But, it should be made as a brief talk, just emphasizing what they
should know, so they understand the importance of it and its
implications.

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Re: [ilugd] List etiquette

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

On 8/27/07, Raj Mathur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A reminder about mailing list etiquette in general...

As a suggestion, can this be automated and sent once every month to
the mailing list?

Thanks,

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Re: [ilugd] ssh on a different virtual console

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Hi,

On 8/22/07, Vikas Rawal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would like to run an x-server on a separate virtual console
> (control+alt+f12),

If you already have X running and a desktop environment running on F7,
you can start a new one on F8 (from the console in F1, for example)
using:

  startx -- :1

So, for F12, it is

  startx -- :5

To run a different desktop environment/window manager, I believe you
need to change ~/.xinitrc (check with any online search engine for
more info).

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Re: [ilugd] Mandriva 2007 Spring Edition

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

My thoughts below:

On 8/17/07, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> curl was my
> friend. And flaky is still there - how do you explain to newbies that
> even though firefox has said that the download is complete - it isnt?

When working with newbies, I always insist on outputs of commands or
to 'cat' file contents. For example, output of lsmod, ifconfig,
iwconfig, route for network debugging.

The problem with GUI is that:
1. Its hard for us to see what they are doing.
2. Most GUIs that I have seen are made so transparent to the user,
that they are not useful for any kinda debugging. Its a GUI!
3. Newbies are very bad in explaining what they do [1] with the GUI.

On the other hand, one can always redirect file contents or command
outputs to a file, and ask the newbies to send it across, which they
are happy to do even though they may not understand the output. These
outputs are detailed and really helps us in debugging.

[1] Point Number 5, "During the Project".
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/wiki/ProjectGuidelines

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Re: [ilugd] Skype Found Guilty of GPL Violations

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

On 7/27/07, Shiv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Most of the modems that MTNL gives out (I have one such model) is a Dlink 
> DSL-502T which is an ADSL router with 1 ethernet and 1 USB port.
> I have been able to telnet into the router and have been presented with a 
> Busybox shell prompt!

Good. Do you have it documented somewhere online. It will be helpful
for others to try the HOWTO, and share their experiences.

> Rather than MTNL issue a "Source available" message, shouldnt it be D-Link 
> which does it?

If the end-user buys everything from MTNL, they should provide
everything to the end-user. The end-user doesn't care with whom MTNL
has alliances with, or who actually provides it.

> On the other hand, It might cause a knee-jerk reaction from them and they 
> might pull out > all the Dlink routers and hand out some other brand with 
> VxWorks or something similar!!

No need to go all panicky. Just make a request to them that they are
required to provide the source code. Or check here, and contact the
folks to see if they can help in the process:

http://gpl-violations.org/faq/violation-faq.html

I think FSF-India can take this forward with the help of
gpl-violations.org (if needed).

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Re: [ilugd] Skype Found Guilty of GPL Violations

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

This e-mail has been CCed to Nagarjuna (FSF-India).

On 7/27/07, PJ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Interesting.
>
> Come to think of it, this is the same way the MTNL adsl modems are in 
> violation
> of the GPL. At least, I haven't seen any notice that says GPL source
> available for them on the MTNL website.
>
> The MTNL modem in the office for example runs a 2.6.8 linux kernel on a 
> hardware
> spec of 235.52 bogomips/6MB ram. It'd be fun to hack away at it.

Which modem model number?

Yes, indeed. Everyone can afford it. Will be useful to do development
with it, if we can flash it, or atleast download the kernel image onto
RAM and run it from there. Can use it as a platform to learn embedded.

Time for some action, and info on a wiki?

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Re: [ilugd] embedded kits

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

On 7/25/07, Sharad Birmiwal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Let me read up a little on this and I will get back to you (off the list).

I have fixed some minor bugs for SimpleOS with gcc 4.1.2. All 12 code
examples (released under GPL) work from grub on Debian Etch. You can
download them from:

http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/sos/simpleos-25jul2007.tar.gz

The original articles (in French) are available here:
http://sos.enix.org/fr/PagePrincipale

If anyone knows French, and can do the translation for English, it
will be helpful.

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Re: [ilugd] embedded kits

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Hi,

On 7/25/07, Sharad Birmiwal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I probably didn't mention this but I was looking for a cheap board. I wasn't
> going to go out of the way to pay much for a board.

Ok.

> I wanted to
> write dedicated applications, program the flash, and execute.

If this is what you really want to do then, you do need to get
flash-based development boards. And to get a reasonable good kit, you
need to invest on it. It is not your choice or my choice, but, that is
the way it is in India, currently.

> Any how, if you
> are suggesting using pentiums (which, as far as I understand, you are), what
> can I do with them (insert suggestings here)?

Try to build your own:
* PCI subsystem, and its drivers.
* IDE drivers, and filesystems on IDE/ATA.
* SCSI subsystem.
* USB stack on PCI subsystem.
* Networking stack, and drivers.

These are subsystems, and can be written as firmware. Try to build
demo examples/scenarios with the above. You can learn a lot about
firmware/device driver programming on x86 by implementing these.

> I don't want to boot linux on
> it. And I also don't want to boot any other OS

Ok. Accepted.

You might also want to look at the LinuxBIOS project:
http://linuxbios.org/Welcome_to_LinuxBIOS

> Not sure if this is the right path to take, as I said, I want to be a
> beginner, and I appreciate all advice.

I am happy that you are asking questions.

> Hands on experience?

It depends on what you intend to do with the kit. What is meant by
"hands-on" is getting to understand the hardware, and get real
programming experience on the hardware.

As a student interested into embedded, if you were given a boot-up
code, and were asked to write a minimal PCI sub-system, you will go
ahead and read the PCI specification, understand its existing
implementation, and try to write/strip down existing GPLed version and
test it. And when you complete the task, you would have known
in-and-out of how PCI works. This ability to seek, learn and acquire
knowledge is called education.

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Re: [ilugd] embedded kits

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Hi,

On 7/25/07, Sharad Birmiwal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As a matter of fact, I have a P1 - 133MHZ (16MB RAM). I was thinking of
> doing that but I can't carry it around to show off my latest projects :).
> Isn't small beautiful?

Not sure on the availability of mini-ITX boards in India.

> I don't want to use an OS right now.

You can run firmware code from grub. See Simple OS written by David
Decotigny, and Thomas Pettazoni:
http://sos.enix.org/fr/PagePrincipale

It is sometimes very hard for me to digest the fact that many people
in India go out of the way and pay huge amounts for development boards
which are either quite expensive or not available in India, and you
have to import them (as compared to their low price and availability
in US and EU). There is so much you can learn from economical x86
boards in India, and use the best of it.

> with AT89S52 and some TI DSP kit. I want to work more with kits right now,
> implement some ideas I have in mind right now.

Such as? As far as I can understand, you have never mentioned what you
want to do, but, you would like to work only on embedded kits.

> Wouldn't I also have to worry
> about some driver issues like finding data sheets for onboard devices I will
> use? I am hoping the kit will be accompanied with such details..

So, what do you use the kit for if everything is given to you in the
first place?

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Re: [ilugd] embedded kits

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

On 7/25/07, Sharad Birmiwal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am looking for some embedded kit for hobby projects -- no special
> requirements (high ram, x86/PPC?),

So, why not use an Intel PII or PIII machine?

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Re: [ilugd] gumstix that run linux

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

On 7/16/07, vivek khurana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.littlechips.com/ is another good
> vendor.

Some more:

http://free-electrons.com/community/hardware/boards/

http://shakthimaan.com/links/embedded.html

http://armlinux.simtec.co.uk/kautobuild/2.6.15-rc2/index.html

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Re: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

On 6/26/07, Roshan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> However, there are
> authorities, that are there to watch-over the 5-star
> hotels?

But, are they doing their job? You will never know.

I never knew until I went for a friends' reception at Taj, in Chennai,
and saw a 'waiter' licking the ice-cream on the plate, while taking it
to the elevator. Nobody knows which poor lad in the hotel room had to
eat it for dessert.

> If those authorities are not honest, one
> doesn't get what he pays for.

The point is that with proprietary models, you have to simply accept
the agreements, and not ask questions. So, you blindly accept whatever
the vendor says, whether they say new version/improved technology/tech
jargons, and what not.

Dumb end users think it is so appealing. Business people think it is
great marketing (for sales of course). Only the developers know what
are the problems/bugs that continue to exist in the proprietary
products. IMO, that is cruelty to end users.

I'll stop here.

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Re: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

On 6/26/07, Surjo Das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> All PC's that are coming
> out from factories have Vista on them or with a Vista ready sticker.

When was the last-time you visited a kitchen in a 5-star hotel in
India? My advice is please don't. You will never again eat in 5-star
hotels. The ambience/cleanliness you see in the restaurant, is not the
same in the kitchen.

When I visited Delhi for a day, I had Roti from a Dhaba-wala eatery
(or how do you call them?) on the road-side. It was fresh, very tasty
too. You can see him prepare the food. He didn't have a
trademark/company. But, the food was extremely good.

On the same day, I also went to Sheraton (?) restaurant in Delhi
domestic airport. The food was crap/awful/terrible, and was for INR
400. Not worth it.

In a proprietary world, what you get is _not_ what you really paid for.

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Re: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

On 6/26/07, Surjo Das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you happen to visit any middle class home who have a PC for
> their entertainment purpose, invariably you will find it loaded with Windows
> in at least 95% of the cases.

Original, authentic, licensed?

If they really knew the amount they had to pay for the original, and
if "laws" were enforced, you might want to re-think on the percentage.

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Re: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux

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Hi,

On 6/25/07, Lokesh Bhog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> During Windows Vista's first six months on the market, Microsoft released 
> four security
> updates to address 12 total vulnerabilities

... out of how many undisclosed vulnerabilities?

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Re: [ilugd] Freed 2007 - Thoughts on the name?

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Hi,

Not sure if this is going off-topic. Anyways, my thoughts below:

On 5/5/07, PJ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Me and some others regard the extra freedom of the BSD style licences as being
> analogous to the granting freedom to a plantation holder to own slaves,

Isn't that cruel?

> The GPL, for those who are wondering about this analogy, and in particular
> how it applies to software, has a restriction that is designed to prevent
> non-sharing of code.

How? GPL has four freedoms:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html

> In contrast, the BSD allows a company
> to take the code, alter it and sell it as its own without accrediting the
> original developer, and without sharing the modified code.

... for their selfish, greedy needs without any consideration or
respect for the users.

> Well, in software,
> there are several known examples where Microsoft has taken BSD code, altered
> it, and tried to lock users in to their way of doing things so that they can
> exploit them forever after. To an extent they have succeeded more than failed.

This is the reason why GPL is important.

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Re: [ilugd] mounting problems

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Hi,

On 4/25/07, hemant ritturaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I want as i plug the device it should be automounted on the system

>From documentation I have seen for USB and Fedora Core 4, automount
works with autofs.

http://blog.rootshell.be/projects/nx7010/#4

> Recent distros should automount USB devices for you with udev. After

>  /bin/dmesg | tail
>  sda: sda1

Looks ok. But, I highly recommend that you upgrade.

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Re: [ilugd] mounting problems

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Hi,

On 4/25/07, hemant ritturaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am wokring with fedora core 4

Any recent for not upgrading to FC6?

> when it is plugged in to usb it doesnot automount but it shows the mount
> point in fstab

What entry? AFAIK, /etc/fstab is a text file that is not updated by
hotplug events.

> but when i try to mount it through user it gives a mount
> error
> mount: can only be mount bt superuser

Can you mount it as a root user?

> I tried all the possible ways like putting it /etc/fstab

Such as?

> How can i automount any USB ???

Recent distros should automount USB devices for you with udev. After
you plug-in the device, post output of:

 /bin/dmesg | tail

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Re: [ilugd] Root File System in initrd

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Hi,

On 4/25/07, subhash sukumaran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am trying to change the root file system from flash to initrd.

How?

> i am using
> cramfs.

This is a read-only filesystem.

Mount the cramfs image on a local system to get the individual
files/directories, say in /home/foo/image. Copy the image/ directory
to a new directory, say, /home/foo/ramdimage.

Let us say we want to create a 3 MB ext2 ramdisk image. Use the following:

  dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ram4 bs=1k count=3072
  mke2fs -vm0 /dev/ram4 3072
  mount -t ext2 /dev/ram4 /home/foo/ramdimage

Modify the contents of /home/foo/ramdimage for your requirements.
Create a new ramdisk image:

  dd if=/dev/ram4 of=ramdisk.img bs=1k count=3072

Compress the ramdisk image using gzip, and use it.

References:
http://www.glomationinc.com/doc/HowToEditRAMDisk.PDF

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Re: [ilugd] GFDL licence

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Hi,

On 4/18/07, Gaurav Mishra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> GFDL  says you have to give proper respect to other`s work by
> mentioning them,

Yes.

> SInce it was first published on there site can`t they
> say they hold the  copyright

You wrote the article for them, so it is your copyright work. They
just published it in their website under GNU FDL.

> But copyright is taken through licence , right ?

They are two different things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/License

> Man i am feeling like a  noob , :)

Everyone is a noob at some time in their life :)

The important thing is not to hesitate to ask questions.

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Re: [ilugd] GFDL licence

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

On 4/18/07, Gaurav Mishra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So who is the real owner of the content  site or the original creator

You are the owner. The document is released under GNU FDL.

> ,mind i haven`t put any GFDL licence notice or something like that ?

The site has.

> Now what if i want to put into my website , do i have to give the link
> of the website and that it is under GFDL licence owned by the site
> (wtf).

You can just say it is under GNU FDL.

> What if i want t claim back my original work under my name , any
> procedures for that ?

Don't get confused between copyright and license. It is your work, you
hold the copyright. License talks about distribution of the material.

You can still put it in your website, and say it is under GNU FDL.

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Re: [ilugd] [OT] Training institute near Vasant Kunj

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

I am replying to the list, because it can be useful for others
teaching their nephews and nieces.

On 4/14/07, Raj Mathur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> during his summer holidays.  Since there's no one doing Python or
> Perl in the Vasant Kunj/Vasant Vihar area

Why do you need an Institute? Why not ILUGD?

For Perl, I'd recommend,

Beginning Perl by Simon Cozens
http://www.perl.org/books/beginning-perl/

Does he have access to a computer and Internet? He can subscribe to
ilugd mailing list?

I will be extremely happy to guide him, and answer his queries. I am
sure others in this mailing list will also be eager to help him.

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Re: [ilugd] freedel and the community

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

On 4/3/07, Gora Mohanty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you know of any LUGs/FOSS organisations,
> please contribute on the Wiki when it is set up.

Frederick compiled a good list:
http://wikiwikiweb.de/LugsList

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Re: [ilugd] freedel and the community

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

My thoughts below:

On 4/3/07, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Invite a couple of guys from each major city and some
> representatives of the fsug's and the independents.

You could simply send an e-mail to the different mailing lists.

> The committee
> would of course not have decision making power, but all major
> decisions could be run by them for feed back.

What? This statement is very contradicting.

> Since most lugs do not have
> a structure or a defined leader

Yes.

> you cannot get formal support from
> any lug as such

When was FOSS formal? Sending an e-mail and asking for volunteers
should be good enough.

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Re: [ilugd] problem in fetchmail + postfix with multidrop

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

On 3/28/07, rajnish kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> when i am configured fetchmail

Which version? Which distro?

> in fetchmailrc with   *
> option it's working fine but it gives error in multidrop ( catchall).

This bug was fixed in fetchmail-6.3.5.

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Re: [ilugd] [OT] Contact of Khanna Publishers

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi Sankarshan,

On 3/27/07, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A gross example might be:
>
> a + b = c + d being morphed to x + y = q + r

I'll work on that. Appreciate your valuable feedback.

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Re: [ilugd] [OT] Contact of Khanna Publishers

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

On 3/27/07, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Problems" would be reworded

Reworded?

> forms of "examples" if I understand your
> explanation earlier correctly

Yes.

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Re: [ilugd] [OT] Contact of Khanna Publishers

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

On 3/27/07, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So how does the uniqueness get resolved during exam question papers ?

In exams, they "test" your theory, and ask you to "solve" problems
based on the theory. In an ideal society, academia should give freedom
to faculty and students, and be able to share knowledge.

The examples that I want to release is under GPL for everyone to use.
Copyright and license are two different things.

You can still modify Free Software, within your company, and use it
internally. It is only when you distribute it to clients or to the
public, that you should release the source code along with binaries.

Regarding the OP:
I contacted the publisher again, and according to their terms, only
the authors own the right to re-use portions of the textbook, not the
publisher. Only one author is alive. Should try and find the other
author.

Regards,

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Re: [ilugd] [OT] Contact of Khanna Publishers

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi Sankarshan,

On 3/27/07, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So this means that Book ABC will use an unique diagram for Theory 1 and
> book DEF will use another for the same Theory 1 ?

No. Same diagram. Pythagorean theorem is the same in all mathematical
books. But, examples or problem sets that use the pythagorean theorem
is what I am interested in, which is copyright of the author.

> I get that bit perfectly. What is worrisome is what are the consequences
> if you decide to ignore the "All Rights Reserved" bit and just do it ?

As people from the FOSS community we respect copyright, and appreciate
the freedom given by the GPL.

> How does this affect (re)doing examples that compile cleanly in TurboC
> for FOSS bits ?

You are addressing software. I am addressing hardware. That's the difference.

Most of the "programming" projects are problem sets. So, you can
implement the solution in any given language. If it is a totally
different compiler, then yes, syntax would be different and it is mere
porting. Dan Kegel made GNU/Linux patches for Richard Stevens' UNIX
network programming:
http://kegel.com/unpv1/

Software is mathematics. Hardware deals with physical elements of matter. [1]

Regards,

SK

[1] Richard Stallmans' Danger of Software Patents.
http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/rms.danger.of.software.patents.pdf
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Re: [ilugd] [OT] Contact of Khanna Publishers

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

On 3/27/07, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Are they unique ? ie for Theory 1 is the Circuit Diagram 1 the one and
> only one way to implement it ?

Yes. The circuit diagrams for explaining theoretical concepts are
unique, whichever book you take.

I don't want to replicate theory. Students can read from that. Just
the circuit diagram examples, and exercises.

> /me shall look at this later (although that does not mean that /me would
> comprehend) :D

No problem.

> If a reimplementation of
> the theory to make them compliant with FOSS tools require author
> permissions

Actually the book says "All Rights Reserved". It goes on to say that
any part of the book cannot be copied or "reimplemented", except for
reviews, without the consent of the authors and the publishers.

> how does that also apply to questions based on the same
> theories/circuit diagrams during examinations wherein only small bits
> are obfuscated ?
> So here's the "what if" bit ? What if you do ?

I see it from this angle:

1. The book is "prescribed" for "engineering students". By providing
Free Software to students with examples from the books, it only helps
in more students using the book.

2. It makes it "engineering" where-in students can experiment with
circuits with Free Software.
http://qucs.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html

Or, simply put the fun back into engineering.

Regards,

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Re: [ilugd] [OT] Contact of Khanna Publishers

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

On 3/27/07, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Umm... do you want to re-implement the examples in the book

As on date the examples haven't been implemented in any tool, and are
being used only on paper. They are electrical circuit
diagrams/examples.

> so that they
> can compile cleanly using FOSS tools ?

Yes, qucs (Quite Universal Circuit Simulator).
http://qucs.sf.net

> A question thus remains to be
> asked is - what if you do re-implement the examples to make them FOSS
> compliant and put them up for others to see and use ?

Yes. My choice is representation of circuits in .sch format that qucs
uses. The code examples to be released under GPL, of course.

> Examples being
> based on algorithms

No algorithms, just circuit diagrams.

Appreciate your thoughts.

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Re: [ilugd] [OT] Contact of Khanna Publishers

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

On 3/27/07, Abhay Kedia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A quick search for Khana Publishers on Delhi Telephone Directory
> (http://phonebook.bol.net.in/) reveals this

I didn't know about this site until now. Very useful.

> Works for you?

Thanks! I was able to call their office. The owner is one, Mr. Vinith
Khanna, and I was told to speak to him about it. He was not there in
the office when I called them.

On 3/27/07, Sandip Bhattacharya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Are you sure that the book in question is published solely by Khanna
> publishers?

Yes. The book was written by two Indian professors from the then
Regional Engineering College, Tiruchirappalli (now NIT, Tiruchy).

Thanks for  your help,

SK

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[ilugd] [OT] Contact of Khanna Publishers

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

I have an engineering book published in 1998 (tenth reprint) by:

Romesh Chander Khanna
for Khanna Publishers
2-B, Nath Market, Nai Sarak,
Delhi - 110006

I need to re-use the examples given in the book with Free Software
tools. The books' copyright doesn't allow me to do that without prior
permission from the publisher.

Can anyone from Delhi provide me with the new address, telephone
number of the above person/publisher so I can contact him? If you can
get me the e-mail address that would be great!

Appreciate any help,

Thank you,

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Re: [ilugd] Motorola Ming (A1200)

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

On 3/16/07, Anupam Jain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I remember that I did try switching the phone from modem to USB and it
> still did not work.

After you plugin your phone, open a terminal and post output of:

  /sbin/lsmod
  /sbin/lsusb
  /bin/dmesg

You can redirect outputs to a file:

  /sbin/lsmod > lsmod.txt

In dmesg output you should see the USB log messages.

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Re: [ilugd] Custom kernel compilation on Fedora Core 6

[Shakthi Kannan]

HI,

On 3/14/07, Karanbir Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mahesh, while this most likely works in some places, I'd recommend you
> stick with the packaging and system management options that your distro
> was built for.

It depends on what the user wants the kernel for. If the user wants to
do device driver/kernel development, the developers insist to use
stock kernels from kernel.org, not the distro kernels. The distro
kernels are heavily patched by the distro kernel maintainers.

Patches/enhancements to the kernel are done against stock kernels, and
may not apply cleanly to distro kernels.

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Re: [ilugd] Any traffic shaper tool

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

On 2/12/07, rajnish kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am searching a traffic shaper tool in OpenSouce.

Please use any search engine for answers before posting a question.
Some useful links returned by google:

http://lartc.org/

http://www.knowplace.org/pages/howtos/traffic_shaping_with_linux.php

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