Re: [ilugd] 21 monitor in portrait mode?
[snip] To sum up, I'm unlikely to change my working style just because hardware demands it. /me pets his old 17 4:3. spoken like a true living FOSSil: unreasonable to the multi-core as usual. you can of course, trust apple to have come up with solutions for such unreasonable people, decades ago. Circa 1990, an apple offshoot company called Radius, launched a highly popular monitor, called the Radius PivotDisplay. A traditional 17 monitor connected via a video-card to your mac. slap it on its side, and it would swing from landscape to portrait mode, live, for a few seconds, the screen would blank out as the video-wizardry got to work. bingo! your screen would be re-drawn, for a portrait mode. perfect for people who suddenly needed wider or taller pixel-estate bang in the middle of an ongoing project with no time even for a restart. so if you could get a pivotdisplay equivalent today, you could slap it into portrait-mode, complete with a much coarser resolution to have those 80-col [dos-like?] lines in a large size, and then slap it again for a generous landscape mode at ultra-high resolution for all your popcorn needs, without the pc. ;-) if jim-carey with an alpha-mask designed hardware, he'd probably have the pivot-display made of chewing-gum so you could later stretch the portrait mode to accommodate all lines of your code without having to use that thoroughly inconvenient scroll-bar ever again. suggested new tag-line: it is the mind that moves the pivot-display to swing and the mask to stretch it. regards niyam Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathurr...@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd -- niyam bhushan ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] 21 monitor in portrait mode?
On 04/16/2010 09:16 PM, Linux Lingam wrote: so if you could get a pivotdisplay equivalent today, you could dont all 22 inch Dell displays do this today ? all the 1920x1200 capable ones definitely do ( I've seen the 2407 sidemounted, as well as 2709 ones ). There are a bunch of samsung displays around as well which will rotate from landscape to portrait mode without any issues. - KB ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] 21 monitor in portrait mode?
On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 1:40 AM, Linux Lingam linuxlin...@gmail.com wrote: dear raj, oh! this gets better. apparantly, this proprietary-ware does pivoting in software. http://www.portrait.com/enu/pivot/overview.html so, taking the vision and philosophy of foss forward: once it's done by proprietaryware, it can easily be replicated in foss Rotating the display is easily done in KDE Why do you need a special s/w or script? Best A. Mani -- A. Mani ASL, CLC, AMS, CMS http://www.logicamani.co.cc ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] 21 monitor in portrait mode?
A. Mani said on Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 03:33:26AM +0500,: (snip) so, taking the vision and philosophy of foss forward: once it's done by proprietaryware, it can easily be replicated in foss Rotating the display is easily done in KDE Why do you need a special s/w or script? I suspect that my English comprehension skills are on the wane; I distinctly remember and the original post confirms that the FOSSil who started this thread wanted information about a stand that accomodate an LCD display in portrait mode. But fist part of this thread concenterated on changing the FOSSil's style fo working, and now these post are about s/w which do tiat. What about the original question:- quote Anyone know of a decent stand that will allow me to rotate a monitor 90 degrees? Any recommendations on high-res (1600x1200 or greater) 21 monitors? quote I should admit that the question had me confounded; I was thinking this could be done easily in s/w, X, ever since Xorg became standard in all distros, is capable of doing the rotation at the click of mouse. So, either the Old Monk does not know (or has not learnt the new mantras aka Xorg conf; something understandable); or the list has not understood his question (more likely, IMHO). -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com End Users are just friends who haven't submitted a patch yet. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] 21 monitor in portrait mode?
On Saturday 17 Apr 2010, Mahesh T. Pai wrote: A. Mani said on Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 03:33:26AM +0500,: What about the original question:- quote Anyone know of a decent stand that will allow me to rotate a monitor 90 degrees? Any recommendations on high-res (1600x1200 or greater) 21 monitors? quote I should admit that the question had me confounded; I was thinking this could be done easily in s/w, X, ever since Xorg became standard in all distros, is capable of doing the rotation at the click of mouse. So, either the Old Monk does not know (or has not learnt the new mantras aka Xorg conf; something understandable); or the list has not understood his question (more likely, IMHO). xrandr will easily rotate my display, but the monitor has to (a) have a stand that rotates too and (b) support what I would call a reasonable resolution (at least 1200 on the shorter axis). I don't see either of these happening in the near future and hence have given up the search for the time being. Let's face it, even 1280x1024 is better than reading/writing mails on a 360x240 Crackberry! Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathurr...@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] 21 monitor in portrait mode?
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: In addition, the 80-character limit on code is a reasonable limit, both for the reason pointed out above and because length of lines of code varies a lot, with typical ones being short. For instance, on analysing ~30,000 lines of code I'd written (not including 0-length lines and comments) I find the following: Maximum length: 129 Minimum length: 1 Median length: 18 Mean length: 23 Std deviation: 21.5 (well, you can expect that to be high) So looks like even if I don't wrap at 80, the median and mean line lengths are likely to be between 20 and 30. Can I please have that 4:3 monitor now? :) Personally, I use a vertical split emacs window with Inconsolata 12pt font on a 22 1680x1050 screen. This gives me *two* 80 col wide windows side-by-side. Works like a charm for multi-file coding (is there any other kind left?) and diff etc. Not to mention the Inconcolata beauty! :-) A similar setup should work for a 21 monitor with appropriate font point size. ~Vipul -- Vipul Mathur FOAF: http://vipulmathur.org/foaf.rdf#VM ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] 21 monitor in portrait mode?
On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:38:01 +0530 Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: [...] For instance, on analysing ~30,000 lines of code I'd written (not including 0-length lines and comments) I find the following: Maximum length: 129 Minimum length: 1 Median length:18 Mean length: 23 Std deviation:21.5 (well, you can expect that to be high) So looks like even if I don't wrap at 80, the median and mean line lengths are likely to be between 20 and 30. Can I please have that 4:3 monitor now? :) [...] Wait, we need more information, such as a complete frequency distribution. I am curious as to how many one-character lines there are, and what are these: a single semi-colon, a single brace, or what? And, what does the 129-character line contain? Regards, Gora P.S. Personally, I code in Perl 6, and all my lines are exactly 7 characters long: DWIM(); ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] 21 monitor in portrait mode?
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: Amazing! That was exactly the example I was about to give to Mithun before I decided that there was not enough value in my views to post :) snip So looks like even if I don't wrap at 80, the median and mean line lengths are likely to be between 20 and 30. Can I please have that 4:3 monitor now? :) Does your IDE take over the whole screen? Which window managers can help with your problem in wide screen monitors? If you have a big enough (wide or square) monitor from say benq ... you will be fine. Best A. Mani -- A. Mani ASL, CLC, AMS, CMS http://www.logicamani.co.cc ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] 21 monitor in portrait mode?
Hi, Was planning to upgrade my 17 LCD to a 21, problem is it's impossible to find 4:3 aspect monitors anymore (at least for a reasonable price). So the other option is to buy a widescreen (16:9) 21 and use it in 90- degree rotated portrait mode... more lines of code/search results on one page. Anyone know of a decent stand that will allow me to rotate a monitor 90 degrees? Any recommendations on high-res (1600x1200 or greater) 21 monitors? As a last resort 1920x1080 is fine too, I guess, though that leaves the horizontal resolution a bit low. As an aside, monitors designed only to view HD movies suck big-time. Don't coders and techies use monitors anymore? Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathurr...@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] 21 monitor in portrait mode?
On 04/13/2010 11:47 AM, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: snip Anyone know of a decent stand that will allow me to rotate a monitor 90 degrees? Any recommendations on high-res (1600x1200 or greater) 21 monitors? As a last resort 1920x1080 is fine too, I guess, though that leaves the horizontal resolution a bit low. I had also searched a lot, but only the cheapo monitors are available in Nehru Place and no 1600x1200 is available. They refer to it as square monitors and say that they've stopped coming long time back as all prefer wide screen ones. I say, did they ever get a choice? As a last resort I went to Dell site. They gave me a quote of Rs. 21000 for a 21 1600x1200 monitor. Not sure if they still sell it. As an aside, monitors designed only to view HD movies suck big-time. Don't coders and techies use monitors anymore? Totally agree on this. I didn't know making a higher vertical resolution was more expensive (and cumbersome?) than higher horizontal resolution. I have stuck to my 17 1280x1024 screen - atleast it's bigger than 1440x900 and marginally smaller than 1920x1080. Thanks Vivek Kapoor http://exain.com ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
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On Tuesday 13 Apr 2010, Vivek Kapoor wrote: On 04/13/2010 11:47 AM, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: I had also searched a lot, but only the cheapo monitors are available in Nehru Place and no 1600x1200 is available. They refer to it as square monitors and say that they've stopped coming long time back as all prefer wide screen ones. I say, did they ever get a choice? As a last resort I went to Dell site. They gave me a quote of Rs. 21000 for a 21 1600x1200 monitor. Not sure if they still sell it. Ewww! For that sort of money I'd have to put my whole kingdom followed by my wife at stake! As an aside, monitors designed only to view HD movies suck big-time. Don't coders and techies use monitors anymore? Totally agree on this. I didn't know making a higher vertical resolution was more expensive (and cumbersome?) than higher horizontal resolution. I have stuck to my 17 1280x1024 screen - atleast it's bigger than 1440x900 and marginally smaller than 1920x1080. With the current state of affairs, I'm also re-looking at my monitor requirement. You're right, the 17 at 1280x1024 is doing fine for the moment, sticking to that unless something really exceptional comes out. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathurr...@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] 21 monitor in portrait mode?
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Tuesday 13 Apr 2010, Vivek Kapoor wrote: [...] As a last resort I went to Dell site. They gave me a quote of Rs. 21000 for a 21 1600x1200 monitor. Not sure if they still sell it. My guess is that it must be the IPS monitors. They are usually much more costlier than the TN panel ones. So unless you are doing stuff like graphic designing, it doesn't make sense to shell out so much. Also, last I knew its hard to get Dell monitors due to some issues they have. They apparently don't sell it directly. You might want to try HP and Viewsonic for portrait modes (call them up directly). I cant recommend any directly as the monitor stands that I have seen so far are usually dismal. As an aside, monitors designed only to view HD movies suck big-time. Don't coders and techies use monitors anymore? Totally agree on this. I didn't know making a higher vertical resolution was more expensive (and cumbersome?) than higher horizontal resolution. I have stuck to my 17 1280x1024 screen - atleast it's bigger than 1440x900 and marginally smaller than 1920x1080. That's pretty much personal preference I guess. I prefer more windows tiled horizontally. So widescreen works for me during coding. Kind Regards n9986 ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
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Portrait is available in Dell 2408WFP. -Angad On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Nandeep Mali n9986.m...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Tuesday 13 Apr 2010, Vivek Kapoor wrote: [...] As a last resort I went to Dell site. They gave me a quote of Rs. 21000 for a 21 1600x1200 monitor. Not sure if they still sell it. My guess is that it must be the IPS monitors. They are usually much more costlier than the TN panel ones. So unless you are doing stuff like graphic designing, it doesn't make sense to shell out so much. Also, last I knew its hard to get Dell monitors due to some issues they have. They apparently don't sell it directly. You might want to try HP and Viewsonic for portrait modes (call them up directly). I cant recommend any directly as the monitor stands that I have seen so far are usually dismal. As an aside, monitors designed only to view HD movies suck big-time. Don't coders and techies use monitors anymore? Totally agree on this. I didn't know making a higher vertical resolution was more expensive (and cumbersome?) than higher horizontal resolution. I have stuck to my 17 1280x1024 screen - atleast it's bigger than 1440x900 and marginally smaller than 1920x1080. That's pretty much personal preference I guess. I prefer more windows tiled horizontally. So widescreen works for me during coding. Kind Regards n9986 ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] 21 monitor in portrait mode?
On Tuesday 13 Apr 2010, Angad Singh wrote: Portrait is available in Dell 2408WFP. At Rs 35,000? Phew, the specs look good but a gold-plated monitor is slightly out of my budget at the moment! -- Raju -- Raj Mathurr...@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
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As an aside, monitors designed only to view HD movies suck big-time. Don't coders and techies use monitors anymore? With wide-screen monitors, I end up wasting a lot of screen space even when I am only word processing on something like openoffice. In a 4:3 monitor, one could see a lot more of the page. Even for those who use computers for common office applications, the 4:3 dimensions work so much better. Vikas ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
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Imagine editing a word document in 1080X1920.. portrait mode :) -Angad On Apr 13, 2010, at 3:29 PM, Vikas Rawal vikasli...@agrarianresearch.org wrote: As an aside, monitors designed only to view HD movies suck big-time. Don't coders and techies use monitors anymore? With wide-screen monitors, I end up wasting a lot of screen space even when I am only word processing on something like openoffice. In a 4:3 monitor, one could see a lot more of the page. Even for those who use computers for common office applications, the 4:3 dimensions work so much better. Vikas ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
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Imagine editing a word document in 1080X1920.. portrait mode :) Won't it be great? We can see a whole page!! Vikas ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Raj Mathur writes: [...] Paraphrasing G B Shaw a bit, The reasonable man adapts himself to his environment, while the unreasonable one insists on adapting his environment to his needs. Hence all progress depends on the unreasonable man. [off-topic] Thanks to unreasonable men, we got multicore CPUs, and thanks to reasonable men, we got optimization manuals. [/off-topic] - -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin, Memoirs of the life and writings of Benjamin Franklin -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkvEo2QACgkQHy+EEHYuXnTQCACg6DeqOMHFQpXnSXNI2CxQbJ7A UzYAoJ6IHhJnzZOQ4sJF/YEvSKvZ1nME =Uy/I -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
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On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Ashish SHUKLA wahjava...@gmail.com wrote: [...] [off-topic] Thanks to unreasonable men, we got multicore CPUs, and thanks to reasonable men, we got optimization manuals. [/off-topic] That is possibly one of the best dual supportive statement I have heard. :D Kudos! --- n9986 ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] 21 monitor in portrait mode?
From: Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org difference to me, at least. For instance, when coding I make lines 80 characters anyway (split longer ones across multiple lines), so taller But the less than 80 character wide limitation isn't a limitation set by our body it was a limitation set by the older displays. People in most places tend to read horizontally rather than vertically therefore I don't see why hardware shouldn't accommodate that and allow me to read horizontally more than vertically. Personally I also like to take printout of reports in landscape mode .. - Mithun ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] 21 monitor in portrait mode?
But the less than 80 character wide limitation isn't a limitation set by our body it was a limitation set by the older displays. Reading wide displays is surely more difficult that reading shorter width displays. This, as far as I know, is a well accepted fact in publishing industry. Imagine, for example, that the layout of your morning newspaper was not divided into columns and you had each story printed in the entire width of the newspaper. It would be impossible to read it. Even when the size of paper allows it, the text has to be divided into columns of shorter width. Vikas ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] 21 monitor in portrait mode?
On Wednesday 14 Apr 2010, Vikas Rawal wrote: But the less than 80 character wide limitation isn't a limitation set by our body it was a limitation set by the older displays. Reading wide displays is surely more difficult that reading shorter width displays. This, as far as I know, is a well accepted fact in publishing industry. Imagine, for example, that the layout of your morning newspaper was not divided into columns and you had each story printed in the entire width of the newspaper. It would be impossible to read it. Even when the size of paper allows it, the text has to be divided into columns of shorter width. Amazing! That was exactly the example I was about to give to Mithun before I decided that there was not enough value in my views to post :) In addition, the 80-character limit on code is a reasonable limit, both for the reason pointed out above and because length of lines of code varies a lot, with typical ones being short. For instance, on analysing ~30,000 lines of code I'd written (not including 0-length lines and comments) I find the following: Maximum length: 129 Minimum length: 1 Median length: 18 Mean length:23 Std deviation: 21.5 (well, you can expect that to be high) So looks like even if I don't wrap at 80, the median and mean line lengths are likely to be between 20 and 30. Can I please have that 4:3 monitor now? :) Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathurr...@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
