Re: [ilugd] Buying a New Dell Laptop Without Windows
@Gaurang Please hit Reply to All while replying to this mailing list. Gaurang's message sent to me only (by mistake) follows: On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 4:07 AM, Gaurang Aggarwal honeygaur...@gmail.comwrote: There is a EULA Agreement which should be accepted in order to complete Installation and there it was mentioned that you can get refund in case you don't accept the agreement . We guys should do something about it . Right ? -- Kartik Singhal BTech CSE Student, NIT Calicut http://www.google.com/profiles/kartiksinghal ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Buying a New Dell Laptop Without Windows
Found this recent post, may be relevant: http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/buying-a-dell-without-windows-is-not-easy-but-possible-20101228/ -- Kartik Singhal BTech CSE Student, NIT Calicut http://www.google.com/profiles/kartiksinghal ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Buying a New Dell Laptop Without Windows
On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 12:47 PM, shrey sinha shreysin...@gmail.com wrote: One of my friend bought a Dell laptop without windows few days back. So, I am sure that you can get a DELL laptop without pre-installed windows. Buying PC / Laptop without MS product will not guarantee that you will be able to exploit its full hardware capability on Linux. I purchased laptop with FreeDOS, failed to get some features (like audio recording / webcam ) worked at all. Even buying preinstalled Linux may also be not a solution. Example is Intel Classroom tablet. Preinstalled Ubuntu, works excellent, but if you want to its upgrade, other flavour, you will find stylus (touch screen / wifi / bluetooth) not working and company advise you not to upgrade. Do it at your risk + lose of warranty. In some cases, pre-installed M$ product, can work very well as dual boot on any flavour of Linux. So YMMV. Unless hardware company support FOSS, give you freedom, it is struggle. Better combine hand to fight this struggle rather than developing one's skill in resolving issues only. Legal / Political / Social fronts are equally important. -- H.S.Rai ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Buying a New Dell Laptop Without Windows
One of my friend bought a Dell laptop without windows few days back. So, I am sure that you can get a DELL laptop without pre-installed windows. I've got a Dell Vostro V-13 that is part of their N-series systems. It came with Ubuntu pre-installed, which I subsequently placed Fedora over. But more importantly, all of the components - built-in webcamera, wifi, ethernet, bluetooth etc all worked out of the box. I will highly recommend the Dell Vostro to anyone. -- Harish Pillay h.pil...@ieee.org gpg id: 746809E3 ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Buying a New Dell Laptop Without Windows
On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 11:04 PM, subodh subodh.rohi...@gmail.com wrote: Can I buy a Dell laptop without the Windows Operating System so that i can cut cost on that? Also it is unfare to forcefully sell windows to customer who are unware of the choices. Some step similar to European Union in case of web browser choice( http://mynetx.net/#!/2042/eu-settles-web-browser-arguement-with-microsoft) should be taken. Yep, I bought a Dell Inspiron from a retailer in Bangalore last year, without OS. Everything works flawlessly on Ubuntu. Not underpowered too. Cheers, Abhinav Contact Me [image: Linkedin] http://linkedin.com/in/abhinavsahai[image: Facebook] http://facebook.com/abhinavsahai[image: Flickr]http://flickr.com/photos/abhinavsahai[image: Twitter] http://twitter.com/abhinavsahai[image: Blogger]http://abhinavsahai.com/ ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Buying a New Dell Laptop Without Windows
See: http://www.techdrivein.com/2010/09/7-providers-of-pre-installed-linux.html We really need companies / shops like: http://www.system76.com/ selling PC, Laptops (rate from $385 to $1389) and server, all with Ubuntu and company sell computers ONLY with Ubuntu. -- H.S.Rai ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] Buying a New Dell Laptop Without Windows
Can I buy a Dell laptop without the Windows Operating System so that i can cut cost on that? Also it is unfare to forcefully sell windows to customer who are unware of the choices. Some step similar to European Union in case of web browser choice(http://mynetx.net/#!/2042/eu-settles-web-browser-arguement-with-microsoft ) should be taken. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Buying a New Dell Laptop Without Windows
On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 11:04 PM, subodh subodh.rohi...@gmail.com wrote:
Can I buy a Dell laptop without the Windows Operating System so that i can
cut cost on that?
Also it is unfare to forcefully sell windows to customer who are unware of
the choices. Some step similar to European Union in case of web browser
choice(
http://mynetx.net/#!/2042/eu-settles-web-browser-arguement-with-microsoft)
should be taken.
This can be tried.. but this need a good amount of effort and legal work. we
may need to hire legal services .
This if we able to take Windows refund then it will be a small revolution
in nehru place in the content of FOSS.. {infact india}
I am willing to provide any help you need in this case !
Niyam once discussed this kind of things with me but we never got time to
meet each other after that interaction.
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Re: [ilugd] Buying a New Dell Laptop Without Windows
I bought a Dell two years back with FreeDOS from Nehru Place showroom only. I don't know if they still sell those systems there, but you can surely contact them via their website to enquire about this. I had also called them up at their Bangalore office and they had agreed to send me a FreeDOS system from there, after I pay them with a credit card, which I did not have at that time, so I just went to Nehru Place. Hope that helps. -- Regards Chirag Anand Blog: http://techfreaks4u.com/blog/?author=16 anything weird is worth a try... ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Buying a New Dell Laptop Without Windows
On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 11:04 PM, subodh subodh.rohi...@gmail.com wrote: Can I buy a Dell laptop without the Windows Operating System so that i can cut cost on that? It's true that you can buy Dell without Windows as they do offer some models with Ubuntu installed ( http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/ubuntu?c=usl=encs=19 ). But the fact is those models are always kept low in hardware features compared to what they offer (or what the norm is) in their mainstream product line. My friend Jaseem had recently tried to buy a Dell Studio system without Windows though unsuccessfully. They did not agree even to not put the Windows 7 sticker on the palm rest. Out of dire need, he bought the system, formatted it to install Ubuntu and pasted some other sticker over Windows 7 sticker. As Narendra has rightly pointed out, it involves a complex legal procedure and time to get it done as was discussed in this list some months (may be over 12) back. -- Kartik Singhal BTech CSE Student, NIT Calicut http://www.google.com/profiles/kartiksinghal ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Buying a New Dell Laptop Without Windows
On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 12:12 AM, Narendra Sisodiya wrote:
On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 11:04 PM, subodh wrote:
Can I buy a Dell laptop without the Windows Operating System so
that i can cut cost on that?
As Kartik pointed out: most models without Windows preinstalled are
likely to be underpowered.
Also it is unfare to forcefully sell windows to customer who are
unware of the choices.
There is not force involved. Ignorance is no excuse for getting
fleeced. And you will find that unfair does not imply illegal.
Some step similar to European Union in case of web browser choice(
http://mynetx.net/#!/2042/eu-settles-web-browser-arguement-with-microsoft)
should be taken.
This can be tried.. but this need a good amount of effort and legal
work. we may need to hire legal services . This if we able to take
Windows refund then it will be a small revolution in nehru place
in the content of FOSS.. {infact india} I am willing to provide any
help you need in this case !
I tried getting a refund about two years ago. Even spoke to a couple
of lawyers but few understand the issue. Majority of my efforts were
meant to make Lenovo see my point (which, of course, they did not
see.) I did not try filing a simple complaint to a consumer court
which I think I should have. There was a suggestion to publish the
story but was warned that most publications will not do so (including
LFY) for various reasons.
Here are some suggestions to make your case air-tight. Document
everything: video tape box opening, first boot, license text and your
rejection of it (if you choose to do so ;-). Try and have a couple of
witnesses around while you do it. State clearly why you think you
should get the refund, send refund request to the vendor with evidence
of your disagreement with license requesting an acknowledgement, wait
for some reasonable period. Hopefully you get a favorable response or
at the very least an acknowledgment that they received your
request. File a complaint in consumer court with all the evidence,
request sent to vendor and their acknowledgement (if you do get that)
and their resposne (if they rejected your refund request.)
You will find it's not an easy battle and your life and work will get
in the way pretty soon. Sadly, not all of us have the tenacity (or
conviction) of a Stallman. :-( Please understand I am not trying to
dissuade you; I am just trying to prepare you for what you might face
if you do choose to pursue this.
All the best!
--
Manish
PS: I am willing to contribute a reasonable sum towards legal fees if
it does come to that.
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Re: [ilugd] Buying a New Dell Laptop Without Windows
Hi subodh, This is very reasonable question. Even i wanna know if it is possible to have a laptop without windows. Some one told me that we have a that kind of choice in ACER laptops but for DELL i have now idea. So do let me know if you get the answers. Since, even i am thinking of buying a DELL laptop and i want FOSS on my machine.:) Regards Aman Thakur ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Buying a New Dell Laptop Without Windows
Hi, 1: No matter whether you buy a Dell laptop with or without windows, it will support Linux in either ways. 2: Yes dell provides laptops with Linux preinstalled and definitely it will reduce cost. On 12/26/10, Aman Thakur aman.thakur.1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi subodh, This is very reasonable question. Even i wanna know if it is possible to have a laptop without windows. Some one told me that we have a that kind of choice in ACER laptops but for DELL i have now idea. So do let me know if you get the answers. Since, even i am thinking of buying a DELL laptop and i want FOSS on my machine.:) Regards Aman Thakur ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd -- Regards RAKESH Allow Your Own Inner Light to Guide You ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Buying a New Dell Laptop Without Windows
On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Aman Thakur aman.thakur.1...@gmail.comwrote: Hi subodh, This is very reasonable question. Even i wanna know if it is possible to have a laptop without windows. Some one told me that we have a that kind of choice in ACER laptops but for DELL i have now idea. So do let me know if you get the answers. Since, even i am thinking of buying a DELL laptop and i want FOSS on my machine.:) One of my friend bought a Dell laptop without windows few days back. So, I am sure that you can get a DELL laptop without pre-installed windows. Regards Aman Thakur ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd -- Regards, Shrey Sinha ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
