Re: [ilugd] Finding Virtualization Software that Fits
All, apologies, can't share the article till next month I believe. However, @Ashish, agreed Xen is much more forgiving when it comes to supported hardware, but you really cant compare Xen's performance on a server class system to its results on a desktop class machine. Also, last I checked, which was some time in Oct 2010, there were also restrictions on adding machines with heterogeneous CPUs to a server cluster (If this has changed, I would love to be updated). Finally, unless you're running a Xen modified kernel on your guest OS, you really dont get much mileage from it. Essentially I left Xen out on the same token that I left ESX out, i.e. designed for a different class of systems. On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Mahesh T. Pai paiva...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm... I risk taking the thread off topic. Ashish SHUKLA said on Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 12:24:42AM +0530,: Not sure, why you think Xen is enterprise only. Because all this:- you use daily for watching pr0n, hanging out on social networks, writing code, etc., and run VMs, is what they do (at least, one of most important things) @ enterprise environment, right? g.d.r. -- Mahesh T. Pai || End Users are just friends who haven't submitted a patch yet. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd -- What happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object? One of them has its illusions dispelled Arjun Venkatraman E-mail: ar...@arjunvenkatraman.com Mob (US): +1 (650) 924-2751 Mob (IN): +91 9811142825 Arjun Online: http://www.arjunvenkatraman.com ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Finding Virtualization Software that Fits
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Arjun Venkatraman writes: All, apologies, can't share the article till next month I believe. However, @Ashish, agreed Xen is much more forgiving when it comes to supported hardware, but you really cant compare Xen's performance on a server class system to its results on a desktop class machine. With hexacore CPUs, fast memories, SSDs, NICs available for desktops, I guess the gap is getting narrower. And IIRC, the article is about desktop class hardware ;) Also, last I checked, which was some time in Oct 2010, there were also restrictions on adding machines with heterogeneous CPUs to a server cluster (If this has changed, I would love to be updated). Could you please explain, what you mean by that? Finally, unless you're running a Xen modified kernel on your guest OS, you really dont get much mileage from it. Essentially I left Xen out on the same token that I left ESX out, i.e. designed for a different class of systems. Not anymore. Thanks to paravirt_ops[1] kernel support which was present in Linux kernel since 2.6.23, you can use same kernel to boot as dom0, domU, or without Xen. I've never used VMware ESX (nor I intend to), but from what I heard it's more like a virtualization OS made to run on bare metal, unlike Xen which doesn't restrict you in this way, so you can use dom0 for different purpose. References: [1] http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenParavirtOps HTH - -- Ashish SHUKLA “Life's unfair - but root password helps!” (Eygene Ryabinkin, .sig of Eygene Ryabinkin, 2010) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (FreeBSD) iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJOZZRFAAoJEMdGz6nnT6SwbBwP/0y43WTFmetSl7WFIOY6hbjR e6abYtpoQ0uSamjYCbzCgfgeyakpmNvdZhtDUmQIkylW0B6+xBHkBmS1Abr4U13P RB28EXaaod9M5pUtmQb/Ubr+HEFc4jwBcjQcFh84/YZWG+bPFpOQu4qzNw3hVaI0 WffaJB45Majf0PBPcYbRb/UUZ2RQVG8Ys5zcM5uvuUfW749vGkFplZfRxXhW6DUx z1jUPLto0elvwXP53Nwp+N4xcPEq0ybyNQOBsjYwquNJA6imZRLGnb2cqVuZKvSV iJAf1LpE4gQFZpw89Pk5NAymZQ1gTUGO9wuz65gD6SPOj8m+Yfwdb5jysX2CFVaQ njNvIFr8/smonhmLNorpviRWpfOwLK2wGi97hM5TqlYCx4YHT7p5exit4Tob2Unf 37BuY1WbhM40JQhKqiprw8jMrvuGNO0O1k3/QuIXPVQXEwDluR3xrAlhC+bESyNc 5p6hp9IoiqhHo+oi+YKzMR9/daM4zUVtRDMCcz/wA2M/CVIVxA8z2DEtMQsTQAVs 6NefxYb+tWZa5krKSpWck+mpW1jj9bNK8eqEvmXiuCzFBSNkFDeC6Nrj45dLiVsq 5thFW0hCr31zJb5twI5sTXtfztaJjjoEodM96xi1f9wD+tjBjt69PVAXQP4fhHgS fHe1TUnc7aw3ADGw1YAb =ETNm -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Finding Virtualization Software that Fits
Hmm... I risk taking the thread off topic. Ashish SHUKLA said on Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 12:24:42AM +0530,: Not sure, why you think Xen is enterprise only. Because all this:- you use daily for watching pr0n, hanging out on social networks, writing code, etc., and run VMs, is what they do (at least, one of most important things) @ enterprise environment, right? g.d.r. -- Mahesh T. Pai || End Users are just friends who haven't submitted a patch yet. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] Finding Virtualization Software that Fits
My article on this months LFY cover. Would love feedback. http://www.linuxforu.com http://www.linuxforu.com/how-to/virtualisation/finding-virtualisation-software-that-fits/ Regards Arjun -- What happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object? One of them has its illusions dispelled Arjun Venkatraman E-mail: ar...@arjunvenkatraman.com Mob (US): +1 (650) 924-2751 Mob (IN): +91 9811142825 Arjun Online: http://www.arjunvenkatraman.com ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Finding Virtualization Software that Fits
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Arjun Venkatraman writes: My article on this months LFY cover. Would love feedback. http://www.linuxforu.com http://www.linuxforu.com/how-to/virtualisation/finding-virtualisation-software-that-fits/ feedback - From the abstract, an article about Virtualization stack, that excludes Xen seems incomplete. You can run Xen on your X11 GUI enabled GNU/Linux box which you use daily for watching pr0n, hanging out on social networks, writing code, etc., and run VMs, and get better performance with VMs (paravirtualized). Not sure, why you think Xen is enterprise only. And also to read that article one needs to subscribe to the magazine, but they're mising the A tag around click here. As I see, you're the author of the article and hoping for some feedback, you can probably make it easily accessible i.e. without requiring LFY subscription as well, thought I'm not sure if that's allowed. /feedback - -- Ashish SHUKLA “The only difference between the saint and the sinner is that every saint has a past and every sinner has a future.” (Oscar Wilde) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (FreeBSD) iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJOXoNyAAoJEMdGz6nnT6SwFIEQAJ+hx2s2wWGD64MoyWtfqbpA JykUqfllYLbGR47DXr3hrLNXtUQJQdkmh9SMtWWY4BFF2QtbxEBB33XRsnEpp3OZ IpioEBg8XgRrLyHXlQ+ZnvvBa4KVAkCHrefZ7Nts1jsLgsj7CqWIB15OO8M1/vQT NrtujXk9hfCmvg/fGFloTxydEAk051QLS0EVY0u6KcA/iiQaAOrvrRcOzTXIa3yM z6TI/WQaBabQCaQOLxytPxd21Savmd/I89R+Kth8qcvoBESDhL3lXBaNjEjfB8HE G27XTnFnXgTg//MDFppL5hwqKfTMs4GbhALJNVHjVozMJReyizTTx/gbqTHIW6qp FD16F0SAEOl+u67Q+xekiEgApb3TCRtzyRytZRwW/WbT+87ZvZw73rZTnQI1Okmp OnfVMWWWVj4fueLG8j77i22T1huFb1qfPhR8S6gbn8y84K8Z/jSIOfB+ViW1Hkab PoIR4+LWVTFY9Bll2trTgsR8tc9BRpoUNvYeYY1rJo7IRuf8u5027Ln+DJgD7G4f ytAni2fPOmiQ7szaHFq8q2D+mKRYzCIgzoyMhxgN5uEaXDMaMSHXCCtb2H/t05Gq MZbz8fhJC29XgW7qJUArOuHs5g4fUdRfqqg6G6bTuuZ3c+8L3P2S81Gq1vIL0Asa +G/aFSHVhmDa1Hpw7w59 =Bbo3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
