Re: [ilugd] google docs vs openoffice-in-the-cloud
2010/7/18 Raj Mathur (राज माथुर) r...@linux-delhi.org On Sunday 18 Jul 2010, H.S.Rai wrote: 2010/7/18 Raj Mathur (राज माथुर) r...@linux-delhi.org: any viable alternative to Google Docs has to present an interface that has a minimal learning curve. Don't http://eyeos.org/ fit the bill? Now /this/ looks hot! Thanks for the link. sizzling in the wet monsoon actually. it's matured quite a lot since i last checked it out indeed. so what next, host this on the ilug-d or a nixi or other server for ilug-d / FOSS users in india, where the community may author and collaborate documents they wish the community to participate in? this way we keep those cages-in-the-cloud out of our mailing lists and efforts? do need to add some method of attributing creativecommons licenses to authored and collaborated works. note of caution: ilug-d is 100% reliable when it comes to unreliability, as well as for .1% downtime, so a disclaimer and a non-amazon backup-storage of crucial documents would also be a good idea. regards niyam Regards, -- Raju -- -- niyam bhushan ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] google docs vs openoffice-in-the-cloud
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Raj Mathur (राज माथुर) writes: On Sunday 18 Jul 2010, narendra sisodiya wrote: Well, for using openoffice files we first need to make a good openoffice viewer. Somebody has to sit and make Complete unzipping libraries in JavaScript. http://odp-view.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/src/test1.html Let me reiterate Niyam's point here: Google Docs has no place in an Open Web, regardless of alternatives being available or not. Right. All we need is a GNU Emacs port to Web 2.7182818284 platform :) - -- Ashish SHUKLA | GPG: F682 CDCC 39DC 0FEA E116 20B6 C746 CFA9 E74F A4B0 freebsd.org!ashish | http://people.freebsd.org/~ashish/ “When two trains approach each other at a crossing, both shall come to a full stop and neither shall start up again until the other has gone.” (Kansas State Legislature) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.15 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJMQpkqAAoJEMdGz6nnT6SwiFMQALGM8XjdZTI5LwhdmEONnl4P al0INI4f9xoojKpwfF+S7b4hLEMm9gVW9s6XbLFAwAp/K1ubjcj8h7cqY/iK/FIh fpnmCUfY5YvEThbYskNGlbhZnvUW5ti1c6s6ijG9Ped73q1Ii+dsspleviRjQz+T GDys8IPDrg2n12D/T8VHXmN7xS+E1H8Un3tXYRsgm0OZfkp80WbS2liyjryErQMP eVf1zgM+9lTnaiP0wvFsN8nQyCf7m3AdcnDXF+9p/25HH8iTnsjK/VICkDwk5FgK d+EMcPygpgGgh+L1TXJL+Q55r5QeIzT2j9qzvQmk6j8T/7kS8TT/KS9msafi+DZk d17WfpX9ezz/jbqQStRPsgmUvMKmCj8/iRHUrdca7BmB7sjkqf4rIq1pDh/dxLOe dFMBynLFuj6lwR8ZHD6+UXYpHvnr+T42seqQJtlkGoe2Epyf4x7ug2mHm9Lg8YIg 9T7/hQ0VAVpD8cTab54OFkyc5/wgxgiRWvvitIIYT7C6GVR3R8cNPg8iltLVsNFf NZLtEjCvGBWBgFV88JKYImFC7KKaf2/EyD4vZNPHtVYR8HV2WF4Ojz60FlUi/WG2 P9XSsBx3xp00GA/y3pImduFJggmppmKuaBKWpu7o4OM1YrfU4CXF1fSS7EeRh0LO +QztWQ8xR7QpC1dz7ptD =NZjw -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] google docs vs openoffice-in-the-cloud
On Sunday 18 Jul 2010, H.S.Rai wrote: 2010/7/18 Raj Mathur (राज माथुर) r...@linux-delhi.org: any viable alternative to Google Docs has to present an interface that has a minimal learning curve. Don't http://eyeos.org/ fit the bill? Now /this/ looks hot! Thanks for the link. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathurr...@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] google docs vs openoffice-in-the-cloud
dear all, noticed a couple of emails in the ILUG-D flood, that point to docs that people have stored and shared on google-docs, for inputs and comments from ilug-d. astonishing how muft and mukt visions go up in smoke when they go up in the cloud. isn't there a better way for us to collaborate on spreadsheets, wordprocessed files, presentations, using the web and nothing but the web, so help me lord, 1) using a totally muft and mukt stack of platforms and solutions 2) ownership is guaranteed in the hands of the collaborators. 3) our data is not sitting in someone else's golden-cage with the key in their backpocket? 4) optionally, authored files may be tagged for search-engines under a CC license? scribid comes to mind. slideshare for presentations. but nothing holistic here, yet. in fact, this may just be nice idea for a startup, if done right. regards niyam -- niyam bhushan ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] google docs vs openoffice-in-the-cloud
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 4:04 AM, Linux Lingam linuxlin...@gmail.com wrote: dear all, scribid comes to mind. slideshare for presentations. but nothing holistic here, yet. Well, for using openoffice files we first need to make a good openoffice viewer. Somebody has to sit and make Complete unzipping libraries in JavaScript. http://odp-view.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/src/test1.html -- ┌─┐ │Narendra Sisodiya │http://narendrasisodiya.com └─┘ ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] google docs vs openoffice-in-the-cloud
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 4:04 AM, Linux Lingam linuxlin...@gmail.com wrote: dear all, noticed a couple of emails in the ILUG-D flood, that point to docs that people have stored and shared on google-docs, for inputs and comments from ilug-d. astonishing how muft and mukt visions go up in smoke when they go up in the cloud. isn't there a better way for us to collaborate on spreadsheets, wordprocessed files, presentations, using the web and nothing but the web, so help me lord, 1) using a totally muft and mukt stack of platforms and solutions 2) ownership is guaranteed in the hands of the collaborators. 3) our data is not sitting in someone else's golden-cage with the key in their backpocket? 4) optionally, authored files may be tagged for search-engines under a CC license? scribid comes to mind. slideshare for presentations. but nothing holistic here, yet. wait for three-four months. gnowledge.org lab is going to release a web application to do documents, knowledge organisation, presentations, calendar, tasks, spreadsheets, mind maps, concept maps ... . all of this in plain text. This project is based on http://orgmode.org. Meanwhile you may look http://orgmode.org/worg. This is good enough for people who know how to collaborate and work using git, svn. The version we are making will be a web app that does the job for the users. -- GN ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] google docs vs openoffice-in-the-cloud
On Sunday 18 Jul 2010, Nagarjuna G wrote: wait for three-four months. gnowledge.org lab is going to release a web application to do documents, knowledge organisation, presentations, calendar, tasks, spreadsheets, mind maps, concept maps ... . all of this in plain text. This project is based on http://orgmode.org. What will the learning curve be like? The reason Google Docs and similar are so popular is because they offer an interface mostly indistinguishable from the document/spreadsheet processing that people do on their desktops. If they have to learn new formatting commands, etc. I'm afraid the usage is going to remain limited to people like you and me who have Emacs/TeX experience, and who are comfortable using plain-text markup. Much as I hate to say this, any viable alternative to Google Docs has to present an interface that has a minimal learning curve. In other words, it has to mimic Excel as far as possible; without that, end-users will simply not use the service, however good it may be. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathurr...@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] google docs vs openoffice-in-the-cloud
On Sunday 18 Jul 2010, narendra sisodiya wrote: Well, for using openoffice files we first need to make a good openoffice viewer. Somebody has to sit and make Complete unzipping libraries in JavaScript. http://odp-view.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/src/test1.html Let me reiterate Niyam's point here: Google Docs has no place in an Open Web, regardless of alternatives being available or not. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathurr...@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] google docs vs openoffice-in-the-cloud
2010/7/18 Raj Mathur (राज माथुर) r...@linux-delhi.org: any viable alternative to Google Docs has to present an interface that has a minimal learning curve. Don't http://eyeos.org/ fit the bill? -- H.S.Rai ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] google docs vs openoffice-in-the-cloud
2010/7/18 Raj Mathur (राज माथुर) r...@linux-delhi.org: On Sunday 18 Jul 2010, Nagarjuna G wrote: wait for three-four months. gnowledge.org lab is going to release a web application to do documents, knowledge organisation, presentations, calendar, tasks, spreadsheets, mind maps, concept maps ... . all of this in plain text. This project is based on http://orgmode.org. What will the learning curve be like? The reason Google Docs and similar are so popular is because they offer an interface mostly indistinguishable from the document/spreadsheet processing that people do on their desktops. If they have to learn new formatting commands, etc. I'm afraid the usage is going to remain limited to people like you and me who have Emacs/TeX experience, and who are comfortable using plain-text markup. We are going to do it in two phases: in the first phase it is ready for you and me and in the second phase it will have a GUI. Just as a tinyMCA or such online editors can introduce html tags in the buffer, it is possible to introduce orgmode and simple markup. people like you and me can alternatively and optionally edit the text buffer direclty. others would use a javascript based editor like tinyMCA. Much as I hate to say this, any viable alternative to Google Docs has to present an interface that has a minimal learning curve. In other words, it has to mimic Excel as far as possible; without that, end-users will simply not use the service, however good it may be. Indeed. the objective of this project is to bring the best of orgmode and gnowsys to the rest of the non-geeky community. We need contributions of experts in UI design (Niyam are you listening!) -- GN ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
