Re: [ilugd] Fc =! production??
gaurav wrote: Hi guys, I want to know if fedora is good enough for production Even though I not much problem running my fc servers all people I have consulted say I should use debian (and no I cannot pay for RHEL).is it based on facts like security holes, bugs and response , patches availability or some general perception ?? In summary, it depends. If you want the latest softwares, use Fedora. However, be prepared that in a year's time, you will have to upgrade your system to the newer version Fedora. Use Debian if you are happy with older softwares and you want to keep your system in the same state for quite a few years. As far as security of a system goes, that depends on the sys admin maintaining the system. Both the distros take good care to lock down critical packages. If you need the latest versions of, say Apache/MySQL/PHP, to get your work done, Fedora Core is a good choice. However, I would advice you to remain one step behind the latest release of FC. i.e. when they release FC-3, you use FC-2. The major disadvantage of FC is the way they ignore legacy systems. They have a Fedora Legacy project, to take care of FC-1 and FC-2 . Theoretically speaking, if suppose there is a bug in the mysql-server package that was distributed with FC-1, Fedora legacy will release the fix. However, the legacy project has a track record of not doing that. Debian is very conservative in what packages it releases as stable. They stay many steps behind the latest release of any software. On the plus side, they have a very good record of maintaining older packages and releasing timely patches. Their package management is quite good. They have a big user base too. -- Raj Shekhar Y! : Operations Engineer MySQL DBA, programmer and slacker Y!IM : lunatech3007 home : http://rajshekhar.net blog : http://rajshekhar.net/blog/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Fc =! production??
On Tue, 2005-03-22 at 13:08 +0530, gaurav wrote: Hi guys, I want to know if fedora is good enough for production Even though I not much problem running my fc servers all people I have consulted say I should use debian (and no I cannot pay for RHEL).is it based on facts like security holes, bugs and response , patches availability or some general perception ?? Part of it is fact, and a part is perception. For perception, take a look at http://atulchitnis.net/writings/eyeballtrap.php And about the facts... Sysadmins running production servers tend to be a bit conservative about the software running on them. e.g. you will still find people running Red Hat Linux 7.3 (I am one of them). Debian stable appeals to these people because of the emphasis given on stability rather than being current. Fedora Core packages a lot of software which are in their current versions. With not much history behind them, these sysadmins find it uncomfortable to risk their systems on such unknowns. On the other hand, Fedora Core is good enough for most other applications - you can run web staging servers, mail servers, database servers etc. without too much trouble. Just remember that whenever people talk about stability, every one has a different view on what stability means .. and in many cases it is different from what they actually need. -- Sandip Bhattacharya*Puroga Technologies * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work: http://www.puroga.com *Home/Blog: http://www.sandipb.net/blog PGP/GPG Signature: 51A4 6C57 4BC6 8C82 6A65 AE78 B1A1 2280 A129 0FF3 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Fc =! production??
Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: Part of it is fact, and a part is perception. For perception, take a look at http://atulchitnis.net/writings/eyeballtrap.php I am not sure what part Chitnis' writing answers the question the original poster had asked. From what I could see there, it was a rant of how *most* commercial Linux companies try to push their proprietary softwares by saying that it runs on Linux. From what I know, both the distros (as well as RedHat) are very good at keeping the non-free softwares out of their releases. Or am I missing something ? -- Raj Shekhar Y! : Operations Engineer MySQL DBA, programmer and slacker Y!IM : lunatech3007 home : http://rajshekhar.net blog : http://rajshekhar.net/blog/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Fc =! production??
On Tue, 2005-03-22 at 14:13 +0530, Raj shekhar wrote: Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: Part of it is fact, and a part is perception. For perception, take a look at http://atulchitnis.net/writings/eyeballtrap.php I am not sure what part Chitnis' writing answers the question the original poster had asked. From what I could see there, it was a rant of how *most* commercial Linux companies try to push their proprietary softwares by saying that it runs on Linux. My point with that article was it talks about the trend (and vested interests) of various Linux vendors to spread the notion that the Free distributions and software are not good enough and their commercial variants are better. - Sandip -- Sandip Bhattacharya*Puroga Technologies * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work: http://www.puroga.com *Home/Blog: http://www.sandipb.net/blog PGP/GPG Signature: 51A4 6C57 4BC6 8C82 6A65 AE78 B1A1 2280 A129 0FF3 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Fc =! production??
Sandip == Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sandip On Tue, 2005-03-22 at 13:08 +0530, gaurav wrote: Hi guys, I want to know if fedora is good enough for production Even though I not much problem running my fc servers all people I have consulted say I should use debian (and no I cannot pay for RHEL).is it based on facts like security holes, bugs and response , patches availability or some general perception ?? Sandip Part of it is fact, and a part is perception. For Sandip perception, take a look at Sandip http://atulchitnis.net/writings/eyeballtrap.php Sandip And about the facts... Sysadmins running production Sandip servers tend to be a bit conservative about the software Sandip running on them. e.g. you will still find people running Sandip Red Hat Linux 7.3 (I am one of them). Debian stable Sandip appeals to these people because of the emphasis given on Sandip stability rather than being current. Fedora Core packages Sandip a lot of software which are in their current Sandip versions. With not much history behind them, these Sandip sysadmins find it uncomfortable to risk their systems on Sandip such unknowns. Sandip On the other hand, Fedora Core is good enough for most Sandip other applications - you can run web staging servers, mail Sandip servers, database servers etc. without too much trouble. Sandip Just remember that whenever people talk about stability, Sandip every one has a different view on what stability means Sandip .. and in many cases it is different from what they Sandip actually need. I can see more flame wars in the making, but here goes anyway... I have been steadily moving my clients over from old versions of Red Hat to Debian over the past few months. And yes, I hate getting stuck with pre-historic software as much as the next person. So what I do is migrate to Debian Sarge (the Testing release). You'd be surprised how extremely stable Sarge is. On a subjective note, I'd say Sarge is at least as stable as FC3, if not more. One server I manage is handling scanning and relay of 1M mail messages a day over the past 4 months (Sendmail, ClamAV, SpamAssassin), and is rock solid -- no problems at all and consistent load average under 5, usually under 1. Now THAT is what I like to see in my client production boxes -- fewer calls to me, you see :) I liked Sarge so much that when I bought my new desktop box (I'm sure you've all heard of it by now ;) I got rid of the FC that I'd been running on all my other systems and installed Sarge on it. This was a couple of months ago, and I haven't regretted the decision once so far. Everything works out of the box, the system is stable, new versions of all software I use are available, and apt is a dream to administer. Have a good look at Sarge if you want both the stability and security of Debian and the cutting edge packages of FC. And of course, if you run into any trouble I'll be glad to help you, for the usual nominal fee :) Gotta go now... time to install another 6 Sarge boxes in Gurgaon. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
