Re: english text only?
To filter out Asian MIME content, use the Content-Type checks in Postfix's body_checks file as well. Someone else can work out the filters for Asian content when no obvious clues are available. These filters are catching about 75% of all the Asian language coming through info-cvs and others. Now to work on a filter that will nuke only mail from open-relays in Asia, since I still need the legit mail to come through. ...Ken Kenneth Loafman wrote: Previous posts indicate that the list owner, gnu.org. does not believe in filtering. Not sure what their stand on open relays is, but they will not filter or block email. I don't like blocking entire domains either, so I came up with a solution that only blocks Asian language email. It uses the Subject: and Content-Type: headers to isolate the character set and blocks the most common Asian types. This is a postfix header_check file. You'll need to adapt it to your client or mailer as needed. # header checks to kill Asian language spam /^Subject:.*=\?big5\?/ REJECT /^Content-Type:.*charset=.*big5/REJECT /^Subject:.*=\?euc-kr\?/REJECT /^Content-Type:.*charset=.*euc-kr/ REJECT /^Subject:.*=\?gb2312\?/REJECT /^Content-Type:.*charset=.*gb2312/ REJECT /^Subject:.*=\?iso-.*-jp\?/ REJECT /^Content-Type:.*charset=.*iso-.*-jp/ REJECT /^Subject:.*=\?koi8\?/ REJECT /^Content-Type:.*charset=.*koi8-r/ REJECT /^Subject:.*=\?ks_c_5601-1987\?/REJECT /^Content-Type:.*charset=.*ks_c_5601-1987/ REJECT This is only a start, but its shown good sucess for getting rid of the gibberish without nuking anything you might want. ...Thanks, ...Kenneth Ryan Speed wrote: It seems to be a trend lately, I'm on a few lists that get spammed with this bullshit. I think the best bet would be to disallow mail from people who aren't subscribed to the list. ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Eric Siegerman Sent: March 19, 2002 10:38 AM To: cvsInfo Subject: Re: english text only? On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 07:15:12PM +0100, Leif Hanack wrote: i'm new to this mailing-list and i'm wondering myself why i receive mails with strange characters in it. i guess it is japanese or stuff like that. It's spam. The rest of us don't want it either! nevertheless, how can i get rid of it? I wish I knew... -- | | /\ |-_|/ Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont.[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | / Outlook not so good. That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next. - Anonymous ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
Re: english text only?
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Greg A. Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those of you looking for a different context to host this forum in seem to forget that CVS _is_ GNU software, and having the mailing list hosted @gnu.org is quite important. For many of us the highly over- If it *is* gnu software, why is it hosted in the non-gnu area on ftp.gnu.org? mrc -- Mike Castle [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.netcom.com/~dalgoda/ We are all of us living in the shadow of Manhattan. -- Watchmen fatal (You are in a maze of twisty compiler features, all different); -- gcc ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
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[ On Saturday, March 23, 2002 at 13:05:34 (-0800), Mike Castle wrote: ] Subject: Re: english text only? In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Greg A. Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those of you looking for a different context to host this forum in seem to forget that CVS _is_ GNU software, and having the mailing list hosted @gnu.org is quite important. For many of us the highly over- If it *is* gnu software, why is it hosted in the non-gnu area on ftp.gnu.org? Recently the FSF have been sorting copyleft'ed software into that where the copyright license is actually now owned exclusively by the FSF and that which is simply licensed under the same terms. As far as I can tell this seems to be primarily because RMS doesn't believe anyone can properly and safely manage copyright licensing of free software other than the FSF. (There have been repeated campaigns by the FSF to get those of us who maintain GPL'ed software to assign its copyright directly and permanently to the FSF.) Most folks still consider all GPL (and LGPL, etc.) licensed code to be GNU code, despite who might actually ultimately own the copyright. That's why I used the label GNU software, not FSF software. :-) (CVS is still copyright primarily by Brian Berliner and Jeff Polk. I don't know aobut other current and past maintainers who've contributed code, but I've implicitly assigned copyright for my changes to Brian.) -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 218-0098; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Planix, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED]; VE3TCP; Secrets of the Weird [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
Re: english text only?
Eric Siegerman wrote: On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 05:44:27PM -0500, Greg A. Woods wrote: Surely you know about [EMAIL PROTECTED] too -- it's in the SMTP envelope of, and multiple times in all the headers of, every message from this list. Also [EMAIL PROTECTED], to which their web site says comments should be directed: http://www.gnu.org/prep/mailinglists.html#Spam and of course [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gnu.org/prep/mailinglists.html#General Information about info-* lists makes me wonder if we could get the list turned into a moderated where the moderator is a program that: 1) requires subscription to the list before it will pass the message, and /dev/null's the non-subscriber's email. 2) replies to html messages indicating this is a mailing list, not a web page, and /dev/null's the original incoming mail. 3) replies to unicode messages that this is an email list, which uses ascii, and /dev/null's the original incoming mail. 4) passes any messages which are from subscribers but not html or unicode on to the list. -- __ I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you. -- Vance Petree, Virginia Power ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
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On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 09:56:11AM -0500, Todd Denniston wrote: http://www.gnu.org/prep/mailinglists.html#General Information about info-* lists makes me wonder if we could get the list turned into a moderated where the moderator is a program that: [filters out obvious junk and approves the rest] Heh. Neat idea. Of course, since they're using mailman, approval is done via a web form. So somebody'd have to write code to parse the HTML and send the appropriate responses. Ick. -- | | /\ |-_|/ Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont.[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | / Outlook not so good. That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next. - Anonymous ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
RE: english text only?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stephen Leake Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 4:25 PM [...] Which suggests a solution; eliminate the mailing list, and let everyone read this as a newsgroup. Newsgroups get much less spam. How many people reading this have mail access, but not newsgroup access? Me for instance, as my employer doesn't grant newsgroup access to us. I would be locked out if the mailing list were closed. Therefore: that's no good idea. Nevertheless that amount of spam is really annoying! Greetinx Martin ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
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At least Yahoo Groups do not allow non-subscribers to send mail to a list. If the administration of this list can't be reached then I suggest the list is moved to Yahoo Groups instead. Besides, interface to the archive of this list could be better, there is no search facility AFAIK, only one huge (65MB or so) text file and separate text files for each month. Well, the missing search facility isn't really too much of a problem really, but the spam drives me crazy. I'm about this | close to unsubscribe from this list because of spam even though I consider this mailing list very useful. Regards, Jani Kajala - Original Message - From: Martin Rohrig [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stephen Leake [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 12:16 PM Subject: RE: english text only? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stephen Leake Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 4:25 PM [...] Which suggests a solution; eliminate the mailing list, and let everyone read this as a newsgroup. Newsgroups get much less spam. How many people reading this have mail access, but not newsgroup access? Me for instance, as my employer doesn't grant newsgroup access to us. I would be locked out if the mailing list were closed. Therefore: that's no good idea. Nevertheless that amount of spam is really annoying! Greetinx Martin ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
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[ On Thursday, March 21, 2002 at 14:40:46 (+0200), Jani Kajala wrote: ] Subject: Re: english text only? At least Yahoo Groups do not allow non-subscribers to send mail to a list. If the administration of this list can't be reached then I suggest the list is moved to Yahoo Groups instead. Besides, interface to the archive of this list could be better, there is no search facility AFAIK, only one huge (65MB or so) text file and separate text files for each month. Last I looked Yahoo Groups was even less appropriate than a GNUsenet group. Those of you looking for a different context to host this forum in seem to forget that CVS _is_ GNU software, and having the mailing list hosted @gnu.org is quite important. For many of us the highly over- commercialised nature of Yahoo and its ilk is also totally inappropriate, especially for GNU software and GNU users who do in fact commonly avoid Yahoo on principle (just search around on Yahoo for well known GNU people and see how many you can find participating in their forums!). If _EVERYONE_ who was concerned about this issue would contact the list administrators directly instead of just posting a meta disussion to the list itself then maybe something would happen. So far as I know there have only been a very tiny percentage of us contacting the list admins directly. (The list admins DO NOT read this list itself!) -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 218-0098; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Planix, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED]; VE3TCP; Secrets of the Weird [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
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Greg A. Woods wrote: SNIP If _EVERYONE_ who was concerned about this issue would contact the list administrators directly instead of just posting a meta disussion to the list itself then maybe something would happen. So far as I know there have only been a very tiny percentage of us contacting the list admins directly. (The list admins DO NOT read this list itself!) do you mean: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] found at the bottom of http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs this is the only thing I could find that I thought referred to the admins, and yes I HAVE (just a few minutes ago) sent this address an email asking for some changes. -- __ I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you. -- Vance Petree, Virginia Power ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
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Greg A. Woods wrote: If _EVERYONE_ who was concerned about this issue would contact the list administrators directly instead of just posting a meta disussion to the list itself then maybe something would happen. So far as I know there have only been a very tiny percentage of us contacting the list admins directly. (The list admins DO NOT read this list itself!) I'm concerned about this issue, but have not been closely following this thread *precisely* because there seemed to be little indication of the possibility of change. But if you say that contacting the administrators directly may help, then I certainly will. Can you help by providing the address to contact, and any suggestions of how best to approach them? thanks, dtayl ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
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[ On Thursday, March 21, 2002 at 16:36:32 (-0500), Todd Denniston wrote: ] Subject: Re: english text only? do you mean: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] found at the bottom of http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs that's one of them, I think. this is the only thing I could find that I thought referred to the admins, Surely you know about [EMAIL PROTECTED] too -- it's in the SMTP envelope of, and multiple times in all the headers of, every message from this list. and yes I HAVE (just a few minutes ago) sent this address an email asking for some changes. Good! Thank you! :-) -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 218-0098; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Planix, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED]; VE3TCP; Secrets of the Weird [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
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On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 05:44:27PM -0500, Greg A. Woods wrote: Surely you know about [EMAIL PROTECTED] too -- it's in the SMTP envelope of, and multiple times in all the headers of, every message from this list. Also [EMAIL PROTECTED], to which their web site says comments should be directed: http://www.gnu.org/prep/mailinglists.html#Spam and of course [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- | | /\ |-_|/ Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont.[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | / Outlook not so good. That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next. - Anonymous ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Greg A. Woods) writes: [ On Thursday, March 21, 2002 at 01:14:22 (GMT), Stephen Leake wrote: ] Subject: Re: english text only? Can you say why? I read email and new with Emacs Gnus, and I can't tell the difference between the email and the news; they are all just groups. What news reader software have you tried, and not liked? GNUS is way to huge, way too slow, and way to horrible to use for e-mail. Maybe in the past, but not these days. (without expert tuning it's also way too dangerous -- desiring by default to do stupid and dangerous things like interpret HTML) That's true, if you also have w3 installed. Can be turned off. I like it for news though -- it's easier for me these days than the baroqueness of 'trn', which was once my favourite newsreader, and 'rn' was what I used before that. I've used 'tin' a fair bit, but I don't like it that much. Well, if you like it for news, you aught to like it for mail, since it's the same! I've been reading e-mail with ViewMail for nearly a decade I think (my earliest CVS repo for the vm source started 1994/03/28, but I'm reasonably certain I started using VM daily well before that, even while I still used mailx, Mail, and mostly 'mush' a lot). It is definitely painful to change away from something with that much history :). -- -- Stephe ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
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Mark A. Flacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: List? What list? I'm reading this in the newsgroup gnu.cvs.help. Which suggests a solution; eliminate the mailing list, and let everyone read this as a newsgroup. Newsgroups get much less spam. How many people reading this have mail access, but not newsgroup access? -- -- Stephe ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
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On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Stephen Leake wrote: Which suggests a solution; eliminate the mailing list, and let everyone read this as a newsgroup. Newsgroups get much less spam. How many people reading this have mail access, but not newsgroup access? This is not rocket science -- set Mailman to allow email posts from list members only, and be done with it. 20 seconds with the control interface. If it does not work, that is, if the dog food is not tasty, you do not get rid of the dog -- you fix the food. -- Russ Herrold ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
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[ On Wednesday, March 20, 2002 at 15:24:35 (GMT), Stephen Leake wrote: ] Subject: Re: english text only? Which suggests a solution; eliminate the mailing list, and let everyone read this as a newsgroup. Newsgroups get much less spam. The newsgroup won't get less spam unless you can convince gnu.org to actually delete the mailing list and thus shut down the gateway, while at the same time keeping the newsgroup. How many people reading this have mail access, but not newsgroup access? Count me out. I don't do news much any more -- e-mail is far easier for me to handle. I'll stay on the list and continue to campaign for subscriber-only access (which will at least kill half the spam or more). -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 218-0098; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Planix, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED]; VE3TCP; Secrets of the Weird [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Greg A. Woods) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:29:23 -0500 (EST) [...] How many people reading this have mail access, but not newsgroup access? Count me out. Me too. Newsgroups, in my experience, are awash in spam, and just too bloody much of a pain. If info-cvs becomes news-only, I'll just bail on it. I've set up a redistributor for info-cvs which runs on my home machine. It does a fair job of filtering the crap, and is getting progressively better as I refine my filters. If there's interest, I can open it up to general subscription, and whose who care about a spam-limited info-cvs list can subscribe that way. ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
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Greg == Greg A Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Greg Greg Count me out. I don't do news much any more -- e-mail is far easier for Greg me to handle. I'll stay on the list and continue to campaign for Greg subscriber-only access (which will at least kill half the spam or more). (dons NOMEX outfit) Reads as if you are using poor tools for your news reader. ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
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[ On , March 19, 2002 at 14:20:19 (-0600), Mark A. Flacy wrote: ] Subject: Re: english text only? List? What list? I'm reading this in the newsgroup gnu.cvs.help. info-cvs is primarily, and was originally, a mailing list, hosted at gnu.org. It is also gatewayed to the GNUsenet system for those who prefer to use a news reader to follow forums like this (esp. in context with the other gnu.* groups). If I'm not mistaken all the GNUsenet groups are available as mailing lists, and most started as mailing lists too, only becoming GNUsenet groups when the volume of postings warranted. Once upon a time many people received their e-mail and *Usenet feeds over very slow and/or very expensive long-distance links. Having multiple people at a given site subscribe to multiple gnu.org mailing lists made it cheaper and more effective to use news instead of e-mail. Once upon a time GNUsenet did not enjoy as wide a distribution as the rest of Usenet (partly because many sites received their news feeds over very slow and/or very expensive long-distance links). These days almost everyone gets their e-mail and news feeds over Internet links. People who read news often read it from a VERY large shared system at their ISP's location, and most large ISPs still running their own news servers get a full news feed and GNUsenet is only a very very tiny fraction of the entire feed. However even without the alt hierarchy and binary groups a newsfeed is still very large and sometimes beyond the abilities of the average smaller ISP. So while GNUsenet now enjoys nearly 100% equivalent distribution to the non-binary parts of Usenet, not nearly so many people have truly free or inclusive-priced news reading and posting service. Also, the average ISP no longer cares about the waste of a few duplicate mailing list subscriptions, what with the vast wastage their upstream connections suffer from HTTP et al (even with transparent caching servers in place). Finally for many of us news is still too littered with bad behaviour and spam (many many orders of magnitude worse now all year 'round than it ever was at the beginning of the school year in days gone by). So, I suspect the majority of readers of and posters to this forum now access it as a mailing list. Even though I have effectively free high-speed access to a news server that keeps all non-binary groups for 30 days, I can't be bothered to look at it. (and once upon a time I ran a rather busy full-feed news server myself, back in the days when I could receive a feed and push more than two more copies back out on the same Telebit modem, along with all my e-mail! :-) W.R.T. spam, once upon a time the majority of the spam in this forum came from cross- and direct-posted Gnusenet spam. That situation seems to have either improved, or been drastically overshadowed by the enormous amount of spam now arriving directly to the mailing list re-distribution address. Interestingly not all gnu.org mailing lists suffer so badly as this one. I was reminded by the end-of-month notice that I still stubscribe to one other gnu.org list, and I don't remember ever getting any spam on it. I do not know why it is spam free while info-cvs is not. -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 218-0098; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Planix, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED]; VE3TCP; Secrets of the Weird [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
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[ On Tuesday, March 19, 2002 at 12:51:31 (-0800), Tom Plunket wrote: ] Subject: Re: english text only? Daniels, David wrote: Agreed. We can't seem to get the list managers to take action, though. It would make the Usenet interface tough to handle, then... What would? Filtering spam from the list injection address won't affect the GNUsenet gateway in any way (other than preventing the list from spewing more spam out onto GNUsenet, of course) -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 218-0098; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Planix, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED]; VE3TCP; Secrets of the Weird [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
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I'm willing to take my chances, I don't know of any spammers that would take the time to join a mailing list in order to spam, blocking outside senders has completely stopped spam on another list that I am on, I'm pretty sure it'd be helpful here too. that is even my experience! mailing-lists that need to subscribe in order to post are mostly clean from spams! are the admin reading this as well? who do we need to contact? tia, leif ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Greg A. Woods) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:29:23 -0500 (EST) [...] How many people reading this have mail access, but not newsgroup access? Count me out. Me too. Newsgroups, in my experience, are awash in spam, Ok. My experience differs, but we've probably been reading different groups. info-cvs is the first mailing list/newsgroup I've encountered that gets so much spam, so I've been blaming it on the mailing list side. and just too bloody much of a pain. pain in what way? Your newsreader is not as friendly as your mail reader? There are better ones out there! Netscape newsreader is pretty good; I prefer Emacs Gnus. If info-cvs becomes news-only, I'll just bail on it. I've set up a redistributor for info-cvs which runs on my home machine. It does a fair job of filtering the crap, and is getting progressively better as I refine my filters. If there's interest, I can open it up to general subscription, and whose who care about a spam-limited info-cvs list can subscribe that way. I'd like to see your list of filters, so I can add them to my Gnus setup. I'd rather rely on the news servers than your mail server. -- -- Stephe ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Greg A. Woods) writes: [ On Wednesday, March 20, 2002 at 15:24:35 (GMT), Stephen Leake wrote: ] Subject: Re: english text only? Which suggests a solution; eliminate the mailing list, and let everyone read this as a newsgroup. Newsgroups get much less spam. The newsgroup won't get less spam unless you can convince gnu.org to actually delete the mailing list and thus shut down the gateway, while at the same time keeping the newsgroup. Which is what eliminate the mailing list means. How many people reading this have mail access, but not newsgroup access? Count me out. I don't do news much any more -- e-mail is far easier for me to handle. Can you say why? I read email and new with Emacs Gnus, and I can't tell the difference between the email and the news; they are all just groups. What news reader software have you tried, and not liked? I'll stay on the list and continue to campaign for subscriber-only access (which will at least kill half the spam or more). Will subscriber-only access allow me to post via the newsgroup? -- -- Stephe ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
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[ On , March 20, 2002 at 17:16:11 (-0600), Mark A. Flacy wrote: ] Subject: Re: english text only? Reads as if you are using poor tools for your news reader. I have a plethora of most excellent news readers available for my use, and I am an expert user of most of them (though I generally only use one any more these days, when I need to use one). Remember I was a news server and feed operator (at several sites simultaneously) for quite a few years. I've done software development and maintenance of both news transport systems and news readers. I've even ported and maintained the old 'notes' software from which 'modern' news and Lotus Notes both grew from (and which itself was based on idas from pnotes and gnotes from the Plato system). RFC-1036 based systems are not the right tool to use _exclusively_ for a forum such as this one. Plain old e-mail is far less restrictive, far more widly accessible, and far easier to use for the vast majority of users who might be interested in this topic. Once upon a time when I ran news servers I would gateway mailing lists of common local interest into local newsgroups. However I soon learned that with the appropriate mail reading tools I didn't need to resort to translating messages back and forth between RFC-1026 and RFC-822 just to be able to manage discussion forums in RFC-822 format. (Of course if you work at a site where lots of people are quite interested in in the topic at hand, and all or most of your colleagues are already familiar with using newsreaders, and you already have the infrastructure in place to support newsgroups, then a local news gateway to either the GNUsenet system, or even a local news gateway to the mailing list, may be the most appropriate tool to use for this forum at your particular site and for those of your colleagues who like it that way, but only at your own site and others very much like it in these specific ways.) -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 218-0098; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Planix, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED]; VE3TCP; Secrets of the Weird [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
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[ On Thursday, March 21, 2002 at 01:14:22 (GMT), Stephen Leake wrote: ] Subject: Re: english text only? Can you say why? I read email and new with Emacs Gnus, and I can't tell the difference between the email and the news; they are all just groups. What news reader software have you tried, and not liked? GNUS is way to huge, way too slow, and way to horrible to use for e-mail. (without expert tuning it's also way too dangerous -- desiring by default to do stupid and dangerous things like interpret HTML) I like it for news though -- it's easier for me these days than the baroqueness of 'trn', which was once my favourite newsreader, and 'rn' was what I used before that. I've used 'tin' a fair bit, but I don't like it that much. I've been reading e-mail with ViewMail for nearly a decade I think (my earliest CVS repo for the vm source started 1994/03/28, but I'm reasonably certain I started using VM daily well before that, even while I still used mailx, Mail, and mostly 'mush' a lot). Pine users have the best of both worlds, but I can't stand Pine (it might not be Elm, which I HATE even more, but it's way too non-unixy) Netscrape/Mozilla users have decent integration too, but they're infinitely too GUI for me (not to mention being horrid pigs and of course unusable entirely on text-only sessions). Will subscriber-only access allow me to post via the newsgroup? I don't see why not. The gateway software has to be a subscriber anyway, so only a stupid mis-configuration could prevent it from working both ways like it does now. -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 218-0098; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Planix, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED]; VE3TCP; Secrets of the Weird [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
english text only?
hi, i'm new to this mailing-list and i'm wondering myself why i receive mails with strange characters in it. i guess it is japanese or stuff like that. nevertheless, how can i get rid of it? i think it makes sence two split the groups if a multilingual support is desired! otherwise i and surly a lot of other people receive a lot of dump mails! tia, leif -- Leif Hanack T-Systems GEI GmbH Advanced eBusiness Solutions (AeBS) Alt-Moabit 91a, 10559 Berlin Telefon: (+49 30) 394067-31 Telefax: (+49 30) 394067-99 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: www.t-systems.com ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
Re: english text only?
On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 07:15:12PM +0100, Leif Hanack wrote: i'm new to this mailing-list and i'm wondering myself why i receive mails with strange characters in it. i guess it is japanese or stuff like that. It's spam. The rest of us don't want it either! nevertheless, how can i get rid of it? I wish I knew... -- | | /\ |-_|/ Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont.[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | / Outlook not so good. That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next. - Anonymous ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
RE: english text only?
It seems to be a trend lately, I'm on a few lists that get spammed with this bullshit. I think the best bet would be to disallow mail from people who aren't subscribed to the list. ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Eric Siegerman Sent: March 19, 2002 10:38 AM To: cvsInfo Subject: Re: english text only? On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 07:15:12PM +0100, Leif Hanack wrote: i'm new to this mailing-list and i'm wondering myself why i receive mails with strange characters in it. i guess it is japanese or stuff like that. It's spam. The rest of us don't want it either! nevertheless, how can i get rid of it? I wish I knew... -- | | /\ |-_|/ Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont.[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | / Outlook not so good. That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next. - Anonymous ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
RE: english text only?
Agreed. We can't seem to get the list managers to take action, though. -Original Message- From: Ryan Speed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 12:51 PM To: 'cvsInfo' Subject: RE: english text only? It seems to be a trend lately, I'm on a few lists that get spammed with this bullshit. I think the best bet would be to disallow mail from people who aren't subscribed to the list. ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Eric Siegerman Sent: March 19, 2002 10:38 AM To: cvsInfo Subject: Re: english text only? On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 07:15:12PM +0100, Leif Hanack wrote: i'm new to this mailing-list and i'm wondering myself why i receive mails with strange characters in it. i guess it is japanese or stuff like that. It's spam. The rest of us don't want it either! nevertheless, how can i get rid of it? I wish I knew... -- | | /\ |-_|/ Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont.[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | / Outlook not so good. That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next. - Anonymous ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
Re: english text only?
Previous posts indicate that the list owner, gnu.org. does not believe in filtering. Not sure what their stand on open relays is, but they will not filter or block email. I don't like blocking entire domains either, so I came up with a solution that only blocks Asian language email. It uses the Subject: and Content-Type: headers to isolate the character set and blocks the most common Asian types. This is a postfix header_check file. You'll need to adapt it to your client or mailer as needed. # header checks to kill Asian language spam /^Subject:.*=\?big5\?/ REJECT /^Content-Type:.*charset=.*big5/REJECT /^Subject:.*=\?euc-kr\?/REJECT /^Content-Type:.*charset=.*euc-kr/ REJECT /^Subject:.*=\?gb2312\?/REJECT /^Content-Type:.*charset=.*gb2312/ REJECT /^Subject:.*=\?iso-.*-jp\?/ REJECT /^Content-Type:.*charset=.*iso-.*-jp/ REJECT /^Subject:.*=\?koi8\?/ REJECT /^Content-Type:.*charset=.*koi8-r/ REJECT /^Subject:.*=\?ks_c_5601-1987\?/REJECT /^Content-Type:.*charset=.*ks_c_5601-1987/ REJECT This is only a start, but its shown good sucess for getting rid of the gibberish without nuking anything you might want. ...Thanks, ...Kenneth Ryan Speed wrote: It seems to be a trend lately, I'm on a few lists that get spammed with this bullshit. I think the best bet would be to disallow mail from people who aren't subscribed to the list. ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Eric Siegerman Sent: March 19, 2002 10:38 AM To: cvsInfo Subject: Re: english text only? On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 07:15:12PM +0100, Leif Hanack wrote: i'm new to this mailing-list and i'm wondering myself why i receive mails with strange characters in it. i guess it is japanese or stuff like that. It's spam. The rest of us don't want it either! nevertheless, how can i get rid of it? I wish I knew... -- | | /\ |-_|/ Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont.[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | / Outlook not so good. That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next. - Anonymous ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
RE: english text only?
Guys, how do we control who is subscribed? Like I am subscriber I can start putting spam! Anyone can subscribe to our list, so disallowing from external sources will not work, as the spammer can become member and spam. They may flood the list before admin can take them out from the list. But yes! Spam is becoming a much bigger issue here and we need to do something for this. One bet is to disallow all the mails that are not in normal character set, but that will limit even the normal subscribers from japan/russia and other countries that have different character set. There gotta be a way to clear up this mess. Vishal Jain ILX Systems NY -Original Message- From: Daniels, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 1:59 PM To: 'Ryan Speed'; 'cvsInfo' Subject: RE: english text only? Agreed. We can't seem to get the list managers to take action, though. -Original Message- From: Ryan Speed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 12:51 PM To: 'cvsInfo' Subject: RE: english text only? It seems to be a trend lately, I'm on a few lists that get spammed with this bullshit. I think the best bet would be to disallow mail from people who aren't subscribed to the list. ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Eric Siegerman Sent: March 19, 2002 10:38 AM To: cvsInfo Subject: Re: english text only? On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 07:15:12PM +0100, Leif Hanack wrote: i'm new to this mailing-list and i'm wondering myself why i receive mails with strange characters in it. i guess it is japanese or stuff like that. It's spam. The rest of us don't want it either! nevertheless, how can i get rid of it? I wish I knew... -- | | /\ |-_|/ Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont.[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | / Outlook not so good. That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next. - Anonymous ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
RE: english text only?
I'm willing to take my chances, I don't know of any spammers that would take the time to join a mailing list in order to spam, blocking outside senders has completely stopped spam on another list that I am on, I'm pretty sure it'd be helpful here too. ryan -Original Message- From: Vishal Jain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: March 19, 2002 11:22 AM To: 'Daniels, David'; 'Ryan Speed'; 'cvsInfo' Subject: RE: english text only? Guys, how do we control who is subscribed? Like I am subscriber I can start putting spam! Anyone can subscribe to our list, so disallowing from external sources will not work, as the spammer can become member and spam. They may flood the list before admin can take them out from the list. But yes! Spam is becoming a much bigger issue here and we need to do something for this. One bet is to disallow all the mails that are not in normal character set, but that will limit even the normal subscribers from japan/russia and other countries that have different character set. There gotta be a way to clear up this mess. Vishal Jain ILX Systems NY -Original Message- From: Daniels, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 1:59 PM To: 'Ryan Speed'; 'cvsInfo' Subject: RE: english text only? Agreed. We can't seem to get the list managers to take action, though. -Original Message- From: Ryan Speed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 12:51 PM To: 'cvsInfo' Subject: RE: english text only? It seems to be a trend lately, I'm on a few lists that get spammed with this bullshit. I think the best bet would be to disallow mail from people who aren't subscribed to the list. ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Eric Siegerman Sent: March 19, 2002 10:38 AM To: cvsInfo Subject: Re: english text only? On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 07:15:12PM +0100, Leif Hanack wrote: i'm new to this mailing-list and i'm wondering myself why i receive mails with strange characters in it. i guess it is japanese or stuff like that. It's spam. The rest of us don't want it either! nevertheless, how can i get rid of it? I wish I knew... -- | | /\ |-_|/ Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont.[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | / Outlook not so good. That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next. - Anonymous ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
RE: english text only?
maybe the list managers ARE the spammers. vora -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ryan Speed Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 2:26 PM To: 'cvsInfo' Subject: RE: english text only? I'm willing to take my chances, I don't know of any spammers that would take the time to join a mailing list in order to spam, blocking outside senders has completely stopped spam on another list that I am on, I'm pretty sure it'd be helpful here too. ryan -Original Message- From: Vishal Jain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: March 19, 2002 11:22 AM To: 'Daniels, David'; 'Ryan Speed'; 'cvsInfo' Subject: RE: english text only? Guys, how do we control who is subscribed? Like I am subscriber I can start putting spam! Anyone can subscribe to our list, so disallowing from external sources will not work, as the spammer can become member and spam. They may flood the list before admin can take them out from the list. But yes! Spam is becoming a much bigger issue here and we need to do something for this. One bet is to disallow all the mails that are not in normal character set, but that will limit even the normal subscribers from japan/russia and other countries that have different character set. There gotta be a way to clear up this mess. Vishal Jain ILX Systems NY -Original Message- From: Daniels, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 1:59 PM To: 'Ryan Speed'; 'cvsInfo' Subject: RE: english text only? Agreed. We can't seem to get the list managers to take action, though. -Original Message- From: Ryan Speed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 12:51 PM To: 'cvsInfo' Subject: RE: english text only? It seems to be a trend lately, I'm on a few lists that get spammed with this bullshit. I think the best bet would be to disallow mail from people who aren't subscribed to the list. ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Eric Siegerman Sent: March 19, 2002 10:38 AM To: cvsInfo Subject: Re: english text only? On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 07:15:12PM +0100, Leif Hanack wrote: i'm new to this mailing-list and i'm wondering myself why i receive mails with strange characters in it. i guess it is japanese or stuff like that. It's spam. The rest of us don't want it either! nevertheless, how can i get rid of it? I wish I knew... -- | | /\ |-_|/ Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont.[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | / Outlook not so good. That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next. - Anonymous ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
Re: english text only?
List? What list? I'm reading this in the newsgroup gnu.cvs.help. ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
Re: english text only?
Daniels, David wrote: Agreed. We can't seem to get the list managers to take action, though. It would make the Usenet interface tough to handle, then... -tom! ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
RE:'Ryan Speed' english text only?
How bout finding another listserver that supports spam filtering? -Original Message- From: Vishal Jain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 11:22 AM To: 'Daniels, David'; 'Ryan Speed'; 'cvsInfo' Subject: RE: english text only? Guys, how do we control who is subscribed? Like I am subscriber I can start putting spam! Anyone can subscribe to our list, so disallowing from external sources will not work, as the spammer can become member and spam. They may flood the list before admin can take them out from the list. But yes! Spam is becoming a much bigger issue here and we need to do something for this. One bet is to disallow all the mails that are not in normal character set, but that will limit even the normal subscribers from japan/russia and other countries that have different character set. There gotta be a way to clear up this mess. Vishal Jain ILX Systems NY -Original Message- From: Daniels, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 1:59 PM To: 'Ryan Speed'; 'cvsInfo' Subject: RE: english text only? Agreed. We can't seem to get the list managers to take action, though. -Original Message- From: Ryan Speed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 12:51 PM To: 'cvsInfo' Subject: RE: english text only? It seems to be a trend lately, I'm on a few lists that get spammed with this bullshit. I think the best bet would be to disallow mail from people who aren't subscribed to the list. ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Eric Siegerman Sent: March 19, 2002 10:38 AM To: cvsInfo Subject: Re: english text only? On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 07:15:12PM +0100, Leif Hanack wrote: i'm new to this mailing-list and i'm wondering myself why i receive mails with strange characters in it. i guess it is japanese or stuff like that. It's spam. The rest of us don't want it either! nevertheless, how can i get rid of it? I wish I knew... -- | | /\ |-_|/ Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont.[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | / Outlook not so good. That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next. - Anonymous ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs ___ Info-cvs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-cvs
