Re: FWD: Confused about Deleted and Expunged
> I found some entries like: > [...] cyrus/imap[5918]: Expunged 1 messages from > test.tld!user.test.spam > What is the difference between the above entry and the below entry > (lower and capital > expunged)? > [...] cyrus/cyr_expire[14039]: Expired 0 and expunged 0 out of 144674 > messages from 818 > mailboxes > The "Expunged" message should come from some imap-client (don't know > which)? Yes, an IMAP client issued an EXPUNGE. > The "expunged" are from the command line execution of > "/usr/sbin/cyrus expire [...]". This looks for Expunged messages to Expire. It is a three phased delete; which is beautiful. Message Deleted (becomes candidate for expunge) -> Message Expunged (becomes candidate for expiration) -> Message Expired The first two steps are performed by the client/user. The final step is performed by the administrator, expressed via the server's policy as defined in cyrus.conf. Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/ To Unsubscribe: https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/info-cyrus
FWD: Confused about Deleted and Expunged
Hi Patrick, > Anything in the logs showing email being expunged? Look for Expunged > with the capitol E. I found some entries like: [...] cyrus/imap[5918]: Expunged 1 messages from test.tld!user.test.spam What is the difference between the above entry and the below entry (lower and capital expunged)? [...] cyrus/cyr_expire[14039]: Expired 0 and expunged 0 out of 144674 messages from 818 mailboxes The "Expunged" message should come from some imap-client (don't know which)? The "expunged" are from the command line execution of "/usr/sbin/cyrus expire [...]". regards Horst -- Horst Häberlen Kirchenstr. 16 74639 Zweiflingen Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/ To Unsubscribe: https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/info-cyrus
Confused about Deleted and Expunged
Hi M.Menge , > I suspect a confusion about "marked as Deleted", Expunged and Expired > > See > https://www.cyrusimap.org/imap/reference/faqs/o-deleted-expired-expunged-purged.html > of more information. > > E-Mails "marked as Deleted" need to be Expunged by the imap > EXPUNGE or UID EXPUNGE command. > > The cyr_expire cmd is for removing Expunged mails from the index and disk > if "expunge_mode: delayed" is used, which is the default since 2.5 > > You may want to take a look at the "/vendor/cmu/cyrus-imapd/expire" > mailbox annotation My command "/usr/lib/cyrus/bin/ipurge -f -X -d 100 user/test/s...@testdomain.tld" gives me: Working on user/test/s...@testdomain.tld... Total messages 9214 Total bytes 191140555 Deleted messages 1 Deleted bytes2250912 Remaining messages 9213 Remaining bytes 19643 So i see it markin as /Deleted works. Access by imap client gives the number 9213. But in the filesystem there are many more files in the spam folder: 9213 which can be 'seen' and many more which are marked as /Deleted. The command "/usr/sbin/cyrus expire -E 4 -D 28 -X 28" should Expunge (which is, what i suppose, removing from filesystem) the /Deleted marked files. Am i wrong? regards Horst -- Horst Häberlen Kirchenstr. 16 74639 Zweiflingen Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/ To Unsubscribe: https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/info-cyrus
Re: FWD: Confused about Deleted and Expunged
Anything in the logs showing email being expunged? Look for Expunged with the capitol E. On 1/17/20 10:41 AM, Horst Häberlen wrote: hi Adam Tauno Williams, What happens if you su to the cyrus user and try to run the command you see in cyrus.conf ? This makes no difference. I tried both commands as root and as cyrus. The Log entries were identical: [...] cyrus/cyr_expire[10175]: Expired 0 and expunged 0 out of 144646 messages from 818 mailboxes [...] cyrus/cyr_expire[10175]: Removed 0 deleted mailboxes [...] cyrus/cyr_expire[10175]: duplicate_prune: pruning back 4.00 days [...] cyrus/cyr_expire[10175]: duplicate_prune: purged 0 out of 4171 entries regards Horst <> Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/ To Unsubscribe: https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/info-cyrus
Confused about Deleted and Expunged
> Looks to run cyr_expire as /usr/sbin/cyrus is a script. > > https://www.apt-browse.org/browse/ubuntu/trusty/universe/all/cyrus-common/2.4.17+caldav~beta9-3/file/usr/sbin/cyrus Thanks for the clarification! -- Horst Häberlen Kirchenstr. 16 74639 Zweiflingen Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/ To Unsubscribe: https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/info-cyrus
FWD: Confused about Deleted and Expunged
hi Adam Tauno Williams, > What happens if you su to the cyrus user and try to run the command you > see in cyrus.conf ? This makes no difference. I tried both commands as root and as cyrus. The Log entries were identical: [...] cyrus/cyr_expire[10175]: Expired 0 and expunged 0 out of 144646 messages from 818 mailboxes [...] cyrus/cyr_expire[10175]: Removed 0 deleted mailboxes [...] cyrus/cyr_expire[10175]: duplicate_prune: pruning back 4.00 days [...] cyrus/cyr_expire[10175]: duplicate_prune: purged 0 out of 4171 entries regards Horst -- Horst Häberlen Kirchenstr. 16 74639 Zweiflingen Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/ To Unsubscribe: https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/info-cyrus
Re: Confused about Deleted and Expunged
Hi I suspect a confusion about "marked as Deleted", Expunged and Expired See https://www.cyrusimap.org/imap/reference/faqs/o-deleted-expired-expunged-purged.html of more information. E-Mails "marked as Deleted" need to be Expunged by the imap EXPUNGE or UID EXPUNGE command. The cyr_expire cmd is for removing Expunged mails from the index and disk if "expunge_mode: delayed" is used, which is the default since 2.5 You may want to take a look at the "/vendor/cmu/cyrus-imapd/expire" mailbox annotation Quoting Adam Tauno Williams : This command seems to work on Ubuntu 18.04. (cyrus-imapd 2.5.10- 3ubuntu1) In /usr/sbin there is no cyr_expire but now i found a /usr/lib/cyrus/bin/cyr_expire The result is the same, no files were deleted, the log file entry is the same as when i use the "/usr/sbin/cyrus expire [..]" command Can anybody confirm this "/usr/sbin/cyrus expire [..]" command on Ubuntu? What happens if you su to the cyrus user and try to run the command you see in cyrus.conf ? -- Adam Tauno Williams, awill...@whitemice.org Multi-Modal Activists Against Auto Dependent Development resisting the unAmerican socialists of the Motorist hegemony http://www.mmaaadd.org Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/ To Unsubscribe: https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/info-cyrus M.MengeTel.: (49) 7071/29-70316 Universität Tübingen Fax.: (49) 7071/29-5912 Zentrum für Datenverarbeitung mail: michael.me...@zdv.uni-tuebingen.de Wächterstraße 76 72074 Tübingen Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/ To Unsubscribe: https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/info-cyrus
Re: FWD: Confused about Deleted and Expunged
> This command seems to work on Ubuntu 18.04. (cyrus-imapd 2.5.10- > 3ubuntu1) > In /usr/sbin there is no cyr_expire but now i found a > /usr/lib/cyrus/bin/cyr_expire > The result is the same, no files were deleted, the log file entry is > the same as when i > use the "/usr/sbin/cyrus expire [..]" command > Can anybody confirm this "/usr/sbin/cyrus expire [..]" command on > Ubuntu? What happens if you su to the cyrus user and try to run the command you see in cyrus.conf ? -- Adam Tauno Williams, awill...@whitemice.org Multi-Modal Activists Against Auto Dependent Development resisting the unAmerican socialists of the Motorist hegemony http://www.mmaaadd.org Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/ To Unsubscribe: https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/info-cyrus
FWD: Confused about Deleted and Expunged
Hi Nikos, > does it really say "/usr/sbin/cyrus expire" in your cyrus.conf? That > can't work. The command is named cyr_expire on my system, and it > definitely does not have a space in its name. YES there is no space in the name, it seems to be a parameter for cyrus. This command seems to work on Ubuntu 18.04. (cyrus-imapd 2.5.10-3ubuntu1) In /usr/sbin there is no cyr_expire but now i found a /usr/lib/cyrus/bin/cyr_expire The result is the same, no files were deleted, the log file entry is the same as when i use the "/usr/sbin/cyrus expire [..]" command Can anybody confirm this "/usr/sbin/cyrus expire [..]" command on Ubuntu? Regards Horst -- Horst Häberlen Kirchenstr. 16 74639 Zweiflingen Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/ To Unsubscribe: https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/info-cyrus
Re: Confused about Deleted and Expunged
Looks to run cyr_expire as /usr/sbin/cyrus is a script. https://www.apt-browse.org/browse/ubuntu/trusty/universe/all/cyrus-common/2.4.17+caldav~beta9-3/file/usr/sbin/cyrus On 1/17/20 8:11 AM, Nikos Gatsis - Qbit wrote: delprune cmd="cyr_expire -E 3" at=0400 Οn centos 7: Version: 2.4.17 Release: 15.el7 On 17/1/2020 12:11 μ.μ., Horst Häberlen wrote: Hi Sebastian Hagedorn , i have no idea how follow-up works in this list, i hope this mail goes to the right place. does it really say "/usr/sbin/cyrus expire" in your cyrus.conf? That can't work. The command is named cyr_expire on my system, and it definitely does not have a space in its name. Yes, the command is correct. On Ubuntu 18.04 there is no cyr_expire and the entry "/usr/sbin/cyrus expire" is in cyrus.conf by default. In the log files the results are printed ".. localhost cyrus/cyr_expire[14320]: Expired 0 and expunged 0 out of 143844 messages from 818 mailboxes" regards Horst -- Untitled Document *Γατσής Νίκος - Gatsis Nikos* Web developer tel.: 210.8256721 - 210.8256712 email: ngat...@qbit.gr http://www.qbit.gr Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/ To Unsubscribe: https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/info-cyrus <> Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/ To Unsubscribe: https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/info-cyrus
Re: Confused about Deleted and Expunged
Title: Untitled Document delprune cmd="cyr_expire -E 3" at=0400 Οn centos 7: Version: 2.4.17 Release: 15.el7 On 17/1/2020 12:11 μ.μ., Horst Häberlen wrote: Hi Sebastian Hagedorn , i have no idea how follow-up works in this list, i hope this mail goes to the right place. does it really say "/usr/sbin/cyrus expire" in your cyrus.conf? That can't work. The command is named cyr_expire on my system, and it definitely does not have a space in its name. Yes, the command is correct. On Ubuntu 18.04 there is no cyr_expire and the entry "/usr/sbin/cyrus expire" is in cyrus.conf by default. In the log files the results are printed ".. localhost cyrus/cyr_expire[14320]: Expired 0 and expunged 0 out of 143844 messages from 818 mailboxes" regards Horst -- Γατσής Νίκος - Gatsis Nikos Web developer tel.: 210.8256721 - 210.8256712 email: ngat...@qbit.gr http://www.qbit.gr Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/ To Unsubscribe: https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/info-cyrus
Confused about Deleted and Expunged
Hi Sebastian Hagedorn , i have no idea how follow-up works in this list, i hope this mail goes to the right place. > does it really say "/usr/sbin/cyrus expire" in your cyrus.conf? That > can't work. The command is named cyr_expire on my system, and it > definitely does not have a space in its name. Yes, the command is correct. On Ubuntu 18.04 there is no cyr_expire and the entry "/usr/sbin/cyrus expire" is in cyrus.conf by default. In the log files the results are printed ".. localhost cyrus/cyr_expire[14320]: Expired 0 and expunged 0 out of 143844 messages from 818 mailboxes" regards Horst -- Horst Häberlen Kirchenstr. 16 74639 Zweiflingen Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/ To Unsubscribe: https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/info-cyrus
Re: Confused about Deleted and Expunged
Hi,
Am 17.01.20 um 09:52 Uhr schrieb Horst Häberlen:
> my Mail Server stores spam mail via spamassassin in users
> (user/t...@testdomain.tld) spam
> mailboxes (user/test/s...@testdomain.tld)
>
> For removing too old spam mails, i do use a script on all mailboxes which
> marks the spam
> mailboxes as deleted:
> /usr/lib/cyrus/bin/ipurge -f -X -d 100 user/test/s...@testdomain.tld
>
> This works perfect, the user can see spam mails for 100 days.
>
> I assumed the following cyrus.conf event does Expunge the deleted mails from
> hdd:
> [...]
>
> EVENTS {
>expungeprune cmd="/usr/sbin/cyrus expire -E 4 -D 28 -X 28" at=0445
>
> [...]
>
> But this does not work.
>
> How can i 'really' delete from hdd??
does it really say "/usr/sbin/cyrus expire" in your cyrus.conf? That
can't work. The command is named cyr_expire on my system, and it
definitely does not have a space in its name.
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Confused about Deleted and Expunged
Hi,
my Mail Server stores spam mail via spamassassin in users
(user/t...@testdomain.tld) spam
mailboxes (user/test/s...@testdomain.tld)
For removing too old spam mails, i do use a script on all mailboxes which marks
the spam
mailboxes as deleted:
/usr/lib/cyrus/bin/ipurge -f -X -d 100 user/test/s...@testdomain.tld
This works perfect, the user can see spam mails for 100 days.
I assumed the following cyrus.conf event does Expunge the deleted mails from
hdd:
[...]
EVENTS {
expungeprune cmd="/usr/sbin/cyrus expire -E 4 -D 28 -X 28" at=0445
[...]
But this does not work.
How can i 'really' delete from hdd??
thanks for your help
Horst
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