Re: Filtering cross posts
Richmond writes: > Is it possible to filter out all cross posts? i.e. only see articles > posted to the subscribed group? Yes, you can use scoring for this, there are some examples in the manual under "7.10 Scoring Tips": · https://www.gnus.org/manual/gnus_100.html#Scoring-Tips Best regards, Adam -- "Emperors of the world hiding underground Adam Sjøgren Waiting for the sky to rain on down with gold" a...@koldfront.dk
Re: line brake for attachments
Dieter writes: > <\#part ...> > <\#/part>" > > for me it would be (much) nicer if this attachment needs only one line > like this: > > <\#part ...><\#/part>" > > Is it possible to have a (customizable) variable for this behaviour? Not out of the box, it seems to be "hardcoded" in the last line of mml-insert-tag: (defun mml-insert-tag (name plist) "Insert an MML tag described by NAME and PLIST." (when (symbolp name) (setq name (symbol-name name))) (insert "<#" name) (while plist (let ((key (pop plist)) (value (pop plist))) (when value ;; Quote VALUE if it contains suspicious characters. (when (string-match "[][\"'\\~/*;()<>= \t\n[:multibyte:]]" value) (setq value (with-output-to-string (let (print-escape-nonascii) (prin1 value) (insert (format " %s=%s" key value) (insert ">\n")) which is called by mml-insert-empty-tag, which is in turn called by mml-attach-file - called by you, I assume. You could either wrap mml-attach-file in a little code that removes the linefeed you do not like, and then call that, or (perhaps more risky) add an advice to mml-insert-tag. Or simply override it with your own version :-) Best regards, Adam -- "Jo, tak som falbyder, det ville da være Adam Sjøgren prisværdigt."a...@koldfront.dk
Re: Have message-ID set by my email server rather than by Message
One advantage of your email program setting the Message-ID is that the unique identifier of the email is then known by your email program. Best regards, Adam -- "It was called Tinderbox so we could make the joke, Adam Sjøgren 'the tree is on fire'. Puns are very important ina...@koldfront.dk naming tools."
Re: Does Gnus read and sync the read with IMAP?
Michael writes: > AFAIU Gnus stores such stuff in a file named ".newsrc.eld" (AFAIR > ".newsrc.el" in older Emacs versions). Looks like the 'd' has been there at least since 1997; gnus-start.el: eec82323c2e3 (Lars Ingebrigtsen 1997-04-16 2768) (setq buffer-file-name eec82323c2e3 (Lars Ingebrigtsen 1997-04-16 2769)(concat gnus-current-startup-file ".eld")) and before that; gnus.el: aa088210dd (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1997-03-04 01:26:40 + 9645) (write-region 1 (point-max) aa088210dd (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1997-03-04 01:26:40 + 9646) (concat gnus-current-startup-file ".eld") aa088210dd (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1997-03-04 01:26:40 + 9647) nil 'nomesg)) which is as far back the git repository I had lying around seems to go: commit aa088210dd9c90f00466b59c58f60f14b4544e69 (HEAD, tag: v0-5) Author: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Date: Tue Mar 4 01:26:40 1997 + Initial revision :-), Adam -- "Do you think the people who make these decisions Adam Sjøgren about what features a project will have are the a...@koldfront.dk *engineers*? Because that's adorable."
Re: Changing servers with same DNS IP Address value
Pankaj writes: > (nntp "gmane" > (nntp-address "news.gmane.io")) > > Additionally, I've made updates to the ~/.newsrc.eld file, replacing > "news.gwene.org" with "gmane". Everything seems to be running smoothly > so far, and I've made sure to keep a backup, just in case. Great! Yeah, a backup is never a bad idea :-) Best regards, Adam -- "I'm sure there are people out there who has Adam Sjøgren reiserfs working on their machines, and has nevera...@koldfront.dk seen any problems. You can find similar opinions on Windows 95."
Re: Changing servers with same DNS IP Address value
Pankaj writes: > '(gnus-secondary-select-methods >'( > (nntp "news.gwene.org") ; Gmane > (nnml ""); /var/spool/mail > > If I update the server to "news.gmane.io", will I need to modify all the > entries in the "~/.newsrc.eld" file? You can set the nntp-address, avoiding it defaulting to your configuration's server name. Eg I have: (nntp "gm" (nntp-address "news.gmane.io")) (nntp "fb" (nntp-address "feedbase.org")) So you can go: (nntp "news.gwene.org" (nntp-address "news.gmane.io")) and keep your entries the same, while connecting to news.gmane.io instead. Best regards, Adam -- "Not The Same" Adam Sjøgren a...@koldfront.dk
Re: Correct ordering of items in mail threads
Pankaj writes: > Adam Sjøgren writes: >> Pankaj writes: >>> In the above snapshot, items are still ordered incorrectly. >> Just to make sure: you are expecting the article in the last row to be >> shown in the 4th row? > No. I want the indentation to be proper. It cannot be child of a later > message. This illustrates nicely that only stating that something is incorrect, without saying what you expect, is insufficient :-) > As we can see this is not possible. I cannot see this without examining the headers, maybe you can :-) Best regards, Adam (I wanted to point you at Eric S Fraga's suggestion when I stumbled over the "adopted"-thing, but I could find it at the time - luckily he has suggested looking at gnus-sort-gathered-threads-function again - setting that does what you want, right?!) -- "Oh, great altar of passive entertainment... bestowAdam Sjøgren upon me thy discordant images at such speed as toa...@koldfront.dk render linear thought impossible!"
Re: Correct ordering of items in mail threads
Pankaj writes:
> E 20-10-23 23:18 PM [ 107: Victor Giordano ] => Re: [go-nuts] Re: About
> allowing conversion from bool to int
> O 21-10-23 02:44 AM [ 123: Victor Giordano ] +->
> O 21-10-23 03:17 AM [ 142: Volker Dobler ] +->
> O 21-10-23 06:01 AM [ 21: Ian Lance Taylor] +->
> O 21-10-23 08:44 AM [ 57: Victor Giordano ] +->
> E 21-10-23 18:27 PM [ 69: Victor Giordano ] +->
> O 21-10-23 03:44 AM { 179: Victor Giordano } +-> Fwd: [go-nuts]
> Re: About allowing conversion from bool to int
>
> In the above snapshot, items are still ordered incorrectly.
Just to make sure: you are expecting the article in the last row to be
shown in the 4th row?
I would expect the reason that the last line is put last is because
the References: header includes the Message-ID of the second to last
article.
Is that not the case?
But wait, the curly braces means "adopted". What does that mean?
· https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/gnus/Loose-Threads.html
What happens if you change the value of gnus-summary-make-false-root?
Perhaps to nil?
Best regards,
Adam
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Re: Correct ordering of items in mail threads
Eric writes: > I meant the articles don't always arrive at Gnus in the order they > were originally authored. Got it :-) I have configured Gnus to sort a bunch of groups by date instead of by number, and I can't feel the difference (in speed) -- this on a 4 year old laptop. Maybe I'm just growing slower ;-) Best regards, Adam -- "What do you do for a living, man?" Adam Sjøgren "Oh, I confound expectations."a...@koldfront.dk
Re: Correct ordering of items in mail threads
Eric writes: > sorting by number _usually_ means sorting by arrival time, but > there's no contract there. When do the numbers given to articles in Gnus not reflect _arrival_ time? Best regards, Adam -- "Some kind of night into your darkness Adam Sjøgren Colors your eyes with what's not there" a...@koldfront.dk
Re: Correct ordering of items in mail threads
Pankaj writes: > In fact, I wanted to use 'gnus-thread-sort-by-date for > gnus-thread-sort-functions. But the docstring discouraged me. > > Also note that sorting by date is often much slower than sorting by > number, and the sorting order is very similar. These warnings are less and less relevant with the speed of personal computers these days, I think. If you give it a go, let us know if you can feel any difference! Best regards, Aam -- "It's either spectacular, unbelievable success, or Adam Sjøgren crushing, hopeless defeat! There is no middlea...@koldfront.dk ground!"
Re: Does Gnus read and sync the read with IMAP?
Bob writes: > At what point does gnus update the IMAP server? In other words, I > read an article. In the summary buffer that article definitely is > now shown as read. Gnus updates the IMAP server when you exit the summary buffer (q). To find out exactly what happens when, you can set nnimap-record-commands in your nnimap server configuration, then the commands will be logged in a buffer called "*imap log*". Best regards, Adam -- "None of them kicks go boom Adam Sjøgren None of them basslines fill the room"a...@koldfront.dk
Re: Getting Keywords: from parent article in message-setup-hook when following up
Eric writes: > When you think about it, updating a global variable is all the Gnus code > is doing! But better to rely on someone else's ugly hack, I suppose... Haha, yes, and if you take a couple of more steps back, all computing is manipulation of global memory ;-) But I think not having one hook storing the information and another one using it will be a little less ugly, so thanks for the hint - the naming of these variables is often not obvious to me. Best regards, Adam -- " - the devils neighbour" Adam Sjøgren a...@koldfront.dk
Re: Getting Keywords: from parent article in message-setup-hook when following up
Eric writes: > I think the "big" solution is to visit `message-reply-buffer', if that's > a live buffer, and parse its contents. That sounds better than the ugly hack I have now, where I update a global variable from gnus-article-prepare-hook and use it in message-setup-hook - eeek. Thanks! Adam -- 'As usual, Bob Dylan said it best when he wrote in Adam Sjøgren 1965, "He not busy being born, is busy dying."' a...@koldfront.dk
Getting Keywords: from parent article in message-setup-hook when following up
How do I get hold of the parent articles' Keywords: in message-setup-hook when I do a follow up? I can get eg From: by lookin in message-reply-headers - but Keywords: are not in there. Is there a trick I can use? Best regards, Adam -- "The laws of perspective have been repealed! Adam Sjøgren Objects no longer diminish in size with distance!" a...@koldfront.dk
Re: Showing a full thread
hus...@alshehhi.io writes: [A T] > Thank you very much for saving me again. This is exactly what I > needed. Happy to help! Sometimes finding the right function is the hardest part. Best regards, Adam -- "Few things are less comforting than a tiger who's Adam Sjøgren up too late."a...@koldfront.dk
Re: Showing a full thread
hus...@alshehhi.io writes: > I would live to view the full tree of the thread: the root and all > the messages that were span off it. Have you tried A T? ,[ C-h f gnus-summary-refer-thread RET ] | gnus-summary-refer-thread is an interactive native-compiled Lisp | function in ‘gnus-sum.el’. | | (gnus-summary-refer-thread LIMIT) | | Inferred type: (function ( t) t) | | Fetch all articles in the current thread. | A non-numeric prefix arg will search the entire server; without a | prefix arg only the current group is searched. If the variable | ‘gnus-refer-thread-use-search’ is t the prefix arg has the | reverse meaning. If searching is not enabled for the current | group, fetch LIMIT (the numerical prefix) old headers. If LIMIT | is non-numeric or nil fetch the number specified by the | ‘gnus-refer-thread-limit’ variable. | ` Best regards, Adam -- "I'll dye without my hair!" Adam Sjøgren a...@koldfront.dk
Re: Marking thread as read
Alshehhi writes: > I am new to gnus. I am trying to mark a thread as read. However, it is > still unclear to me how to do that. There is the command > gnus-summary-kill-thread: I recently had the same need, and solved it by making my own function based on gnus-summary-kill-thread: (defun asjo-gnus-summary-mark-thread-read () "Mark articles under current thread as read." (interactive "" gnus-summary-mode) (let ((articles (gnus-summary-articles-in-thread))) (save-excursion ;; Expand the thread. (gnus-summary-show-thread) ;; Mark all the articles. (while articles (gnus-summary-goto-subject (car articles)) (gnus-summary-mark-article-as-read gnus-read-mark) (setq articles (cdr articles) ;; Go to next unread subject. (gnus-summary-next-subject 1 t) (gnus-set-mode-line 'summary)) (define-key gnus-summary-mode-map [(T) (r)] 'asjo-gnus-summary-mark-thread-read) More context: https://koldfront.dk/quickly_marking_a_thread_read_1839 Best regards, Adam -- "In the past we would do little things for love, Adam Sjøgren but but things, big things required money. Now wea...@koldfront.dk can do big things for love."
Re: Face: not showing?
Eric writes: > I would love a gnus interface to ActivityPub, mastodon in particular > at the moment, giving me adaptive scoring and threading although I > imagine the latter may be challenging if not impossible. It's actually not that bad - ActivityPub objects have an "inReplyTo" key which points to the parent, and that's sufficient for Gnus to do the threading as expected. So far I am just shoving the "inReplyTo" into References: which means that Gnus only knows about the immediate parent. To get the other replies in the same thread, more work is needed, fetching URLs specified in the "replies" Collection of the object. Everything can be seen through the glasses of NNTP if you squint a little ;-) Best regards, Adam -- "[...] but beyond that the Fry household had asAdam Sjøgren much interest or understanding of sport as a potato a...@koldfront.dk has of Riemann's zeta function."
Re: How to turn off auto-fill-mode from Topic Parameters?
yeti writes: > disabling the fill mode maybe can done like > > | (posting-style > | (eval ...change-the-fill-mode-here... > | ) > | ) > > Shouldn't that apply to the whole group then? You're right, adding this to the Topic Parameters: (posting-style (eval (auto-fill-mode -1))) works. Thanks for the tip! Best regards, Adam -- "Mmm, what you say? Adam Sjøgren Mm, that you only meant well? Well, of course youa...@koldfront.dk did."
Re: How to turn off auto-fill-mode from Topic Parameters?
yeti writes: > Adam Sjøgren writes: > >> I would like to have auto-fill-mode turned off for all groups in a >> specific topic in Gnus. > > Doesn't that sound like a job for gnus-posting-styles? Sounds intriguing - do you have an example of how? Best regards, Adam -- "Our voodoo-dolls are full of hopes" Adam Sjøgren a...@koldfront.dk
Re: How to turn off auto-fill-mode from Topic Parameters?
Adam writes: > Is The Right Way™ to add a function to a hook instead? > > I just really like configuring behavior using the Topic/Group > Parameters... I have solved it like this now: (add-hook 'message-mode-hook (lambda () (let ((group (or gnus-newsgroup-name ""))) (when (string-match-p "illuminant:fediverse" group) (auto-fill-mode -1) inspired by "3.7 Various Message Variables" in the manual, https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/message/Various-Message-Variables.html But I'd still prefer to use Topic Parameters. Best regards, Adam -- "But I wake up quick Adam Sjøgren And I wake up sick" a...@koldfront.dk
Re: Face: not showing?
Alberto Luaces writes: > Adam Sjøgren writes: > >> Eric writes: >> >>> A data point: your face appears for me when reading your posts. I'm on >>> Emacs from git updated three days ago now. >> >> Thanks! What is the value of gnus-treat-fold-headers in your setup? > > I'm also seeing your face as always, gnus-treat-fold-headers is nil and > emacs is 28.2. Thanks! The bug was introduced in Emacs 29, I think, so that would explain why you don't have missing images. Best regards, Adam -- "Stand in front of you Adam Sjøgren Take the force of the blow a...@koldfront.dk Protection"
Re: Face: not showing?
Eric writes: > On Tuesday, 4 Apr 2023 at 15:43, Adam Sjøgren wrote: >> because I am implementing an ActivityPub server with an nntp-interface >> and wanted to see user icons) :-) > Oh, that sounds interesting! Are you intending on making it public? Yes, when it's a little more functional - it's doesn't do much yet, but it's kind of fun trying to make it work. Best regards, Adam -- "nu skall vi dansa efter min pipa Adam Sjøgren nu skall vi dansa efter min pipa"a...@koldfront.dk
Re: Face: not showing?
Eric writes: > It's not as if many people use the face capability so I guess it's not > tested very thoroughly? Yup - I mean, it took me two years to notice they were gone (and only because I am implementing an ActivityPub server with an nntp-interface and wanted to see user icons) :-) > My own emails show a face but I think that comes from gravatar (setq > gnus-treat-from-gravatar 'head) as I have not defined the face header > details. Out of curiosity, does my (colourful and young ;-)) face > appear if you set that? I only see your gravatar when I set gnus-treat-fold-headers to nil, otherwise your young colors are missing ;-) Best regards, Adam -- "Pick-up trucks are ridiculous clown cars and 99% Adam Sjøgren of the people who buy them will never have a a...@koldfront.dk practical need to own one."
Re: Face: not showing?
Eric writes: > A data point: your face appears for me when reading your posts. I'm on > Emacs from git updated three days ago now. Thanks! What is the value of gnus-treat-fold-headers in your setup? Best regards, Adam -- "Hvad med kulturen og Information? Kan vi Adam Sjøgren håbe på mere omtale af dansktoppen?" a...@koldfront.dk
Re: Face: not showing?
The bisect of "Face: header present, but image not showing" gives: 3bc0768e9b82feaf5ce1665227055e97e72af164 is the first bad commit commit 3bc0768e9b82feaf5ce1665227055e97e72af164 Author: Lars Ingebrigtsen Date: Wed Dec 1 14:10:19 2021 +0100 Enable gnus-treat-fold-headers by default * lisp/gnus/gnus-art.el (gnus-treat-fold-headers): Change default to `head'. etc/NEWS | 3 +++ lisp/gnus/gnus-art.el | 4 ++-- 2 files changed, 5 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) Here is the bisect log: adsj@tullinup:~/emacs$ git bisect log git bisect start # status: waiting for both good and bad commits # bad: [1f100def91292dae6f8a97bae2bcd1f3a4cb101e] Revert "Generalise a LAP optimisation rule" git bisect bad 1f100def91292dae6f8a97bae2bcd1f3a4cb101e # status: waiting for good commit(s), bad commit known # bad: [842ea1e22f2251e62a23c3fafdd7d1571f730d7d] Fix Gnus registry key bindings git bisect bad 842ea1e22f2251e62a23c3fafdd7d1571f730d7d # status: waiting for good commit(s), bad commit known # bad: [2a3edd1e0acf00587a5243db87bf80e8383a61d8] Document textsec git bisect bad 2a3edd1e0acf00587a5243db87bf80e8383a61d8 # status: waiting for good commit(s), bad commit known # good: [ddabb03a0176beb4b7fc8d4f2267d459fd2ebded] * doc/misc/idlwave.texi (Troubleshooting): Don't say "Emacsen". git bisect good ddabb03a0176beb4b7fc8d4f2267d459fd2ebded # good: [f393d0d441c3746f98007ae54341870a296bf809] Fix regression leading to flickering tooltips when the mouse is moved git bisect good f393d0d441c3746f98007ae54341870a296bf809 # good: [f393d0d441c3746f98007ae54341870a296bf809] Fix regression leading to flickering tooltips when the mouse is moved git bisect good f393d0d441c3746f98007ae54341870a296bf809 # skip: [32a8b3bc22bfc0aeca9943699e7a43b68915122b] Fix regression introduced by the previous date-to-time change git bisect skip 32a8b3bc22bfc0aeca9943699e7a43b68915122b # bad: [c9186b1b0bfb7662a2765aac5dd1afd4309fdfec] Use gnus-message instead of plain message in gnus-search git bisect bad c9186b1b0bfb7662a2765aac5dd1afd4309fdfec # good: [3886c95d7ef20e40b5d3625d4650b89612f7efdd] Make emoji-describe really describe only the glyph under point git bisect good 3886c95d7ef20e40b5d3625d4650b89612f7efdd # good: [487ec3cf2a34496866153474507ab741d8dfea63] Add support for event processing via XInput 2 git bisect good 487ec3cf2a34496866153474507ab741d8dfea63 # good: [d329014574575b3f98ac68e22bdcb1ab4ddd5419] Make `pixel-scroll-precision-scroll-up' use existing logic git bisect good d329014574575b3f98ac68e22bdcb1ab4ddd5419 # good: [6adf37b4a5a954ac981c2f89ea2c343658f532c2] Update SKK-JISYO.L from upstream git bisect good 6adf37b4a5a954ac981c2f89ea2c343658f532c2 # bad: [aa6a05c146e94c0afc35b5354d68da55aecb2db7] Fix display of free disk space in Dired git bisect bad aa6a05c146e94c0afc35b5354d68da55aecb2db7 # bad: [c35c86a353c7dd6d4130913c532aba026a5a6562] * lisp/emacs-lisp/cl-macs.el (cl-defstruct): Decl struct predicates as pure git bisect bad c35c86a353c7dd6d4130913c532aba026a5a6562 # bad: [6348ca1a888974e7ed8d43e5d78961c81d80b140] Make pixel-fill-region handle space regions better git bisect bad 6348ca1a888974e7ed8d43e5d78961c81d80b140 # good: [9d17e346fe15d7afff8a2e520522586c51225a4c] Preserve newlines at the end of pixel-fill-region git bisect good 9d17e346fe15d7afff8a2e520522586c51225a4c # bad: [2ee6621fe9ff67cd5ac4ac4e6b6f6d0c4cb6f047] Fix precision pixel scrolling for a recent change git bisect bad 2ee6621fe9ff67cd5ac4ac4e6b6f6d0c4cb6f047 # good: [2d60566c8787b63b5e4e2958e9ec9f55fbcf9e87] Use proportional fonts in the Gnus headers by default git bisect good 2d60566c8787b63b5e4e2958e9ec9f55fbcf9e87 # bad: [3bc0768e9b82feaf5ce1665227055e97e72af164] Enable gnus-treat-fold-headers by default git bisect bad 3bc0768e9b82feaf5ce1665227055e97e72af164 # first bad commit: [3bc0768e9b82feaf5ce1665227055e97e72af164] Enable gnus-treat-fold-headers by default Best regards, Adam -- "Good evening. Today is Good Friday. There is no Adam Sjøgren news." a...@koldfront.dk
Re: Face: not showing?
Ok, I've now tested it with a minimal configuration. Face: displays in Emacs 28.02 with the minimal config, but not with 30.0.5 (master). So it's not just me, phew. On to bisecting. Best regards, Adam -- "Man ser gubbar" Adam Sjøgren a...@koldfront.dk
Re: Face: not showing?
Adam writes: > Maybe I have misconfigured something, but when I read an article that > has a Face: header, the picture isn't shown. The same goes for X-Face: h. -- "I think there are enough frivolous lawsuits in Adam Sjøgren this country without people fighting over popa...@koldfront.dk songs."
Face: not showing?
Hi, Maybe I have misconfigured something, but when I read an article that has a Face: header, the picture isn't shown. If I run M-x gnus-article-display-face _twice_ it pops up, however. That makes me think it might be a bug - if I had just accidentally turned off Face: display, I would have expected the image to appear after _one_ invocation. ,[ C-h v gnus-treat-display-face RET ] | gnus-treat-display-face is a variable defined in ‘gnus-art.el’. | | Its value is ‘head’ | | Display Face headers. | Valid values are nil, t, ‘head’, ‘first’, ‘last’, an integer or a | predicate. See Info node ‘(gnus)Customizing Articles’ and Info | node ‘(gnus)Face’ for details. | ` Anyone else see this problem? Best regards, Adam -- "Obviously my body doesn't believe Adam Sjøgren a word my brain is saying." a...@koldfront.dk
Re: Server listed twice in gnus-group-enter-server-mode
Richmond writes: > Richmond writes: > >> I have ended up with the same server listed twice in [...] >> I must delete it from the configuration file, but there is only one in >> .gnus, where is the other? > > It must be in .newsrc-dribble. I would guess ~/.newsrc.eld - which can be quite fiddly to edit, remember to stop Gnus and take a backup copy before changing anything! Best regards, Adam -- "Jeg har læst alt hvad google kan finde." Adam Sjøgren a...@koldfront.dk
Re: Removing the first nntp server from the list
Sergey writes: > I wonder why simple 'nil is not accepted as well: it's extremely > confusing. nnnil is the "do nothing" backend, the name is similar to eg nnimap, nnspool, and nnmbox. The historical split between the primary select method and the secondary methods is more confusing to me :-) Best regards, Adam -- "Too much, too soon Adam Sjøgren You're way out of tune a...@koldfront.dk No class, no class"
Re: Removing the first nntp server from the list
Richmond writes: > If I have in .gnus a structure like > > (setq gnus-select-method > > and then subsequently > > (add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods > > How do I remove the first server from the list? Should I just replace it > with the second server? I think the article numbers would be messed up. You can set gnus-select-method to '(nnnil) - then it will do nothing, and everything else will be "secondary" select-methods. This way you also avoid having the special case for the first method. Best regards, Adam -- "We can discuss sexism in survival situations when Adam Sjøgren I get back." a...@koldfront.dk
Re: Keeping IMAP connection alive when using it in mail-sources
Adam writes: > Adam writes: > >> Here's the modified version of mail-source-fetch-imap I cobbled >> together [...] > > I have been running this for the past 4 days without a single hiccup(!) One thing to fix is to make the process buffer name unique to the mail-sources entry, so if you have multiple imap accounts in your mail-sources they get a process buffer each. I think. Best regards, Adam -- "Du danser godt, men ude af takt" Adam Sjøgren a...@koldfront.dk
Re: Keeping IMAP connection alive when using it in mail-sources
Adam writes: > Here's the modified version of mail-source-fetch-imap I cobbled > together [...] I have been running this for the past 4 days without a single hiccup(!) If anyone else is using IMAP as POP, it's worth trying. Best regards, Adam -- "This piece is about the inadequacy of traditional Adam Sjøgren imagery and symbols to convey meaning in today's a...@koldfront.dk world."
Re: Keeping IMAP connection alive when using it in mail-sources
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Re: Keeping IMAP connection alive when using it in mail-sources
Eric writes: > Not with the code as it's written! There's a very definite > (imap-close buf) at the end of the mail source fetching, then the buffer > is deleted. I guess it wouldn't be a bad idea to add a keepalive option > to imap.el, but someone would have to do that! I guess changing mail-source-fetch-imap to check if the buffer already exists and if the connected process is still there, and then not closing imap and not killing the buffer at the end, would be the bare minimum. Interesting. Thanks for the pointer! Best regards, Adam -- "Emacs [...] a [...] nuclear-powered Swiss Army Adam Sjøgren knife favored by top-notch programmers and computer a...@koldfront.dk scientists."
Keeping IMAP connection alive when using it in mail-sources
Hi,
I was wondering if there is a way to use IMAP in mail-sources ("as
POP"), but without closing the connection after every
gnus-group-get-new-news?
All my nntp-connections are kept alive and pressing "g" in the *Group*
buffer is pretty fast, except for the tls connection and login on the
IMAP-server that happens every time.
It would be nice if Gnus would just keep the connection open.
Best regards,
Adam
(I use IMAP "as POP" because I like having all my email locally, indexed
by notmuch, with local spam-classification by crm114 and so on and so
forth.)
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Re: gnus-user-agent & nnmaildir:inbox is not visible
jindam.v...@disroot.org writes: > typing "y" when i startup gnus message "Gnus > auto-save file exists. Do you want to read it?" > resolved issue. Yes, Gnus prefers that you quit Gnus before closing Emacs - otherwise it assumes that something went wrong and tries to help you recover on next startup. Best regards, Adam -- "> Fantastisk og fantastisk det kan jo diskuteres."Adam Sjøgren "Selvfølgelig er der altid folk der vil bestride a...@koldfront.dk fakta."
Re: Debugger entered--Lisp error: (file-error "Adding new name" "Operation not permitted"
jindam.v...@disroot.org writes: > Debugger entered--Lisp error: (file-error "Adding new name" "Operation > not permitted" "/home/jin/.Maildir/INBOX/.nnmaildir/marks/expire/:" > "/home/jin/.Maildir/INBOX/.nnmaildir/marks/expire/1...") [...] > how do i resolve issue? It looks like you don't have access to write to the folder mentioned - what are the permissions on it, and does your user have permission to write to it? Best regards, Adam -- "Bob Dylan? Han har en cool röst." Adam Sjøgren a...@koldfront.dk
Re: recipient does not have pgp key? can i still send an encrypted email?
vani writes: > it seems we need recipient pgp key for sending > encrypted email. if there is no pgp key, can i > still encrypted email? No, not with public-key cryptography¹, which is what is usually used. You need the recipients public key to be able to encrypt the email to them. If you and the recipient share a secret (eg. a password), you could use symmetric encryption², but you have to share the secret in some other way first, so it's rarely a solution. Best regards, Adam ¹ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-key_cryptography ² https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetric-key_algorithm -- "(Phew, it's hard to explain with my poor Adam Sjøgren English.)" a...@koldfront.dk
Re: delete downloaded marked emails after specific days & pop3 advice
Eric writes:
>> (d) seriously, reconsidering to use getmail
>> to fetch all emails through pop3, is it good
>> idea. pop3 supports or recognises only one
>> directory —inbox & does it mean it will include
>> spam emails in inbox?
>
> If you don't care about the state of the server, and would prefer to not
> leave messages there, then yes I think using a pop3 mail-source might be
> a better option than mbsync. You can still use nnmaildir locally, with
> split rules that send incoming mail there.
>
> I don't use this and I don't know if pop will pull messages from
> multiple folders; the docs don't mention any relevant config.
I think POP is from before mail folders on the mail server was a thing?
You can also "use IMAP as POP" - instead of how IMAP was intended to be
used - eg. if your mail server doesn't have POP, which is what I do:
; Get local mail, and use IMAPS as well:
(setq mail-sources '((file)
(imap :server "mail.koldfront.dk" :stream tls)))
This downloads the email from the server and stores it locally, marking
the email as deleted on the server. As far as I remember it just gets
the email from INBOX per default; I do splitting locally.
Yep, Gnus says:
Reading incoming mail from imap...
imap: Connecting to mail.koldfront.dk...
Waiting for response from mail.koldfront.dk...done
imap: Authenticating to ‘mail.koldfront.dk’ using ‘login’...
imap: Plaintext authentication...
imap: Login successful...
imap: Authenticating to ‘mail.koldfront.dk’ using ‘login’...done
Fetching from INBOX...
nnml: Reading incoming mail (no new mail)...done
See details here: https://gnus.org/manual/gnus_84.html#Mail-Sources
Best regards,
Adam
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Re: gnus-read-init-file: Error in ~/.gnus: disroot.org
vani writes: > (setq gnus-select-method > '(nnimap "disroot.org")) [...] > (nnimap "disroot.org" > (nnimap-inbox "INBOX") > (nnimap-split-methods default) > (nnimap-expunge t) > (nnimap-stream ssl)) > (nnimap-authinfo-file "~/.authinfo"))) This part is misplaced - I think what you are looking for is something like this: (setq gnus-select-method '(nnimap "disroot.org" (nnimap-inbox "INBOX") (nnimap-split-methods default) (nnimap-expunge t) (nnimap-stream ssl) (nnimap-authinfo-file "~/.authinfo"))) > (setq mail-sources > ’((file :path "/var/spool/mail/jindam.v...@disroot.org") >(imap :server "disroot.org" > :user "jindam.v...@disroot.org" > :port "993" > :password "password"))) You should _either_ use nnimap _or_ mail-sources, not both. If you use nnimap, you are using IMAP "as intended", that is: email lives and is manipulated on the mail-server. If you, on the other hand, add "imap" to mail-sources, you will basically be downloading emails to your local machine and removing them from the mail-server. If you are doing any of the above, you do not need to set up getmail. If you set up getmail, you should ONLY set up the file-part of mail-sources. · · · If I were you, I would start with setting up nnimap only. That way you can still access your email using a different mail-client. If nnimap gets annoying, then figure out another setup. Start simple, get an idea of what you like and don't, then modify. (I don't use nnimap, but I also have many weird old habits when it comes to email :-)) I hope this helps a little! Best regards, Adam -- "I never followed my dream, I always avoided myAdam Sjøgren nightmares." a...@koldfront.dk
Re: gnus-read-init-file: Error in ~/.gnus: disroot.org
vani writes: > running M-x gnus has thrown another error: > Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-function nnimap) Ok, then there's another problem in the configuration that I didn't spot right away - feel free to share what your .gnus looks like again, and we can try looking at it and see if we can spot the problem :-) Best regards, Adam -- "Nobody: My name is Xamichee, "he who talks loud Adam Sjøgren say nothing."" a...@koldfront.dk
Re: gnus-read-init-file: Error in ~/.gnus: disroot.org
vani writes: > (setq smtpmail-auth-supported '(plain))") This line looks weird - there is an extra ") at the end? > ** questions: > (1) is it mandatory to use getmail or fetchmail? No. See https://www.gnus.org/manual/gnus_84.html#Mail-Sources and https://www.gnus.org/manual/gnus_83.html#Using-IMAP depending on how you want your email organized. > (2) how do i resolve gnus init error? Fix the syntax. Best regards, Adam -- "It's such a sadness that you think you've seen a Adam Sjøgren film on your fucking telephone. Get real." a...@koldfront.dk
Re: How to subsribe to a general mailing list?
Björn writes: > Everything that doesn't involve things that need threading or should run > in the background otherwise ;D They should make some faster CPU's instead of all those multi-core shenanigans! ;-) > E.g. Gnus fetching articles to slow or indexing/searching of Mails. I use notmuch to index and search email in Gnus, it works well - and fast, as it's using Xapian. Best regards, Adam -- "I need someone to throw blue sky at me" Adam Sjøgren a...@koldfront.dk
Re: How to subsribe to a general mailing list?
Björn writes: > Not necessarily every mailinglists is on Gmane, it depends on the users > preference what he might choose. True. However, most mailing lists can be added to Gmane. > NTTP/Game won't work as good outside of Emacs, the user might use other > clients besides Emacs for Emails. That goes without saying, everything works better inside Emacs. ;-), Adam -- "Så kommer der omkvæd på. Og så skal man forklare Adam Sjøgren omkvædet. Det er det værste."a...@koldfront.dk
Re: Denied posting the From looks strange
GH writes: > "Denied posting -- the From looks strange" > > How can config gnus to post it? Take a look at the variable message-syntax-checks - it might allow you to disable the from check you don't want? Best regards, Adam -- "He said, "He who is not for Me is against Me,"Adam Sjøgren Just so you know where He's coming from."a...@koldfront.dk
Re: Need help; cannot send email in gnus and emacs anymore; 550 relay not permitted
physiculus writes: > inside the authinfo.gpg file there is a line > #default force yes > after comment out, it works. Happy to hear you found a solution. Cheers, Adam -- "I'm sorry I sound calm. I assure you that Adam Sjøgren I am hysterical."a...@koldfront.dk
Re: Generate and insert Face header from jpg file
Satoshi writes: > (setq message-required-headers > (nconc message-required-headers > (list '(Face . (lambda () > (gnus-face-from-file "~/face.jpg")) > > But I couldn't generate and insert Face header at writing a mail. What happens when you try? Do you get an error message? You have chosen to use gnus-face-from-file and a JPEG - the documentation says that it uses gnus-convert-image-to-face-command to convert the image to PNG: ,[ C-h v gnus-convert-image-to-face-command RET ] | gnus-convert-image-to-face-command is a variable defined in ‘gnus-fun.el’. | | Its value is "convert -scale 48x48! %s -colors %d png:-" | | Command for converting an image to a Face. | | The command must take an image filename (first format argument | "%s") and the number of colors (second format argument: "%d") | as input. The output must be the Face header data on stdout in | PNG format. | ` Do you have ImageMagick installed on your machine (i.e. the package that contains the "convert" command)? To eliminate that potential source of problems you could save the image as a PNG and use gnus-convert-png-to-face instead. Best regards, Adam -- "perhaps he does not understand that business needsAdam Sjøgren to be run without idiot balloons or child games."a...@koldfront.dk
Re: Need help; cannot send email in gnus and emacs anymore; 550 relay not permitted
physiculus writes:
> 220 2.0.0 Ready to start TLS
> 250-smtp.gmail.com at your service,
> [2a02:8108:1200:24dc:4f7b:d279:b926:29ee] 250-SIZE 35882577
> 250-8BITMIME
> 250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN XOAUTH2 PLAIN-CLIENTTOKEN OAUTHBEARER XOAUTH
> 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
> 250-PIPELINING
> 250-CHUNKING
> 250 SMTPUTF8
> MAIL FROM: SIZE=308
> 530-5.7.0 Authentication Required. Learn more at
> 530 5.7.0 https://support.google.com/mail/?p=WantAuthError
> o21-20020a170906775500b0072f9dc2c246sm3720562ejn.133 - gsmtp QUIT
> 221 2.0.0 closing connection
> o21-20020a170906775500b0072f9dc2c246sm3720562ejn.133 - gsmtp
> could you see, which step brings the error?
The mail server explicitly tells you that you need to log in, and Gnus
doesn't, it forges ahead with "MAIL FROM".
> the mail adress is the same as in my authinfo.gpg file.
And the "machine" in authinfo.gpg matches the mail server's name?
And your ~/.authinfo.gpg is encrypted with GPG? What does "file
~/.authinfo.gpg" say?
> or is it possible to deeper log the connection?
There is nothing more being exchanged between Gnus and the mail server
than what you see in the trace.
Best regards,
Adam
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Re: Need help; cannot send email in gnus and emacs anymore; 550 relay not permitted
physiculus writes: >> Do you have username and password configured in clawsmail for the >> outgoing (smtp) mail servers? > yes it is configured inside clawsmail. Ok, so that's at least a difference between "working client" and "non-working client". > but i do not know, if gnus/smtpmail reads the data from this file. > is it possible to log deeper if sending mail? I would expect the smtp trace buffer to have lines about logging in (AUTH) if it is. Does what you have put after "machine" in authinfo match what you have in your posting styles as the smtp servers? Best regards, Adam -- "Du har ingenting at sige Adam Sjøgren Og det siger du så, a...@koldfront.dk så højt det nu kan blive"
Re: Need help; cannot send email in gnus and emacs anymore; 550 relay not permitted
physiculus writes: > yes sending and receiving inside clawsmail works great. Do you have username and password configured in clawsmail for the outgoing (smtp) mail servers? > any ideas to investigate further? I think most mail servers wants you to log in these days, so the curious thing is that it has worked before. Did you try the suggestion in the previous email? Best regards, Adam -- "I have nothing to offer anybody Adam Sjøgren Except my own confusion" a...@koldfront.dk
Re: Need help; cannot send email in gnus and emacs anymore; 550 relay not permitted
physiculus writes: > unfortunately i do not understand the report: [...] > MAIL FROM: SIZE=301 > 250 OK > RCPT TO: > 550 relay not permitted So the mail server, wpxxx.webpack.hosteurope.de, is saying that you're not allowed to send email to that address, z...@holnishaus.de, through it - nothing new in that, that's the message that you got all along. One thing that might change the servers opinion is if you log in. I think that is usually done by adding a password in ~/.authinfo.gpg - i.e. adding a line like: machine smtp.gmail.com login asj...@gmail.com password MyGPassword (switch out the smtp-server hostname, login, and password). Does sending email to that address through that mail server work in other clients? Best regards, Adam -- "The problem is, you see everything in terms ofAdam Sjøgren black and white" "SOMETIMES THAT'S THE WAY THINGSa...@koldfront.dk ARE!!"
Re: Need help; cannot send email in gnus and emacs anymore; 550 relay not permitted
physiculus writes: > Am Thu, 28 Jul 2022 09:34:17 -1000 > Bob Newell schrieb: >> Have you tried setting smtp-debug-info to t? > yes i have set it, but did not see any difference. Probably because the variable is called smtpmail-debug-info: ,[ C-h v smtpmail-debug-info RET ] | smtpmail-debug-info is a variable defined in ‘smtpmail.el’. | | Its value is nil | | Whether to print info in buffer *trace of SMTP session to *. | See also ‘smtpmail-debug-verb’ which determines if the SMTP protocol should | be verbose as well. | ` So try setting that and look at the resulting trace buffer. I'm guessing your smtp login is failing, as the mail server is telling you that you are not allowed to send email through it (relaying). Best regards, Adam -- "Because something is happening here Adam Sjøgren But you don't know what it is, do you, Mistera...@koldfront.dk Jones?"
Re: How to clean up the mess in From: line from maillist
hput writes: > My messages seem to carry a bunch of guff into this group from the > maillist. You can thank spammers for that. Many mailing lists do From: rewriting these days when the From:-domain has DMARC set up, because otherwise emails sent out by the mailing list fail SPF. This can be avoided by adding a DKIM header, which can be non-trivial¹ - e.g. you need control of DNS of the domain in your From:-address. > What can I so that all but the actual address of that maillist is > gone? The munged From:-line is what the mailing list sends out - so all you can achieve is that it looks different on your screen. Best regards, Adam ¹ https://koldfront.dk/adding_dkim_to_news_articles_1617 -- "Är där noget så härligt som blommer om moronnen? Adam Sjøgren Ja, alko-läsk!" a...@koldfront.dk
Re: Something peculiar in my Topics setup
hput via writes:
>> Have you put them on a level that does this?
> No they are and have nearly alwas been on the default for mail 3 I
> think it is.
Ok, then my guess is out the window.
>> What level are those groups?
>
> How can I tell other than the color? I think they are level 3.
Not sure, I would press S l (gnus-group-set-current-level) which shows
what the level is and lets you change it.
>> See
>> https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/gnus/Group-Levels.html
>
> Er, and what am I to learn there?
My intention was that _if_ the guess that it might be level related was
correct, that link is to the documentation of how group levels work.
> I haven't had any dealings with levels in gnus for at least 15 to 18
> years. Or much longer, probably about the time of quassia gnus.
It was just a guess from what you were describing :-)
> Just for the record. I solved the issue by deleting that topic and
> creating a new watch topic "nwatch".
>
> All working as expected again... Probably will never know what was
> happening there but all is well now.
Two steps forward and one step back - good that you found a way to make
the problem go away.
Best regards,
Adam
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Re: Reply-To in gnus message
GH writes:
> (setq mail-default-reply-to "u...@example.org")
[...]
> how can I set it in message mode?
In Gnus you can use gnus-posting-styles, something like:
(setq gnus-posting-styles
'((".*"
(reply-to "u...@example.org")
)))
This makes it easy to do things depending on the name of the group.
Or you could use a hook:
(add-hook 'message-setup-hook (lambda ()
(message-add-header "Reply-To:
u...@example.org")))
Best regards,
Adam
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Re: deuglifing articles
GH writes: > Hi, how can I set functions on articles when I open it to read, maybe > a hook? How about this hook: ,[ C-h v gnus-article-mode-hook RET ] | gnus-article-mode-hook is a variable defined in ‘gnus-art.el’. | | Its value is nil | | A hook for Gnus article mode. | | This variable may be risky if used as a file-local variable. | You can customize this variable. | ` ? > many mails from gmail are using Top Posting[1] style, any function to > deuglify it? I think it has been discussed before, but I can't remember if anybody came up with something good. It would be really nice to have a way to move around quotes automatically, but without trimming (which top posters rarely do), it might not be of much use in practice? Best regards, Adam -- "Some things last longer than you think they will Adam Sjøgren Some kind of things you can never kill" a...@koldfront.dk
Re: Something peculiar in my Topics setup
hput via writes: > 256: nnml:inco > 235: nnml:all-but-cron_ If I understand correctly the root problem is that those groups are not shown by default even though they are not empty? Have you put them on a level that does this? What level are those groups? See https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/gnus/Group-Levels.html Best regards, Adam -- "Ge dom ett finger och värm min hand Adam Sjøgren (I ett iskallt Ikea-land)" a...@koldfront.dk
Re: Update topic unread counts on group exit?
Eric writes: > Looks like Dick Chiang has already opened a bug report containing the > fix, so expect this to work Real Soon Now. That fixed it - great, thanks! Best regards, Adam -- "Referring to glorified travelling salesmen Adam Sjøgren as ``road warriors'' is an insult to a...@koldfront.dk gun-toting nomadic mercenaries everywhere."
Re: Update topic unread counts on group exit?
Eric writes: > I'll remove the checks now. The line the error is triggered in is: (defun gnus-topic-update-topic-line (topic-name reads) (let* ((top (gnus-topic-find-topology topic-name)) (type (cadr top)) (children (cddr top)) (entries (gnus-topic-find-groups (car type) (car gnus-group-list-mode) (cdr gnus-group-list-mode))) (all-groups (gnus-topic-find-groups (car type) (car gnus-group-list-mode) (cdr gnus-group-list-mode) t)) <-- HERE (parent (gnus-topic-parent-topic topic-name)) gnus-topic-find-groups: Wrong type argument: number-or-marker-p, t gnus-group-list-mode is (5) here, so the cdr is nil, and gnus-topic-find-groups doesn't like that, apparently. I didn't have time to step through that to pinpoint it further. Best regards, Adam -- "*We* focus on doing nothing at all!" Adam Sjøgren a...@koldfront.dk
Re: Update topic unread counts on group exit?
Eric writes:
> In fact, gnus-topic.el already thinks it's doing what you want --
> updating topic lines on group exit -- but because of the bug in
> `gnus-topic-update-topic', the update never happens.
Oooh, cool, I didn't remember that it used to work ;-)
> Lars added that major-mode check as part of a larger commit last year, I
> have to assume it was a mistake. I'll remove the checks now.
Nice piece of debugging!
However, I think you broke something? When I try to q out of a group I
now get:
Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument number-or-marker-p t)
gnus-topic-find-groups("feedwork" 5 nil t)
gnus-topic-update-topic-line("feedwork")
gnus-topic-update-topics-containing-group("nntp+fb:feedbase.blog.inspiredpython")
gnus-group-update-group("nntp+fb:feedbase.blog.inspiredpython" nil t)
gnus-summary-update-info()
gnus-summary-exit()
funcall-interactively(gnus-summary-exit)
command-execute(gnus-summary-exit)
(when toggle-debug-on-error is on, and I have removed my hook).
Best regards,
Adam
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Re: Update topic unread counts on group exit?
Adam writes: > Eric writes: > >> It looks to me like you could add a function to >> `gnus-summary-exit-hook', which calls >> `gnus-topic-update-topics-containing-group' on the value of >> `gnus-newsgroup-name'. At that stage in summary exit, >> `gnus-newsgroup-name' won't have been cleared yet, so it should still >> hold the name of the group you're coming out of. [...] > I will see if I can get your suggestion going after dinner :-) This is what I did: (defun asjo-update-topics () (gnus-topic-update-topics-containing-group gnus-newsgroup-name)) (add-hook 'gnus-summary-exit-hook 'asjo-update-topics) But simpler than my hack - but nothing is updated. When I edebug-defun it, I can see that gnus-newsgroup-name is indeed the full newsgroup name, e.g. "nntp+gm:gmane.emacs.gnus.user", but the topic counts aren't updated. Best regards, Adam -- "The code is more what you'd call 'guidelines',Adam Sjøgren than actual rules." a...@koldfront.dk
Re: Update topic unread counts on group exit?
Eric writes: >> Is there a way to get Gnus to update the counts automatically on group >> exit as well? > It looks to me like you could add a function to > `gnus-summary-exit-hook', which calls > `gnus-topic-update-topics-containing-group' on the value of > `gnus-newsgroup-name'. At that stage in summary exit, > `gnus-newsgroup-name' won't have been cleared yet, so it should still > hold the name of the group you're coming out of. Any reason for Gnus not to do that by default? I hacked this together before reading your suggestion: (defun asjo-update-topics () (let ((pos (point))) (beginning-of-buffer) (gnus-topic-read-group) (gnus-topic-read-group) (goto-char pos))) (add-hook 'gnus-summary-exit-hook 'asjo-update-topics) Which just toggles the top-level topic, which has the side effect of updating the counts. I couldn't make save-mark-and-excursion work, so I did the point + goto-char dance, which is a little icky. I will see if I can get your suggestion going after dinner :-) Thanks! Best regards, Adam -- "Our voodoo-dolls are full of hopes" Adam Sjøgren a...@koldfront.dk
Update topic unread counts on group exit?
Hi, When I exit a group, the unread count in the topic it is under doesn't update. If I collapse the topic, the count gets updated. That's cool. Is there a way to get Gnus to update the counts automatically on group exit as well? The speed of Emacs these days makes me think I don't mind Gnus doing the the extra work. Best regards, Adam -- "Sunday morning when the rain begins to fall Adam Sjøgren I believe I have seen the end of it all" a...@koldfront.dk
Re: How to subsribe to a general mailing list?
Byung-Hee writes: > Adam Sjøgren writes: >> Plus: have you looked at the sizes of harddisks these days? You can >> store a _lot_ of emails in a couple of terabytes. > Adam, please give me more example. Maybe i need this strategy... I was just thinking about how small mailing list emails are compared to how huge harddisks are these days. My first harddisk was 40 MB, my laptop today has 1.5 TB of SSD. That's more than 39000x larger. I definitely haven't been writing/receiving 39000x more emails. I have 396K emails in ~/Mail currently - they take up 11 GB, that's ~a 140th of the available space. In Feedbase I have 3.3 million articles currently, the PostgreSQL table takes up around 5.4 GB on disk. So I wasn't thinking of any specific strategy, storage spaces has just grown much faster than email size. PostgreSQL (unsurprisingly) is more efficient than a-file-per-article by quite a bit, though :-) Best regards, Adam -- "Wandering stars Adam Sjøgren For whom it is reserved a...@koldfront.dk The blackness of darkness, forever"
Re: How to subsribe to a general mailing list?
Durand writes: > I was imagining that this is easily abused, e.g. some user can make up > a plethora of mailing lists, and then blow the gmane server up by > subscribing to a new list every 10 seconds, say. Every subscription takes human interaction to complete, so there is a "natural" filter in place. Best regards, Adam -- "Python looks to me like the illegitimate spawn of Adam Sjøgren C and BASIC, but then I used to program in 6502 a...@koldfront.dk machine code so what do I know ..."
Re: How to subsribe to a general mailing list?
Durand writes: > Adam> Yes, if you have an mbox file, you can browse it in Gnus > Adam> e.g. by using G f in the *Group* buffer: > > Thanks for the information. That is exactly what I want! Great! [Traditional subscription to a mailing list] > I hesitate to do this because I don't want to store the mailing list > in my mail inbox. What people usually do is to "split" (filter) email for a mailing list into a separate "group" (folder). > If I subscribe to the list, then the only way (that I know) to remove > the mails from my mail inbox is to delete them. But, what if I want to > read the unsubscribed mailing list again in the future? Re-subscribing > to the list won't send me the old mails again. So I need some way to > read the entire mailing list. That's the situation where Gmane is handy - as it is keeps being subscribed to a mailing list regardless of whether you - or anybody else - is reading it, so it has all the emails back to when the group was created in Gmane. [Being in control] > I mean I do not have the ability to freely manipulate the contents on > the server. For example, I have to request to add some mailing lists > to the server. How am I in control of that? What if I want to > subscribe to some mailing list that I don't wish others to know that I > want to subscribe to? Ah yes, in those cases using a public service is out of the question. But then you have the problems you mentioned above instead :-) > Moreover, if I later don't want to subscribe to the mailing list, > could I remove the list from the gmane server? No - you can unsubscribe (and forget about the group), but somebody else might be reading the mailing list via Gmane - if you could remove it, you'd annoy anybody else who subscribed to the group in the meantime. > why can users add arbitrary mailing lists to the server? To me it feels very much like a "I would like to use this myself, so I built it. Maybe others would like to use it as well, feel free to do so"-project. Although I don't know what Lars' motivations were/are. As long as it isn't abused, it's a nice service and a neat solution to a problem shared by a bunch of people. > I think the server only has a limited amout of spaces, so that the > user can only add a limited amount of mailing lists to the server? There are only a limited amount of mailing lists on the internet. And the emails on those lists are (mainly) written by people. People can only type so much. Plus: have you looked at the sizes of harddisks these days? You can store a _lot_ of emails in a couple of terabytes. > Or does gmane know some alchemical magic to handle an unlimited amount > of subscriptions to mailing lists? Luckily there aren't an unlimited supply of mailing lists, and there aren't an unlimited number of mailing lists that people are interested in reading through Gmane. So although resources aren't unlimited, neither is the need for capacity. I would guess that storage was much more a problem in the beginning of Gmane (20 years ago!) than now :-) This discussion has become only tangentially Gnus related, it might make sense to switch to the gmane.discuss group on news.gmane.io? :-) Best regards, Adam -- "This piece is about the inadequacy of traditional Adam Sjøgren imagey and symbols to convey meaning in today's a...@koldfront.dk world."
Re: How to subsribe to a general mailing list?
Durand via writes: > From what I heard, the mailing lists on the gmane server are supposed > to be related to "GNU things"? Where have you heard that? Gmane has all kinds of lists - as long as the owner of the list doesn't mind, any mailing list can be added. > Of course I am not saying that gmane should allow people to add > arbitrary mailing lists to the server; that makes no sense. That is literally what Gmane does. > I am just looking for some way to control what I can view in Gnus. How are you not in control of that? Best regards, Adam -- "Our voodoo-dolls are full of hopes" Adam Sjøgren a...@koldfront.dk
Re: How to subsribe to a general mailing list?
Durand writes: > - Is it possible to set up an nntp server on my own virtual personal > server, and let Gnus talk to that nntp server? I presume this is > possible, but I have no experiences in this field. Certainly. That won't make mailing lists appear on your own nntp server, though, so that's an extra task to set up/figure out. > - Is it possible to download the mailing list directly, as an mbox > file or any other format that the mailing list provides, and use an > ephemeral group to view the mailing list? Yes, if you have an mbox file, you can browse it in Gnus e.g. by using G f in the *Group* buffer: , | G f runs the command gnus-group-make-doc-group (found in | gnus-group-mode-map), which is an interactive native compiled Lisp | function in ‘gnus-group.el’. | | It is bound to G f. | It can also be invoked from the menu:. | | (gnus-group-make-doc-group FILE TYPE) | | Create a group that uses a single file as the source. | | If called with a prefix argument, ask for the file type. ` The traditional way of reading a mailing list is subscribing to it - then you receive a copy of every email somebody sends to the mailing list. Emails that can be read in Gnus. Subscribing is usually as easy as sending an email to a special address, though sometimes you have to go through a web form. This depends on the mailing list. Gmane is a system that subscribes to mailing lists and exposes them via nntp. This can be very convenient, but if the mailing lists you are interested in aren't already on Gmane, you'll have to deal with getting them added via the web interface. Best regards, Adam -- "LUFTVAFFEL!" Adam Sjøgren a...@koldfront.dk
Re: Retrieve thread URL from Gnus
Roland writes: > I am fairly new to Gnus and your caveman-like approach came very handy > when yesterday I needed to look at an old message for which I only knew > the article number on the gmane server (the line "article 20429" in your > example telnet session). It is very handy to know a couple of nntp commands in a pinch! :-) > What is the equivalent command in Gnus? The equivalent is: a) Open the news.gmane.io server: in the Group buffer press B RET (for nntp) and enter news.gmane.io b) Find the group gmane.lisp.clisp.devel and enter it (press RET with point on the line) c) Jump to article number: press j and enter the article number If you want to see the entire thread, you can press A T to have the other articles in the thread inserted into the *Summary* buffer. If you find it convenient to read news (i.e. mailing lists) via gmane, you can set it up as a permanent server in your Gnus configuration (gnus-secondary-methods) and subscribe to the groups you like to read. Best regards, Adam -- "Archbishop of anarchy" Adam Sjøgren a...@koldfront.dk
Re: Retrieve thread URL from Gnus
André writes: >> You can fetch it via nntp, however: >> >> $ telnet news.gmane.io nntp > > [...] > > I didn't know that. Thank you! You're welcome. With Gnus you can skip all the telnetting-like-a-caveman stuff, of course :-) Best regards, Adam -- "I don't know! There's never a wrong idea in the Adam Sjøgren brainstorming phase."a...@koldfront.dk
Re: Retrieve thread URL from Gnus
ubject=subscribe> Errors-To: clisp-devel-boun...@lists.sourceforge.net Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.clisp.devel:20429 Archived-At: <http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.clisp.devel/20429> I tried to use the new thread interface in Clisp's SWANK backend, and I have come across a few minor issues, and one serious bug: * The lock-related functions are consistently called MUTEX-foo, but the macro to grab a mutex is called WITH-LOCK. * I don't like that (thread-name (make-thread #'(lambda ( returns #, as you cannot use (or (thread-name ...) "SOME-DEFAULT") this way. * I think the default print-object method specializing on threads should print whether the thread is currently running, or has been stopped. Now to a much more serious issue: * If I run the file below, clisp exits with "Aborted". I'm on Linux-x86/32, compiled clisp from CVS four hours ago. Have threads and weak-hashtables been tested? -T. PS. (defvar *thread-plist-table-lock* (mp:make-mutex :name "THREAD-PLIST-TABLE-LOCK")) (defvar *thread-plist-table* (make-hash-table :weak :key) "A hashtable mapping threads to a plist.") (defvar *thread-id-counter* 0) (defun thread-id (thread) (mp:with-lock (*thread-plist-table-lock*) (or (getf (gethash thread *thread-plist-table*) 'thread-id) (setf (getf (gethash thread *thread-plist-table*) 'thread-id) (incf *thread-id-counter*) (defvar *thread* (make-thread (lambda () (loop (sleep 1) (thread-id *thread*) (thread-interrupt *thread* :function t) (setq *thread* nil) (gc) -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ clisp-devel mailing list clisp-de...@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/clisp-devel . quit 205 Bye! Connection closed by foreign host. $ If you need a web-URL your best bet is the mailing list archives on lists.sourceforge.net. Best regards, Adam -- "I don't know! There's never a wrong idea in the Adam Sjøgren brainstorming phase."a...@koldfront.dk
Setting message-shoot-gnksa-feet in a topic/group parameter
I have added this as the topic parameters for a topic of mine: ((message-shoot-gnksa-feet '(cancel-messages canlock-verify))) but when message-is-yours-p runs in a summary buffer in a group under that topic, message-shoot-gnksa-feet is nil - and I am told off: "message-cancel-news: This article is not yours". Did I get the syntax wrong, isn't this supposed to work, or what? Best regards, Adam -- "You're terrible." Adam Sjøgren "Nah. Don't want to be categorized." a...@koldfront.dk
Re: mail splitting with mime-encoded headers
Roland writes: > What is the recommended way for dealing with mime-encoded headers when > splitting mail? I use this: ; Decode headers before splitting on them: (setq nnmail-mail-splitting-decodes t) ,[ C-h v nnmail-mail-splitting-decodes RET ] | nnmail-mail-splitting-decodes is a variable defined in ‘nnmail.el’. | | Its value is t | Original value was nil | | Whether the nnmail splitting functionality should MIME decode headers. | ` Best regards, Adam -- "En monoton vers behöver en stark refräng" Adam Sjøgren a...@koldfront.dk
Re: Where in gnus manual is info about timers
hput via writes: > I remember using timers in gnus long ago but cannot find anything in > the gnus manual about it now. Maybe if you describe what you mean by "timers", somebody can help? Are you thinking of daemons, that can be used to do stuff when Emacs is inactive? · https://www.gnus.org/manual/gnus_119.html#Daemons Or are you thinking of delayed sending? · https://www.gnus.org/manual/gnus_36.html#Delayed-Articles Or something else? Best regards, Adam -- "Först kom ingenting Adam Sjøgren Sen kom ingenting" a...@koldfront.dk
Re: about nndraft behavior
hput via writes: > Am I miss-remembering that `C-c C-c' should return the finished msg to > nndraft? I think you are. C-x C-s however saves the message to the drafts group without sending it. Best regards, Adam -- "Henri, why did you leave France?" Adam Sjøgren "Zhey didøn't like me zhere." a...@koldfront.dk
Re: [question] how show messages with bold or colored or different font sizes
Sharon writes: > at last I can see html-like emails using 'shr'. Before I used 'w3m', > and I could right-click a link and then copy the url to the clipboard > for pasting into a browser. Unfortunately I've now lost that ability > through using 'shr'. > Do you know how I can regain the right-click of the mouse ability > please? No. However, if I left-click on a link in an article, it opens in my default browser. If I press u with point on the link in the article, the URL is copied to the clipboard. If I press w in the *Summary* buffer, Gnus will open the link in the article in my default browser - prompting if there is more than one link. Are any of those options useful for you? Best regards, Adam -- "Who's got time for this nonsense! I'm a busy guy! Adam Sjøgren I've got things to do! The *last* thing *I* need is a...@koldfront.dk to stand around with my nose in some silly plant!"
Re: [question] how show messages with bold or colored or different font sizes
physiculus writes: > i set shr-use-fonts and shr-use-colors to t. Ok, those are the defaults, so you had configured them previously, I guess? > but now the colors in html mails from other poeple are mostly terrible. > too light or too dark, no real good mix. Another good reason to discourage the use of HTML in email :-) Best regards, Adam -- "I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of Adam Sjøgren confusion of ideas that could provoke such a a...@koldfront.dk question."
Re: [question] how show messages with bold or colored or different font sizes
physiculus writes: > I'm on a step forward! What did you change? > colors are correct. > bold, italics are correct. > font sizes not. That's also what you saw on my screenshot. physiculus writes: > Is it possible, that this is a bug in shr? Yes, or perhaps a feature. Best regards, Adam -- "En monoton vers behöver en stark refräng" Adam Sjøgren a...@koldfront.dk
Re: [question] how show messages with bold or colored or different font sizes
physiculus writes: > i changed my settings and now gnus display bold and italics and bold. > but no color and no font sizes. > > do you know why? No. I'm guessing it is something in your configuration. Have you changed it to display the HTML part or the text part? Best regards, Adam -- "They are very important clients, they can't wait."Adam Sjøgren "They're about to." a...@koldfront.dk
Re: [question] how show messages with bold or colored or different font sizes
physiculus writes:
> here is a message:
This is what that email looks like in my Gnus:
· https://koldfront.dk/misc/gnus/email-screenshot.png
(when I remove "text/html" from mm-discouraged-alternatives, and leave
"text/html" in mm-automatic-display).
It looks like the only thing shr ignores is the font size part.
>> Do you have any configuration set up to prefer text/ignore HTML?
>>
>> E.g. I have:
>>
>> ;; Don't display html inline
>> (setq
>>mm-discouraged-alternatives '("text/html" "text/richtext" "text/enriched")
>>mm-automatic-display (remove "text/html" mm-automatic-display))
> Here is my setting:
> Its value is ("text/html" "text/richtext" "image/.*")
Well, there's your problem. You've told Gnus to prefer not displaying
text/html.
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Re: [question] how show messages with bold or colored or different font sizes
physiculus writes:
> my wife sends messages with thunderbird, but inside gnus these things are
> gone.
> Is it possible with gnus to show the messages with these attributes?
Are you talking about emails in HTML format, and/or in both text and
HTML?
The default is to render them with shr, which does a pretty good job of
showing such formatting.
Do you have an example you can share?
Do you have any configuration set up to prefer text/ignore HTML?
E.g. I have:
;; Don't display html inline
(setq
mm-discouraged-alternatives '("text/html" "text/richtext" "text/enriched")
mm-automatic-display (remove "text/html" mm-automatic-display))
which is the opposite of what you want. At work I have configured Gnus
the other way around, i.e. to display text/html.
What is the value of mm-text-html-renderer in your setup?
,[ C-h v mm-text-html-renderer RET ]
| mm-text-html-renderer is a variable defined in ‘mm-decode.el’.
|
| Its value is ‘shr’
|
| You can customize this variable.
| This variable was introduced, or its default value was changed, in
| version 27.1 of Emacs.
| Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 27.1.
|
| Render of HTML contents.
| It is one of defined renderer types, or a rendering function.
| The defined renderer types are:
| ‘shr’: use the built-in Gnus HTML renderer;
| ‘gnus-w3m’: use Gnus renderer based on w3m;
| ‘w3m’: use emacs-w3m;
| ‘w3m-standalone’: use plain w3m;
| ‘links’: use links;
| ‘lynx’: use lynx;
| ‘html2text’: use html2text.
`
In my experience the default, shr, is preferable for HTML email.
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Subject of PGP-encrypted emails
I just installed Thunderbird on my nephew's new school-computer (I'm not starting him on Emacs just yet) and tried out the built-in PGP-support. I noticed that instead of including an unencrypted Subject:-header, it is replaced by "Subject: ..." and then 'filled in' when the message is decrypted. I wonder if anyone has looked into adapting Gnus to do something similar? Or maybe just do the same extraction and 'filling in' of the Subject: when reading an encrypted email sent from Thunderbird. It looks like what Thunderbird does it that it generates an encrypted.asc which decrypts to a MIME message, which has a part that includes the Subject:-header: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="80MRq3onMnRYcWyMqpzN3xR7VKumL3WsW"; protected-headers="v1" Subject: Dette er emnelinien From: Test Testersen To: =?UTF-8?Q?Adam_Sj=c3=b8gren?= Message-ID: So the display-part is perhaps easier than the sending part. I also noticed that Thunderbird included an Autocrypt:-header, which seems to include the public key of the sender - I haven't looked into it, but it might be worth adding support for that in Gnus as well? Or maybe it's a waste of bandwidth... Best regards, Adam -- "Our voodoo-dolls are full of hopes" Adam Sjøgren a...@koldfront.dk
Re: fcc with nnml mail spool
Adam Sjøgren writes: > (I guess you could just set your archive method to be your regular > nnml-method - I'm not sure why I split them back in ancient times.) I know why now - I followed the example in the manual almost to the letter, only changing nnfolder to nnml: · https://www.gnus.org/manual/gnus_75.html#Archived-Messages :-), Adam -- "It's kind of important to have peace on earth." Adam Sjøgren a...@koldfront.dk ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: fcc with nnml mail spool
Roland writes:
> How can one achieve the same thing with the nnml mail spool?
I use the archiving functionality in Gnus for this. It adds a
(Gnus-specific) header to news articles like this:
Gcc: nnml+archive:news-2021
For email I have configured it to add this:
Gcc: nnml+archive:news-2021
I have set gnus-message-archive-method in .gnus to this:
'(nnml "archive"
(nnml-directory "~/Mail/archive")
(nnml-active-file "~/Mail/archive/active")
(nnml-get-new-mail nil)
(gnus-search-engine gnus-search-notmuch)
(nnml-inhibit-expiry t))
and then I have:
(setq gnus-message-archive-group
'((if (message-news-p)
(concat "news-" (format-time-string "%Y"))
(concat "mail-" (format-time-string "%Y")
which does the {news,mail}-{year} part.
I also set gnus-gcc-mark-as-read to t, because I want the archived
messages to be marked as read automatically.
(I guess you could just set your archive method to be your regular
nnml-method - I'm not sure why I split them back in ancient times.)
I hope this helps!
Best regards,
Adam
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Re: Does Washing work for IMAP backend?
Pankaj writes:
> (custom-set-variables
> '(nnmail-list-identifiers
>'("[ABC Forum]")))
The value is interpreted as regexes, so you might want some \\'s before
the brackets.
But if nothing at all happens, I guess that's not it.
Just setting e.g.:
(setq gnus-list-identifiers
'("\\[External\\]"))
works for me (both for email and news) - not touching any hooks. Hm,
wait, that's another variable!
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Re: ‘Reply’ vs ‘followup’
Dmitry writes: > As for ‘f’ and ‘F’, they do _not_ stay for ‘forwarding’, but for > ‘following-up’. Contrary to what @a...@koldfront.dk have said [0], > they are _not_ for posting to [news]group only, This is what I wrote: For newsgroups (e.g. Gmane) R sends to the author only, and F sends to the group. (S W sends to both.) For email, you can think of R in Gnus as "Reply", and F as "Reply All". I don't understand how you get from that to '"F" is for newsgroups only' - that is clearly not what I wrote. Best regards, Adam -- "Well, you walk into the room like a camel and thenAdam Sjøgren you frown You put your eyes in your pocket an your a...@koldfront.dk nose on the ground" ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Test email
Rafi writes: > 1. I am using Gmail as the backend and received Dmitry Alexandrov's > reply in my inbox, but for some reason your reply wasn't there. I am > replying to you from the gmane group in gnus. It's a common "problem" with mailing lists: Some people reply both to the mailing list and directly to the person, some people only reply to the mailing list. The first strategy is useful if the person writing on the mailing list isn't subscribed to it. (I find that an odd thing to do, and with Gmane, where following a mailing list is very low friction, even more so). There are some headers you can set to indicate your preference, but not many email clients understand them. > 2. What is the difference between replying and forwarding in mailing > lists? I think you are thinking of R.eply and F.ollow up? For newsgroups (e.g. Gmane) R sends to the author only, and F sends to the group. (S W sends to both.) For email, you can think of R in Gnus as "Reply", and F as "Reply All". It's more complicated than that (of course, this is Emacs), but it's a reasonable first approximation. F and R quote the previous email, f and r don't. I usually want to follow up in the newsgroup, rather than replying only to the author, so to be reminded if I hit the wrong button, I've (asked around, and somebody provided this small snippet to) add to my ~/.gnus: ; Warn if replying from a newsgroup: (defadvice gnus-summary-reply (around asjo-reply-in-news activate) (interactive) (when (or (not (gnus-news-group-p gnus-newsgroup-name)) (y-or-n-p "Really reply? ")) ad-do-it)) which makes Gnus ask me if I really want to email the author instead of following up in the newsgroup, if I happen to. Best reards, Adam -- "Ride the tail of rhymeAdam Sjøgren Break the legs of time a...@koldfront.dk Snap its spine" ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: gmail
Adam Sjøgren writes: > (setq gnus-select-method '(nnimap "gmail" > (nnimap-address "imap.gmail.com"))) > > And in your .authinfo.gpg: > > machine imap.gmail.com login "...@gmail.com" password > port imap ^^ This should just say "gmail", to match the name of the select method, I think, by the way. Best regards, Adam -- "I will highly appreciate someone thinking out a Adam Sjøgren counterargument, that is, a good idea." a...@koldfront.dk ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: gmail
Richmond writes:
>> Just to be certain, you removed the (nnimap-stream ssl) when you tried
>> imap, right?
> No I didn't. What do you mean by trying imap instead? I thought I was
> using imap. I thought you meant use "imap" instead of a port number.
I mean use imap, as in "IMAP (with STARTTLS)", instead of imaps, as in
"IMAP over SSL".
I don't know if it makes a difference, I just know what I could connect
using imap (but without two factor and with less secure turned on).
So what I suggest that you try this in your .gnus:
(setq gnus-select-method '(nnimap "gmail"
(nnimap-address "imap.gmail.com")))
And in your .authinfo.gpg:
machine imap.gmail.com login "...@gmail.com" password
port imap
It's a longshot, admitted.
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Re: gmail
Richmond writes: > I tried both imap and imaps (instead of 993) but it made no difference. Just to be certain, you removed the (nnimap-stream ssl) when you tried imap, right? In that case, I'm out of ideas. Best regards, Adam -- "There's such a glut of celebrities that they'll Adam Sjøgren soon have to begin storing the surplus in silos in a...@koldfront.dk Iowa." ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: gmail
Richmond writes: > Here is what I have in .gnus > > (setq gnus-select-method '(nnimap "gmail" > 8 (nnimap-address "imap.gmail.com") > 9 (nnimap-server-port 993) > 10 (nnimap-stream ssl) > 11 (nnimap-logout-timeout 60.0))) > > And in .authinfo > > machine imap.gmail.com login "...@gmail.com" password > port 993 Maybe try with imap instead (Gnus automatically does STARTTLS)? Best regards, Adam -- "Language design is being taken over by hackers. Adam Sjøgren The results so far are messy, but encouraging." a...@koldfront.dk ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: gmail
Richmond writes: > "This setting is not available for accounts with 2-Step Verification > enabled. Such accounts require an application-specific password for less > secure apps access. Learn more" Ah, I don't have 2-step verification enabled in Gmail. I guess you need to get an application-specific password then? > So I don't understand. I am able to use seamonkey and claws-mail with an > app password, and it used to work with gnus. I am using ssl on port 993. Maybe Gmail has changed? Does it work if you try with the app-specific password and specifying "port imap" in .authinfo.gpg (that's what used)? Best regards, Adam -- "Language design is being taken over by hackers. Adam Sjøgren The results so far are messy, but encouraging." a...@koldfront.dk ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: gmail
Richmond writes: > Has gnus stopped working with gmail? I think I read maybe about some > changes to gmail. It seemsyou have to turn on "Less secure app access" in Gmail for IMAP authentication using password to work these days: I guess they want people to use OAuth2, or something along those lines... Best regards, Adam -- "Did I ask too much, more than a lot? Adam Sjøgren You gave me nothing, now that's all I got" a...@koldfront.dk ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Gnus notification of replies to my articles
Eric writes:
> You could try adding an entry along the lines of
>
> ("references"
> ("" 100 nil r))
>
> to your .SCORE file where the regex is something that matches your
> emails, i.e. the typical message-id of your emails (which, for instance,
> is <7ywo7skzgd@gmx.com> for the article I'm responding to). What I
> don't know is whether there is a regex that would work generally to
> identify your articles. Message IDs are a mystery to me.
Yes, that works.
I have this in my all.SCORE:
("references"
("<87[0-9a-z]+\\.fsf\\(_-_\\)?@.*koldfront.dk>" nil nil r))
I think the way Gnus generates Message-IDs, the first two chars are
stable per machine (or perhaps user), or something like that.
Best regards,
Adam
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Re: Idle Time to Poll Serve
Richmond writes: > So much time and effort replaced with one line! Gnus in a nutshell: so much time and effort saved, when you find the right line. :-), Adam -- "I love loopholes." Adam Sjøgren a...@koldfront.dk ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Idle Time to Poll Serve
As your approach is giving you problems, maybe it would make sense to look into Gnus' demons? · http://gnus.org/manual/gnus_119.html#Daemons I use this: ; Demon to fetch email every 5 minutes when Emacs has been idle for 5 minutes: (gnus-demon-add-handler 'gnus-demon-scan-news 5 5) ; Demon to send queued email every other minute: (gnus-demon-add-handler 'gnus-delay-send-queue 1 nil) (gnus-demon-init) To my surprise, the manual doesn't mention gnus-demon-scan-news, which I would think was the most obvious one to write about... Hm, maybe it is obsolete? I guess this is the current way: ,[ C-h f gnus-demon-add-rescan RET ] | gnus-demon-add-rescan is an autoloaded compiled Lisp function in | ‘gnus-demon.el’. | | (gnus-demon-add-rescan) | | Add daemonic scanning of new articles from all backends. ` ? Best regards, Adam -- "Lidt som at skylle en pose lakridskonfekt ned med Adam Sjøgren en flaske Kahlua, men det kan jo også have sin a...@koldfront.dk egen diskrete charme" ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Colours gone
Richmond writes: > OK what-face says the face in question is gnus-summary-high-read-face That face was marked as obsolete in 2009: commit 3d493bef43be9d2cc91152043103156d5717d33f Author: Glenn Morris Date: Wed Sep 2 03:04:15 2009 + Mark face aliases with "-face" in the name as obsolete. · http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/?id=3d493bef43 I guess after 11 years it finally got removed. Yup: commit 66d83ce01125e8029efa454ece4e39e9567805e2 Author: Glenn Morris Date: Wed Jan 10 15:39:06 2018 -0500 Remove Gnus face aliases obsolete since 22.1 * lisp/gnus/gnus-art.el, lisp/gnus/gnus-cite.el: * lisp/gnus/gnus-srvr.el, lisp/gnus/gnus.el: * lisp/gnus/spam.el: Remove face "-face" aliases, obsolete since 22.1. · http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/?id=66d83ce011 Ok, only 8½ years later. So you'll probably have to remove "-face" in some places in your configuration. Best regards, Adam -- "You gotta realize, you can kill somebody with Adam Sjøgren kindness too." a...@koldfront.dk ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
