Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work?

2017-06-06 Thread Maren Hachmann 
Am 06.06.2017 um 14:20 schrieb brynn:
> Hi Marietta and Everyone,
>That was my fault.  When you first messaged me, I didn't notice
> that you messaged me privately, off-list.  So everything I said, I
> thought everyone else was reading (except for the last one, where I
> realized it, and shared some personal info).
> 
>One of the things I said, which I thought the whole list was
> seeing, is getting Marietta's account connected with the manual.  

- No need to do that. Just join the group as is described in the email
that started this, then start working :)

> I
> couldn't figure out how to do it.  I can see, apparently, everyone who
> is reg'd for Floss Manuals profiles.  But I don't see how to get into
> them to change anything.  I'm not sure if that has happened yet?  Looks
> like not?  I'll send Maren your username, and she can get it set properly.
> 
>Maren (it's Maren, not Marten) could be called the project
> manager, but C R and I are also co-admins (just in case Maren is not
> available for some urgent admin-level need).

- It's Elisa, CR and you, Brynn, who have admin permissions, in addition
to myself as the 'owner' of the book - which doesn't amount to much,
because there's not really a lot that an admin can do more than a normal
user.

This has been done to ensure that there will be someone at the Hackfest
who does have access to all the functionality, in case it's needed, and
to have a fallback who can create new versions, in case something
happens to me ;-) (we do have too little redundancy in this project in
many places).
Also, to honor the people who have shown the largest interest in this
with some additional responsibility :P

Kind Regards,
 Maren




>For everyone else, Marietta certainly has the kind of skills we
> can use in this project!  It's up to her whether, or how much she wants
> to participate. Marietta, you could certainly jump in, even if you just
> notice a word or phrase which could be better.  Just to get your feet
> wet (as soon as your account is set properly).
> 
>When you see that you're set up, go to the Notes tab, and read
> through the guidelines.  Then you can decide if there's something you'd
> like to do.
> 
>Sorry for the mix-up.  And congrats for sticking with it, and
> speaking up again.
> 
> All best,
> brynn
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Marietta Walker
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 12:20 PM
> To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new
> manual work?
> 
> Thank you Marten,
> 
> I have been in touch with Brynn and I have offered to help if I can.
> But I too was wondering who is the Project Manager, handling the task
> analysis and the work assignments.  I really don't think you can have a
> project of this level, with multiple people involved, and not have
> someone assessing skill levels, tracking task completion, determining
> milestones, and communicating progress.
> 
> Your Project Manager must also be given the authority to ask questions
> related to the tasks and resources needed to complete the assigned
> progress and to expect an answer. I have been waiting for someone to
> contact me related to the skill set I possess to let me know if I can
> help at all.
> 
> Brynn I am sorry, I thought you were the Project Manager, so I shared my
> skill set with you, thinking you were putting together people and skills.
> 
> Maren seems to be moving along and as she mentioned, you do need someone
> familiar with Inkscape, which I am not.  I just started using it a few
> months ago to do basic 2D drawings for quilting projects.
> 
> If I can help, I will be glad to do so, but I do have limitations in
> knowing the software.
> 
> Regards
> Marietta
> 
> On 6/4/2017 10:09 AM, Martin Owens wrote:
>> Can someone help Maren?
>>
>> I feel like a news article and a deviantArt post would be useful for
>> drumming up volunteers.
>>
>> But also, for a project director when just getting started, it's useful
>> to hand out jobs, so people know that they are needed and that they
>> don't have to think too much about which of the jobs they should do
>> while figuring out the software/editing platform.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Best Regards, Martin Owens
>>
>> On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 14:46 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote:
>>> CR, I have been translating (and fixing contents as I go) 1-2
>>> chapters
>>> each day for the last 2.5 weeks and am more than halfway through (35
>>> chapters done, 24 left to do). There wasn't anyone else to be seen
>>> around, after the first week, when one person translated a chapter
>>&

Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work?

2017-06-06 Thread Marietta Walker 

Hi all,

I have set myself up with Trello in order to track notes and completion 
of Chapter review..  (Just to let everyone know I will not be actually 
editing chapters, only providing feedback to Maren on those things I 
need to. )


I digress. Trello is free and easy to use.  It has taken me about ten 
minutes to figure it out and set my self up with a checklist, which I am 
now working on breaking into Sub-heading groups.


With that said, if anyone would like to join me there to create 
checklists /progress tracking,  If everyone jumped in to use, we could 
also let the group know where we are because I have made it public for 
viewing.


So if you want to check it out-here is the link. 
https://trello.com/b/5MTvCikC/inkscape


If you want to use it, then create an account and then send me your info.

Regards
Marietta

On 6/4/2017 6:10 PM, Marietta Walker wrote:

I think it will suit me perfectly.

Thanks--Marietta

On 6/4/2017 5:55 PM, Maren Hachmann wrote:

Thank you, Marietta, Carl, and Martin for pointing me into the right
direction (hopefully) and for calling for help, and volunteering your
time :)

I'm glad to know that people are still interested in helping, but might
just not have known how (or, in CR's case, are too busy with other stuff
- believe me, I understand).
Guess I got too used to the standard open source theme of 'grab a task
and do it if you're up to it' - and I'm also kind of shy about telling
others what to do. I'm sorry about not getting that I should take on a
more active, guiding role, to make it easier for new members to join.

@Marietta: What do you think about Martin's suggestion?

Kind Regards,
  Maren


Am 04.06.2017 um 22:52 schrieb Martin Owens:

On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 13:20 -0500, Marietta Walker wrote:

If I can help, I will be glad to do so, but I do have limitations
in knowing the software.

You would make a good editor then, both in the generic sense for
English grammar and the functional sense in 'do you understand this'

Is this something you'd be good at helping with?

Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work?

2017-06-06 Thread brynn 

Hi Marietta and Everyone,
   That was my fault.  When you first messaged me, I didn't notice that you 
messaged me privately, off-list.  So everything I said, I thought everyone else 
was reading (except for the last one, where I realized it, and shared some 
personal info).


   One of the things I said, which I thought the whole list was seeing, is 
getting Marietta's account connected with the manual.  I couldn't figure out how 
to do it.  I can see, apparently, everyone who is reg'd for Floss Manuals 
profiles.  But I don't see how to get into them to change anything.  I'm not 
sure if that has happened yet?  Looks like not?  I'll send Maren your username, 
and she can get it set properly.


   Maren (it's Maren, not Marten) could be called the project manager, but 
C R and I are also co-admins (just in case Maren is not available for some 
urgent admin-level need).


   For everyone else, Marietta certainly has the kind of skills we can use 
in this project!  It's up to her whether, or how much she wants to participate. 
Marietta, you could certainly jump in, even if you just notice a word or phrase 
which could be better.  Just to get your feet wet (as soon as your account is 
set properly).


   When you see that you're set up, go to the Notes tab, and read through 
the guidelines.  Then you can decide if there's something you'd like to do.


   Sorry for the mix-up.  And congrats for sticking with it, and speaking 
up again.


All best,
brynn


-Original Message- 
From: Marietta Walker

Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 12:20 PM
To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual 
work?


Thank you Marten,

I have been in touch with Brynn and I have offered to help if I can.
But I too was wondering who is the Project Manager, handling the task
analysis and the work assignments.  I really don't think you can have a
project of this level, with multiple people involved, and not have
someone assessing skill levels, tracking task completion, determining
milestones, and communicating progress.

Your Project Manager must also be given the authority to ask questions
related to the tasks and resources needed to complete the assigned
progress and to expect an answer. I have been waiting for someone to
contact me related to the skill set I possess to let me know if I can
help at all.

Brynn I am sorry, I thought you were the Project Manager, so I shared my
skill set with you, thinking you were putting together people and skills.

Maren seems to be moving along and as she mentioned, you do need someone
familiar with Inkscape, which I am not.  I just started using it a few
months ago to do basic 2D drawings for quilting projects.

If I can help, I will be glad to do so, but I do have limitations in
knowing the software.

Regards
Marietta

On 6/4/2017 10:09 AM, Martin Owens wrote:

Can someone help Maren?

I feel like a news article and a deviantArt post would be useful for
drumming up volunteers.

But also, for a project director when just getting started, it's useful
to hand out jobs, so people know that they are needed and that they
don't have to think too much about which of the jobs they should do
while figuring out the software/editing platform.

Thoughts?

Best Regards, Martin Owens

On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 14:46 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote:

CR, I have been translating (and fixing contents as I go) 1-2
chapters
each day for the last 2.5 weeks and am more than halfway through (35
chapters done, 24 left to do). There wasn't anyone else to be seen
around, after the first week, when one person translated a chapter
(unfortunately they picked the only one that needs to be rewritten
from
scratch, because Inkscape changed), and two people proofread a couple
of
chapters (thank you!!!). Well, and a couple of days ago, someone
seems
to have accidentally wiped all the notes on the book, that were
supposed
to help get people started (or maybe it was a platform bug).

I'd be glad to see some proofreading and styling/screenshooting
people
get on board, so we can continue seamlessly after I'm through with
translating.

I'm a bit disappointed about everyone being so engaged and vocal
about
helping/liking the action, and now me working on it alone for > 2
weeks
already.
But that's normal, I guess - it was the reason why I haven't started
this earlier, and I felt ready to take it on now, no matter what.

Anyway, I'm going to continue to plow through, then translations will
be
ready before the hackfest. In parallel, I'm going to be plowing
through
my new garden, and to help fix up someone else's house, so I expect
to
not have time for much else.

I'd be glad if someone could try and reengage people to help with the
manual (preferably people who are able to work independently and know
Inkscape inside out, or who concentrate on something they really do
well, like fixing up language or styling).

There are more than enough open ta

Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work?

2017-06-05 Thread Jabier Arraiza 
Celiac label

On Mon, 2017-06-05 at 23:03 +0100, C R wrote:
> Okay, finished an initial version of the cover for the beginners
> guide.
> Yes, it's all in Inkscape. :)
> 
> Here's a png:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/h4n88xpnc6declz/inkscape_cover_beginner_man
> ual.png?dl=0
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Martin Owens 
> wrote:
> > Can someone help Maren?
> > 
> > I feel like a news article and a deviantArt post would be useful
> > for
> > drumming up volunteers.
> > 
> > But also, for a project director when just getting started, it's
> > useful
> > to hand out jobs, so people know that they are needed and that they
> > don't have to think too much about which of the jobs they should do
> > while figuring out the software/editing platform.
> > 
> > Thoughts?
> > 
> > Best Regards, Martin Owens
> > 
> > On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 14:46 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote:
> > > CR, I have been translating (and fixing contents as I go) 1-2
> > > chapters
> > > each day for the last 2.5 weeks and am more than halfway through
> > > (35
> > > chapters done, 24 left to do). There wasn't anyone else to be
> > > seen
> > > around, after the first week, when one person translated a
> > > chapter
> > > (unfortunately they picked the only one that needs to be
> > > rewritten
> > > from
> > > scratch, because Inkscape changed), and two people proofread a
> > > couple
> > > of
> > > chapters (thank you!!!). Well, and a couple of days ago, someone
> > > seems
> > > to have accidentally wiped all the notes on the book, that were
> > > supposed
> > > to help get people started (or maybe it was a platform bug).
> > > 
> > > I'd be glad to see some proofreading and styling/screenshooting
> > > people
> > > get on board, so we can continue seamlessly after I'm through
> > > with
> > > translating.
> > > 
> > > I'm a bit disappointed about everyone being so engaged and vocal
> > > about
> > > helping/liking the action, and now me working on it alone for > 2
> > > weeks
> > > already.
> > > But that's normal, I guess - it was the reason why I haven't
> > > started
> > > this earlier, and I felt ready to take it on now, no matter what.
> > > 
> > > Anyway, I'm going to continue to plow through, then translations
> > > will
> > > be
> > > ready before the hackfest. In parallel, I'm going to be plowing
> > > through
> > > my new garden, and to help fix up someone else's house, so I
> > > expect
> > > to
> > > not have time for much else.
> > > 
> > > I'd be glad if someone could try and reengage people to help with
> > > the
> > > manual (preferably people who are able to work independently and
> > > know
> > > Inkscape inside out, or who concentrate on something they really
> > > do
> > > well, like fixing up language or styling).
> > > 
> > > There are more than enough open tasks:
> > > from CSS to cover design, to screenshooting, to consistency
> > > checking
> > > and
> > > layouting, to improving on my more or less weird English, to
> > > adding
> > > missing content (or perhaps, translating, of course).
> > > 
> > > And yet, when we do this, I think it's important to take care to
> > > honor
> > > the underlying 'Keep it simple and as short as possible' concept
> > > of
> > > the
> > > book, which would make it possible for young teenagers to use it
> > > to
> > > get
> > > started, without much theoretical ballast.
> > > Elisa seems to have invested a *lot* of thought into how she
> > > built up
> > > the chapters and when to start teaching which concept. I suspect
> > > her
> > > concept stems from experience in teaching live Inkscape courses.
> > > 
> > >  Maren
> > > 
> > > Am 04.06.2017 um 13:32 schrieb C R:
> > > > 
> > > > I'd say let's wait and do a progress report, so we can say that
> > > > we're
> > > > making progress on it, rather than just that we've decided to
> > > > do
> > > > it. I
> > > > plan on helping this area of the project much more after I
> > > > handle
> > > > the
> > > > hackfest swag. It would be better to have a more or less
> > > > complete
> > > > manual before we announce it to the public, unless it's a call
> > > > for
> > > > help with it.
> > > > 
> > > > If it's a call for help with that area of the project, then go
> > > > ahead, though. :)
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks for the amazing amount of work you're doing for the
> > > > project,
> > > > brynn. It's definitely helping drive my own motivation for
> > > > Inkscape
> > > > project work. :)
> > > > 
> > > > -C
> > > > 
> > > > On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 12:17 PM, brynn  wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hi Friends,
> > > > >    As I'm writing up a quick draft to announce the
> > > > > upcoming
> > > > > hackfest, I
> > > > > suddenly wondered if it might be a good idea to write a short
> > > > > item about the
> > > > > recent new work on the new manual?
> > > > > 
> > > > >    I could do that, after I finish the hackfest
> > > > > article.  I'm
> > > > > thinking
> > > > > Maren might be able to

Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work?

2017-06-04 Thread Marietta Walker 

I think it will suit me perfectly.

Thanks--Marietta

On 6/4/2017 5:55 PM, Maren Hachmann wrote:

Thank you, Marietta, Carl, and Martin for pointing me into the right
direction (hopefully) and for calling for help, and volunteering your
time :)

I'm glad to know that people are still interested in helping, but might
just not have known how (or, in CR's case, are too busy with other stuff
- believe me, I understand).
Guess I got too used to the standard open source theme of 'grab a task
and do it if you're up to it' - and I'm also kind of shy about telling
others what to do. I'm sorry about not getting that I should take on a
more active, guiding role, to make it easier for new members to join.

@Marietta: What do you think about Martin's suggestion?

Kind Regards,
  Maren


Am 04.06.2017 um 22:52 schrieb Martin Owens:

On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 13:20 -0500, Marietta Walker wrote:

If I can help, I will be glad to do so, but I do have limitations
in knowing the software.

You would make a good editor then, both in the generic sense for
English grammar and the functional sense in 'do you understand this'

Is this something you'd be good at helping with?

Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work?

2017-06-04 Thread Maren Hachmann 
Thank you, Marietta, Carl, and Martin for pointing me into the right
direction (hopefully) and for calling for help, and volunteering your
time :)

I'm glad to know that people are still interested in helping, but might
just not have known how (or, in CR's case, are too busy with other stuff
- believe me, I understand).
Guess I got too used to the standard open source theme of 'grab a task
and do it if you're up to it' - and I'm also kind of shy about telling
others what to do. I'm sorry about not getting that I should take on a
more active, guiding role, to make it easier for new members to join.

@Marietta: What do you think about Martin's suggestion?

Kind Regards,
 Maren


Am 04.06.2017 um 22:52 schrieb Martin Owens:
> On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 13:20 -0500, Marietta Walker wrote:
>> If I can help, I will be glad to do so, but I do have limitations
>> in knowing the software.
> 
> You would make a good editor then, both in the generic sense for 
> English grammar and the functional sense in 'do you understand this'
> 
> Is this something you'd be good at helping with?
> 
> Best Regards, Martin Owens
> 
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work?

2017-06-04 Thread Maren Hachmann 
Hi Jabier (and all who are interested in joining),

thank you for your offer!

You can have a look here, it has most of the info and all the important
links:
https://sourceforge.net/p/inkscape/mailman/message/35841546/

Jabier, maybe you would like to help with the styling or cover design? I
haven't explored all about how much freedom the platform allows us, though.

As this is just a basic, beginners' guide, I think a developer is a bit
overqualified for the contents! We could use your help with contents
later, when (if) we create a more glossary-like manual, for looking
things up. But this would be a separate project, most probably written
on a different platform.

Kind Regards,
 Maren




Am 04.06.2017 um 22:06 schrieb Jabier Arraiza:
> Thanks Maren for your work! I hope soon can get more help. Sorry the
> therad about manual become too long and finaly remove atention from me.
> 
> The manual is a HTML5, Scribus or...?
> Whats the TODO list about this?
> 
> Cheers, Jabier.
> 
> 
> On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 14:46 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote:
>> CR, I have been translating (and fixing contents as I go) 1-2
>> chapters
>> each day for the last 2.5 weeks and am more than halfway through (35
>> chapters done, 24 left to do). There wasn't anyone else to be seen
>> around, after the first week, when one person translated a chapter
>> (unfortunately they picked the only one that needs to be rewritten
>> from
>> scratch, because Inkscape changed), and two people proofread a couple
>> of
>> chapters (thank you!!!). Well, and a couple of days ago, someone
>> seems
>> to have accidentally wiped all the notes on the book, that were
>> supposed
>> to help get people started (or maybe it was a platform bug).
>>
>> I'd be glad to see some proofreading and styling/screenshooting
>> people
>> get on board, so we can continue seamlessly after I'm through with
>> translating.
>>
>> I'm a bit disappointed about everyone being so engaged and vocal
>> about
>> helping/liking the action, and now me working on it alone for > 2
>> weeks
>> already.
>> But that's normal, I guess - it was the reason why I haven't started
>> this earlier, and I felt ready to take it on now, no matter what.
>>
>> Anyway, I'm going to continue to plow through, then translations will
>> be
>> ready before the hackfest. In parallel, I'm going to be plowing
>> through
>> my new garden, and to help fix up someone else's house, so I expect
>> to
>> not have time for much else.
>>
>> I'd be glad if someone could try and reengage people to help with the
>> manual (preferably people who are able to work independently and know
>> Inkscape inside out, or who concentrate on something they really do
>> well, like fixing up language or styling).
>>
>> There are more than enough open tasks:
>> from CSS to cover design, to screenshooting, to consistency checking
>> and
>> layouting, to improving on my more or less weird English, to adding
>> missing content (or perhaps, translating, of course).
>>
>> And yet, when we do this, I think it's important to take care to
>> honor
>> the underlying 'Keep it simple and as short as possible' concept of
>> the
>> book, which would make it possible for young teenagers to use it to
>> get
>> started, without much theoretical ballast.
>> Elisa seems to have invested a *lot* of thought into how she built up
>> the chapters and when to start teaching which concept. I suspect her
>> concept stems from experience in teaching live Inkscape courses.
>>
>>  Maren
>>
>> Am 04.06.2017 um 13:32 schrieb C R:
>>> I'd say let's wait and do a progress report, so we can say that
>>> we're
>>> making progress on it, rather than just that we've decided to do
>>> it. I
>>> plan on helping this area of the project much more after I handle
>>> the
>>> hackfest swag. It would be better to have a more or less complete
>>> manual before we announce it to the public, unless it's a call for
>>> help with it.
>>>
>>> If it's a call for help with that area of the project, then go
>>> ahead, though. :)
>>>
>>> Thanks for the amazing amount of work you're doing for the project,
>>> brynn. It's definitely helping drive my own motivation for Inkscape
>>> project work. :)
>>>
>>> -C
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 12:17 PM, brynn  wrote:
 Hi Friends,
As I'm writing up a quick draft to announce the upcoming
 hackfest, I
 suddenly wondered if it might be a good idea to write a short
 item about the
 recent new work on the new manual?

I could do that, after I finish the hackfest article.  I'm
 thinking
 Maren might be able to get all the details correct, the first
 time around?
 Although I don't mean to volunteer her.  As I said, I could do it
 myself, if
 we decide to do it.

I think it would help in community-building, to keep the
 wider
 community up to date about these things.  What do other manual
 workers and
 Docs list subscribers think?

Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work?

2017-06-04 Thread Martin Owens 
On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 13:20 -0500, Marietta Walker wrote:
> If I can help, I will be glad to do so, but I do have limitations in 
> knowing the software.

You would make a good editor then, both in the generic sense for
English grammar and the functional sense in 'do you understand this'

Is this something you'd be good at helping with?

Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work?

2017-06-04 Thread Jabier Arraiza 
Thanks Maren for your work! I hope soon can get more help. Sorry the
therad about manual become too long and finaly remove atention from me.

The manual is a HTML5, Scribus or...?
Whats the TODO list about this?

Cheers, Jabier.


On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 14:46 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote:
> CR, I have been translating (and fixing contents as I go) 1-2
> chapters
> each day for the last 2.5 weeks and am more than halfway through (35
> chapters done, 24 left to do). There wasn't anyone else to be seen
> around, after the first week, when one person translated a chapter
> (unfortunately they picked the only one that needs to be rewritten
> from
> scratch, because Inkscape changed), and two people proofread a couple
> of
> chapters (thank you!!!). Well, and a couple of days ago, someone
> seems
> to have accidentally wiped all the notes on the book, that were
> supposed
> to help get people started (or maybe it was a platform bug).
> 
> I'd be glad to see some proofreading and styling/screenshooting
> people
> get on board, so we can continue seamlessly after I'm through with
> translating.
> 
> I'm a bit disappointed about everyone being so engaged and vocal
> about
> helping/liking the action, and now me working on it alone for > 2
> weeks
> already.
> But that's normal, I guess - it was the reason why I haven't started
> this earlier, and I felt ready to take it on now, no matter what.
> 
> Anyway, I'm going to continue to plow through, then translations will
> be
> ready before the hackfest. In parallel, I'm going to be plowing
> through
> my new garden, and to help fix up someone else's house, so I expect
> to
> not have time for much else.
> 
> I'd be glad if someone could try and reengage people to help with the
> manual (preferably people who are able to work independently and know
> Inkscape inside out, or who concentrate on something they really do
> well, like fixing up language or styling).
> 
> There are more than enough open tasks:
> from CSS to cover design, to screenshooting, to consistency checking
> and
> layouting, to improving on my more or less weird English, to adding
> missing content (or perhaps, translating, of course).
> 
> And yet, when we do this, I think it's important to take care to
> honor
> the underlying 'Keep it simple and as short as possible' concept of
> the
> book, which would make it possible for young teenagers to use it to
> get
> started, without much theoretical ballast.
> Elisa seems to have invested a *lot* of thought into how she built up
> the chapters and when to start teaching which concept. I suspect her
> concept stems from experience in teaching live Inkscape courses.
> 
>  Maren
> 
> Am 04.06.2017 um 13:32 schrieb C R:
> > I'd say let's wait and do a progress report, so we can say that
> > we're
> > making progress on it, rather than just that we've decided to do
> > it. I
> > plan on helping this area of the project much more after I handle
> > the
> > hackfest swag. It would be better to have a more or less complete
> > manual before we announce it to the public, unless it's a call for
> > help with it.
> > 
> > If it's a call for help with that area of the project, then go
> > ahead, though. :)
> > 
> > Thanks for the amazing amount of work you're doing for the project,
> > brynn. It's definitely helping drive my own motivation for Inkscape
> > project work. :)
> > 
> > -C
> > 
> > On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 12:17 PM, brynn  wrote:
> > > Hi Friends,
> > >    As I'm writing up a quick draft to announce the upcoming
> > > hackfest, I
> > > suddenly wondered if it might be a good idea to write a short
> > > item about the
> > > recent new work on the new manual?
> > > 
> > >    I could do that, after I finish the hackfest article.  I'm
> > > thinking
> > > Maren might be able to get all the details correct, the first
> > > time around?
> > > Although I don't mean to volunteer her.  As I said, I could do it
> > > myself, if
> > > we decide to do it.
> > > 
> > >    I think it would help in community-building, to keep the
> > > wider
> > > community up to date about these things.  What do other manual
> > > workers and
> > > Docs list subscribers think?
> > > 
> > > All best,
> > > brynn
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work?

2017-06-04 Thread Marietta Walker 

Thank you Marten,

I have been in touch with Brynn and I have offered to help if I can.  
But I too was wondering who is the Project Manager, handling the task 
analysis and the work assignments.  I really don't think you can have a 
project of this level, with multiple people involved, and not have 
someone assessing skill levels, tracking task completion, determining 
milestones, and communicating progress.


Your Project Manager must also be given the authority to ask questions 
related to the tasks and resources needed to complete the assigned 
progress and to expect an answer. I have been waiting for someone to 
contact me related to the skill set I possess to let me know if I can 
help at all.


Brynn I am sorry, I thought you were the Project Manager, so I shared my 
skill set with you, thinking you were putting together people and skills.


Maren seems to be moving along and as she mentioned, you do need someone 
familiar with Inkscape, which I am not.  I just started using it a few 
months ago to do basic 2D drawings for quilting projects.


If I can help, I will be glad to do so, but I do have limitations in 
knowing the software.


Regards
Marietta

On 6/4/2017 10:09 AM, Martin Owens wrote:

Can someone help Maren?

I feel like a news article and a deviantArt post would be useful for
drumming up volunteers.

But also, for a project director when just getting started, it's useful
to hand out jobs, so people know that they are needed and that they
don't have to think too much about which of the jobs they should do
while figuring out the software/editing platform.

Thoughts?

Best Regards, Martin Owens

On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 14:46 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote:

CR, I have been translating (and fixing contents as I go) 1-2
chapters
each day for the last 2.5 weeks and am more than halfway through (35
chapters done, 24 left to do). There wasn't anyone else to be seen
around, after the first week, when one person translated a chapter
(unfortunately they picked the only one that needs to be rewritten
from
scratch, because Inkscape changed), and two people proofread a couple
of
chapters (thank you!!!). Well, and a couple of days ago, someone
seems
to have accidentally wiped all the notes on the book, that were
supposed
to help get people started (or maybe it was a platform bug).

I'd be glad to see some proofreading and styling/screenshooting
people
get on board, so we can continue seamlessly after I'm through with
translating.

I'm a bit disappointed about everyone being so engaged and vocal
about
helping/liking the action, and now me working on it alone for > 2
weeks
already.
But that's normal, I guess - it was the reason why I haven't started
this earlier, and I felt ready to take it on now, no matter what.

Anyway, I'm going to continue to plow through, then translations will
be
ready before the hackfest. In parallel, I'm going to be plowing
through
my new garden, and to help fix up someone else's house, so I expect
to
not have time for much else.

I'd be glad if someone could try and reengage people to help with the
manual (preferably people who are able to work independently and know
Inkscape inside out, or who concentrate on something they really do
well, like fixing up language or styling).

There are more than enough open tasks:
from CSS to cover design, to screenshooting, to consistency checking
and
layouting, to improving on my more or less weird English, to adding
missing content (or perhaps, translating, of course).

And yet, when we do this, I think it's important to take care to
honor
the underlying 'Keep it simple and as short as possible' concept of
the
book, which would make it possible for young teenagers to use it to
get
started, without much theoretical ballast.
Elisa seems to have invested a *lot* of thought into how she built up
the chapters and when to start teaching which concept. I suspect her
concept stems from experience in teaching live Inkscape courses.

  Maren

Am 04.06.2017 um 13:32 schrieb C R:

I'd say let's wait and do a progress report, so we can say that
we're
making progress on it, rather than just that we've decided to do
it. I
plan on helping this area of the project much more after I handle
the
hackfest swag. It would be better to have a more or less complete
manual before we announce it to the public, unless it's a call for
help with it.

If it's a call for help with that area of the project, then go
ahead, though. :)

Thanks for the amazing amount of work you're doing for the project,
brynn. It's definitely helping drive my own motivation for Inkscape
project work. :)

-C

On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 12:17 PM, brynn  wrote:

Hi Friends,
As I'm writing up a quick draft to announce the upcoming
hackfest, I
suddenly wondered if it might be a good idea to write a short
item about the
recent new work on the new manual?

I could do that, after I finish the hackfest article.  I'm
thinking
Maren might be able to get all the details correct,

Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work?

2017-06-04 Thread Maren Hachmann 
CR, I have been translating (and fixing contents as I go) 1-2 chapters
each day for the last 2.5 weeks and am more than halfway through (35
chapters done, 24 left to do). There wasn't anyone else to be seen
around, after the first week, when one person translated a chapter
(unfortunately they picked the only one that needs to be rewritten from
scratch, because Inkscape changed), and two people proofread a couple of
chapters (thank you!!!). Well, and a couple of days ago, someone seems
to have accidentally wiped all the notes on the book, that were supposed
to help get people started (or maybe it was a platform bug).

I'd be glad to see some proofreading and styling/screenshooting people
get on board, so we can continue seamlessly after I'm through with
translating.

I'm a bit disappointed about everyone being so engaged and vocal about
helping/liking the action, and now me working on it alone for > 2 weeks
already.
But that's normal, I guess - it was the reason why I haven't started
this earlier, and I felt ready to take it on now, no matter what.

Anyway, I'm going to continue to plow through, then translations will be
ready before the hackfest. In parallel, I'm going to be plowing through
my new garden, and to help fix up someone else's house, so I expect to
not have time for much else.

I'd be glad if someone could try and reengage people to help with the
manual (preferably people who are able to work independently and know
Inkscape inside out, or who concentrate on something they really do
well, like fixing up language or styling).

There are more than enough open tasks:
from CSS to cover design, to screenshooting, to consistency checking and
layouting, to improving on my more or less weird English, to adding
missing content (or perhaps, translating, of course).

And yet, when we do this, I think it's important to take care to honor
the underlying 'Keep it simple and as short as possible' concept of the
book, which would make it possible for young teenagers to use it to get
started, without much theoretical ballast.
Elisa seems to have invested a *lot* of thought into how she built up
the chapters and when to start teaching which concept. I suspect her
concept stems from experience in teaching live Inkscape courses.

 Maren

Am 04.06.2017 um 13:32 schrieb C R:
> I'd say let's wait and do a progress report, so we can say that we're
> making progress on it, rather than just that we've decided to do it. I
> plan on helping this area of the project much more after I handle the
> hackfest swag. It would be better to have a more or less complete
> manual before we announce it to the public, unless it's a call for
> help with it.
> 
> If it's a call for help with that area of the project, then go ahead, though. 
> :)
> 
> Thanks for the amazing amount of work you're doing for the project,
> brynn. It's definitely helping drive my own motivation for Inkscape
> project work. :)
> 
> -C
> 
> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 12:17 PM, brynn  wrote:
>> Hi Friends,
>>As I'm writing up a quick draft to announce the upcoming hackfest, I
>> suddenly wondered if it might be a good idea to write a short item about the
>> recent new work on the new manual?
>>
>>I could do that, after I finish the hackfest article.  I'm thinking
>> Maren might be able to get all the details correct, the first time around?
>> Although I don't mean to volunteer her.  As I said, I could do it myself, if
>> we decide to do it.
>>
>>I think it would help in community-building, to keep the wider
>> community up to date about these things.  What do other manual workers and
>> Docs list subscribers think?
>>
>> All best,
>> brynn
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work?

2017-06-04 Thread brynn 

Oh, well thanks for your kind words :-)

It could be both an announcement and a call for more help.  At least the 
translation part, I wonder if we could use more help?


As I and I think others have said, this would be a great gateway project for 
bringing in new talent and having more active users.


Although perhaps there's some reason that I don't see, not to bring in beginners 
to the development side, on this particular project?


Thanks,
brynn

-Original Message- 
From: C R

Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 5:32 AM
To: brynn
Cc: Inkscape-Docs ; Inkscape-Devel
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work?

I'd say let's wait and do a progress report, so we can say that we're
making progress on it, rather than just that we've decided to do it. I
plan on helping this area of the project much more after I handle the
hackfest swag. It would be better to have a more or less complete
manual before we announce it to the public, unless it's a call for
help with it.

If it's a call for help with that area of the project, then go ahead, though. :)

Thanks for the amazing amount of work you're doing for the project,
brynn. It's definitely helping drive my own motivation for Inkscape
project work. :)

-C

On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 12:17 PM, brynn  wrote:

Hi Friends,
   As I'm writing up a quick draft to announce the upcoming hackfest, I
suddenly wondered if it might be a good idea to write a short item about the
recent new work on the new manual?

   I could do that, after I finish the hackfest article.  I'm thinking
Maren might be able to get all the details correct, the first time around?
Although I don't mean to volunteer her.  As I said, I could do it myself, if
we decide to do it.

   I think it would help in community-building, to keep the wider
community up to date about these things.  What do other manual workers and
Docs list subscribers think?

All best,
brynn



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