Re: [Interest] Interest Digest, Vol 114, Issue 39
On 3/28/21 7:31 PM, Scott Bloom wrote: Short answer from the customer (yep commercial version here) is no. We were told by support, here is what YOU will have to get working. Scott And here we see the flaw of the model. "Support contract only" commercialized OpenSource projects don't drop a paying platform. True, they may start charging a lot more to keep it around. IBM did this with the System 36. Kept raising the price of the annual support contract until it cost more than replacing the machine with an AS/400. To have a "Support contract only" model though, the bug database has to be reasonably clean. Fixed, not just deleted. -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net http://www.johnsmith-book.com http://www.logikalblog.com http://www.interestingauthors.com/blog ___ Interest mailing list Interest@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/interest
Re: [Interest] Interest Digest, Vol 114, Issue 39
Short answer from the customer (yep commercial version here) is no. We were told by support, here is what YOU will have to get working. Scott -Original Message- From: Interest On Behalf Of Roland Hughes Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2021 3:24 AM To: interest@qt-project.org Subject: Re: [Interest] Interest Digest, Vol 114, Issue 39 So, Just to be clear. You are saying QtC has the latest version of Qt 5.x compiling and running on Scott's RHEL version though Qt-project does not? That somewhere inside QtC all the compiler and OS versions abandoned by Qt-project mid Qt 5 have shiny happy versions of the latest 5.x? If one defines "platform" as compiler version + OS version (to make wording simple) it would seem to me that one Qt-project abandoned it and started writing to newer compiler and platform version it would become impossible to make a working fork. We had this problem with compiler standards quite a few years ago. C++11 was supposed to be the minimum supported but the CI was (and probably still is) compiling with only the latest standard. I ran headlong into this when people were using stuff from from a much later C++ standard in the examples and I think a few other places. Once they start using things that don't exist, or worse, exist differently, getting there from here is a very difficult journey. On 3/27/2021 3:23 AM, interest-requ...@qt-project.org wrote: > “When Qt chased these markets it knew what the lifetimes would be. Now it has > abandoned them.” > > I would like to point out that this is not a true statement. We do offer long > term support and also extended support for those customers who need it. There > are some who every now and then still need something related to Qt 3. > Somewhere Qt 2 is still in use. Perhaps Qt 1 even, but personally not certain > about that. Qt 4 based systems of course and majority of customers are with > Qt 5 currently. > > Each of these versions has changed API and we have tried our best to make the > transition from Qt 5 to Qt 6 smooth. We are happy to get suggestions and > feedback to it still and help in the transition. -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 (cell) http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net http://www.johnsmith-book.com ___ Interest mailing list Interest@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/interest ___ Interest mailing list Interest@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/interest
Re: [Interest] Interest Digest, Vol 114, Issue 39
So, Just to be clear. You are saying QtC has the latest version of Qt 5.x compiling and running on Scott's RHEL version though Qt-project does not? That somewhere inside QtC all the compiler and OS versions abandoned by Qt-project mid Qt 5 have shiny happy versions of the latest 5.x? If one defines "platform" as compiler version + OS version (to make wording simple) it would seem to me that one Qt-project abandoned it and started writing to newer compiler and platform version it would become impossible to make a working fork. We had this problem with compiler standards quite a few years ago. C++11 was supposed to be the minimum supported but the CI was (and probably still is) compiling with only the latest standard. I ran headlong into this when people were using stuff from from a much later C++ standard in the examples and I think a few other places. Once they start using things that don't exist, or worse, exist differently, getting there from here is a very difficult journey. On 3/27/2021 3:23 AM, interest-requ...@qt-project.org wrote: “When Qt chased these markets it knew what the lifetimes would be. Now it has abandoned them.” I would like to point out that this is not a true statement. We do offer long term support and also extended support for those customers who need it. There are some who every now and then still need something related to Qt 3. Somewhere Qt 2 is still in use. Perhaps Qt 1 even, but personally not certain about that. Qt 4 based systems of course and majority of customers are with Qt 5 currently. Each of these versions has changed API and we have tried our best to make the transition from Qt 5 to Qt 6 smooth. We are happy to get suggestions and feedback to it still and help in the transition. -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 (cell) http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net http://www.johnsmith-book.com ___ Interest mailing list Interest@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/interest
