Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [PRE-VOTE] Remove the date.timezone warning
On Mon, 16 Feb 2015, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote: On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Stanislav Malyshev smalys...@gmail.com wrote: Are you sure that the ini file is created by the package maintainer and it includes the “date.timezone” setting is true? Last time I checked it I my experience, it is unfortunately not universally true - I've seen Linux distros with ini files that don't do that. Setting TZ correctly would require some non-trivial script work, and I'm guessing whoever did the package did not want to do this work. In an earlier thread I posted what Debian needed to do. It's trivial. They could of course just put UTC there but that didn't happen either. I agree. The difficulty is choosing the right one. Linux is multi user system and users may have their own locale settings. System's default and user's default may differ also. Distributor cannot choose the right timezone automatically. If it's impossible to determine right one automatically, PHP shall have reasonable default which would be UTC. The only reasonable thing is to let people chose what they want. That means, we do *not* set the timezone by default. If distribution maintainers want to pick something for their users, that's fine, but I am vehemently against removing this warning. cheers, Derick -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP-DEV] [RFC] [PRE-VOTE] Remove the date.timezone warning
I'm probably going to put this into vote tomorrow. The RFC got some update from neutrality aspect and covers some feedback from the initial discussion thread. The link is: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/date.timezone_warning_removal https://wiki.php.net/rfc/date.timezone_warning_removal Bob
Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [PRE-VOTE] Remove the date.timezone warning
On 15/02/2015 19:02, Bob Weinand wrote: I'm probably going to put this into vote tomorrow. The RFC got some update from neutrality aspect and covers some feedback from the initial discussion thread. The link is: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/date.timezone_warning_removal https://wiki.php.net/rfc/date.timezone_warning_removal Are you sure that the ini file is created by the package maintainer and it includes the “date.timezone” setting is true? Last time I checked it wasn't true across the board, so it's sounds more like wishful thinking at the moment. But I could be wrong, indeed. The current behaviour is also not described properly. The warning is displayed the first time some date/time functionality is employed. And while I'd agree that generally speaking date.timezone is not the most important setting, in that very moment it most likely is. Your particular problem could be easily fixed by using a common --with-prefix=/opt/php-build and putting the timezone in /opt/php-build/lib/php.ini, so I don't understand the urgency to change the behaviour for everyone... Anyway, let the voting begin ;) Cheers -- Matteo Beccati Development Consulting - http://www.beccati.com/ -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [PRE-VOTE] Remove the date.timezone warning
On 02/15/2015 08:28 PM, Matteo Beccati wrote: On 15/02/2015 19:02, Bob Weinand wrote: I'm probably going to put this into vote tomorrow. The RFC got some update from neutrality aspect and covers some feedback from the initial discussion thread. The link is: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/date.timezone_warning_removal https://wiki.php.net/rfc/date.timezone_warning_removal Are you sure that the ini file is created by the package maintainer and it includes the “date.timezone” setting is true? Last time I checked it wasn't true across the board, so it's sounds more like wishful thinking at the moment. But I could be wrong, indeed. Gentoo uses one of the php.ini files from the tarball without any modifications. -- Ole Markus -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [PRE-VOTE] Remove the date.timezone warning
Hi! Are you sure that the ini file is created by the package maintainer and it includes the “date.timezone” setting is true? Last time I checked it I my experience, it is unfortunately not universally true - I've seen Linux distros with ini files that don't do that. Setting TZ correctly would require some non-trivial script work, and I'm guessing whoever did the package did not want to do this work. They could of course just put UTC there but that didn't happen either. -- Stas Malyshev smalys...@gmail.com -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [PRE-VOTE] Remove the date.timezone warning
I all, On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Stanislav Malyshev smalys...@gmail.com wrote: Are you sure that the ini file is created by the package maintainer and it includes the “date.timezone” setting is true? Last time I checked it I my experience, it is unfortunately not universally true - I've seen Linux distros with ini files that don't do that. Setting TZ correctly would require some non-trivial script work, and I'm guessing whoever did the package did not want to do this work. They could of course just put UTC there but that didn't happen either. I agree. The difficulty is choosing the right one. Linux is multi user system and users may have their own locale settings. System's default and user's default may differ also. Distributor cannot choose the right timezone automatically. If it's impossible to determine right one automatically, PHP shall have reasonable default which would be UTC. Regards, -- Yasuo Ohgaki yohg...@ohgaki.net
