[PHP-DEV] PHP 6 (and forget 5.4) (Was: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Closures: updated proposal and patch)
On Wed, 2 Jul 2008, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: On 02.07.2008, at 13:41, Christian Seiler wrote: So as things look atm, closures will have to wait until then. But cool features like closures, traits etc will undoubtedly increase the incentive to get working quickly on 5.4 and this can happen as soon as we have 5.3 out the door and working well for our user base. Actually, we should forget about 5.4 and focus on 6.0 instead. It has been lingering for waay to long now. regards, Derick -- Derick Rethans http://derickrethans.nl | http://ezcomponents.org | http://xdebug.org -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6 (and forget 5.4) (Was: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Closures: updated proposal and patch)
Derick Rethans wrote: On Wed, 2 Jul 2008, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: On 02.07.2008, at 13:41, Christian Seiler wrote: So as things look atm, closures will have to wait until then. But cool features like closures, traits etc will undoubtedly increase the incentive to get working quickly on 5.4 and this can happen as soon as we have 5.3 out the door and working well for our user base. Actually, we should forget about 5.4 and focus on 6.0 instead. It has been lingering for waay to long now. YES PLEASE -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/lsces/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6 (and forget 5.4) (Was: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Closures: updated proposal and patch)
Absolutely agree. I don't see any reason for 5.4. We don't plan any significant new features. Thanks. Dmitry. Derick Rethans wrote: On Wed, 2 Jul 2008, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: On 02.07.2008, at 13:41, Christian Seiler wrote: So as things look atm, closures will have to wait until then. But cool features like closures, traits etc will undoubtedly increase the incentive to get working quickly on 5.4 and this can happen as soon as we have 5.3 out the door and working well for our user base. Actually, we should forget about 5.4 and focus on 6.0 instead. It has been lingering for waay to long now. regards, Derick -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6 (and forget 5.4) (Was: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Closures: updated proposal and patch)
On 03.07.2008, at 10:34, Dmitry Stogov wrote: Absolutely agree. I don't see any reason for 5.4. We don't plan any significant new features. You guys are scaring me .. I was hoping to evade such discussions. PHP 5.3 is probably the minor version release with the most major changes ever. Mostly because we waited too long to go into release mode. PHP 6 has of course lingered even longer and it really really needs to get out the door ASAP. Now what I would propose is that we go into release mode on PHP 6 as well. Due to the nature of it being a major version bump it will naturally take longer to get completed. Depending on how quickly we move with PHP 5.3, we will then either release a PHP 5.4 with all of the open items before PHP 6 or more or less at the same time. But if we put the burden of being the last planned PHP 5 release onto 5.3, we will have huge issues getting it out the door. So please let us keep 5.4 on the table, but at the same time do everything we can to get PHP 6 onto some sort of release schedule. I have emailed Andrei about this offlist when I saw Derick's email. But I just wanted to send this email as a sort of damage control :) regards, Lukas Kahwe Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6 (and forget 5.4) (Was: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Closures: updated proposal and patch)
On Jul 3, 2008, at 4:41 AM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: Absolutely agree. I don't see any reason for 5.4. We don't plan any significant new features. You guys are scaring me .. I was hoping to evade such discussions. PHP 5.3 is probably the minor version release with the most major changes ever. Mostly because we waited too long to go into release mode. PHP 6 has of course lingered even longer and it really really needs to get out the door ASAP. Now what I would propose is that we go into release mode on PHP 6 as well. Due to the nature of it being a major version bump it will naturally take longer to get completed. Depending on how quickly we move with PHP 5.3, we will then either release a PHP 5.4 with all of the open items before PHP 6 or more or less at the same time. But if we put the burden of being the last planned PHP 5 release onto 5.3, we will have huge issues getting it out the door. So please let us keep 5.4 on the table, but at the same time do everything we can to get PHP 6 onto some sort of release schedule. I have emailed Andrei about this offlist when I saw Derick's email. But I just wanted to send this email as a sort of damage control :) A loud +1 to this from me. Can we get an RFC into the Wiki on this? -- Gwynne, Daughter of the Code This whole world is an asylum for the incurable. -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6 (and forget 5.4) (Was: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Closures: updated proposal and patch)
Given the 5.3 is not yet out (even as a Beta) I think discussing 5.4 is way way premature. For now I think 5.3 is close enough to 6 in feature set to not warrant 5.4. I think the effort at this point should be spent on getting 5.3 out and figuring out how to proceed with PHP 6. On 3-Jul-08, at 4:06 AM, Derick Rethans wrote: On Wed, 2 Jul 2008, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: On 02.07.2008, at 13:41, Christian Seiler wrote: So as things look atm, closures will have to wait until then. But cool features like closures, traits etc will undoubtedly increase the incentive to get working quickly on 5.4 and this can happen as soon as we have 5.3 out the door and working well for our user base. Actually, we should forget about 5.4 and focus on 6.0 instead. It has been lingering for waay to long now. regards, Derick -- Derick Rethans http://derickrethans.nl | http://ezcomponents.org | http://xdebug.org -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Ilia Alshanetsky -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
