Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Case sensitivity
On Nov 6, 2008, at 11:59 PM, Ronald Chmara wrote:
1. All built-in PHP functions should be aliased in the worlds most
used languages, so that declaring a function could also be written
as: funktsioon, otstarve, λειτουργία ,
ویرایش, Fonction, funcionar, fungsi, funzionare,
қызмет, 可算, メソッド, funkcja (etc.)
Can I get a +1?
+1, but it'd be a ++1 if we could also take into consideration
dyslexic programmers. I would like to be able to write:
} (oof$) cnuf_emos noitcnuf
;oof$ ohce
{
/me ducks
-T
P.S. No, I didn't do that programmatically. Lefties have tendencies
towards dyslexia which lets us write both ways without too much
thought :-)
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Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Case sensitivity
Travis Swicegood wrote:
On Nov 6, 2008, at 11:59 PM, Ronald Chmara wrote:
1. All built-in PHP functions should be aliased in the worlds most
used languages, so that declaring a function could also be written
as: funktsioon, otstarve, λειτουργία , ویرایش, Fonction,
funcionar, fungsi, funzionare, қызмет, 可算, メソッド,
funkcja (etc.)
Can I get a +1?
+1, but it'd be a ++1 if we could also take into consideration
dyslexic programmers. I would like to be able to write:
} (oof$) cnuf_emos noitcnuf
;oof$ ohce
{
I'd say that's more left-handed than dyslexic. Of course, handling
mistakes in variable names would reduce the number of possibilities
available:
$foo++;
echo $ofo;
if ($oof 4) break;
I am now very tempted to write something that does this. I can think of
a fairly easy and not-hugely-intensive implementation, too. I'd imagine
the canonical form for each variable would be an anagram
dictionary-style representation, with the letters arranged into
alphabetical order for storage/lookup.
Mead Raving
(er, I mean, Dave Ingram)
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Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Case sensitivity
On Nov 7, 2008, at 12:59 AM, Ronald Chmara wrote: On Nov 6, 2008, at 6:27 PM, Nate Abele wrote: I was shocked and horrified that that ridiculous remove-the-$ post actually turned into a legitimate discussion. I mean, seriously? No, not seriously. [snip] The trick is knowing when a joke is intentional, or not. -Bop Hi Ronald, While it was obvious that some responses were farcical, if you review you'll clearly see that some responses were indeed explanatory discussion, describing why this approach would not work. This is completely unnecessary. This particular case non-withstanding, the instances where this occurs are numerous and regular. As another example, anyone with half a brain and more than 10 minutes experience with the internals of PHP knows that it'd be ridiculous to suggest that PHP's array type be re-written to act like Java or .NET. The fact that it is ridiculous is implicit, we all know it, it doesn't need to be said. Okay, now I'm done wasting everyone's time. I don't want to continue to exacerbate the very issue I'm speaking against, but please just consider it -- by responding to the noise, you're creating the very problem you want to solve through moderation. Show a little self- restraint (vis-a-vis http://xkcd.com/386/). (For the record, I am all for making the list read-only for anyone without karma. It'd make my morning routine much less aggravating.) Thanks, - Nate -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Case sensitivity
As another example, anyone with half a brain and more than 10 minutes experience with the internals of PHP knows that it'd be ridiculous to suggest that PHP's array type be re-written to act like Java or .NET. The fact that it is ridiculous is implicit, we all know it, it doesn't need to be said. Hi, I don't know why case sensitivity as I layed it out, is put in the same group as ideas for removing $ from variables or redoing the PHP primitives, or what have you... Knowing the guts of PHP doesn't protect people from making really bad proposals, as anyone following this list for some time is well aware. Core devs know the PHP engine well, but sometimes have little idea of accepted standards, syntax and common workflows in and outside the PHP community. Also: those truly hilarious joke replies some people keep producing on this list, including to this thread: they're not funny. The idea of OSS forums like this list, isn't to generate easy entertainment for bored programmers. A valid point elsewhere is lost everytime a thread heads this way. Regards, Stan Vassilev -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP-DEV] Re: Case sensitivity
On 06.11.2008, at 18:46, Stan Vassilev | FM wrote: NOTE: Continuing from thread Call it: allow reserved words in a class or not?: [snip] We can test such automated porting scripts on samples collected from PEAR, Google Code and projects like Drupal, Joomla etc. to reduce side effects. NO! regards, Lukas Kahwe Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lukas, Let me be the first to say, thank you for such an objective, dispassionate analysis of the pros and cons of Stan's suggestion. I'm so glad that I've chosen to invest in a language that is developed and maintained by reasonable people who can come together and have a productive discussion about issues, without devolving into ignorant, wasteful politics. Thanks, and have a nice day! - Nate Oh, I almost forgot /sarcasm P.S. The real problem with this list is not the clueless idiots who post their clueless rants. The problem is the people who actually give said clueless idiots the time of day by actually responding to said rants. I was shocked and horrified that that ridiculous remove-the-$ post actually turned into a legitimate discussion. I mean, seriously? P.P.S. Greg -- from myself and everyone I know who follows internals (or tries not to), I want to extend a sincere and heartfelt thanks for the hard work, dedication and most of all patience that you've put into actually pushing productive discussion forward.
Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Case sensitivity
On Nov 6, 2008, at 6:27 PM, Nate Abele wrote: I was shocked and horrified that that ridiculous remove-the-$ post actually turned into a legitimate discussion. I mean, seriously? No, not seriously. It's an old internet joke, a shibboleth among programmers, not unlike GOTO considered harmful, or Real programmers Don't Use Pascal. Sometimes the humor doesn't make it through the tubes (another shibboleth), other times users don't realize that their very subject/ idea is so absurd as to be laughable. For example, I will now propose that for usability reasons: 1. All built-in PHP functions should be aliased in the worlds most used languages, so that declaring a function could also be written as: funktsioon, otstarve, λειτουργία , ویرایش, Fonction, funcionar, fungsi, funzionare, қызмет, 可 算, メソッド, funkcja (etc.) Can I get a +1? While at first blush, it seems like a possibly interesting idea, upon closer examination, it turns into either laughter, or a deep sense of shame and admonition. The trick is knowing when a joke is intentional, or not. -Bop -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
