[Issue 122233] sourceforge.net: download file name column of directory too narrow

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https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122233

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[Issue 122233] sourceforge.net: download file name column of directory too narrow

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--- Comment #32 from Marcus  ---
This issue has to be fixed on SourceForge.net.

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[Issue 122233] sourceforge.net: download file name column of directory too narrow

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--- Comment #31 from Marcus  ---
(In reply to mroe from comment #30)
> I think the problem is the filename itself. If one download more than one
> file (version/language/...) one has the same problem with different file
> managers.
> (see comment 3)
> 
> What about
> [...]
> ?

I know the file names are long but when we change the structure again then we
have a total mess in the download scripting with much more exceptions that
needs to be checked and deopending on the results different code parts have to
be executed. So, please not. ;-)

And it won't help for other projects on SourceForge.

The problem (at least what I can see) is the "Recommended Projects" box on the
right hand side. If this could be re-positioned, then the filenames have the
full space that is needed.

I've checked this with Firebug in Firefox. When deleting the box and disabling
the fixed width for the files, then it's perfect.

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[Issue 122233] sourceforge.net: download file name column of directory too narrow

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--- Comment #30 from mroe  ---
Sorry for comment 27. It isn't helpful.
But without a suggestion how a solution could look, I can't see what
sourceforge should do.

Maybe the script implements a switch that toggles the columns "Modified" and
"Size" on/off. But this will work also only for a limited length of filenames.

Maybe the filenames will separated by cutting in the middle:
Apache_OpenOffice_tar.gz doesn't make it better ...

I think the problem is the filename itself. If one download more than one file
(version/language/...) one has the same problem with different file managers.
(see comment 3)

What about
AOO_Lin64_deb_en-GB_inst_4.2.1.tar.gz
AOO_Lin32_rpm_en-GB_inst_4.2.1.tar.gz
AOO_Mac64_en-GB_inst_4.2.1.dmg
AOO_Win32_en-GB_inst_4.2.1.exe
(for future: AOO_Win64_en-GB_inst_4.2.1.exe)
and
AOO_Lin64_deb_en-GB_lang_4.2.1.tar.gz
AOO_Lin32_rpm_en-GB_lang_4.2.1.tar.gz
AOO_Mac64_en-GB_lang_4.2.1.dmg
AOO_Win32_en-GB_lang_4.2.1.exe
(for future: AOO_Win64_en-GB_lang_4.2.1.exe)
?


If these filenames truncated as now, the important information will stay
visible.

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--- Comment #26 from Marcus  ---
(In reply to orcmid from comment #25)
> I am dissatisfied with the way this conversation went, especially with
> regard to folks who are by no means typical end-users claiming what
> end-users might or might not do.
> 
> We already had an example of a QA person (probably a power user) needing to
> see the details.  

This is more than 1 year old and there is no further discussion. Also there are
no further interested people on the CC list - besides the usual listeners. ;-)

> Also, kicking the can to SourceForge is strange.  It is about how a service
> for us works for *our* users, not typical SourceForge users.  (And so being
> logged in is a strange condition.)

I find it strange that you want to draw a special relation here.

SourceForge is no service for or from Apache or OpenOffice. We are using its
great service and they serve it to many, many others, too.

When other projects on SourceForge also use long file names like we do, then
they would see the same problem. I haven't looked around but, again, it's no
special problem that belongs to OpenOffice alone.

> I think this should remain open until we have the people who claim it is
> important to improve are fully heard.  I just don't think it makes sense to
> tell end-users that they need to negotiate with SourceForge themselves.

Why should a issue stay open that has no attention and no further comments?

And end-users do not need to search on SourceForge. For this we have our own
download webpage.

> And Roberto, as a member of the AOO PMC is a great candidate to carry the
> word to SourceForge, as he has done here.  I don't want to minimize that and
> that he offered something that could be done immediately to improve the
> situation.  

Right, Roberto is the right one to try to change it. AFAIK he knows the issue
but there is no solution until today. So, maybe it's not technically possible
without to change much more on their webpage.

@orcmid:
Sorry, but I don't think that this issue is right placed in the issue tracker
of OpenOffice due to the reasons I stated above. But to do something
constructive I will notify Roberto (again) about the problem reported in this
issue.

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--- Comment #28 from orcmid  ---
(In reply to Marcus from comment #26)

> @orcmid:
> Sorry, but I don't think that this issue is right placed in the issue
> tracker of OpenOffice due to the reasons I stated above. But to do something
> constructive I will notify Roberto (again) about the problem reported in
> this issue.

Thank you Marcus.  I see you doing that on the dev@ list.

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--- Comment #29 from orcmid  ---
(In reply to Marcus from comment #26)

> This is more than 1 year old and there is no further discussion. Also there
> are no further interested people on the CC list - besides the usual
> listeners. ;-)

For me, this kind of silence on an obvious usability issue is something to
taken as an indication that someone gave up on us. The issue did not disappear.
 Confidence in the project to take users seriously may have disappeared.

The problem is we don't often get to know.  I don't think we are taking the
fact that users took something seriously enough to figure out how to submit a
buzilla issue, and then go away a short time later, is probably not a good
sign.   These are the only indicators that we have that maybe others take
themselves away without saying anything, not seeing it as their job, or for
whatever other reasons they might have.

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--- Comment #27 from mroe  ---
I'm using Firefox with NoScript AddOn. I see the complete filenames. But the
reason is that all scripts are disabled. If I allow the execution of scripts
from fsdn.com the table will formatted, so that the filenames are cropped.

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--- Comment #25 from orcmid  ---
I am dissatisfied with the way this conversation went, especially with regard
to folks who are by no means typical end-users claiming what end-users might or
might not do.

We already had an example of a QA person (probably a power user) needing to see
the details.  

Also, kicking the can to SourceForge is strange.  It is about how a service for
us works for *our* users, not typical SourceForge users.  (And so being logged
in is a strange condition.)

I think this should remain open until we have the people who claim it is
important to improve are fully heard.  I just don't think it makes sense to
tell end-users that they need to negotiate with SourceForge themselves.

And Roberto, as a member of the AOO PMC is a great candidate to carry the word
to SourceForge, as he has done here.  I don't want to minimize that and that he
offered something that could be done immediately to improve the situation.  

The issue about ad placement is a companion concern and needs its own
consideration.

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--- Comment #24 from Marcus  ---
As with comment #23 this is no issue of Apache OpenOffice but SourceForge. So,
it has to be fixed there. Closing this issue.

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--- Comment #23 from Marcus mar...@apache.org ---
@Rainer: We at AOO cannot change this. Please get in contact with Roberto from
Soureforge. He is the only one who (may) can help you.

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--- Comment #22 from Rainer Bielefeld 
rainerbielefeld_ooo...@bielefeldundbuss.de ---
Hi Marcus:
I know that mirror here in my hometown, during OOo@sun I was involved (a
little) in keeping it running.

End-user argument: Of course I know the trick with Styles = none in browser,
and may be not too many users get astray to there. It's a matter of pride.

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--- Comment #21 from Marcus mar...@apache.org ---
@Rainer:
If you want to get older release, please go to our starting webpage for
archived builds:

http://www.openoffice.org/download/archive.html

It is not intended that end-users start at Sorceforge.

Therefore I think it's OK to leave it as it is.

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--- Comment #20 from Rainer Bielefeld 
rainerbielefeld_ooo...@bielefeldundbuss.de ---
If you think those downloads are not for normal final users, drop all that
statistics fripperies and show a normal list like
ftp://ftp.rz.tu-bs.de/pub/mirror/openoffice-archive/localized/de/3.2.0/ or
so. 

http://www.eu.apache.org/dist/openoffice/ is not an alternative if you are
searching for older versions.

Please excuse me for the rude comment, but the current solution is a horrible
mess.

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