[JAWS-Users] Re: What does bullet mean?
It's nothing more then a graphic character that sited folks use to make something stand out such as in a list view. David Ferrin I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Donnie Parrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: JAWS-Users jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:34 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] What does bullet mean? I have noticed the word bullet alot in things that I have been reading. I have always heard that, but never knew what it meant. Can someone please shed a little light on the subject for me? See ya, Scooter Contact me at: Donnie Parrett 1956 Asa Flat Road Annville, KY 40402 Home # 606-364-3321 Cell # 606-438-2557 Church # 606-364-PRAY Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list%40googlegroups.com/ Address to contact the management team: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups JAWS Users List group. To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jaws-users-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[JAWS-Users] Re: What does bullet mean?
Hey David, Sometimes it says bullet link. Does that mean that they are trying to indicate that it is an important link or something? See ya, Scooter Contact me at: Donnie Parrett 1956 Asa Flat Road Annville, KY 40402 Home # 606-364-3321 Cell # 606-438-2557 Church # 606-364-PRAY Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:39 AM To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: What does bullet mean? It's nothing more then a graphic character that sited folks use to make something stand out such as in a list view. David Ferrin I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Donnie Parrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: JAWS-Users jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:34 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] What does bullet mean? I have noticed the word bullet alot in things that I have been reading. I have always heard that, but never knew what it meant. Can someone please shed a little light on the subject for me? See ya, Scooter Contact me at: Donnie Parrett 1956 Asa Flat Road Annville, KY 40402 Home # 606-364-3321 Cell # 606-438-2557 Church # 606-364-PRAY Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list%40googlegroups.com/ Address to contact the management team: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups JAWS Users List group. To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jaws-users-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[JAWS-Users] Re: What does bullet mean?
Not necessarily an important link, but a link where the text simply includes a bullet. In HTML, you can create two types of standard lists--ordered lists and unordered lists. An ordered list has the items numbered (1. 2. 3. etc.) and is intended to be used whenever there's a process that must be performed in order--do this step first, then do the second, etc. An unordered list is simply any other kind of list and in HTML, these list items are bulleted. What you're seeing is a situation where the HTML author has placed items in an unordered list and one or more of these items are links. You probably should have heard JAWS announce that this was a list before it proceeded to read the individual items. It's unfortunate that HTML doesn't allow for a third type of standard list--a list in which the items are neither numbered nor bulleted--but it doesn't. - Original Message - From: Donnie Parrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 1:32 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: What does bullet mean? Hey David, Sometimes it says bullet link. Does that mean that they are trying to indicate that it is an important link or something? See ya, Scooter --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list%40googlegroups.com/ Address to contact the management team: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups JAWS Users List group. To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jaws-users-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[JAWS-Users] Re: What does bullet mean?
Short for 'bullet point'. you get the idea. - Original Message - From: Donnie Parrett To: JAWS-Users Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 12:34 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] What does bullet mean? I have noticed the word bullet alot in things that I have been reading. I have always heard that, but never knew what it meant. Can someone please shed a little light on the subject for me? See ya, Scooter Contact me at: Donnie Parrett 1956 Asa Flat Road Annville, KY 40402 Home # 606-364-3321 Cell # 606-438-2557 Church # 606-364-PRAY Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ NOD32 1966 (20070109) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list%40googlegroups.com/ Address to contact the management team: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups JAWS Users List group. To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jaws-users-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[JAWS-Users] Re: What does bullet mean?
Okay, we have a good idea of what a bullet is. Now the question is, why are they used. Bullet marks -- or any non-ordering item identifier -- are extremely visual devices to indicate that a new item in a list is following. Identifiers such as numbers or letters might indicate some sense of priority while a bullet simply says here's another list item among equals. Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Never mind what others do; do better than yourself, beat your own record from day to day, and you are a success. - William J. H. Boetcker --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list%40googlegroups.com/ Address to contact the management team: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups JAWS Users List group. To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jaws-users-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[JAWS-Users] Re: What does bullet mean?
Hi Bill, I used bullet's when writing stories for my friends. it helps me keep track of paragraph's. Nan - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 11:08 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: What does bullet mean? Okay, we have a good idea of what a bullet is. Now the question is, why are they used. Bullet marks -- or any non-ordering item identifier -- are extremely visual devices to indicate that a new item in a list is following. Identifiers such as numbers or letters might indicate some sense of priority while a bullet simply says here's another list item among equals. Bill Gallik E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Never mind what others do; do better than yourself, beat your own record from day to day, and you are a success. - William J. H. Boetcker -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/619 - Release Date: 1/7/2007 6:29 PM --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list%40googlegroups.com/ Address to contact the management team: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups JAWS Users List group. To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jaws-users-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[JAWS-Users] Re: What does bullet mean?
Which is why I said that it's unfortunate that HTML doesn't have a list format that doesn't use them. As an old author of user documentation, I find it especially objectionable on web pages to not have what we used to call simple lists; that is, lists with no highlighting or emphasis on the individual items. They're merely attention-grabbers for sighted readers and in the spirit of informing the blind user of everything that a sighted reader would see, they're announced. My guess; and it's just that; is that in HTML, there's no easy way to indicate that something is a list as opposed to continuing text, so they're used. - Original Message - From: Bill Gallik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 11:08 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: What does bullet mean? Okay, we have a good idea of what a bullet is. Now the question is, why are they used. Bullet marks -- or any non-ordering item identifier -- are extremely visual devices to indicate that a new item in a list is following. Identifiers such as numbers or letters might indicate some sense of priority while a bullet simply says here's another list item among equals. Bill Gallik --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list%40googlegroups.com/ Address to contact the management team: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups JAWS Users List group. To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jaws-users-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[JAWS-Users] Re: What does bullet mean?
Walt Smith wrote: It's unfortunate that HTML doesn't allow for a third type of standard list--a list in which the items are neither numbered nor bulleted--but it doesn't. Out of interest, what would your third sort type of list use instead of numbers or bullets? -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list%40googlegroups.com/ Address to contact the management team: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups JAWS Users List group. To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jaws-users-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[JAWS-Users] Re: What does bullet mean?
Nothing. You'd see something like the following: Here is a list: List item 1 List item 2 List item 3 Note that the three items are indented in the above example. When I worked at IBM and wrote manuals there, we used a fairly nice document composer that used tags very much like HTML (in fact, this application was the template on which HTML was originally designed). It had three types of lists: ordered, unordered, and simple. - Original Message - From: Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 3:44 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: What does bullet mean? Out of interest, what would your third sort type of list use instead of numbers or bullets? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list%40googlegroups.com/ Address to contact the management team: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups JAWS Users List group. To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jaws-users-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[JAWS-Users] Re: What does bullet mean?
Isn't this the purpose of the Definition List in HTML? -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walt Smith Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:04 PM To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: What does bullet mean? Nothing. You'd see something like the following: Here is a list: List item 1 List item 2 List item 3 Note that the three items are indented in the above example. When I worked at IBM and wrote manuals there, we used a fairly nice document composer that used tags very much like HTML (in fact, this application was the template on which HTML was originally designed). It had three types of lists: ordered, unordered, and simple. - Original Message - From: Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 3:44 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: What does bullet mean? Out of interest, what would your third sort type of list use instead of numbers or bullets? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list%40googlegroups.com/ Address to contact the management team: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups JAWS Users List group. To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jaws-users-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[JAWS-Users] Re: What does bullet mean?
Absolutely not and people misuse the definition list all the time. The purpose of the definition list is just that--to provide definitions in a glossary. The tags in the definition list are dd:, which is the data definition tag; and the dl: tag, which is the list item, itself. What you will often see is people using the dl: tag for the item they want shown as a list item and then, leaving the dd: tag empty, but this is _not_ correct use of the definition list tag. - Original Message - From: Roberts, Vern [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 5:07 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: What does bullet mean? Isn't this the purpose of the Definition List in HTML? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list%40googlegroups.com/ Address to contact the management team: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups JAWS Users List group. To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jaws-users-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[JAWS-Users] Re: What does bullet mean?
Walt Smith, How would you like talking browsers or screen readers to read items in an indented list of the sort you suggest? How would users of such software know that they are equal items in a list, where the list begins and ends, where sub-lists begin and end, and so forth? I'm just trying to get a clearer idea of what you mean. Technically speaking, most the bullet lists you find on the web are not implied by the HTML itself. HTML includes ordered lists and unordered lists. Graphical browsers have tended to apply a default styling of numbering ordered lists with 1, 2, 3 etc. and itemizing unordered lists with bullets. This styling was not required by the HTML specification. Legacy varieties of HTML included a technique for specifying to visual user agents the type of ordered and unordered lists, choosing from disc, circle, square for different shapes of bullet, and arabic numbers, lowercase alphabetic, uppercase alphabetic, lowercase Roman numerals, and uppercase Roman numerals for different types of numbering. Such presentational hints are not in wide use, and new versions relegate such information to styleSheets, implying they are part of optional presentation not an essential part of content. I have long viewed the relegation of the styles for ordered lists to styleSheets as impractical, since authors may use these numbering systems to refer back to list items later in a text. If your talking browser or screen reader were to read an ordered list as 1, 2, 3, 4 but then the author were to refer back to the third item as Item C it would be confusing. I think most standards-aware authors would currently assume that replacing the bullets with no announcement would be a matter for the speech stylesheet, not for a new HTML element, so I'm interested in your suggestion. There are current at least three new versions of HTML in concurrent development: a version of XHTML 1.1 adapted for accessibility, the second version of XHTML, and a rival spec being created by WHATWG. If there is an as yet unperceived need for new type of list, now would be a good time to introduce it. What would be particularly useful is an explanation of when an author should use a bulleted list and when an unbulleted list. -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list%40googlegroups.com/ Address to contact the management team: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups JAWS Users List group. To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jaws-users-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
