Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......

[David Ferrin]

Enough already, we get it discussion closed. Nobody is wrong but you are all 
starting to get on my last nerve. 



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Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......

[Moderator]

Okay folks, it's time to bring this one to a close
since it appears to have lost it's usefulness!

Richard Q. Justice-list moderator
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com

- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Flusche" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..


Hi Dave, you are wrong, I never said a blind person must use the Jaws 
virtual ribbons. They can use them or not use them, this is a personal 
choice. However, in my opinion, I think they would benefit, from using the 
Jaws virtual ribbons. You are the only person being dogmatic about not using 
the Jaws virtual ribbons. Let all members try using or not using the Jaws 
virtual ribbons for themselves. Quit putting words in my mouth. I said, in 
my humble opinion, I think new Jaws users would benefit from using the Jaws 
virtual ribbons and its simple layout, in all the office 365 products. So, 
seems to be your way or the highway. Why don't you give the virtual ribbons 
a try yourself? Smiles.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Dave ...
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 3:28 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Rose,

Agree completely. It's fine for folks to tell of their experience with a 
particular feature, but to insist that a particular method is best for a 
blind person seems to be dogmatic.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 08:36
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..


I am not sighted either, however, not being able to avail myself of
frequently used shortcut keys I have known since Word 97 is the reason I
turn off or never turn on this Jaws Feature.  Your mileage may vary which is
why I suggest anyone interested try each and do what feels best to them.
For newbies they are probably just made to order, but for me and many like
me, not having the ability to use key commands we have used from Word 97
forward is a definite disadvantage.

Individuals need to make informed choices and choose options to their
tastes, to tell them they must use something or cannot use something else
when Jaws has so many options seems counterproductive.  I turn off keyboard
echo when typing, have for years, and using Word echo drives me crazy also
but I'd never tell anyone out there they needed to work the same way I work.
I am totally annoyed with a new version of Jaws when it is set at defaults
to hear space every time I space, it is one of the first keys I mute even if
I switch the keyboard echo off.  However, I hate hearing the space, and I
turn off echo because it does not keep up with my typing speed but I'd never
tell any of you to work the same way I work.

Same goes for the ribbons issues, try working both ways if interested and
decide which works for you, not your mate, not your coworker but for you.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Jim Flusche
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 1:58 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Yes, I guess that explains why you don't use the Jaws virtual ribbons. I can
see where you were trying to interact with the sited computer users where
you worked. That's fine and understandable. But what I am trying to
patiently say is, for a blind computer user of Jaws, in a home or work
environment, I believe it is more efficient to use the Jaws virtual ribbons
and the new tell me feature in the office 365 subscription. The office 2016
products work well with Jaws 18 using the virtual ribbons. As a blind
computer user, why not take advantage of the Jaws virtual ribbons feature? I
am not sited, so why should I put to my memory, all the various office
shortcut keystrokes for using word, outlook, and excel 2016. This sounds
like a lot of extra work, that a blind user of office should not have to add
to the learning of how to use W-10 with Jaws. I did try that method for a
few years, but I did not like it. No hard feelings, we are just having a
friendly discussion on whether to use the
  Jaws virtual ribbons or not. No shame in using the Jaws virtual ribbons.
Just call me lazy, only so much room in this Pinhead of mine! LOL. No, I
don't believe the moderators will get upset, if we keep this topic as a
friendly discussion. I think it will benefit the group. Let me say, I meant
no disrespect to your views on not using the virtual ribbons in Jaws. So,
thanks and smiles for your friendly discussion on this topic.

-Original Message-From: JAWS-Users-List
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, 

Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox issue - sometimes links and buttons don't actuate

[JM Casey]

Ah yes, I didn't think about noScript, but that's a thing, for sure. You don't 
use it, though, so it must be something else.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jim Pursley
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 7:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox issue - sometimes links and buttons don't 
actuate

No, I don't use the No Scripts add on.

I'll pull together a couple of sites on which at least some links did not work, 
but have no time right now.  Thanks, all, for the response. As Christopher 
Robin said, Backson.

On 8/22/2017 8:26 PM, net bat66 wrote:
> are you useing a add on called no script or simular?
> many web pages use scripts for there links and controls. with the no 
> script add on it will prevent many links and buttons from activateing 
> unless you disable the scripts for virtually every web page you go to.
>
> -Original Message- From: Jim Pursley
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 3:29 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Firefox issue - sometimes links and buttons 
> don't actuate
>
> Using Firefos 53, Win7 and JaWS 18 I'moccasionally (a lot more than 
> I'd
> like) experiencing buttons and links not actuating when I press the 
> various mouse substitutes available with JAWS. Sometimes these links 
> work from the links and buttons lists, sometimes not.  Most of the 
> time the links and buttons work on IE 11.Anyone with insight on 
> resolving my issue other than to change browsers?
>

-- 

James C. Pursley
Chief Investment Officer
Gaia Capital Management
Underpinned by sustainably growing cash dividends from quality
  companies, we seek long term client account growth

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox issue - sometimes links and buttons don't actuate

[Jim Pursley]

No, I don't use the No Scripts add on.

I'll pull together a couple of sites on which at least some links did 
not work, but have no time right now.  Thanks, all, for the response.  
As Christopher Robin said, Backson.


On 8/22/2017 8:26 PM, net bat66 wrote:

are you useing a add on called no script or simular?
many web pages use scripts for there links and controls. with the no 
script add on it will prevent many links and buttons from activateing 
unless you disable the scripts for virtually every web page you go to.


-Original Message- From: Jim Pursley
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 3:29 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Firefox issue - sometimes links and buttons 
don't actuate


Using Firefos 53, Win7 and JaWS 18 I'moccasionally (a lot more than I'd
like) experiencing buttons and links not actuating when I press the
various mouse substitutes available with JAWS. Sometimes these links
work from the links and buttons lists, sometimes not.  Most of the time
the links and buttons work on IE 11.    Anyone with insight on resolving
my issue other than to change browsers?



--

James C. Pursley
Chief Investment Officer
Gaia Capital Management
Underpinned by sustainably growing cash dividends from quality
 companies, we seek long term client account growth

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox issue - sometimes links and buttons don't actuate

[net bat66]

are you useing a add on called no script or simular?
many web pages use scripts for there links and controls. with the no script add 
on it will prevent many links and buttons from activateing unless you disable 
the scripts for virtually every web page you go to.


-Original Message- 
From: Jim Pursley

Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 3:29 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Firefox issue - sometimes links and buttons don't actuate

Using Firefos 53, Win7 and JaWS 18 I'moccasionally (a lot more than I'd
like) experiencing buttons and links not actuating when I press the
various mouse substitutes available with JAWS. Sometimes these links
work from the links and buttons lists, sometimes not.  Most of the time
the links and buttons work on IE 11.Anyone with insight on resolving
my issue other than to change browsers?

--

James C. Pursley
Chief Investment Officer
Gaia Capital Management
Underpinned by sustainably growing cash dividends from quality
 companies, we seek long term client account growth

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http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ 



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Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox issue - sometimes links and buttons don't actuate

[JM Casey]

Hey Jim.
To my knowledge I've never had this problem, but I now use Firefox exclusively. 
Can you give us a link to somewhere this is happening? Or is the problem 
completely inconsistent/unrelated to the site you are on?



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jim Pursley
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 6:29 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Firefox issue - sometimes links and buttons don't actuate

Using Firefos 53, Win7 and JaWS 18 I'moccasionally (a lot more than I'd
like) experiencing buttons and links not actuating when I press the various 
mouse substitutes available with JAWS. Sometimes these links work from the 
links and buttons lists, sometimes not.  Most of the time the links and buttons 
work on IE 11.Anyone with insight on resolving my issue other than to 
change browsers?

-- 

James C. Pursley
Chief Investment Officer
Gaia Capital Management
Underpinned by sustainably growing cash dividends from quality
  companies, we seek long term client account growth

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http://www.jaws-users.com/help/


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......

[Jim Flusche]

Hi Dave, you are wrong, I never said a blind person must use the Jaws virtual 
ribbons. They can use them or not use them, this is a personal choice. However, 
in my opinion, I think they would benefit, from using the Jaws virtual ribbons. 
You are the only person being dogmatic about not using the Jaws virtual 
ribbons. Let all members try using or not using the Jaws virtual ribbons for 
themselves. Quit putting words in my mouth. I said, in my humble opinion, I 
think new Jaws users would benefit from using the Jaws virtual ribbons and its 
simple layout, in all the office 365 products. So, seems to be your way or the 
highway. Why don't you give the virtual ribbons a try yourself? Smiles.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Dave ...
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 3:28 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Rose,

Agree completely. It's fine for folks to tell of their experience with a 
particular feature, but to insist that a particular method is best for a blind 
person seems to be dogmatic.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 08:36
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..


I am not sighted either, however, not being able to avail myself of
frequently used shortcut keys I have known since Word 97 is the reason I
turn off or never turn on this Jaws Feature.  Your mileage may vary which is
why I suggest anyone interested try each and do what feels best to them.
For newbies they are probably just made to order, but for me and many like
me, not having the ability to use key commands we have used from Word 97
forward is a definite disadvantage.

Individuals need to make informed choices and choose options to their
tastes, to tell them they must use something or cannot use something else
when Jaws has so many options seems counterproductive.  I turn off keyboard
echo when typing, have for years, and using Word echo drives me crazy also
but I'd never tell anyone out there they needed to work the same way I work.
I am totally annoyed with a new version of Jaws when it is set at defaults
to hear space every time I space, it is one of the first keys I mute even if
I switch the keyboard echo off.  However, I hate hearing the space, and I
turn off echo because it does not keep up with my typing speed but I'd never
tell any of you to work the same way I work.

Same goes for the ribbons issues, try working both ways if interested and
decide which works for you, not your mate, not your coworker but for you.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Jim Flusche
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 1:58 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Yes, I guess that explains why you don't use the Jaws virtual ribbons. I can
see where you were trying to interact with the sited computer users where
you worked. That's fine and understandable. But what I am trying to
patiently say is, for a blind computer user of Jaws, in a home or work
environment, I believe it is more efficient to use the Jaws virtual ribbons
and the new tell me feature in the office 365 subscription. The office 2016
products work well with Jaws 18 using the virtual ribbons. As a blind
computer user, why not take advantage of the Jaws virtual ribbons feature? I
am not sited, so why should I put to my memory, all the various office
shortcut keystrokes for using word, outlook, and excel 2016. This sounds
like a lot of extra work, that a blind user of office should not have to add
to the learning of how to use W-10 with Jaws. I did try that method for a
few years, but I did not like it. No hard feelings, we are just having a
friendly discussion on whether to use the
  Jaws virtual ribbons or not. No shame in using the Jaws virtual ribbons.
Just call me lazy, only so much room in this Pinhead of mine! LOL. No, I
don't believe the moderators will get upset, if we keep this topic as a
friendly discussion. I think it will benefit the group. Let me say, I meant
no disrespect to your views on not using the virtual ribbons in Jaws. So,
thanks and smiles for your friendly discussion on this topic.

-Original Message-From: JAWS-Users-List
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 4:24 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Hi, Jim.

The reason I don't try the JAWS virtual ribbon is the one I gave you before.
To quote that part of my post: This is one area, however, where I believe
JAWS users have both a practical and philosophical choice to make, and new
users need to know that 

[JAWS-Users] Firefox issue - sometimes links and buttons don't actuate

[Jim Pursley]

Using Firefos 53, Win7 and JaWS 18 I'moccasionally (a lot more than I'd 
like) experiencing buttons and links not actuating when I press the 
various mouse substitutes available with JAWS. Sometimes these links 
work from the links and buttons lists, sometimes not.  Most of the time 
the links and buttons work on IE 11.    Anyone with insight on resolving 
my issue other than to change browsers?


--

James C. Pursley
Chief Investment Officer
Gaia Capital Management
Underpinned by sustainably growing cash dividends from quality
 companies, we seek long term client account growth

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Fast way of deleting files that have the same extension

[JM Casey]

That is cool. You can still use that old dos command though, too, if you
want to. Command prompt is still best. Haha



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 4:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Fast way of deleting files that have the same
extension

To help solve a problem I was having, NLS's Anna just sent me instructions
on how to delete all files in a folder that have the same extension. I used
to use such a command in DOS, but I didn't realize there was a simple
version of it in Windows. In case I'm not alone, here's what you do:

>From the folder, type F3 to bring up search.
Type *.file extension (that is, whichever file extension it may be, such as
.MP3, .ZIP, etc.).
The list will appear.
Delete them by pressing Control-A for Select All, and then pressing delete.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] question about Amazon

[Adrian Spratt]

John, I haven't had this problem on the Amazon shopping cart page. I wonder if 
a JAWS refresh might help: JAWS key+escape.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of JOHN RIEHL
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 4:52 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] questin about Amazon

I'm having a weird experience wit Amazon. Every time I go into my shopping cart 
using the non-accessibility (the regular) site, I can't see anything on the 
screen. If I'm using Windoweyes, all I see is a link for the shopping cart; I 
don't see any info re my shopping cart. If I'm using JAWS, the screen appears 
blank. I'm using Firefox; IE doesn't seem to load for me. Is anyone else having 
this problem"

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Fast way of deleting files that have the same extension

[Rick Justice]

It's been that way in Windows I believe as far back as Win2K.
Pretty handy!

HTH,
Rick Justice

"Tomorrow's another day, another way!"
"and if tomorrow never comes, problem solved!"

- Original Message - 
From: "Adrian Spratt" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 4:35 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Fast way of deleting files that have the same 
extension


To help solve a problem I was having, NLS's Anna just sent me instructions 
on how to delete all files in a folder that have the same extension. I used 
to use such a command in DOS, but I didn't realize there was a simple 
version of it in Windows. In case I'm not alone, here's what you do:

>From the folder, type F3 to bring up search.
Type *.file extension (that is, whichever file extension it may be, such as 
.MP3, .ZIP, etc.).
The list will appear.
Delete them by pressing Control-A for Select All, and then pressing delete.
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[JAWS-Users] questin about Amazon

[JOHN RIEHL]

I'm having a weird experience wit Amazon. Every time I go into my shopping
cart using the non-accessibility (the regular) site, I can't see anything on
the screen. If I'm using Windoweyes, all I see is a link for the shopping
cart; I don't see any info re my shopping cart. If I'm using JAWS, the
screen appears blank. I'm using Firefox; IE doesn't seem to load for me. Is
anyone else having this problem"

 

Thanks. John 

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[JAWS-Users] Fast way of deleting files that have the same extension

[Adrian Spratt]

To help solve a problem I was having, NLS's Anna just sent me instructions on 
how to delete all files in a folder that have the same extension. I used to use 
such a command in DOS, but I didn't realize there was a simple version of it in 
Windows. In case I'm not alone, here's what you do:

>From the folder, type F3 to bring up search.
Type *.file extension (that is, whichever file extension it may be, such as 
.MP3, .ZIP, etc.).
The list will appear.
Delete them by pressing Control-A for Select All, and then pressing delete.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Correction on Previous Post

[Mike B.]

Hi Jerry,

I can't tell you which scheme you need to use, but here are the steps to get 
to them.
1. While in Word press, Jaws key + 6, on the number row to open the Jaws 
Settings Center for Word
2. Arrow down to, Speech And Sounds Schemes closed, & right arrow to open.
3. Arrow down 1 time & this will tell you what scheme you're currently 
using, so make a note of this scheme in case you want to return to it.
4. Arrow down to, Modify, & press the spacebar to open.  Don't press enter! 
Pressing enter will take you out of the menues & close Settings Center.
5. You will now be in a list of schemes.  Arrow up / down to see the various 
scheme options, & tab 1 time to read a description of the highlighted 
scheme.

This is where I have to stop.  Others that have more experience with all 
these scheme options can help from here.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the 
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message - 
From: jyandt.mar...@comcast.net
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 9:05 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Correction on Previous Post


Sorry Folks. I was needing information on the Speech and Sounds schemes, and 
not what I had stated previously. Specifically, I am wanting JAWS to 
indicate indented paragraphs in Word 2013. Again, sorry about that.

Jerry
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......

[Dave ...]

Rose,

Agree completely. It's fine for folks to tell of their experience with a 
particular feature, but to insist that a particular method is best for a 
blind person seems to be dogmatic.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 08:36
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..


I am not sighted either, however, not being able to avail myself of
frequently used shortcut keys I have known since Word 97 is the reason I
turn off or never turn on this Jaws Feature.  Your mileage may vary which is
why I suggest anyone interested try each and do what feels best to them.
For newbies they are probably just made to order, but for me and many like
me, not having the ability to use key commands we have used from Word 97
forward is a definite disadvantage.

Individuals need to make informed choices and choose options to their
tastes, to tell them they must use something or cannot use something else
when Jaws has so many options seems counterproductive.  I turn off keyboard
echo when typing, have for years, and using Word echo drives me crazy also
but I'd never tell anyone out there they needed to work the same way I work.
I am totally annoyed with a new version of Jaws when it is set at defaults
to hear space every time I space, it is one of the first keys I mute even if
I switch the keyboard echo off.  However, I hate hearing the space, and I
turn off echo because it does not keep up with my typing speed but I'd never
tell any of you to work the same way I work.

Same goes for the ribbons issues, try working both ways if interested and
decide which works for you, not your mate, not your coworker but for you.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Jim Flusche
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 1:58 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Yes, I guess that explains why you don't use the Jaws virtual ribbons. I can
see where you were trying to interact with the sited computer users where
you worked. That's fine and understandable. But what I am trying to
patiently say is, for a blind computer user of Jaws, in a home or work
environment, I believe it is more efficient to use the Jaws virtual ribbons
and the new tell me feature in the office 365 subscription. The office 2016
products work well with Jaws 18 using the virtual ribbons. As a blind
computer user, why not take advantage of the Jaws virtual ribbons feature? I
am not sited, so why should I put to my memory, all the various office
shortcut keystrokes for using word, outlook, and excel 2016. This sounds
like a lot of extra work, that a blind user of office should not have to add
to the learning of how to use W-10 with Jaws. I did try that method for a
few years, but I did not like it. No hard feelings, we are just having a
friendly discussion on whether to use the
  Jaws virtual ribbons or not. No shame in using the Jaws virtual ribbons.
Just call me lazy, only so much room in this Pinhead of mine! LOL. No, I
don't believe the moderators will get upset, if we keep this topic as a
friendly discussion. I think it will benefit the group. Let me say, I meant
no disrespect to your views on not using the virtual ribbons in Jaws. So,
thanks and smiles for your friendly discussion on this topic.

-Original Message-From: JAWS-Users-List
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 4:24 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Hi, Jim.

The reason I don't try the JAWS virtual ribbon is the one I gave you before.
To quote that part of my post: This is one area, however, where I believe
JAWS users have both a practical and philosophical choice to make, and new
users need to know that this choice exists. I quickly became comfortable
with the MS ribbons, as others on this list have. If they were too
difficult, then I, too, would use the virtual ribbon. But since we have a
true choice here, the question becomes whether I choose a method everyone
else in the world uses or the one that only a few can.

I'll elaborate. I used to supervise a consumer protection mediation program
where all my staff was sighted. As many middle-age people find, college
students handle technology much more naturally than I did. If I had a
problem using MS Word or some other application, one or other of my student
interns would have an answer for me right away. If I'd been using the JAWS
virtual ribbon, they could have given me no help. Besides, there were times
when I knew how to solve a Word or other tech problem that no one else did,
which helped ensure that I kept interacting with my staff on an even playing
field. If I'd been using the JAWS virtual cursor, I 

Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......

[rosecombs52]

I am not sighted either, however, not being able to avail myself of
frequently used shortcut keys I have known since Word 97 is the reason I
turn off or never turn on this Jaws Feature.  Your mileage may vary which is
why I suggest anyone interested try each and do what feels best to them.
For newbies they are probably just made to order, but for me and many like
me, not having the ability to use key commands we have used from Word 97
forward is a definite disadvantage.  

Individuals need to make informed choices and choose options to their
tastes, to tell them they must use something or cannot use something else
when Jaws has so many options seems counterproductive.  I turn off keyboard
echo when typing, have for years, and using Word echo drives me crazy also
but I'd never tell anyone out there they needed to work the same way I work.
I am totally annoyed with a new version of Jaws when it is set at defaults
to hear space every time I space, it is one of the first keys I mute even if
I switch the keyboard echo off.  However, I hate hearing the space, and I
turn off echo because it does not keep up with my typing speed but I'd never
tell any of you to work the same way I work.  

Same goes for the ribbons issues, try working both ways if interested and
decide which works for you, not your mate, not your coworker but for you.  


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Jim Flusche
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 1:58 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Yes, I guess that explains why you don't use the Jaws virtual ribbons. I can
see where you were trying to interact with the sited computer users where
you worked. That's fine and understandable. But what I am trying to
patiently say is, for a blind computer user of Jaws, in a home or work
environment, I believe it is more efficient to use the Jaws virtual ribbons
and the new tell me feature in the office 365 subscription. The office 2016
products work well with Jaws 18 using the virtual ribbons. As a blind
computer user, why not take advantage of the Jaws virtual ribbons feature? I
am not sited, so why should I put to my memory, all the various office
shortcut keystrokes for using word, outlook, and excel 2016. This sounds
like a lot of extra work, that a blind user of office should not have to add
to the learning of how to use W-10 with Jaws. I did try that method for a
few years, but I did not like it. No hard feelings, we are just having a
friendly discussion on whether to use the
  Jaws virtual ribbons or not. No shame in using the Jaws virtual ribbons.
Just call me lazy, only so much room in this Pinhead of mine! LOL. No, I
don't believe the moderators will get upset, if we keep this topic as a
friendly discussion. I think it will benefit the group. Let me say, I meant
no disrespect to your views on not using the virtual ribbons in Jaws. So,
thanks and smiles for your friendly discussion on this topic.

-Original Message-From: JAWS-Users-List
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 4:24 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Hi, Jim.

The reason I don't try the JAWS virtual ribbon is the one I gave you before.
To quote that part of my post: This is one area, however, where I believe
JAWS users have both a practical and philosophical choice to make, and new
users need to know that this choice exists. I quickly became comfortable
with the MS ribbons, as others on this list have. If they were too
difficult, then I, too, would use the virtual ribbon. But since we have a
true choice here, the question becomes whether I choose a method everyone
else in the world uses or the one that only a few can.

I'll elaborate. I used to supervise a consumer protection mediation program
where all my staff was sighted. As many middle-age people find, college
students handle technology much more naturally than I did. If I had a
problem using MS Word or some other application, one or other of my student
interns would have an answer for me right away. If I'd been using the JAWS
virtual ribbon, they could have given me no help. Besides, there were times
when I knew how to solve a Word or other tech problem that no one else did,
which helped ensure that I kept interacting with my staff on an even playing
field. If I'd been using the JAWS virtual cursor, I would have been out of
that loop.

So what I mean by a "philosophical" choice is that I chose interaction with
the sighted world over the seemingly simpler JAWS virtual ribbon. As I wrote
before, I would have used the JAWS virtual ribbon if the MS ribbons had been
inaccessible, but they're extremely easy to use, thanks in large part to
shortcuts, the applications key and the key tips. 

I hope this answers your question once and for all. I don't 

Re: [JAWS-Users] Word 13 and Sounds/Schemes

[Fernando Gregoire]

Here's the easyest way:
1. In Word or other Office program, press ALT+F to open the File tab (or
Backstage View) and then the letter T to open Options.
2. Go to the Advanced category.
3. Check the Provide Feedback with Sound option and press ENTER.
3. If you haven't installed the Office Sounds add-in, you'll get a prompt
to go to a download page. In this case, answer Yes to open that page in
your default web browser.
4. Below the Language combo box in this page, activate the Download link
and save the file.
5. Install the add-in by following the on-screen prompts.
6. Restart all Office programs and you're ready.
7. If you want to change the sounds, open the Sounds dialog either from
Control Panel or in the volume icon context menu, and in the three view
locate the Microsoft Office branch.

Hope it helps!

2017-08-22 12:58 GMT-03:00 :

> Morning all. Can anyone tell me the exact process for setting up sounds
> and schemes in Word 2013? I am using JAWS 17 and Windows 10 on a Dell
> laptop. Thanks in advance.
>
> Jerry
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> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>
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[JAWS-Users] Correction on Previous Post

[jyandt.martin]

Sorry Folks. I was needing information on the Speech and Sounds schemes, and 
not what I had stated previously. Specifically, I am wanting JAWS to indicate 
indented paragraphs in Word 2013. Again, sorry about that.

Jerry
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[JAWS-Users] Word 13 and Sounds/Schemes

[jyandt.martin]

Morning all. Can anyone tell me the exact process for setting up sounds and 
schemes in Word 2013? I am using JAWS 17 and Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. 
Thanks in advance.

Jerry
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