Re: [JAWS-Users] Centering text and JAWS
Hi Flor You've introduced a new dimension to the subject by suggesting to me to look in the configuration manager for further options. This I will indeed do. Thank you for assisting!!! DERICK -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: 18 October 2010 10:08 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Centering text and JAWS Derick, that 'little detail' cannot be physically (or 'tactually') known at the time, due to non-proportional spacing, font sizes and font point sizes, whether bolding or underlining or italics are being used, until the cantered heading or text has been completed. You still have the 'template' of how this was formerly done, so use that as a frame of reference or guide and trust that it, too, solves the foreseeable problems. The printed characters are smaller than theyr former typewritten equivalents, but the non-proportional spacing negates that to some degree, at least in my understanding of it (which may, of course, be flawed!) There are also margin settings in text editors and in our word-processing programs. And for 'typing' in general now, in the JAWS - application and/or default - Configuration manager (Set Options Text Processing dialogue), JAWS has four Indicate newLines When: checkboxes that may be used. - Original Message - From: DERICK GREEFF zs1...@cybersmart.co.za To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Centering text and JAWS Hi Flor Now you see that is exactly what I meant by getting more complicated. In the early days of learning typing on a manual typewriter (giving away my age) we used to do it that way. My main problem now is where the cursor is standing once text has been centred. It says the number of the column as one although it is somewhere in the line. It is this position I would like to determine. I've tried all the commands provided for making sure that it is indeed centred (it all works like a charm) but knowing on what column in the line the first letter of the centred text is is still a mystery to me. So, in fear of the moderator closing this subject I should rather just believe that it is centred according to all the JAWS commands telling me so and forget what the column number in that line is where the centred text starts or stops. I think we are so spoilt with JAWS allowing us to know every little detail on the screen that it is difficult for me to accept that this one I will not know. Thanks again to all the listers who have given their input; it is appreciated indeed!!! DERICK -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: 16 October 2010 12:33 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Centering text and JAWS It gets more complicated still when you include font size, and non-proportionate fonts, which are standard, making such points less relevant. It'll all come out fine in the printout - or, visually, the Print Preview. So, for a verbal or surface understanding, let's use a typewriter and insert a sheet of A4 paper where a full line might be 60 or 65 characters in width (depending on margin settings, particularly the right margin), and subtract the number of characters in the centred text from 65 and then divide the remainder by two, allowing for one more space to the right if the centred text has an odd or even number of characters - depending on what the margin settings are. thus, where the right margin was half-an-inch (5 spaces), the left margin 1 inch (10 spaces), you have 65 spaces (or 6.5 inches) width to play with on an A4 standard sheet of paper. If the centred text is 20 characters, it will start from a position 22 spaces in from the left margin. (this is how we used to do things.) - Original Message - From: DERICK GREEFF zs1...@cybersmart.co.za To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Centering text and JAWS So Thus Column 1 tells you only that you are on the first column of text, not your position in the actual line. But how do I then determine where this text is situated in a particular line in the indicator only tells me that I'm on the first column of the text; I thought this was going to be simple but it gets more complicated!!! DERICK -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: 14 October 2010 03:06 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Centering text and JAWS Just as a blank line in a document is not a line filled with blanks, centered text is not blanks plus text plus blanks. A line
Re: [JAWS-Users] Centering text and JAWS
Hi Flor Now you see that is exactly what I meant by getting more complicated. In the early days of learning typing on a manual typewriter (giving away my age) we used to do it that way. My main problem now is where the cursor is standing once text has been centred. It says the number of the column as one although it is somewhere in the line. It is this position I would like to determine. I've tried all the commands provided for making sure that it is indeed centred (it all works like a charm) but knowing on what column in the line the first letter of the centred text is is still a mystery to me. So, in fear of the moderator closing this subject I should rather just believe that it is centred according to all the JAWS commands telling me so and forget what the column number in that line is where the centred text starts or stops. I think we are so spoilt with JAWS allowing us to know every little detail on the screen that it is difficult for me to accept that this one I will not know. Thanks again to all the listers who have given their input; it is appreciated indeed!!! DERICK -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: 16 October 2010 12:33 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Centering text and JAWS It gets more complicated still when you include font size, and non-proportionate fonts, which are standard, making such points less relevant. It'll all come out fine in the printout - or, visually, the Print Preview. So, for a verbal or surface understanding, let's use a typewriter and insert a sheet of A4 paper where a full line might be 60 or 65 characters in width (depending on margin settings, particularly the right margin), and subtract the number of characters in the centred text from 65 and then divide the remainder by two, allowing for one more space to the right if the centred text has an odd or even number of characters - depending on what the margin settings are. thus, where the right margin was half-an-inch (5 spaces), the left margin 1 inch (10 spaces), you have 65 spaces (or 6.5 inches) width to play with on an A4 standard sheet of paper. If the centred text is 20 characters, it will start from a position 22 spaces in from the left margin. (this is how we used to do things.) - Original Message - From: DERICK GREEFF zs1...@cybersmart.co.za To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Centering text and JAWS So Thus Column 1 tells you only that you are on the first column of text, not your position in the actual line. But how do I then determine where this text is situated in a particular line in the indicator only tells me that I'm on the first column of the text; I thought this was going to be simple but it gets more complicated!!! DERICK -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: 14 October 2010 03:06 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Centering text and JAWS Just as a blank line in a document is not a line filled with blanks, centered text is not blanks plus text plus blanks. A line space indicator is a single character, and a centering indicator is likewise a single character. Thus Column 1 tells you only that you are on the first column of text, not your position in the actual line. Stinks, doesn't it? For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Centering text and JAWS
Derick, that 'little detail' cannot be physically (or 'tactually') known at the time, due to non-proportional spacing, font sizes and font point sizes, whether bolding or underlining or italics are being used, until the centered heading or text has been completed. You still have the 'template' of how this was formerly done, so use that as a frame of reference or guide and trust that it, too, solves the foreseeable problems. The printed characters are smaller than theyr former typewritten equivalents, but the non-proportional spacing negates that to some degree, at least in my understanding of it (which may, of course, be flawed!) There are also margin settings in text editors and in our word-processing programs. And for 'typing' in general now, in the JAWS - application and/or default - Configuration manager (Set Options Text Processing dialogue), JAWS has four Indicate newLines When: checkboxes that may be used. - Original Message - From: DERICK GREEFF zs1...@cybersmart.co.za To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Centering text and JAWS Hi Flor Now you see that is exactly what I meant by getting more complicated. In the early days of learning typing on a manual typewriter (giving away my age) we used to do it that way. My main problem now is where the cursor is standing once text has been centred. It says the number of the column as one although it is somewhere in the line. It is this position I would like to determine. I've tried all the commands provided for making sure that it is indeed centred (it all works like a charm) but knowing on what column in the line the first letter of the centred text is is still a mystery to me. So, in fear of the moderator closing this subject I should rather just believe that it is centred according to all the JAWS commands telling me so and forget what the column number in that line is where the centred text starts or stops. I think we are so spoilt with JAWS allowing us to know every little detail on the screen that it is difficult for me to accept that this one I will not know. Thanks again to all the listers who have given their input; it is appreciated indeed!!! DERICK -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: 16 October 2010 12:33 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Centering text and JAWS It gets more complicated still when you include font size, and non-proportionate fonts, which are standard, making such points less relevant. It'll all come out fine in the printout - or, visually, the Print Preview. So, for a verbal or surface understanding, let's use a typewriter and insert a sheet of A4 paper where a full line might be 60 or 65 characters in width (depending on margin settings, particularly the right margin), and subtract the number of characters in the centred text from 65 and then divide the remainder by two, allowing for one more space to the right if the centred text has an odd or even number of characters - depending on what the margin settings are. thus, where the right margin was half-an-inch (5 spaces), the left margin 1 inch (10 spaces), you have 65 spaces (or 6.5 inches) width to play with on an A4 standard sheet of paper. If the centred text is 20 characters, it will start from a position 22 spaces in from the left margin. (this is how we used to do things.) - Original Message - From: DERICK GREEFF zs1...@cybersmart.co.za To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Centering text and JAWS So Thus Column 1 tells you only that you are on the first column of text, not your position in the actual line. But how do I then determine where this text is situated in a particular line in the indicator only tells me that I'm on the first column of the text; I thought this was going to be simple but it gets more complicated!!! DERICK -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: 14 October 2010 03:06 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Centering text and JAWS Just as a blank line in a document is not a line filled with blanks, centered text is not blanks plus text plus blanks. A line space indicator is a single character, and a centering indicator is likewise a single character. Thus Column 1 tells you only that you are on the first column of text, not your position in the actual line. Stinks, doesn't it? For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws
Re: [JAWS-Users] Centering text and JAWS
It gets more complicated still when you include font size, and non-proportionate fonts, which are standard, making such points less relevant. It'll all come out fine in the printout - or, visually, the Print Preview. So, for a verbal or surface understanding, let's use a typewriter and insert a sheet of A4 paper where a full line might be 60 or 65 characters in width (depending on margin settings, particularly the right margin), and subtract the number of characters in the centred text from 65 and then divide the remainder by two, allowing for one more space to the right if the centred text has an odd or even number of characters - depending on what the margin settings are. thus, where the right margin was half-an-inch (5 spaces), the left margin 1 inch (10 spaces), you have 65 spaces (or 6.5 inches) width to play with on an A4 standard sheet of paper. If the centred text is 20 characters, it will start from a position 22 spaces in from the left margin. (this is how we used to do things.) - Original Message - From: DERICK GREEFF zs1...@cybersmart.co.za To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Centering text and JAWS So Thus Column 1 tells you only that you are on the first column of text, not your position in the actual line. But how do I then determine where this text is situated in a particular line in the indicator only tells me that I'm on the first column of the text; I thought this was going to be simple but it gets more complicated!!! DERICK -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: 14 October 2010 03:06 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Centering text and JAWS Just as a blank line in a document is not a line filled with blanks, centered text is not blanks plus text plus blanks. A line space indicator is a single character, and a centering indicator is likewise a single character. Thus Column 1 tells you only that you are on the first column of text, not your position in the actual line. Stinks, doesn't it? For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Centering text and JAWS
Hi Lennie, Thank you very much. This alt plus delete gives me the measurements and position of the active cursor and is a great help for determining the position of the text. Is there a way in which one can determine the column number at which centred text starts? Thanks for all the help from the JAWS users!!! DERICK -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Lennie Sent: 13 October 2010 07:29 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Centering text and JAWS Hi, To find the measurements from the left on a centered line press Alt+Del keys. The delete key is next to the insert key on the NumPad and numlock is off. HTH lennie At 11:34 AM 10/13/2010, you wrote: Dear Listers I've enquired about the keystroke for centering text and a number of you responded for which I'm very grateful. The instruction of control plus the letter E works to center text but the keystroke insert or JAWS key and delete then tells me that the first character of the text is on column one and not where it actually is. Sighted help tells me that it is actually centered but the insert plus delete tells a different story. What am I doing wrong and how can I determine the actual position of the start of the centralized text. DERICK For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Centering text and JAWS
Thank you; this brings me closer to determining were I am. DERICK -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Ann Marie Medlar Sent: 13 October 2010 08:42 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Centering text and JAWS If you are in Word press insert +f. - Original Message - From: DERICK GREEFF zs1...@cybersmart.co.za To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:34 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Centering text and JAWS Dear Listers I've enquired about the keystroke for centering text and a number of you responded for which I'm very grateful. The instruction of control plus the letter E works to center text but the keystroke insert or JAWS key and delete then tells me that the first character of the text is on column one and not where it actually is. Sighted help tells me that it is actually centered but the insert plus delete tells a different story. What am I doing wrong and how can I determine the actual position of the start of the centralized text. DERICK For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Centering text and JAWS
Just as a blank line in a document is not a line filled with blanks, centered text is not blanks plus text plus blanks. A line space indicator is a single character, and a centering indicator is likewise a single character. Thus Column 1 tells you only that you are on the first column of text, not your position in the actual line. Stinks, doesn't it? For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Centering text and JAWS
So Thus Column 1 tells you only that you are on the first column of text, not your position in the actual line. But how do I then determine where this text is situated in a particular line in the indicator only tells me that I'm on the first column of the text; I thought this was going to be simple but it gets more complicated!!! DERICK -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: 14 October 2010 03:06 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Centering text and JAWS Just as a blank line in a document is not a line filled with blanks, centered text is not blanks plus text plus blanks. A line space indicator is a single character, and a centering indicator is likewise a single character. Thus Column 1 tells you only that you are on the first column of text, not your position in the actual line. Stinks, doesn't it? For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] Centering text and JAWS
Dear Listers I've enquired about the keystroke for centering text and a number of you responded for which I'm very grateful. The instruction of control plus the letter E works to center text but the keystroke insert or JAWS key and delete then tells me that the first character of the text is on column one and not where it actually is. Sighted help tells me that it is actually centered but the insert plus delete tells a different story. What am I doing wrong and how can I determine the actual position of the start of the centralized text. DERICK For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Centering text and JAWS
Hi, To find the measurements from the left on a centered line press Alt+Del keys. The delete key is next to the insert key on the NumPad and numlock is off. HTH lennie At 11:34 AM 10/13/2010, you wrote: Dear Listers I've enquired about the keystroke for centering text and a number of you responded for which I'm very grateful. The instruction of control plus the letter E works to center text but the keystroke insert or JAWS key and delete then tells me that the first character of the text is on column one and not where it actually is. Sighted help tells me that it is actually centered but the insert plus delete tells a different story. What am I doing wrong and how can I determine the actual position of the start of the centralized text. DERICK For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Centering text and JAWS
If you are in Word press insert +f. - Original Message - From: DERICK GREEFF zs1...@cybersmart.co.za To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:34 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Centering text and JAWS Dear Listers I've enquired about the keystroke for centering text and a number of you responded for which I'm very grateful. The instruction of control plus the letter E works to center text but the keystroke insert or JAWS key and delete then tells me that the first character of the text is on column one and not where it actually is. Sighted help tells me that it is actually centered but the insert plus delete tells a different story. What am I doing wrong and how can I determine the actual position of the start of the centralized text. DERICK For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
