Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java?
Tell me again why I do this. David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of inthaneelf Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 1:26 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java? pardon me. with what I hear 5 year olds saying when they run up and down the streets here I didn't think I was that bad mouthed my own language around the house makes this look totally g rated, so I am being very polite goodmen inthane -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 4:32 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java? Remember this is a family oriented list, let's watch our language. David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of inthaneelf Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 2:12 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java? Chris, apparently your one of those who are totally against java, I don't use it myself, but some folks do, and therefore need java and the java bridge, if you have the location for the files give them to the poor fellow and quit being a pain in the rear end, this is most unlike you? whatthehell? inthane -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hill Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 9:31 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java? Well, unless you are going to use libre office or similar, you probably don't need Java for anything. I guess some websites might use it, but unless you know you need it, get rid of it and you'll have one less security issue. On 2/15/2013 11:09, Stormin wrote: > I have no clue. I am not a expert nor know the guts of this computer. > I was > going on what FS-Tech, Dennis suggested that Java 64 type needed or > should be on the machine. As I removed being heard Java has security > problems. As for virus etc. Running Pro in AVG, Super Anti Spyware and Malware.. > All I know and FS Tech is looking at dump files that they extracted > from my > machine 20 minutes ago. > Wish I was a brain in this and a few years younger to grasp , but.. > Geno > > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java?
which was my point inthane -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Stormin Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 5:57 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java? So a up-date and not so correct sentences. First off I found a person, not on this group that was willing to work with myself and this computer. A: First off with all virus protection, which three they are all paid Pro programs. B: Still using Outlook Office as work for home and e-mail but will in time go to Outlook Office 2010 after finishing training in it. Just to busy training for up grades for AAA call center. C: I use Quicken 10 thinking and that runs my home entirely. That said. This is a Windows 7 and the owner on this list knows what it all has in it. Which Jaws 13 latest was working grand on it. When Internet 9 was installed, I decided to go with Jaws 14 that I have a license for. First stripping all of Jaws 13 and all associated to it. Then installed Jaws 14 February release. This proven to be a frustration as it would freeze up. I did report and to this date not heard from FS Tech that is looking at the dump files that was told on HIGH Priority. That said, I asked questions here and because of sentence and language barriers.. Well, I contacted a friend that uses Jaws here and there. He uses another screen reader but this is Jaws group. First off he noted that this machine was more or less set up for gamers. Thus noted go to the web site and see what recommendations and then to the Microsoft site and see the optional up dates see if related to the cards and bingo so down loaded them. Also installed with this gentleman's Help the newest of Java for windows 7 and 64 bit and installed. Unlike some comments on the list. It is a valued tool here and there. FS, Tech, also advised that one should have the latest of Java as noted on their site. Because of the Jaws not coming back and well just turn the power off on four different times. So Friday I did a complete disc clean up, left over night to do it's thing, the last step 7 hours. then After work did a defrag. To this point Jaws 14 seems by all accounts working and no disappearance of Jaws 14 to this point. I am going to leave it on all day today to see if Jaws 14 will still be there anytime during the day and evening. If so the ideas that my friend in Louisiana, who has a heart of Gold, willing to work with me knowing I am scared as heck of the guts of this computer. Slowly walk me through VIA Skype to complete the project at hand. Compared to the cold reception on the Jaws Users Group. Yet, There is some valued information with Blind Computing and Jaws users group so I don't mind donating to the keeping David's group site going. As in the business of Call Receiving at AAA, Presentation, compassion, understanding and tone of delivery which is highly recommended, demanded, that it could be used here. So quick to judge. There is myself and others that are scared as heck of the insides of the computer. Others here are "A walk in the park" on the insides of a computer. So how about cutting a break and understand all are not near the level as those of you that are on a higher level or experts. I can see why people are afraid to ask questions. As one, not worded correctly. Really? might be a beginner or not sure how to ask. Two, This might be a silly question so not sure if I should ask it. I've been using jaws since it came out. I am no more comfortable now with the inside of this computer now or then. Geno Just a thought For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java?
pardon me. with what I hear 5 year olds saying when they run up and down the streets here I didn't think I was that bad mouthed my own language around the house makes this look totally g rated, so I am being very polite goodmen inthane -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 4:32 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java? Remember this is a family oriented list, let's watch our language. David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of inthaneelf Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 2:12 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java? Chris, apparently your one of those who are totally against java, I don't use it myself, but some folks do, and therefore need java and the java bridge, if you have the location for the files give them to the poor fellow and quit being a pain in the rear end, this is most unlike you? whatthehell? inthane -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hill Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 9:31 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java? Well, unless you are going to use libre office or similar, you probably don't need Java for anything. I guess some websites might use it, but unless you know you need it, get rid of it and you'll have one less security issue. On 2/15/2013 11:09, Stormin wrote: > I have no clue. I am not a expert nor know the guts of this computer. > I was > going on what FS-Tech, Dennis suggested that Java 64 type needed or > should be on the machine. As I removed being heard Java has security > problems. As for virus etc. Running Pro in AVG, Super Anti Spyware and Malware.. > All I know and FS Tech is looking at dump files that they extracted > from my > machine 20 minutes ago. > Wish I was a brain in this and a few years younger to grasp , but.. > Geno > > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java?
That's why I am so comfortable here. - Original Message - From: "David Ferrin" To: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java? Yes I am quite able to state that Gene has all the licenses that he needs paid for out of his own pocket because I set it up almost a year ago. I guess it has been far too long since I made the point that all who are subscribed on here may ask questions no matter of their respective skill level and somebody who feels that they are more advance doesn't approve of the manner said question was stated remember this little fact. Back when I was teaching at the local community college I always reminded my students that nobody is the best at computers, there will always be a person who knows more or at least different stuff. I even went on to say that there were many people better than me but none of them were in the room at that time. I told them that if any of you were better than me you wouldn't be sitting there and I would not be sitting up here. I must admit that the teachers chair was more comfortable but I didn't get to stay in it very much. Never the less nobody should ever feel embarrassed or afraid to ask a question on here, that was at the very Genesis of this list. If anybody feels like they have been put down call it to the attention of the management team listed on the help page. I do read all of the mail on here but with upwards of 50 messages a day give or take something might have slipped past me in the rush. Good people we need, those with bad attitudes are expendable. David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. - Original Message - From: "Stormin" To: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 8:57 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java? So a up-date and not so correct sentences. First off I found a person, not on this group that was willing to work with myself and this computer. A: First off with all virus protection, which three they are all paid Pro programs. B: Still using Outlook Office as work for home and e-mail but will in time go to Outlook Office 2010 after finishing training in it. Just to busy training for up grades for AAA call center. C: I use Quicken 10 thinking and that runs my home entirely. That said. This is a Windows 7 and the owner on this list knows what it all has in it. Which Jaws 13 latest was working grand on it. When Internet 9 was installed, I decided to go with Jaws 14 that I have a license for. First stripping all of Jaws 13 and all associated to it. Then installed Jaws 14 February release. This proven to be a frustration as it would freeze up. I did report and to this date not heard from FS Tech that is looking at the dump files that was told on HIGH Priority. That said, I asked questions here and because of sentence and language barriers.. Well, I contacted a friend that uses Jaws here and there. He uses another screen reader but this is Jaws group. First off he noted that this machine was more or less set up for gamers. Thus noted go to the web site and see what recommendations and then to the Microsoft site and see the optional up dates see if related to the cards and bingo so down loaded them. Also installed with this gentleman's Help the newest of Java for windows 7 and 64 bit and installed. Unlike some comments on the list. It is a valued tool here and there. FS, Tech, also advised that one should have the latest of Java as noted on their site. Because of the Jaws not coming back and well just turn the power off on four different times. So Friday I did a complete disc clean up, left over night to do it's thing, the last step 7 hours. then After work did a defrag. To this point Jaws 14 seems by all accounts working and no disappearance of Jaws 14 to this point. I am going to leave it on all day today to see if Jaws 14 will still be there anytime during the day and evening. If so the ideas that my friend in Louisiana, who has a heart of Gold, willing to work with me knowing I am scared as heck of the guts of this computer. Slowly walk me through VIA Skype to complete the project at hand. Compared to the cold reception on the Jaws Users Group. Yet, There is some valued information with Blind Computing and Jaws users group so I don't mind donating to the keeping David's group site going. As in the business of Call Receiving at AAA, Presentation, compassion, understanding and tone of delivery which is highly recommended, demanded, that it could be used here. So quick to judge. There is myself and others that are scared as heck of the insides of the computer. Others here are "A walk in the park" on the insides of a computer. So how about cutting a break and understand all are not near the level as those of you that are on a higher level or experts. I can see why people are afraid to ask questio
Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java?
Non sequitor. I need flash. I have yet to find a need for java in over a month of not having it. On 2/18/2013 19:56, Dan Rossi wrote: If you are going to turn off java because of worries about security issues, you you should also remove all traces of Adobe products as they are even worse than java when it comes to security issues. I need to use java so have used the access bridge, and it definitely works, at least on the sites I need it for. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java?
If you are going to turn off java because of worries about security issues, you you should also remove all traces of Adobe products as they are even worse than java when it comes to security issues. I need to use java so have used the access bridge, and it definitely works, at least on the sites I need it for. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Senior Oracle Database Administrator Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel:(412) 268-9081 For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java?
Yes I am quite able to state that Gene has all the licenses that he needs paid for out of his own pocket because I set it up almost a year ago. I guess it has been far too long since I made the point that all who are subscribed on here may ask questions no matter of their respective skill level and somebody who feels that they are more advance doesn't approve of the manner said question was stated remember this little fact. Back when I was teaching at the local community college I always reminded my students that nobody is the best at computers, there will always be a person who knows more or at least different stuff. I even went on to say that there were many people better than me but none of them were in the room at that time. I told them that if any of you were better than me you wouldn't be sitting there and I would not be sitting up here. I must admit that the teachers chair was more comfortable but I didn't get to stay in it very much. Never the less nobody should ever feel embarrassed or afraid to ask a question on here, that was at the very Genesis of this list. If anybody feels like they have been put down call it to the attention of the management team listed on the help page. I do read all of the mail on here but with upwards of 50 messages a day give or take something might have slipped past me in the rush. Good people we need, those with bad attitudes are expendable. David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. - Original Message - From: "Stormin" To: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 8:57 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java? So a up-date and not so correct sentences. First off I found a person, not on this group that was willing to work with myself and this computer. A: First off with all virus protection, which three they are all paid Pro programs. B: Still using Outlook Office as work for home and e-mail but will in time go to Outlook Office 2010 after finishing training in it. Just to busy training for up grades for AAA call center. C: I use Quicken 10 thinking and that runs my home entirely. That said. This is a Windows 7 and the owner on this list knows what it all has in it. Which Jaws 13 latest was working grand on it. When Internet 9 was installed, I decided to go with Jaws 14 that I have a license for. First stripping all of Jaws 13 and all associated to it. Then installed Jaws 14 February release. This proven to be a frustration as it would freeze up. I did report and to this date not heard from FS Tech that is looking at the dump files that was told on HIGH Priority. That said, I asked questions here and because of sentence and language barriers.. Well, I contacted a friend that uses Jaws here and there. He uses another screen reader but this is Jaws group. First off he noted that this machine was more or less set up for gamers. Thus noted go to the web site and see what recommendations and then to the Microsoft site and see the optional up dates see if related to the cards and bingo so down loaded them. Also installed with this gentleman's Help the newest of Java for windows 7 and 64 bit and installed. Unlike some comments on the list. It is a valued tool here and there. FS, Tech, also advised that one should have the latest of Java as noted on their site. Because of the Jaws not coming back and well just turn the power off on four different times. So Friday I did a complete disc clean up, left over night to do it's thing, the last step 7 hours. then After work did a defrag. To this point Jaws 14 seems by all accounts working and no disappearance of Jaws 14 to this point. I am going to leave it on all day today to see if Jaws 14 will still be there anytime during the day and evening. If so the ideas that my friend in Louisiana, who has a heart of Gold, willing to work with me knowing I am scared as heck of the guts of this computer. Slowly walk me through VIA Skype to complete the project at hand. Compared to the cold reception on the Jaws Users Group. Yet, There is some valued information with Blind Computing and Jaws users group so I don't mind donating to the keeping David's group site going. As in the business of Call Receiving at AAA, Presentation, compassion, understanding and tone of delivery which is highly recommended, demanded, that it could be used here. So quick to judge. There is myself and others that are scared as heck of the insides of the computer. Others here are "A walk in the park" on the insides of a computer. So how about cutting a break and understand all are not near the level as those of you that are on a higher level or experts. I can see why people are afraid to ask questions. As one, not worded correctly. Really? might be a beginner or not sure how to ask. Two, This might be a silly question so not sure if I should ask it. I've been using jaws since it came out. I am no m
Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java?
Yeah, I've lived without Sun's Java now for the last six weeks and have yet to find any issues. Don't confuse the Sun Java with Adobe's Flash which is different. I know they claim to have resolved the issue with update 13, but they also claimed to have fixed it with update 11, which was shown to not be the case in a couple days. Also, despite Sun's claims, untying Internet Explorer from Flash wasn't very easy. Since there are real critical security issues with Flash that were left open for a long time, if you don't need Sun Flash, why open yourself up to potential problems? - Original Message - From: "Chris Hill" To: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java? You may be confusing java with java script. There may be a few websites that need java, but having disabled it on my machine and my wife's, and leaving that way for a few months, I can say that we haven't found a website yet that wouldn't work without java. These two similarly named languages are completely different. From what I've been reading it may take a long time for the problems with java to be fixed; don't be surprised if they take a few more swipes at it. On 2/18/2013 06:58, Michael Capelle wrote: java is needed for sites, plus, they did fix this security issue in update 13. -Original Message- From: David Ferrin Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 6:32 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java? Remember this is a family oriented list, let's watch our language. David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of inthaneelf Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 2:12 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java? Chris, apparently your one of those who are totally against java, I don't use it myself, but some folks do, and therefore need java and the java bridge, if you have the location for the files give them to the poor fellow and quit being a pain in the rear end, this is most unlike you? whatthehell? inthane -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hill Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 9:31 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java? Well, unless you are going to use libre office or similar, you probably don't need Java for anything. I guess some websites might use it, but unless you know you need it, get rid of it and you'll have one less security issue. On 2/15/2013 11:09, Stormin wrote: I have no clue. I am not a expert nor know the guts of this computer. I was going on what FS-Tech, Dennis suggested that Java 64 type needed or should be on the machine. As I removed being heard Java has security problems. As for virus etc. Running Pro in AVG, Super Anti Spyware and Malware.. All I know and FS Tech is looking at dump files that they extracted from my machine 20 minutes ago. Wish I was a brain in this and a few years younger to grasp , but.. Geno For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java?
I agree with you, I own a list of over 600 people on it, with various skills ETC. Not everyone is an advanced computer, not everyone has a masters degree. I know of a member on my list in his 70's, and he is still learning. Before being rude, ask yourself, is this how I would want someone to treat me? Just my two cents. -Original Message- From: Stormin Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 7:57 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java? So a up-date and not so correct sentences. First off I found a person, not on this group that was willing to work with myself and this computer. A: First off with all virus protection, which three they are all paid Pro programs. B: Still using Outlook Office as work for home and e-mail but will in time go to Outlook Office 2010 after finishing training in it. Just to busy training for up grades for AAA call center. C: I use Quicken 10 thinking and that runs my home entirely. That said. This is a Windows 7 and the owner on this list knows what it all has in it. Which Jaws 13 latest was working grand on it. When Internet 9 was installed, I decided to go with Jaws 14 that I have a license for. First stripping all of Jaws 13 and all associated to it. Then installed Jaws 14 February release. This proven to be a frustration as it would freeze up. I did report and to this date not heard from FS Tech that is looking at the dump files that was told on HIGH Priority. That said, I asked questions here and because of sentence and language barriers.. Well, I contacted a friend that uses Jaws here and there. He uses another screen reader but this is Jaws group. First off he noted that this machine was more or less set up for gamers. Thus noted go to the web site and see what recommendations and then to the Microsoft site and see the optional up dates see if related to the cards and bingo so down loaded them. Also installed with this gentleman's Help the newest of Java for windows 7 and 64 bit and installed. Unlike some comments on the list. It is a valued tool here and there. FS, Tech, also advised that one should have the latest of Java as noted on their site. Because of the Jaws not coming back and well just turn the power off on four different times. So Friday I did a complete disc clean up, left over night to do it's thing, the last step 7 hours. then After work did a defrag. To this point Jaws 14 seems by all accounts working and no disappearance of Jaws 14 to this point. I am going to leave it on all day today to see if Jaws 14 will still be there anytime during the day and evening. If so the ideas that my friend in Louisiana, who has a heart of Gold, willing to work with me knowing I am scared as heck of the guts of this computer. Slowly walk me through VIA Skype to complete the project at hand. Compared to the cold reception on the Jaws Users Group. Yet, There is some valued information with Blind Computing and Jaws users group so I don't mind donating to the keeping David's group site going. As in the business of Call Receiving at AAA, Presentation, compassion, understanding and tone of delivery which is highly recommended, demanded, that it could be used here. So quick to judge. There is myself and others that are scared as heck of the insides of the computer. Others here are "A walk in the park" on the insides of a computer. So how about cutting a break and understand all are not near the level as those of you that are on a higher level or experts. I can see why people are afraid to ask questions. As one, not worded correctly. Really? might be a beginner or not sure how to ask. Two, This might be a silly question so not sure if I should ask it. I've been using jaws since it came out. I am no more comfortable now with the inside of this computer now or then. Geno Just a thought For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java?
So a up-date and not so correct sentences. First off I found a person, not on this group that was willing to work with myself and this computer. A: First off with all virus protection, which three they are all paid Pro programs. B: Still using Outlook Office as work for home and e-mail but will in time go to Outlook Office 2010 after finishing training in it. Just to busy training for up grades for AAA call center. C: I use Quicken 10 thinking and that runs my home entirely. That said. This is a Windows 7 and the owner on this list knows what it all has in it. Which Jaws 13 latest was working grand on it. When Internet 9 was installed, I decided to go with Jaws 14 that I have a license for. First stripping all of Jaws 13 and all associated to it. Then installed Jaws 14 February release. This proven to be a frustration as it would freeze up. I did report and to this date not heard from FS Tech that is looking at the dump files that was told on HIGH Priority. That said, I asked questions here and because of sentence and language barriers.. Well, I contacted a friend that uses Jaws here and there. He uses another screen reader but this is Jaws group. First off he noted that this machine was more or less set up for gamers. Thus noted go to the web site and see what recommendations and then to the Microsoft site and see the optional up dates see if related to the cards and bingo so down loaded them. Also installed with this gentleman's Help the newest of Java for windows 7 and 64 bit and installed. Unlike some comments on the list. It is a valued tool here and there. FS, Tech, also advised that one should have the latest of Java as noted on their site. Because of the Jaws not coming back and well just turn the power off on four different times. So Friday I did a complete disc clean up, left over night to do it's thing, the last step 7 hours. then After work did a defrag. To this point Jaws 14 seems by all accounts working and no disappearance of Jaws 14 to this point. I am going to leave it on all day today to see if Jaws 14 will still be there anytime during the day and evening. If so the ideas that my friend in Louisiana, who has a heart of Gold, willing to work with me knowing I am scared as heck of the guts of this computer. Slowly walk me through VIA Skype to complete the project at hand. Compared to the cold reception on the Jaws Users Group. Yet, There is some valued information with Blind Computing and Jaws users group so I don't mind donating to the keeping David's group site going. As in the business of Call Receiving at AAA, Presentation, compassion, understanding and tone of delivery which is highly recommended, demanded, that it could be used here. So quick to judge. There is myself and others that are scared as heck of the insides of the computer. Others here are "A walk in the park" on the insides of a computer. So how about cutting a break and understand all are not near the level as those of you that are on a higher level or experts. I can see why people are afraid to ask questions. As one, not worded correctly. Really? might be a beginner or not sure how to ask. Two, This might be a silly question so not sure if I should ask it. I've been using jaws since it came out. I am no more comfortable now with the inside of this computer now or then. Geno Just a thought For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java?
You may be confusing java with java script. There may be a few websites that need java, but having disabled it on my machine and my wife's, and leaving that way for a few months, I can say that we haven't found a website yet that wouldn't work without java. These two similarly named languages are completely different. From what I've been reading it may take a long time for the problems with java to be fixed; don't be surprised if they take a few more swipes at it. On 2/18/2013 06:58, Michael Capelle wrote: java is needed for sites, plus, they did fix this security issue in update 13. -Original Message- From: David Ferrin Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 6:32 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java? Remember this is a family oriented list, let's watch our language. David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of inthaneelf Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 2:12 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java? Chris, apparently your one of those who are totally against java, I don't use it myself, but some folks do, and therefore need java and the java bridge, if you have the location for the files give them to the poor fellow and quit being a pain in the rear end, this is most unlike you? whatthehell? inthane -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hill Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 9:31 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java? Well, unless you are going to use libre office or similar, you probably don't need Java for anything. I guess some websites might use it, but unless you know you need it, get rid of it and you'll have one less security issue. On 2/15/2013 11:09, Stormin wrote: I have no clue. I am not a expert nor know the guts of this computer. I was going on what FS-Tech, Dennis suggested that Java 64 type needed or should be on the machine. As I removed being heard Java has security problems. As for virus etc. Running Pro in AVG, Super Anti Spyware and Malware.. All I know and FS Tech is looking at dump files that they extracted from my machine 20 minutes ago. Wish I was a brain in this and a few years younger to grasp , but.. Geno For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java?
java is needed for sites, plus, they did fix this security issue in update 13. -Original Message- From: David Ferrin Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 6:32 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java? Remember this is a family oriented list, let's watch our language. David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of inthaneelf Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 2:12 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java? Chris, apparently your one of those who are totally against java, I don't use it myself, but some folks do, and therefore need java and the java bridge, if you have the location for the files give them to the poor fellow and quit being a pain in the rear end, this is most unlike you? whatthehell? inthane -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hill Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 9:31 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java? Well, unless you are going to use libre office or similar, you probably don't need Java for anything. I guess some websites might use it, but unless you know you need it, get rid of it and you'll have one less security issue. On 2/15/2013 11:09, Stormin wrote: I have no clue. I am not a expert nor know the guts of this computer. I was going on what FS-Tech, Dennis suggested that Java 64 type needed or should be on the machine. As I removed being heard Java has security problems. As for virus etc. Running Pro in AVG, Super Anti Spyware and Malware.. All I know and FS Tech is looking at dump files that they extracted from my machine 20 minutes ago. Wish I was a brain in this and a few years younger to grasp , but.. Geno For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java?
Remember this is a family oriented list, let's watch our language. David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of inthaneelf Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 2:12 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java? Chris, apparently your one of those who are totally against java, I don't use it myself, but some folks do, and therefore need java and the java bridge, if you have the location for the files give them to the poor fellow and quit being a pain in the rear end, this is most unlike you? whatthehell? inthane -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hill Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 9:31 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java? Well, unless you are going to use libre office or similar, you probably don't need Java for anything. I guess some websites might use it, but unless you know you need it, get rid of it and you'll have one less security issue. On 2/15/2013 11:09, Stormin wrote: > I have no clue. I am not a expert nor know the guts of this computer. > I was > going on what FS-Tech, Dennis suggested that Java 64 type needed or > should be on the machine. As I removed being heard Java has security > problems. As for virus etc. Running Pro in AVG, Super Anti Spyware and Malware.. > All I know and FS Tech is looking at dump files that they extracted > from my > machine 20 minutes ago. > Wish I was a brain in this and a few years younger to grasp , but.. > Geno > > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java?
Chris, apparently your one of those who are totally against java, I don't use it myself, but some folks do, and therefore need java and the java bridge, if you have the location for the files give them to the poor fellow and quit being a pain in the rear end, this is most unlike you? whatthehell? inthane -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hill Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 9:31 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java? Well, unless you are going to use libre office or similar, you probably don't need Java for anything. I guess some websites might use it, but unless you know you need it, get rid of it and you'll have one less security issue. On 2/15/2013 11:09, Stormin wrote: > I have no clue. I am not a expert nor know the guts of this computer. I was > going on what FS-Tech, Dennis suggested that Java 64 type needed or should > be on the machine. As I removed being heard Java has security problems. As > for virus etc. Running Pro in AVG, Super Anti Spyware and Malware.. > All I know and FS Tech is looking at dump files that they extracted from my > machine 20 minutes ago. > Wish I was a brain in this and a few years younger to grasp , but.. Geno > > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java?
List, I have been reading the posts on Jaws and java on this lists. I am running Jaws 14 with windows 7,Should I, not run Java on my computer. it is installed on my computer, but have had some computer problems that I cannot diagnose as to problems I am having with improper shutdowns causing issues when I reboot the computer. Appreciate any thoughts on the matter. John, in sunny southwest florida -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 6:41 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java? Good deal, glad to hear it. David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. - Original Message - From: "Stormin" To: Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 2:01 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java? Thank you David, but, I found a friend blind, Jaws knowledgeable and we work through the FS site info and properly installed Java for 64 and then gradually with patience to work with me. So now installed. Thanks Geno/Papa Geno For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java?
Good deal, glad to hear it. David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. - Original Message - From: "Stormin" To: Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 2:01 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java? Thank you David, but, I found a friend blind, Jaws knowledgeable and we work through the FS site info and properly installed Java for 64 and then gradually with patience to work with me. So now installed. Thanks Geno/Papa Geno For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java?
I know Java just came out with an update this week, that supposedly addresses their gaping security issues. But, I am certainly not planning to install Java soon after all the problems Sun had with it that got revealed a month ago. Its one thing to have problems, its quite another to have known about them for over a year and not address them. - Original Message - From: "Stormin" To: Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 2:01 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java? Thank you David, but, I found a friend blind, Jaws knowledgeable and we work through the FS site info and properly installed Java for 64 and then gradually with patience to work with me. So now installed. Thanks Geno/Papa Geno For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java?
Thank you David, but, I found a friend blind, Jaws knowledgeable and we work through the FS site info and properly installed Java for 64 and then gradually with patience to work with me. So now installed. Thanks Geno/Papa Geno For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java?
Somebody on here might know something about JAVA I don't know, but personally I have never messed around with it at all. David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Stormin Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:46 AM To: Jaws Users Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java? I would like to talk to a tech person on here about Jaws 14, help getting the proper Java and bridge for this W-7 and 64 and to install.. Obviously I am doing something wrong and would like to do a tandem hook up to install correctly after sending me the correct Java to use and bridge zipped please. Getting frustrated with. Tech Support is looking at the dump files and suggested to get back Java.. Papa Geno requesting help please For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java?
Well, unless you are going to use libre office or similar, you probably don't need Java for anything. I guess some websites might use it, but unless you know you need it, get rid of it and you'll have one less security issue. On 2/15/2013 11:09, Stormin wrote: I have no clue. I am not a expert nor know the guts of this computer. I was going on what FS-Tech, Dennis suggested that Java 64 type needed or should be on the machine. As I removed being heard Java has security problems. As for virus etc. Running Pro in AVG, Super Anti Spyware and Malware.. All I know and FS Tech is looking at dump files that they extracted from my machine 20 minutes ago. Wish I was a brain in this and a few years younger to grasp , but.. Geno For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java?
I have no clue. I am not a expert nor know the guts of this computer. I was going on what FS-Tech, Dennis suggested that Java 64 type needed or should be on the machine. As I removed being heard Java has security problems. As for virus etc. Running Pro in AVG, Super Anti Spyware and Malware.. All I know and FS Tech is looking at dump files that they extracted from my machine 20 minutes ago. Wish I was a brain in this and a few years younger to grasp , but.. Geno For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java?
First question: how do you know you have a problem? What isn't working? For example, the Libre Office 3.64 did not work, but the 4.0 at least tries. Open office didn't work either last time I checked. Even at its best, Libre Office under windows with java access bridge is not ready for prime time, it is only somewhat workable in the word processor, the spreadsheet doesn't tell you where you are at unless you set screen echo to full and listen to a lot of chatter. On 2/15/2013 10:45, Stormin wrote: I would like to talk to a tech person on here about Jaws 14, help getting the proper Java and bridge for this W-7 and 64 and to install.. Obviously I am doing something wrong and would like to do a tandem hook up to install correctly after sending me the correct Java to use and bridge zipped please. Getting frustrated with. Tech Support is looking at the dump files and suggested to get back Java.. Papa Geno requesting help please For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] Jaws 14/W-7 and Java?
I would like to talk to a tech person on here about Jaws 14, help getting the proper Java and bridge for this W-7 and 64 and to install.. Obviously I am doing something wrong and would like to do a tandem hook up to install correctly after sending me the correct Java to use and bridge zipped please. Getting frustrated with. Tech Support is looking at the dump files and suggested to get back Java.. Papa Geno requesting help please For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
