Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

[Jason White]

The "link to previous" button that unlinks sections is in the Navigation group
of the Design tab when you're in the footer field. It's straight after
"previous" and "next" in the tab sequence. JAWS reads it correctly and
indicates whether it is checked.

I think you probably have corrupt files somewhere on your system, or an
outdated version of Microsoft Word 2016. If you don't have any luck in
tracking down the issue, try contacting whoever can provide you with either
Microsoft  technical support or JAWS technical support.

Jean Menzies <jemenz...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> Hi Jason,
> 
> I have now upgraded to Jaws 18, but I am not getting the results you get. I
> can get to the footer area in both ways as you describe. Once in the footer
> edit area, text is not spoken as I type, and nothing is readable in the
> field.
> 
> Then if I exit the footer dialogue and use insert-F1, I know that footer
> text was entered. Going back in to edit, I again cannot hear anything in
> terms of what the footer text is.
> 
> I also can't seem to find ribbon controls for adding date, time, etc.
> 
> On this same topic, can you go under Layout and insert a section break and
> see if you can unlink it from other document sections? I can't identify the
> button to do that either.
> 
> The good thing is that you can do this. I just have to figure out why I
> can't.
> 
> I'm using Office 365, if that might be different.
> 
> Jean
> 
> -Original Message- From: Jason White
> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 9:13 AM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers
> 
> I'm trying to test this with JAWS 18, Windows 10 and Word 2016.
> 
> I can edit a footer by typing Alt+N, O, E. Alternatively, I can work my way
> through the Insert tab of the ribbon to find this command (Insert -> Footer
> ->
> Edit Footer).
> 
> At this point (having invoked the above command), I'm in a footer field into
> which I can type text or edit existing text. While editing the footer, there
> are commands in the ribbon to insert the time and date, document
> information,
> etc.
> 
> JAWS is reading everything as expected.
> 
> Are your steps different from mine? If not, this might have been fixed in
> JAWS
> 18 or in a Microsoft Word update. I'm running Word 2016 Pro Plus as
> downloaded
> from Office365, so it's always kept up to date.
> 
> Jean Menzies <jemenz...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> > I’m using Word 2016 and Jaws 17.0.2619.
> > 
> > I want to create documents with page footers. Each page needs its own
> > unique footer. I know how to get to the footer dialogue, but Jaws
> > doesn’t read any of the text in the dialogue as I type or as it appears.
> > Outside of the dialogue, I can use insert F1 to hear document info, but
> > this is a tedious way to check footers, and doesn’t allow for editing,
> > etc.
> > 
> > Is there a solution for this? It used to work in previous versions of
> > Word and Jaws.
> > 
> > Jean
> > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
> 
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
> 
> 
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

[Jean Menzies]

Hi Brian,

Yes, I renamed the normal.dotm template, and also did a repair on Office 
365. I tried changing the footer style, but it wouldn't accept a change that 
way from within the edit field of the style. I was able to change its font 
size, so changes can be made, though.


You guys have given me excellent advice, but so far I haven't been able to 
resolve this. The good thing is that it works for you, so hopefully I can 
fix this. I will get a sighted person to look at the screen as well, just in 
case. Possibly, it might be an Office Word 365 thing as well.


I'll keep trying things.

Thanks.

Jean

-Original Message- 
From: Brian Lee

Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 8:01 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Hello again Jean,

Another thought is that if some of the styles are messed up, they are based 
on the normal template.  You could rename the normal.dotm file and restart 
Word.  The normal.dotm template should be created by Word and this might 
cause the styles to work correctly.  However, you have Office 365 and I am 
not sure if you have the ability to work with those files in that version of 
Word or not but you probably know whether or not you do.  In Word 2013 you 
go under the user folder, open App Data, open Roaming, open Microsoft, and 
open templates to find the normal.dotm file.This would at least let you 
know if the problem was with the styles.  Again, though, I don't know if 
this should be done in an Office 365 installation.


Take care.

Brian Lee
brianl...@charter.net

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Jean Menzies

Sent: November 24, 2016 4:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Hi all,

Some small progress. I have found that if the Jaws virtual ribbon is 
enabled, I can't access any of the Footer ribbons. So, with it off, I can at 
least tab through the design choices, finding the areas for unlinking, etc.


But I still can't read any of the entered text until I exit the Footer style 
and go back to the document. Any ideas?


Jean

-Original Message-
From: Jean Menzies
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 4:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Hi Brian,

Excellent description, and I know that's how it should work. But no matter 
what I do, I can't read any of the text I'm entering, have entered, or am 
wanting to edit. Insert-F tells me the footer style text is black on black.

That shouldn't matter, I don't think.

I didn't import any old Jaws settings when I upgraded to version 18. I just 
can't find why this isn't working. I also don't see the choices to unlink 
from previous sections with section breaks, etc.


Very strange.

Jean

-Original Message-
From: Brian Lee
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 10:53 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Hello,

Here is some additional information on creating footers.  I am using Word
2013 but I don't think the steps vary much from 2016.

Instead of using the dialog box you might want to use the options in the 
header and footer group of the insert menu and under the design tab which is 
added as a tab to the right end of the ribbon after a footer is chosen.  To 
enter a built-in footer you can use CTRL with right arrow key across the 
lower part of the ribbon under the insert tab until you get to the header 
and footer group.  Using Word 2013, this is done seven times.  Tab to the 
footer menu item and press enter.  Alternatively, use Alt followed by N 
followed by O.  The first item is a blank footer and the second built-in 
footer type is a footer with three areas.  If you pick the second one you 
can enter the footer text in the first area and the page number in the third 
and use different alignment for the text and page number if you want.  If 
you choose the first built-in footer type you can type the text using 
nonbreaking spaces between all the words (CTRL+Shift+Spacebar) and then 
leave a space before entering the page number.  Immediately after inserting 
the page number use CTRL with J followed by shift key and enter.  This will 
cause the text to be left aligned and the page number to be right aligned.
If you want to insert a page number using a page field use Alt with Shift 
and P.  Otherwise, you can insert it from the page numbers item under the 
design tab of the ribbon.  You will find the “Link to previous”, “different 
first page” and other often used options under the design tab.  It is a good 
idea to use section breaks and then insert the blank footer for the new 
section, uncheck the “link to previous” checkbox under the design tab of the 
header and footer tools which is added to the right end of the ribbon as a 
contextual tab, and then type the footer information

Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

[Brian Lee]

Hello again Jean,

Another thought is that if some of the styles are messed up, they are based on 
the normal template.  You could rename the normal.dotm file and restart Word.  
The normal.dotm template should be created by Word and this might cause the 
styles to work correctly.  However, you have Office 365 and I am not sure if 
you have the ability to work with those files in that version of Word or not 
but you probably know whether or not you do.  In Word 2013 you go under the 
user folder, open App Data, open Roaming, open Microsoft, and open templates to 
find the normal.dotm file.This would at least let you know if the problem 
was with the styles.  Again, though, I don't know if this should be done in an 
Office 365 installation.  

Take care.  

Brian Lee
brianl...@charter.net

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jean Menzies
Sent: November 24, 2016 4:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Hi all,

Some small progress. I have found that if the Jaws virtual ribbon is enabled, I 
can't access any of the Footer ribbons. So, with it off, I can at least tab 
through the design choices, finding the areas for unlinking, etc.

But I still can't read any of the entered text until I exit the Footer style 
and go back to the document. Any ideas?

Jean

-Original Message-
From: Jean Menzies
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 4:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Hi Brian,

Excellent description, and I know that's how it should work. But no matter what 
I do, I can't read any of the text I'm entering, have entered, or am wanting to 
edit. Insert-F tells me the footer style text is black on black.
That shouldn't matter, I don't think.

I didn't import any old Jaws settings when I upgraded to version 18. I just 
can't find why this isn't working. I also don't see the choices to unlink from 
previous sections with section breaks, etc.

Very strange.

Jean

-Original Message-
From: Brian Lee
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 10:53 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Hello,

Here is some additional information on creating footers.  I am using Word
2013 but I don't think the steps vary much from 2016.

Instead of using the dialog box you might want to use the options in the header 
and footer group of the insert menu and under the design tab which is added as 
a tab to the right end of the ribbon after a footer is chosen.  To enter a 
built-in footer you can use CTRL with right arrow key across the lower part of 
the ribbon under the insert tab until you get to the header and footer group.  
Using Word 2013, this is done seven times.  Tab to the footer menu item and 
press enter.  Alternatively, use Alt followed by N followed by O.  The first 
item is a blank footer and the second built-in footer type is a footer with 
three areas.  If you pick the second one you can enter the footer text in the 
first area and the page number in the third and use different alignment for the 
text and page number if you want.  If you choose the first built-in footer type 
you can type the text using nonbreaking spaces between all the words 
(CTRL+Shift+Spacebar) and then leave a space before entering the page number.  
Immediately after inserting the page number use CTRL with J followed by shift 
key and enter.  This will cause the text to be left aligned and the page number 
to be right aligned.
If you want to insert a page number using a page field use Alt with Shift and 
P.  Otherwise, you can insert it from the page numbers item under the design 
tab of the ribbon.  You will find the “Link to previous”, “different first 
page” and other often used options under the design tab.  It is a good idea to 
use section breaks and then insert the blank footer for the new section, 
uncheck the “link to previous” checkbox under the design tab of the header and 
footer tools which is added to the right end of the ribbon as a contextual tab, 
and then type the footer information.  To insert a Next page section break 
press Alt followed by P followed by B followed by N.  Go To Footer is a command 
that can be added to the quick access toolbar or to a customized ribbon group, 
which might be helpful if you are frequently working with footers.  Remember 
that using Alt with delete will let you know the vertical position of the 
cursor so you can verify you are working in a footer area.  The escape key 
should move focus from the footer area back into the main document pane.

Take care.

Brian Lee
brianl...@charter.net

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jason White
Sent: November 24, 2016 9:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016

Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

[Brian Lee]

Hi Jean,

JAWS should be letting you know that the colors are black on white and not 
black on black for the footer style.  At least with my installation of word the 
footer style is pretty much the same as the normal style.  Being that this has 
happened when you use JAWS 17 and JAWS 18, it would appear that something might 
be corrupt with the Word installation.  What you might try for a workaround is 
to select the footer area and apply the normal style by using CTRL+Shift+N.  
See if you can read the text when the normal style is used in the footer.  In 
either case, JAWS should be reporting the foreground and background colors as 
black on white when using JAWS key F or when using JAWS key 5.  You might also 
create your own style and then when you move to the footer area and unlink the 
footer from the previous one, you can select from the beginning to the end of 
the line and apply your created style.  The new style could be called something 
like "MyFooter."  I think you said in another message that JAWS wouldn't read 
the text when using JAWS 17 and 18 and that you didn't merge any of the 
settings.  Try refreshing the screen using JAWS key with escape key and 
maximizing the window before typing or reading the text.  Sure hope you get it 
working!

Take care.

Brian Lee
brianl...@charter.net

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jean Menzies
Sent: November 24, 2016 4:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Hi all,

Some small progress. I have found that if the Jaws virtual ribbon is enabled, I 
can't access any of the Footer ribbons. So, with it off, I can at least tab 
through the design choices, finding the areas for unlinking, etc.

But I still can't read any of the entered text until I exit the Footer style 
and go back to the document. Any ideas?

Jean

-Original Message-
From: Jean Menzies
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 4:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Hi Brian,

Excellent description, and I know that's how it should work. But no matter what 
I do, I can't read any of the text I'm entering, have entered, or am wanting to 
edit. Insert-F tells me the footer style text is black on black.
That shouldn't matter, I don't think.

I didn't import any old Jaws settings when I upgraded to version 18. I just 
can't find why this isn't working. I also don't see the choices to unlink from 
previous sections with section breaks, etc.

Very strange.

Jean

-Original Message-
From: Brian Lee
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 10:53 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Hello,

Here is some additional information on creating footers.  I am using Word
2013 but I don't think the steps vary much from 2016.

Instead of using the dialog box you might want to use the options in the header 
and footer group of the insert menu and under the design tab which is added as 
a tab to the right end of the ribbon after a footer is chosen.  To enter a 
built-in footer you can use CTRL with right arrow key across the lower part of 
the ribbon under the insert tab until you get to the header and footer group.  
Using Word 2013, this is done seven times.  Tab to the footer menu item and 
press enter.  Alternatively, use Alt followed by N followed by O.  The first 
item is a blank footer and the second built-in footer type is a footer with 
three areas.  If you pick the second one you can enter the footer text in the 
first area and the page number in the third and use different alignment for the 
text and page number if you want.  If you choose the first built-in footer type 
you can type the text using nonbreaking spaces between all the words 
(CTRL+Shift+Spacebar) and then leave a space before entering the page number.  
Immediately after inserting the page number use CTRL with J followed by shift 
key and enter.  This will cause the text to be left aligned and the page number 
to be right aligned.
If you want to insert a page number using a page field use Alt with Shift and 
P.  Otherwise, you can insert it from the page numbers item under the design 
tab of the ribbon.  You will find the “Link to previous”, “different first 
page” and other often used options under the design tab.  It is a good idea to 
use section breaks and then insert the blank footer for the new section, 
uncheck the “link to previous” checkbox under the design tab of the header and 
footer tools which is added to the right end of the ribbon as a contextual tab, 
and then type the footer information.  To insert a Next page section break 
press Alt followed by P followed by B followed by N.  Go To Footer is a command 
that can be added to the quick access toolbar or to a customized ribbon group, 
which might be helpful if you are frequently working with footers.

Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

[Jean Menzies]

Thanks, Mike. The ribbons appear to be maximized. I hear the option to 
collapse them, so they must be okay. Good thought, though. Thanks.


-Original Message- 
From: Mike B.

Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 5:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Hi Jean,

Make sure the ribbons are maximized.
To navigate ribbons more efficiently the ribbons need to be maximized.  The
keystroke is, control + F1.  This keystroke is a toggle so, this keystroke
will maximize & minimize.  To check if the ribbons are minimized / maximized
do the following:
1. Press the, Alt key, to open the ribbons.
2. Open the context menu with either the application key or, shift + F10.
3. Arrow up or down to the, Minimize, option.  If, Minimize, is checked, the
ribbons are minimized  Pressing, enter, on this checkbox, will uncheck it &
close the context menu & your menues will now be maximized.

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.
- Original Message - 
From: Jean Menzies

To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers


Hi all,

Some small progress. I have found that if the Jaws virtual ribbon is
enabled, I can't access any of the Footer ribbons. So, with it off, I can at
least tab through the design choices, finding the areas for unlinking, etc.

But I still can't read any of the entered text until I exit the Footer style
and go back to the document. Any ideas?

Jean

-Original Message- 
From: Jean Menzies

Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 4:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Hi Brian,

Excellent description, and I know that's how it should work. But no matter
what I do, I can't read any of the text I'm entering, have entered, or am
wanting to edit. Insert-F tells me the footer style text is black on black.
That shouldn't matter, I don't think.

I didn't import any old Jaws settings when I upgraded to version 18. I just
can't find why this isn't working. I also don't see the choices to unlink
from previous sections with section breaks, etc.

Very strange.

Jean

-Original Message- 
From: Brian Lee

Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 10:53 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Hello,

Here is some additional information on creating footers.  I am using Word
2013 but I don't think the steps vary much from 2016.

Instead of using the dialog box you might want to use the options in the
header and footer group of the insert menu and under the design tab which is
added as a tab to the right end of the ribbon after a footer is chosen.  To
enter a built-in footer you can use CTRL with right arrow key across the
lower part of the ribbon under the insert tab until you get to the header
and footer group.  Using Word 2013, this is done seven times.  Tab to the
footer menu item and press enter.  Alternatively, use Alt followed by N
followed by O.  The first item is a blank footer and the second built-in
footer type is a footer with three areas.  If you pick the second one you
can enter the footer text in the first area and the page number in the third
and use different alignment for the text and page number if you want.  If
you choose the first built-in footer type you can type the text using
nonbreaking spaces between all the words (CTRL+Shift+Spacebar) and then
leave a space before entering the page number.  Immediately after inserting
the page number use CTRL with J followed by shift key and enter.  This will
cause the text to be left aligned and the page number to be right aligned.
If you want to insert a page number using a page field use Alt with Shift
and P.  Otherwise, you can insert it from the page numbers item under the
design tab of the ribbon.  You will find the “Link to previous”, “different
first page” and other often used options under the design tab.  It is a good
idea to use section breaks and then insert the blank footer for the new
section, uncheck the “link to previous” checkbox under the design tab of the
header and footer tools which is added to the right end of the ribbon as a
contextual tab, and then type the footer information.  To insert a Next page
section break press Alt followed by P followed by B followed by N.  Go To
Footer is a command that can be added to the quick access toolbar or to a
customized ribbon group, which might be helpful if you are frequently
working with footers.  Remember that using Alt with delete will let you know
the vertical position of the cursor so you can verify you are working in a
footer area.  The escape key should move focus from the footer area back
into the main document pane.

Take care.

   Brian Lee
brianl...@charter.net

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Jason White
Sent: November 24, 

Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

[Mike B.]

Hi Jean,

Make sure the ribbons are maximized.
To navigate ribbons more efficiently the ribbons need to be maximized.  The
keystroke is, control + F1.  This keystroke is a toggle so, this keystroke
will maximize & minimize.  To check if the ribbons are minimized / maximized
do the following:
1. Press the, Alt key, to open the ribbons.
2. Open the context menu with either the application key or, shift + F10.
3. Arrow up or down to the, Minimize, option.  If, Minimize, is checked, the
ribbons are minimized  Pressing, enter, on this checkbox, will uncheck it &
close the context menu & your menues will now be maximized.

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.
- Original Message - 
From: Jean Menzies
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers


Hi all,

Some small progress. I have found that if the Jaws virtual ribbon is
enabled, I can't access any of the Footer ribbons. So, with it off, I can at
least tab through the design choices, finding the areas for unlinking, etc.

But I still can't read any of the entered text until I exit the Footer style
and go back to the document. Any ideas?

Jean

-Original Message- 
From: Jean Menzies
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 4:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Hi Brian,

Excellent description, and I know that's how it should work. But no matter
what I do, I can't read any of the text I'm entering, have entered, or am
wanting to edit. Insert-F tells me the footer style text is black on black.
That shouldn't matter, I don't think.

I didn't import any old Jaws settings when I upgraded to version 18. I just
can't find why this isn't working. I also don't see the choices to unlink
from previous sections with section breaks, etc.

Very strange.

Jean

-Original Message- 
From: Brian Lee
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 10:53 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Hello,

Here is some additional information on creating footers.  I am using Word
2013 but I don't think the steps vary much from 2016.

Instead of using the dialog box you might want to use the options in the
header and footer group of the insert menu and under the design tab which is
added as a tab to the right end of the ribbon after a footer is chosen.  To
enter a built-in footer you can use CTRL with right arrow key across the
lower part of the ribbon under the insert tab until you get to the header
and footer group.  Using Word 2013, this is done seven times.  Tab to the
footer menu item and press enter.  Alternatively, use Alt followed by N
followed by O.  The first item is a blank footer and the second built-in
footer type is a footer with three areas.  If you pick the second one you
can enter the footer text in the first area and the page number in the third
and use different alignment for the text and page number if you want.  If
you choose the first built-in footer type you can type the text using
nonbreaking spaces between all the words (CTRL+Shift+Spacebar) and then
leave a space before entering the page number.  Immediately after inserting
the page number use CTRL with J followed by shift key and enter.  This will
cause the text to be left aligned and the page number to be right aligned.
If you want to insert a page number using a page field use Alt with Shift
and P.  Otherwise, you can insert it from the page numbers item under the
design tab of the ribbon.  You will find the “Link to previous”, “different
first page” and other often used options under the design tab.  It is a good
idea to use section breaks and then insert the blank footer for the new
section, uncheck the “link to previous” checkbox under the design tab of the
header and footer tools which is added to the right end of the ribbon as a
contextual tab, and then type the footer information.  To insert a Next page
section break press Alt followed by P followed by B followed by N.  Go To
Footer is a command that can be added to the quick access toolbar or to a
customized ribbon group, which might be helpful if you are frequently
working with footers.  Remember that using Alt with delete will let you know
the vertical position of the cursor so you can verify you are working in a
footer area.  The escape key should move focus from the footer area back
into the main document pane.

Take care.

Brian Lee
brianl...@charter.net

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Jason White
Sent: November 24, 2016 9:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

I'm trying to test this with JAWS 18, Windows 10 and Word 2016.

I can edit a footer by typing Alt+N, O, E. Alternatively, I can work my way
through the Insert tab of the ribbon to find this command (Insert ->
Footer

Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

[Jean Menzies]

Hi all,

Some small progress. I have found that if the Jaws virtual ribbon is 
enabled, I can't access any of the Footer ribbons. So, with it off, I can at 
least tab through the design choices, finding the areas for unlinking, etc.


But I still can't read any of the entered text until I exit the Footer style 
and go back to the document. Any ideas?


Jean

-Original Message- 
From: Jean Menzies

Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 4:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Hi Brian,

Excellent description, and I know that's how it should work. But no matter
what I do, I can't read any of the text I'm entering, have entered, or am
wanting to edit. Insert-F tells me the footer style text is black on black.
That shouldn't matter, I don't think.

I didn't import any old Jaws settings when I upgraded to version 18. I just
can't find why this isn't working. I also don't see the choices to unlink
from previous sections with section breaks, etc.

Very strange.

Jean

-Original Message- 
From: Brian Lee

Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 10:53 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Hello,

Here is some additional information on creating footers.  I am using Word
2013 but I don't think the steps vary much from 2016.

Instead of using the dialog box you might want to use the options in the
header and footer group of the insert menu and under the design tab which is
added as a tab to the right end of the ribbon after a footer is chosen.  To
enter a built-in footer you can use CTRL with right arrow key across the
lower part of the ribbon under the insert tab until you get to the header
and footer group.  Using Word 2013, this is done seven times.  Tab to the
footer menu item and press enter.  Alternatively, use Alt followed by N
followed by O.  The first item is a blank footer and the second built-in
footer type is a footer with three areas.  If you pick the second one you
can enter the footer text in the first area and the page number in the third
and use different alignment for the text and page number if you want.  If
you choose the first built-in footer type you can type the text using
nonbreaking spaces between all the words (CTRL+Shift+Spacebar) and then
leave a space before entering the page number.  Immediately after inserting
the page number use CTRL with J followed by shift key and enter.  This will
cause the text to be left aligned and the page number to be right aligned.
If you want to insert a page number using a page field use Alt with Shift
and P.  Otherwise, you can insert it from the page numbers item under the
design tab of the ribbon.  You will find the “Link to previous”, “different
first page” and other often used options under the design tab.  It is a good
idea to use section breaks and then insert the blank footer for the new
section, uncheck the “link to previous” checkbox under the design tab of the
header and footer tools which is added to the right end of the ribbon as a
contextual tab, and then type the footer information.  To insert a Next page
section break press Alt followed by P followed by B followed by N.  Go To
Footer is a command that can be added to the quick access toolbar or to a
customized ribbon group, which might be helpful if you are frequently
working with footers.  Remember that using Alt with delete will let you know
the vertical position of the cursor so you can verify you are working in a
footer area.  The escape key should move focus from the footer area back
into the main document pane.

Take care.

   Brian Lee
brianl...@charter.net

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Jason White
Sent: November 24, 2016 9:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

I'm trying to test this with JAWS 18, Windows 10 and Word 2016.

I can edit a footer by typing Alt+N, O, E. Alternatively, I can work my way
through the Insert tab of the ribbon to find this command (Insert ->
Footer -> Edit Footer).

At this point (having invoked the above command), I'm in a footer field into
which I can type text or edit existing text. While editing the footer, there
are commands in the ribbon to insert the time and date, document
information, etc.

JAWS is reading everything as expected.

Are your steps different from mine? If not, this might have been fixed in
JAWS
18 or in a Microsoft Word update. I'm running Word 2016 Pro Plus as
downloaded from Office365, so it's always kept up to date.

Jean Menzies <jemenz...@shaw.ca> wrote:

I’m using Word 2016 and Jaws 17.0.2619.

I want to create documents with page footers. Each page needs its own 
unique footer. I know how to get to the footer dialogue, but Jaws doesn’t 
read any of the text in the dialogue as I type or as it appears. Outside 
of the dialogue, I can use inser

Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

[Jean Menzies]

Hi Brian,

Excellent description, and I know that's how it should work. But no matter 
what I do, I can't read any of the text I'm entering, have entered, or am 
wanting to edit. Insert-F tells me the footer style text is black on black. 
That shouldn't matter, I don't think.


I didn't import any old Jaws settings when I upgraded to version 18. I just 
can't find why this isn't working. I also don't see the choices to unlink 
from previous sections with section breaks, etc.


Very strange.

Jean

-Original Message- 
From: Brian Lee

Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 10:53 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Hello,

Here is some additional information on creating footers.  I am using Word 
2013 but I don't think the steps vary much from 2016.


Instead of using the dialog box you might want to use the options in the 
header and footer group of the insert menu and under the design tab which is 
added as a tab to the right end of the ribbon after a footer is chosen.  To 
enter a built-in footer you can use CTRL with right arrow key across the 
lower part of the ribbon under the insert tab until you get to the header 
and footer group.  Using Word 2013, this is done seven times.  Tab to the 
footer menu item and press enter.  Alternatively, use Alt followed by N 
followed by O.  The first item is a blank footer and the second built-in 
footer type is a footer with three areas.  If you pick the second one you 
can enter the footer text in the first area and the page number in the third 
and use different alignment for the text and page number if you want.  If 
you choose the first built-in footer type you can type the text using 
nonbreaking spaces between all the words (CTRL+Shift+Spacebar) and then 
leave a space before entering the page number.  Immediately after inserting 
the page number use CTRL with J followed by shift key and enter.  This will 
cause the text to be left aligned and the page number to be right aligned. 
If you want to insert a page number using a page field use Alt with Shift 
and P.  Otherwise, you can insert it from the page numbers item under the 
design tab of the ribbon.  You will find the “Link to previous”, “different 
first page” and other often used options under the design tab.  It is a good 
idea to use section breaks and then insert the blank footer for the new 
section, uncheck the “link to previous” checkbox under the design tab of the 
header and footer tools which is added to the right end of the ribbon as a 
contextual tab, and then type the footer information.  To insert a Next page 
section break press Alt followed by P followed by B followed by N.  Go To 
Footer is a command that can be added to the quick access toolbar or to a 
customized ribbon group, which might be helpful if you are frequently 
working with footers.  Remember that using Alt with delete will let you know 
the vertical position of the cursor so you can verify you are working in a 
footer area.  The escape key should move focus from the footer area back 
into the main document pane.


Take care.

   Brian Lee
brianl...@charter.net

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Jason White

Sent: November 24, 2016 9:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

I'm trying to test this with JAWS 18, Windows 10 and Word 2016.

I can edit a footer by typing Alt+N, O, E. Alternatively, I can work my way 
through the Insert tab of the ribbon to find this command (Insert -> 
Footer -> Edit Footer).


At this point (having invoked the above command), I'm in a footer field into 
which I can type text or edit existing text. While editing the footer, there 
are commands in the ribbon to insert the time and date, document 
information, etc.


JAWS is reading everything as expected.

Are your steps different from mine? If not, this might have been fixed in 
JAWS
18 or in a Microsoft Word update. I'm running Word 2016 Pro Plus as 
downloaded from Office365, so it's always kept up to date.


Jean Menzies <jemenz...@shaw.ca> wrote:

I’m using Word 2016 and Jaws 17.0.2619.

I want to create documents with page footers. Each page needs its own 
unique footer. I know how to get to the footer dialogue, but Jaws doesn’t 
read any of the text in the dialogue as I type or as it appears. Outside 
of the dialogue, I can use insert F1 to hear document info, but this is a 
tedious way to check footers, and doesn’t allow for editing, etc.


Is there a solution for this? It used to work in previous versions of Word 
and Jaws.


Jean
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

[Jean Menzies]

Hi Jason,

I have now upgraded to Jaws 18, but I am not getting the results you get. I 
can get to the footer area in both ways as you describe. Once in the footer 
edit area, text is not spoken as I type, and nothing is readable in the 
field.


Then if I exit the footer dialogue and use insert-F1, I know that footer 
text was entered. Going back in to edit, I again cannot hear anything in 
terms of what the footer text is.


I also can't seem to find ribbon controls for adding date, time, etc.

On this same topic, can you go under Layout and insert a section break and 
see if you can unlink it from other document sections? I can't identify the 
button to do that either.


The good thing is that you can do this. I just have to figure out why I 
can't.


I'm using Office 365, if that might be different.

Jean

-Original Message- 
From: Jason White

Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 9:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

I'm trying to test this with JAWS 18, Windows 10 and Word 2016.

I can edit a footer by typing Alt+N, O, E. Alternatively, I can work my way
through the Insert tab of the ribbon to find this command (Insert -> 
Footer ->

Edit Footer).

At this point (having invoked the above command), I'm in a footer field into
which I can type text or edit existing text. While editing the footer, there
are commands in the ribbon to insert the time and date, document 
information,

etc.

JAWS is reading everything as expected.

Are your steps different from mine? If not, this might have been fixed in 
JAWS
18 or in a Microsoft Word update. I'm running Word 2016 Pro Plus as 
downloaded

from Office365, so it's always kept up to date.

Jean Menzies <jemenz...@shaw.ca> wrote:

I’m using Word 2016 and Jaws 17.0.2619.

I want to create documents with page footers. Each page needs its own 
unique footer. I know how to get to the footer dialogue, but Jaws doesn’t 
read any of the text in the dialogue as I type or as it appears. Outside 
of the dialogue, I can use insert F1 to hear document info, but this is a 
tedious way to check footers, and doesn’t allow for editing, etc.


Is there a solution for this? It used to work in previous versions of Word 
and Jaws.


Jean
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/


For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ 



For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

[Brian Lee]

Hello,

Here is some additional information on creating footers.  I am using Word 2013 
but I don't think the steps vary much from 2016.  

Instead of using the dialog box you might want to use the options in the header 
and footer group of the insert menu and under the design tab which is added as 
a tab to the right end of the ribbon after a footer is chosen.  To enter a 
built-in footer you can use CTRL with right arrow key across the lower part of 
the ribbon under the insert tab until you get to the header and footer group.  
Using Word 2013, this is done seven times.  Tab to the footer menu item and 
press enter.  Alternatively, use Alt followed by N followed by O.  The first 
item is a blank footer and the second built-in footer type is a footer with 
three areas.  If you pick the second one you can enter the footer text in the 
first area and the page number in the third and use different alignment for the 
text and page number if you want.  If you choose the first built-in footer type 
you can type the text using nonbreaking spaces between all the words 
(CTRL+Shift+Spacebar) and then leave a space before entering the page number.  
Immediately after inserting the page number use CTRL with J followed by shift 
key and enter.  This will cause the text to be left aligned and the page number 
to be right aligned.  If you want to insert a page number using a page field 
use Alt with Shift and P.  Otherwise, you can insert it from the page numbers 
item under the design tab of the ribbon.  You will find the “Link to previous”, 
“different first page” and other often used options under the design tab.  It 
is a good idea to use section breaks and then insert the blank footer for the 
new section, uncheck the “link to previous” checkbox under the design tab of 
the header and footer tools which is added to the right end of the ribbon as a 
contextual tab, and then type the footer information.  To insert a Next page 
section break press Alt followed by P followed by B followed by N.  Go To 
Footer is a command that can be added to the quick access toolbar or to a 
customized ribbon group, which might be helpful if you are frequently working 
with footers.  Remember that using Alt with delete will let you know the 
vertical position of the cursor so you can verify you are working in a footer 
area.  The escape key should move focus from the footer area back into the main 
document pane.

Take care.

Brian Lee
brianl...@charter.net

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jason White
Sent: November 24, 2016 9:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

I'm trying to test this with JAWS 18, Windows 10 and Word 2016.

I can edit a footer by typing Alt+N, O, E. Alternatively, I can work my way 
through the Insert tab of the ribbon to find this command (Insert -> Footer -> 
Edit Footer).

At this point (having invoked the above command), I'm in a footer field into 
which I can type text or edit existing text. While editing the footer, there 
are commands in the ribbon to insert the time and date, document information, 
etc.

JAWS is reading everything as expected.

Are your steps different from mine? If not, this might have been fixed in JAWS
18 or in a Microsoft Word update. I'm running Word 2016 Pro Plus as downloaded 
from Office365, so it's always kept up to date.

Jean Menzies <jemenz...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> I’m using Word 2016 and Jaws 17.0.2619. 
> 
> I want to create documents with page footers. Each page needs its own unique 
> footer. I know how to get to the footer dialogue, but Jaws doesn’t read any 
> of the text in the dialogue as I type or as it appears. Outside of the 
> dialogue, I can use insert F1 to hear document info, but this is a tedious 
> way to check footers, and doesn’t allow for editing, etc. 
> 
> Is there a solution for this? It used to work in previous versions of Word 
> and Jaws. 
> 
> Jean
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/


For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

[Jason White]

I'm trying to test this with JAWS 18, Windows 10 and Word 2016.

I can edit a footer by typing Alt+N, O, E. Alternatively, I can work my way
through the Insert tab of the ribbon to find this command (Insert -> Footer ->
Edit Footer).

At this point (having invoked the above command), I'm in a footer field into
which I can type text or edit existing text. While editing the footer, there
are commands in the ribbon to insert the time and date, document information,
etc.

JAWS is reading everything as expected.

Are your steps different from mine? If not, this might have been fixed in JAWS
18 or in a Microsoft Word update. I'm running Word 2016 Pro Plus as downloaded
from Office365, so it's always kept up to date.

Jean Menzies  wrote:
> I’m using Word 2016 and Jaws 17.0.2619. 
> 
> I want to create documents with page footers. Each page needs its own unique 
> footer. I know how to get to the footer dialogue, but Jaws doesn’t read any 
> of the text in the dialogue as I type or as it appears. Outside of the 
> dialogue, I can use insert F1 to hear document info, but this is a tedious 
> way to check footers, and doesn’t allow for editing, etc. 
> 
> Is there a solution for this? It used to work in previous versions of Word 
> and Jaws. 
> 
> Jean
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

[Adrian Spratt]

Jean, for the record, I don't mean to suggest there's any fault involved in 
keeping up-to-date with applications. Your points are well taken. I'd pursue 
this philosophical quandary for people with disabilities further, but it 
wouldn't be helpful in solving JAWS problems.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 6:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Hi Justin.

I already said which version of Jaws I have. Version 17. I can only go back to 
16 because of Windows 10. I don't know for sure which version last worked for 
this kind of project. I know I did do this before. It might have been back with 
Word 2003, as I went from Word 2003 to 2013, and am now on 2016.

I don't apologize for keeping up with technology. I just question why so much 
support gets lost along the way of supposedly sound Jaws releases. Some of us 
do try and work beyond the basic word processing level.

But, I won't continue with this rant, because I know it will go no where, and 
might be considered by some as my own fault for upgrading. Or, it might be seen 
as criticizing the goose that laid the golden egg.

I think I'm almost ready to switch to beef or something. lol.

Jean



-Original Message-
From: Justin Williams
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 2:24 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

What version of JAWS do you have?  And, what version were you last able to do 
everything you wanted to do?
Justin

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 5:00 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Jean,

In fairness, didn't you say you used to be able to handle footers in previous 
versions of Word? So maybe it isn't so much that JAWS went backwards, but that 
it hasn't kept up with Office 2016. Also, you indicated you're using JAWS 17. 
Maybe 18 has caught up.

Of course, having to keep up-to-date with JAWS via SMA is an added biennial 
expense, but I find that FS makes improvements beyond those it publicizes, 
perhaps because as it fixes one way of interacting with applications and the 
Internet, other nagging problems go away.

Still, JAWS is far from perfect, and it's maddening when what worked in one 
version of JAWS or in a program it used to support suddenly doesn't. this is 
why those of us who keep up with JAWS but don't go out and buy the latest 
version of every other application can get annoyingly smug.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 4:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Hi Adrian,

Thanks for the idea. However, I have changed my plan for this project because 
the workarounds I have are just too prone too error. I wanted to compile 
recipes with each section being a new recipe. Then, have a footer for each 
recipe, plus, if the recipe went to more than one page, a continuation footer 
for that recipe. Page numbers continuous. Plus a front section of Roman page 
numbers with a generated table of contents.

Honestly, I find so much that Jaws isn't reading in the various dialogues to do 
this. I am struggling with section breaks, page numbering, and especially the 
footers. So many steps backward in accessibility in my humble opinion.
And I'm supposed to pay for a Jaws upgrade SMA now. Just wondering why. How 
many more things can they screw up or not keep up with? It always seems that 
once past the basics, accessibility is somewhat lacking.

Sorry everyone for the vent, but I hate dumbing something down just to make it 
work. I used to be able to do all of this with no problem. Now, not so much.

Jean

-Original Message-
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 10:39 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Hi, Jean.

I notice that no MS Word 2016 user has responded. As a 2010 user, where I know 
footers worked fine for you, I can offer only the suggestion that you type the 
text you want to appear in the footer in a separate document and paste it into 
the footer field. Hardly elegant, but it might be a workaround.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:09 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

I’m using Word 2016 and Jaws 17.0.2619.

I want to create documents with page footers. Each page needs its own unique 
footer. I know how to get to the footer dialogue, but Jaws doesn’t read any

Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

[Jean Menzies]

Hi Justin.

I already said which version of Jaws I have. Version 17. I can only go back 
to 16 because of Windows 10. I don't know for sure which version last worked 
for this kind of project. I know I did do this before. It might have been 
back with Word 2003, as I went from Word 2003 to 2013, and am now on 2016.


I don't apologize for keeping up with technology. I just question why so 
much support gets lost along the way of supposedly sound Jaws releases. Some 
of us do try and work beyond the basic word processing level.


But, I won't continue with this rant, because I know it will go no where, 
and might be considered by some as my own fault for upgrading. Or, it might 
be seen as criticizing the goose that laid the golden egg.


I think I'm almost ready to switch to beef or something. lol.

Jean



-Original Message- 
From: Justin Williams

Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 2:24 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

What version of JAWS do you have?  And, what version were you last able to 
do everything you wanted to do?

Justin

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Adrian Spratt

Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 5:00 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Jean,

In fairness, didn't you say you used to be able to handle footers in 
previous versions of Word? So maybe it isn't so much that JAWS went 
backwards, but that it hasn't kept up with Office 2016. Also, you indicated 
you're using JAWS 17. Maybe 18 has caught up.


Of course, having to keep up-to-date with JAWS via SMA is an added biennial 
expense, but I find that FS makes improvements beyond those it publicizes, 
perhaps because as it fixes one way of interacting with applications and the 
Internet, other nagging problems go away.


Still, JAWS is far from perfect, and it's maddening when what worked in one 
version of JAWS or in a program it used to support suddenly doesn't. this is 
why those of us who keep up with JAWS but don't go out and buy the latest 
version of every other application can get annoyingly smug.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Jean Menzies

Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 4:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Hi Adrian,

Thanks for the idea. However, I have changed my plan for this project 
because the workarounds I have are just too prone too error. I wanted to 
compile recipes with each section being a new recipe. Then, have a footer 
for each recipe, plus, if the recipe went to more than one page, a 
continuation footer for that recipe. Page numbers continuous. Plus a front 
section of Roman page numbers with a generated table of contents.


Honestly, I find so much that Jaws isn't reading in the various dialogues to 
do this. I am struggling with section breaks, page numbering, and especially 
the footers. So many steps backward in accessibility in my humble opinion.
And I'm supposed to pay for a Jaws upgrade SMA now. Just wondering why. How 
many more things can they screw up or not keep up with? It always seems that 
once past the basics, accessibility is somewhat lacking.


Sorry everyone for the vent, but I hate dumbing something down just to make 
it work. I used to be able to do all of this with no problem. Now, not so 
much.


Jean

-Original Message-
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 10:39 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Hi, Jean.

I notice that no MS Word 2016 user has responded. As a 2010 user, where I 
know footers worked fine for you, I can offer only the suggestion that you 
type the text you want to appear in the footer in a separate document and 
paste it into the footer field. Hardly elegant, but it might be a 
workaround.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Jean Menzies

Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:09 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

I’m using Word 2016 and Jaws 17.0.2619.

I want to create documents with page footers. Each page needs its own unique 
footer. I know how to get to the footer dialogue, but Jaws doesn’t read any 
of the text in the dialogue as I type or as it appears. Outside of the 
dialogue, I can use insert F1 to hear document info, but this is a tedious 
way to check footers, and doesn’t allow for editing, etc.


Is there a solution for this? It used to work in previous versions of Word 
and Jaws.


Jean
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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http://www.jaws-users.com/help/


For answers

Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

[Jean Menzies]

Ah,  but not keeping up is the same as going backwards. At least that's how 
I see it. Why should we be relegated to the end of the line for modern 
software that has been out for quite some time and that other piers are 
using just to say we have something accessible? It makes me wonder why they 
continually release product without ensuring it has at least the 
functionality as its predecessor. I still hold by my comment that as long as 
they account for that lowest common ddenominator, that it's often viewed as 
good enough to go out the door.


Thank goodness I'm not actually relying on this functionality for 
employment.



-Original Message- 
From: Adrian Spratt

Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 1:59 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Jean,

In fairness, didn't you say you used to be able to handle footers in 
previous versions of Word? So maybe it isn't so much that JAWS went 
backwards, but that it hasn't kept up with Office 2016. Also, you indicated 
you're using JAWS 17. Maybe 18 has caught up.


Of course, having to keep up-to-date with JAWS via SMA is an added biennial 
expense, but I find that FS makes improvements beyond those it publicizes, 
perhaps because as it fixes one way of interacting with applications and the 
Internet, other nagging problems go away.


Still, JAWS is far from perfect, and it's maddening when what worked in one 
version of JAWS or in a program it used to support suddenly doesn't. this is 
why those of us who keep up with JAWS but don't go out and buy the latest 
version of every other application can get annoyingly smug.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Jean Menzies

Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 4:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Hi Adrian,

Thanks for the idea. However, I have changed my plan for this project 
because the workarounds I have are just too prone too error. I wanted to 
compile recipes with each section being a new recipe. Then, have a footer 
for each recipe, plus, if the recipe went to more than one page, a 
continuation footer for that recipe. Page numbers continuous. Plus a front 
section of Roman page numbers with a generated table of contents.


Honestly, I find so much that Jaws isn't reading in the various dialogues to 
do this. I am struggling with section breaks, page numbering, and especially 
the footers. So many steps backward in accessibility in my humble opinion.
And I'm supposed to pay for a Jaws upgrade SMA now. Just wondering why. How 
many more things can they screw up or not keep up with? It always seems that 
once past the basics, accessibility is somewhat lacking.


Sorry everyone for the vent, but I hate dumbing something down just to make 
it work. I used to be able to do all of this with no problem. Now, not so 
much.


Jean

-Original Message-
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 10:39 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Hi, Jean.

I notice that no MS Word 2016 user has responded. As a 2010 user, where I 
know footers worked fine for you, I can offer only the suggestion that you 
type the text you want to appear in the footer in a separate document and 
paste it into the footer field. Hardly elegant, but it might be a 
workaround.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Jean Menzies

Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:09 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

I’m using Word 2016 and Jaws 17.0.2619.

I want to create documents with page footers. Each page needs its own unique 
footer. I know how to get to the footer dialogue, but Jaws doesn’t read any 
of the text in the dialogue as I type or as it appears. Outside of the 
dialogue, I can use insert F1 to hear document info, but this is a tedious 
way to check footers, and doesn’t allow for editing, etc.


Is there a solution for this? It used to work in previous versions of Word 
and Jaws.


Jean
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

[Justin Williams]

Okay, I found my answer; you are on 17.
 Justin

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Kurt Miller
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 4:19 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Jean,
I understand you completely. I had to go back to 16 to use Excel correctly for 
my work. So much for job access,huh. Once you get a monopoly, you get what they 
want.
Kurt

After blindness and a double organ transplant, you can say I am as resilient as 
rubber, anything you throw at me I am going to bounce back from!

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 4:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Hi Adrian,

Thanks for the idea. However, I have changed my plan for this project because 
the workarounds I have are just too prone too error. I wanted to compile 
recipes with each section being a new recipe. Then, have a footer for each 
recipe, plus, if the recipe went to more than one page, a continuation footer 
for that recipe. Page numbers continuous. Plus a front section of Roman page 
numbers with a generated table of contents.

Honestly, I find so much that Jaws isn't reading in the various dialogues to do 
this. I am struggling with section breaks, page numbering, and especially the 
footers. So many steps backward in accessibility in my humble opinion. 
And I'm supposed to pay for a Jaws upgrade SMA now. Just wondering why. How 
many more things can they screw up or not keep up with? It always seems that 
once past the basics, accessibility is somewhat lacking.

Sorry everyone for the vent, but I hate dumbing something down just to make it 
work. I used to be able to do all of this with no problem. Now, not so much.

Jean

-Original Message-
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 10:39 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Hi, Jean.

I notice that no MS Word 2016 user has responded. As a 2010 user, where I know 
footers worked fine for you, I can offer only the suggestion that you type the 
text you want to appear in the footer in a separate document and paste it into 
the footer field. Hardly elegant, but it might be a workaround.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:09 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

I’m using Word 2016 and Jaws 17.0.2619.

I want to create documents with page footers. Each page needs its own unique 
footer. I know how to get to the footer dialogue, but Jaws doesn’t read any of 
the text in the dialogue as I type or as it appears. Outside of the dialogue, I 
can use insert F1 to hear document info, but this is a tedious way to check 
footers, and doesn’t allow for editing, etc.

Is there a solution for this? It used to work in previous versions of Word and 
Jaws.

Jean
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

[Justin Williams]

What version of JAWS do you have?  And, what version were you last able to do 
everything you wanted to do?
 Justin

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 5:00 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Jean,

In fairness, didn't you say you used to be able to handle footers in previous 
versions of Word? So maybe it isn't so much that JAWS went backwards, but that 
it hasn't kept up with Office 2016. Also, you indicated you're using JAWS 17. 
Maybe 18 has caught up. 

Of course, having to keep up-to-date with JAWS via SMA is an added biennial 
expense, but I find that FS makes improvements beyond those it publicizes, 
perhaps because as it fixes one way of interacting with applications and the 
Internet, other nagging problems go away. 

Still, JAWS is far from perfect, and it's maddening when what worked in one 
version of JAWS or in a program it used to support suddenly doesn't. this is 
why those of us who keep up with JAWS but don't go out and buy the latest 
version of every other application can get annoyingly smug.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 4:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Hi Adrian,

Thanks for the idea. However, I have changed my plan for this project because 
the workarounds I have are just too prone too error. I wanted to compile 
recipes with each section being a new recipe. Then, have a footer for each 
recipe, plus, if the recipe went to more than one page, a continuation footer 
for that recipe. Page numbers continuous. Plus a front section of Roman page 
numbers with a generated table of contents.

Honestly, I find so much that Jaws isn't reading in the various dialogues to do 
this. I am struggling with section breaks, page numbering, and especially the 
footers. So many steps backward in accessibility in my humble opinion. 
And I'm supposed to pay for a Jaws upgrade SMA now. Just wondering why. How 
many more things can they screw up or not keep up with? It always seems that 
once past the basics, accessibility is somewhat lacking.

Sorry everyone for the vent, but I hate dumbing something down just to make it 
work. I used to be able to do all of this with no problem. Now, not so much.

Jean

-Original Message-
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 10:39 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Hi, Jean.

I notice that no MS Word 2016 user has responded. As a 2010 user, where I know 
footers worked fine for you, I can offer only the suggestion that you type the 
text you want to appear in the footer in a separate document and paste it into 
the footer field. Hardly elegant, but it might be a workaround.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:09 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

I’m using Word 2016 and Jaws 17.0.2619.

I want to create documents with page footers. Each page needs its own unique 
footer. I know how to get to the footer dialogue, but Jaws doesn’t read any of 
the text in the dialogue as I type or as it appears. Outside of the dialogue, I 
can use insert F1 to hear document info, but this is a tedious way to check 
footers, and doesn’t allow for editing, etc.

Is there a solution for this? It used to work in previous versions of Word and 
Jaws.

Jean
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

[Adrian Spratt]

Jean,

In fairness, didn't you say you used to be able to handle footers in previous 
versions of Word? So maybe it isn't so much that JAWS went backwards, but that 
it hasn't kept up with Office 2016. Also, you indicated you're using JAWS 17. 
Maybe 18 has caught up. 

Of course, having to keep up-to-date with JAWS via SMA is an added biennial 
expense, but I find that FS makes improvements beyond those it publicizes, 
perhaps because as it fixes one way of interacting with applications and the 
Internet, other nagging problems go away. 

Still, JAWS is far from perfect, and it's maddening when what worked in one 
version of JAWS or in a program it used to support suddenly doesn't. this is 
why those of us who keep up with JAWS but don't go out and buy the latest 
version of every other application can get annoyingly smug.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 4:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Hi Adrian,

Thanks for the idea. However, I have changed my plan for this project because 
the workarounds I have are just too prone too error. I wanted to compile 
recipes with each section being a new recipe. Then, have a footer for each 
recipe, plus, if the recipe went to more than one page, a continuation footer 
for that recipe. Page numbers continuous. Plus a front section of Roman page 
numbers with a generated table of contents.

Honestly, I find so much that Jaws isn't reading in the various dialogues to do 
this. I am struggling with section breaks, page numbering, and especially the 
footers. So many steps backward in accessibility in my humble opinion. 
And I'm supposed to pay for a Jaws upgrade SMA now. Just wondering why. How 
many more things can they screw up or not keep up with? It always seems that 
once past the basics, accessibility is somewhat lacking.

Sorry everyone for the vent, but I hate dumbing something down just to make it 
work. I used to be able to do all of this with no problem. Now, not so much.

Jean

-Original Message-
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 10:39 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Hi, Jean.

I notice that no MS Word 2016 user has responded. As a 2010 user, where I know 
footers worked fine for you, I can offer only the suggestion that you type the 
text you want to appear in the footer in a separate document and paste it into 
the footer field. Hardly elegant, but it might be a workaround.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:09 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

I’m using Word 2016 and Jaws 17.0.2619.

I want to create documents with page footers. Each page needs its own unique 
footer. I know how to get to the footer dialogue, but Jaws doesn’t read any of 
the text in the dialogue as I type or as it appears. Outside of the dialogue, I 
can use insert F1 to hear document info, but this is a tedious way to check 
footers, and doesn’t allow for editing, etc.

Is there a solution for this? It used to work in previous versions of Word and 
Jaws.

Jean
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

[Jean Menzies]

I tried Jaws 16 as well, but I had the same problems. I'm using Windows 10, 
so I can't go to anything less than 16 for Jaws. Feeling very frustrated, as 
I know how to make this a nice visual document, but I can't get it done with 
reliable accuracy. Makes me look like the one with less than par word 
processing skills. And, for the record, NVDA doesn't handle this well 
either. So much for job access.


Jean

-Original Message- 
From: Kurt Miller

Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 1:19 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Jean,
I understand you completely. I had to go back to 16 to use Excel correctly 
for my work. So much for job access,huh. Once you get a monopoly, you get 
what they want.

Kurt

After blindness and a double organ transplant, you can say I am as resilient 
as rubber, anything you throw at me I am going to bounce back from!


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Jean Menzies

Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 4:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Hi Adrian,

Thanks for the idea. However, I have changed my plan for this project 
because the workarounds I have are just too prone too error. I wanted to 
compile recipes with each section being a new recipe. Then, have a footer 
for each recipe, plus, if the recipe went to more than one page, a 
continuation footer for that recipe. Page numbers continuous. Plus a front 
section of Roman page numbers with a generated table of contents.


Honestly, I find so much that Jaws isn't reading in the various dialogues to 
do this. I am struggling with section breaks, page numbering, and especially 
the footers. So many steps backward in accessibility in my humble opinion.
And I'm supposed to pay for a Jaws upgrade SMA now. Just wondering why. How 
many more things can they screw up or not keep up with? It always seems that 
once past the basics, accessibility is somewhat lacking.


Sorry everyone for the vent, but I hate dumbing something down just to make 
it work. I used to be able to do all of this with no problem. Now, not so 
much.


Jean

-Original Message-
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 10:39 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Hi, Jean.

I notice that no MS Word 2016 user has responded. As a 2010 user, where I 
know footers worked fine for you, I can offer only the suggestion that you 
type the text you want to appear in the footer in a separate document and 
paste it into the footer field. Hardly elegant, but it might be a 
workaround.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Jean Menzies

Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:09 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

I’m using Word 2016 and Jaws 17.0.2619.

I want to create documents with page footers. Each page needs its own unique 
footer. I know how to get to the footer dialogue, but Jaws doesn’t read any 
of the text in the dialogue as I type or as it appears. Outside of the 
dialogue, I can use insert F1 to hear document info, but this is a tedious 
way to check footers, and doesn’t allow for editing, etc.


Is there a solution for this? It used to work in previous versions of Word 
and Jaws.


Jean
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

[Kurt Miller]

Jean,
I understand you completely. I had to go back to 16 to use Excel correctly for 
my work. So much for job access,huh. Once you get a monopoly, you get what they 
want.
Kurt

After blindness and a double organ transplant, you can say I am as resilient as 
rubber, anything you throw at me I am going to bounce back from!

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 4:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Hi Adrian,

Thanks for the idea. However, I have changed my plan for this project because 
the workarounds I have are just too prone too error. I wanted to compile 
recipes with each section being a new recipe. Then, have a footer for each 
recipe, plus, if the recipe went to more than one page, a continuation footer 
for that recipe. Page numbers continuous. Plus a front section of Roman page 
numbers with a generated table of contents.

Honestly, I find so much that Jaws isn't reading in the various dialogues to do 
this. I am struggling with section breaks, page numbering, and especially the 
footers. So many steps backward in accessibility in my humble opinion. 
And I'm supposed to pay for a Jaws upgrade SMA now. Just wondering why. How 
many more things can they screw up or not keep up with? It always seems that 
once past the basics, accessibility is somewhat lacking.

Sorry everyone for the vent, but I hate dumbing something down just to make it 
work. I used to be able to do all of this with no problem. Now, not so much.

Jean

-Original Message-
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 10:39 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Hi, Jean.

I notice that no MS Word 2016 user has responded. As a 2010 user, where I know 
footers worked fine for you, I can offer only the suggestion that you type the 
text you want to appear in the footer in a separate document and paste it into 
the footer field. Hardly elegant, but it might be a workaround.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:09 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

I’m using Word 2016 and Jaws 17.0.2619.

I want to create documents with page footers. Each page needs its own unique 
footer. I know how to get to the footer dialogue, but Jaws doesn’t read any of 
the text in the dialogue as I type or as it appears. Outside of the dialogue, I 
can use insert F1 to hear document info, but this is a tedious way to check 
footers, and doesn’t allow for editing, etc.

Is there a solution for this? It used to work in previous versions of Word and 
Jaws.

Jean
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

[Jean Menzies]

Hi Adrian,

Thanks for the idea. However, I have changed my plan for this project 
because the workarounds I have are just too prone too error. I wanted to 
compile recipes with each section being a new recipe. Then, have a footer 
for each recipe, plus, if the recipe went to more than one page, a 
continuation footer for that recipe. Page numbers continuous. Plus a front 
section of Roman page numbers with a generated table of contents.


Honestly, I find so much that Jaws isn't reading in the various dialogues to 
do this. I am struggling with section breaks, page numbering, and especially 
the footers. So many steps backward in accessibility in my humble opinion. 
And I'm supposed to pay for a Jaws upgrade SMA now. Just wondering why. How 
many more things can they screw up or not keep up with? It always seems that 
once past the basics, accessibility is somewhat lacking.


Sorry everyone for the vent, but I hate dumbing something down just to make 
it work. I used to be able to do all of this with no problem. Now, not so 
much.


Jean

-Original Message- 
From: Adrian Spratt

Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 10:39 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

Hi, Jean.

I notice that no MS Word 2016 user has responded. As a 2010 user, where I 
know footers worked fine for you, I can offer only the suggestion that you 
type the text you want to appear in the footer in a separate document and 
paste it into the footer field. Hardly elegant, but it might be a 
workaround.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Jean Menzies

Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:09 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

I’m using Word 2016 and Jaws 17.0.2619.

I want to create documents with page footers. Each page needs its own unique 
footer. I know how to get to the footer dialogue, but Jaws doesn’t read any 
of the text in the dialogue as I type or as it appears. Outside of the 
dialogue, I can use insert F1 to hear document info, but this is a tedious 
way to check footers, and doesn’t allow for editing, etc.


Is there a solution for this? It used to work in previous versions of Word 
and Jaws.


Jean
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

[Adrian Spratt]

Hi, Jean.

I notice that no MS Word 2016 user has responded. As a 2010 user, where I know 
footers worked fine for you, I can offer only the suggestion that you type the 
text you want to appear in the footer in a separate document and paste it into 
the footer field. Hardly elegant, but it might be a workaround. 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:09 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

I’m using Word 2016 and Jaws 17.0.2619. 

I want to create documents with page footers. Each page needs its own unique 
footer. I know how to get to the footer dialogue, but Jaws doesn’t read any of 
the text in the dialogue as I type or as it appears. Outside of the dialogue, I 
can use insert F1 to hear document info, but this is a tedious way to check 
footers, and doesn’t allow for editing, etc. 

Is there a solution for this? It used to work in previous versions of Word and 
Jaws. 

Jean
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17, Word 2016 and footers

[Joey Lamperis]

You may want to repair jaws I don't know

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 20, 2016, at 3:09 PM, Jean Menzies  wrote:
> 
> I’m using Word 2016 and Jaws 17.0.2619. 
> 
> I want to create documents with page footers. Each page needs its own unique 
> footer. I know how to get to the footer dialogue, but Jaws doesn’t read any 
> of the text in the dialogue as I type or as it appears. Outside of the 
> dialogue, I can use insert F1 to hear document info, but this is a tedious 
> way to check footers, and doesn’t allow for editing, etc. 
> 
> Is there a solution for this? It used to work in previous versions of Word 
> and Jaws. 
> 
> Jean
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