Re: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws
I can't seem to get the screen shade to work with windows 10 1709? -Original Message- From: Dennis Long Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:36 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws I'm disappointed to see the screen shade is for windows 8 and 10 and that you didn't include windows7. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws
Sorry about that, I was just saying for some of us that work with specialized hardware for example my hardware that tests speaker drivers I have to use win 7 as win 10 doesn't like it. So my shop PC runs win 7 and my home PC runs win10. If I want win 10 in my shop I will have to upgrade the tester and that is money I don't need to spend when win 7 does everything I need it too at the shop. Win 10 is just a OS trying to act like a smart phone trying to be a social platform... On 12/12/2017 12:34 PM, Randy Barnett wrote: On 12/12/2017 10:52 AM, Nathaniel Kile wrote: Hello, You do have a point. Here is something to consider, as the programs change from old to new, it can become much more difficult to continue reaching back to make the old, work with the infrastructure of the new. IT can be much more involved than one may think and I feel for developers who have to keep patching up the old software. Perhaps they will Take care, Nate Kile, Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual instruction for schools Also Private training to your needs 907-444-3707 Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: www.yourtechvision.com -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:34 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws Here is the point Windows7 is still support thus new features should work with it. I also noticed the installer issue has been reported on other lists for windows7 hasn't been fixed it would appear. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Nathaniel Kile Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 1:25 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws Hello, Keep in mind, Windows 7 is only one version away from Vista and Vista is considered a fossil at this point. In training clients, it is unfortunate to have clients who have held on to old technology until the point that their skills start to become antiquated and dated. Technology is like a steam roller, if we don't stay ahead of it, it will run us right over without a second thought. When I hear people talking about old OS operating systems, they might as well be talking about XP. Sorry to sound perhaps rough, but with all of the updates to 10, 7 is pretty much like XP at this point. Microsoft has already warned users that the security architecture for Windows 7 is extremely vulnerable and open to many types of risks, and they dropped a significant amount of support for it back in 2013. It will lose all support in 2020 and if one is using Windows 7 or Internet Explorer, you are falling behind the train. I am not trying to start a debate, and hope that my words don't come across as combative, just putting this out there so it doesn't come back to be a thorn in anyone's side. Nate Kile, Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual instruction for schools Also Private training to your needs 907-444-3707 Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: www.yourtechvision.com -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:41 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws Hi, This is because the underlying technology is only available on Windows 8 and 10, similar to complete touchscreen support. Screen Shade cannot be backported to Windows 7 (might be, but it is both difficult and as Win7 is in security maintenance mode at this time). Cheers, Joseph -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:36 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws I'm disappointed to see the screen shade is for windows 8 and 10 and that you didn't include windows7. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ -- Sincerely: Randy Barnett (Owner) Soundtique Grants Pass, Oregon. For answers to fr
Re: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws
Some of us rely on programs that arent always well behaved on win 10. I have a tester for speaker drivers that wont run on win 10. I am not going to buy another tester, the hardware is not cheap (waste of resources) when win 7 works just fine. My home pc does run win 10 though. On 12/12/2017 10:52 AM, Nathaniel Kile wrote: Hello, You do have a point. Here is something to consider, as the programs change from old to new, it can become much more difficult to continue reaching back to make the old, work with the infrastructure of the new. IT can be much more involved than one may think and I feel for developers who have to keep patching up the old software. Perhaps they will Take care, Nate Kile, Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual instruction for schools Also Private training to your needs 907-444-3707 Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: www.yourtechvision.com -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:34 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws Here is the point Windows7 is still support thus new features should work with it. I also noticed the installer issue has been reported on other lists for windows7 hasn't been fixed it would appear. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Nathaniel Kile Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 1:25 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws Hello, Keep in mind, Windows 7 is only one version away from Vista and Vista is considered a fossil at this point. In training clients, it is unfortunate to have clients who have held on to old technology until the point that their skills start to become antiquated and dated. Technology is like a steam roller, if we don't stay ahead of it, it will run us right over without a second thought. When I hear people talking about old OS operating systems, they might as well be talking about XP. Sorry to sound perhaps rough, but with all of the updates to 10, 7 is pretty much like XP at this point. Microsoft has already warned users that the security architecture for Windows 7 is extremely vulnerable and open to many types of risks, and they dropped a significant amount of support for it back in 2013. It will lose all support in 2020 and if one is using Windows 7 or Internet Explorer, you are falling behind the train. I am not trying to start a debate, and hope that my words don't come across as combative, just putting this out there so it doesn't come back to be a thorn in anyone's side. Nate Kile, Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual instruction for schools Also Private training to your needs 907-444-3707 Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: www.yourtechvision.com -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:41 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws Hi, This is because the underlying technology is only available on Windows 8 and 10, similar to complete touchscreen support. Screen Shade cannot be backported to Windows 7 (might be, but it is both difficult and as Win7 is in security maintenance mode at this time). Cheers, Joseph -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:36 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws I'm disappointed to see the screen shade is for windows 8 and 10 and that you didn't include windows7. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ -- Sincerely: Randy Barnett (Owner) Soundtique Grants Pass, Oregon. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws
On 12/12/2017 10:52 AM, Nathaniel Kile wrote: Hello, You do have a point. Here is something to consider, as the programs change from old to new, it can become much more difficult to continue reaching back to make the old, work with the infrastructure of the new. IT can be much more involved than one may think and I feel for developers who have to keep patching up the old software. Perhaps they will Take care, Nate Kile, Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual instruction for schools Also Private training to your needs 907-444-3707 Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: www.yourtechvision.com -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:34 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws Here is the point Windows7 is still support thus new features should work with it. I also noticed the installer issue has been reported on other lists for windows7 hasn't been fixed it would appear. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Nathaniel Kile Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 1:25 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws Hello, Keep in mind, Windows 7 is only one version away from Vista and Vista is considered a fossil at this point. In training clients, it is unfortunate to have clients who have held on to old technology until the point that their skills start to become antiquated and dated. Technology is like a steam roller, if we don't stay ahead of it, it will run us right over without a second thought. When I hear people talking about old OS operating systems, they might as well be talking about XP. Sorry to sound perhaps rough, but with all of the updates to 10, 7 is pretty much like XP at this point. Microsoft has already warned users that the security architecture for Windows 7 is extremely vulnerable and open to many types of risks, and they dropped a significant amount of support for it back in 2013. It will lose all support in 2020 and if one is using Windows 7 or Internet Explorer, you are falling behind the train. I am not trying to start a debate, and hope that my words don't come across as combative, just putting this out there so it doesn't come back to be a thorn in anyone's side. Nate Kile, Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual instruction for schools Also Private training to your needs 907-444-3707 Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: www.yourtechvision.com -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:41 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws Hi, This is because the underlying technology is only available on Windows 8 and 10, similar to complete touchscreen support. Screen Shade cannot be backported to Windows 7 (might be, but it is both difficult and as Win7 is in security maintenance mode at this time). Cheers, Joseph -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:36 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws I'm disappointed to see the screen shade is for windows 8 and 10 and that you didn't include windows7. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ -- Sincerely: Randy Barnett (Owner) Soundtique Grants Pass, Oregon. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws
Hello, you are right. I was not a tech person for many years and I simply didn't understand the importance of staying abreast of changes. Now that I am on the other side of the fence I continually come across clients who would like to return to the work force and do not have the skills to be competitive or efficient in the work place. This is very discouraging for them and sometimes a deal breaker for more training. Thankfully there are lists like this around for people to share their knowledge on. Nate Kile, Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual instruction for schools Also Private training to your needs 907-444-3707 Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: www.yourtechvision.com -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of t Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:44 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws I don't believe you sound combative, but there are a lot of us jaws users that really are behind the curve when it comes to pc technology, and simply don't feel the need to advance like you tech folks, but all of us are so glad yall are here, onlist, when something is more than we know, so thank all of you for your help -Original Message- From: Nathaniel Kile Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 12:24 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws Hello, Keep in mind, Windows 7 is only one version away from Vista and Vista is considered a fossil at this point. In training clients, it is unfortunate to have clients who have held on to old technology until the point that their skills start to become antiquated and dated. Technology is like a steam roller, if we don't stay ahead of it, it will run us right over without a second thought. When I hear people talking about old OS operating systems, they might as well be talking about XP. Sorry to sound perhaps rough, but with all of the updates to 10, 7 is pretty much like XP at this point. Microsoft has already warned users that the security architecture for Windows 7 is extremely vulnerable and open to many types of risks, and they dropped a significant amount of support for it back in 2013. It will lose all support in 2020 and if one is using Windows 7 or Internet Explorer, you are falling behind the train. I am not trying to start a debate, and hope that my words don't come across as combative, just putting this out there so it doesn't come back to be a thorn in anyone's side. Nate Kile, Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual instruction for schools Also Private training to your needs 907-444-3707 Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: www.yourtechvision.com -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:41 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws Hi, This is because the underlying technology is only available on Windows 8 and 10, similar to complete touchscreen support. Screen Shade cannot be backported to Windows 7 (might be, but it is both difficult and as Win7 is in security maintenance mode at this time). Cheers, Joseph -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:36 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws I'm disappointed to see the screen shade is for windows 8 and 10 and that you didn't include windows7. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws
Yes, all that is certainly true. NVDA is also fazing out support for older operating systems. It comes to a point where you may as well just use the old versions. Why bother to continue updating your software if none of the new features work for you? I used an XP machine for a really long time (until early this year in fact) even though I was on Windows 7 and then 10 at work. A lot of people want to hang on to Windows 7 and that's certainly understandable. But new features are designed to work with new products and that's always the way it's been. I'm sure many besides myself remember when everyone in the sighted world was switching to Windows 3.1 and screen-reader support was minimal and patchy at best. Eventually, we all caught up, but it took quite some time. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Nathaniel Kile Sent: December 12, 2017 1:52 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws Hello, You do have a point. Here is something to consider, as the programs change from old to new, it can become much more difficult to continue reaching back to make the old, work with the infrastructure of the new. IT can be much more involved than one may think and I feel for developers who have to keep patching up the old software. Perhaps they will Take care, Nate Kile, Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual instruction for schools Also Private training to your needs 907-444-3707 Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: www.yourtechvision.com -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:34 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws Here is the point Windows7 is still support thus new features should work with it. I also noticed the installer issue has been reported on other lists for windows7 hasn't been fixed it would appear. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Nathaniel Kile Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 1:25 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws Hello, Keep in mind, Windows 7 is only one version away from Vista and Vista is considered a fossil at this point. In training clients, it is unfortunate to have clients who have held on to old technology until the point that their skills start to become antiquated and dated. Technology is like a steam roller, if we don't stay ahead of it, it will run us right over without a second thought. When I hear people talking about old OS operating systems, they might as well be talking about XP. Sorry to sound perhaps rough, but with all of the updates to 10, 7 is pretty much like XP at this point. Microsoft has already warned users that the security architecture for Windows 7 is extremely vulnerable and open to many types of risks, and they dropped a significant amount of support for it back in 2013. It will lose all support in 2020 and if one is using Windows 7 or Internet Explorer, you are falling behind the train. I am not trying to start a debate, and hope that my words don't come across as combative, just putting this out there so it doesn't come back to be a thorn in anyone's side. Nate Kile, Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual instruction for schools Also Private training to your needs 907-444-3707 Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: www.yourtechvision.com -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:41 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws Hi, This is because the underlying technology is only available on Windows 8 and 10, similar to complete touchscreen support. Screen Shade cannot be backported to Windows 7 (might be, but it is both difficult and as Win7 is in security maintenance mode at this time). Cheers, Joseph -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:36 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws I'm disappointed to see the screen shade is for windows 8 and 10 and that you didn't include windows7. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list vis
Re: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws
Hi Dennis, The way you wrote your message, it sounds like you are addressing the developers of Jaws, in which case you should be writing to them directly, and not necessarily this list. Richard Q. Justice-list moderator jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com - Original Message - From: "Dennis Long" <dennisl1...@gmail.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 12:36 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws I'm disappointed to see the screen shade is for windows 8 and 10 and that you didn't include windows7. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws
Hello, You do have a point. Here is something to consider, as the programs change from old to new, it can become much more difficult to continue reaching back to make the old, work with the infrastructure of the new. IT can be much more involved than one may think and I feel for developers who have to keep patching up the old software. Perhaps they will Take care, Nate Kile, Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual instruction for schools Also Private training to your needs 907-444-3707 Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: www.yourtechvision.com -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:34 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws Here is the point Windows7 is still support thus new features should work with it. I also noticed the installer issue has been reported on other lists for windows7 hasn't been fixed it would appear. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Nathaniel Kile Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 1:25 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws Hello, Keep in mind, Windows 7 is only one version away from Vista and Vista is considered a fossil at this point. In training clients, it is unfortunate to have clients who have held on to old technology until the point that their skills start to become antiquated and dated. Technology is like a steam roller, if we don't stay ahead of it, it will run us right over without a second thought. When I hear people talking about old OS operating systems, they might as well be talking about XP. Sorry to sound perhaps rough, but with all of the updates to 10, 7 is pretty much like XP at this point. Microsoft has already warned users that the security architecture for Windows 7 is extremely vulnerable and open to many types of risks, and they dropped a significant amount of support for it back in 2013. It will lose all support in 2020 and if one is using Windows 7 or Internet Explorer, you are falling behind the train. I am not trying to start a debate, and hope that my words don't come across as combative, just putting this out there so it doesn't come back to be a thorn in anyone's side. Nate Kile, Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual instruction for schools Also Private training to your needs 907-444-3707 Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: www.yourtechvision.com -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:41 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws Hi, This is because the underlying technology is only available on Windows 8 and 10, similar to complete touchscreen support. Screen Shade cannot be backported to Windows 7 (might be, but it is both difficult and as Win7 is in security maintenance mode at this time). Cheers, Joseph -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:36 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws I'm disappointed to see the screen shade is for windows 8 and 10 and that you didn't include windows7. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws
I don't believe you sound combative, but there are a lot of us jaws users that really are behind the curve when it comes to pc technology, and simply don't feel the need to advance like you tech folks, but all of us are so glad yall are here, onlist, when something is more than we know, so thank all of you for your help -Original Message- From: Nathaniel Kile Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 12:24 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws Hello, Keep in mind, Windows 7 is only one version away from Vista and Vista is considered a fossil at this point. In training clients, it is unfortunate to have clients who have held on to old technology until the point that their skills start to become antiquated and dated. Technology is like a steam roller, if we don't stay ahead of it, it will run us right over without a second thought. When I hear people talking about old OS operating systems, they might as well be talking about XP. Sorry to sound perhaps rough, but with all of the updates to 10, 7 is pretty much like XP at this point. Microsoft has already warned users that the security architecture for Windows 7 is extremely vulnerable and open to many types of risks, and they dropped a significant amount of support for it back in 2013. It will lose all support in 2020 and if one is using Windows 7 or Internet Explorer, you are falling behind the train. I am not trying to start a debate, and hope that my words don't come across as combative, just putting this out there so it doesn't come back to be a thorn in anyone's side. Nate Kile, Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual instruction for schools Also Private training to your needs 907-444-3707 Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: www.yourtechvision.com -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:41 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws Hi, This is because the underlying technology is only available on Windows 8 and 10, similar to complete touchscreen support. Screen Shade cannot be backported to Windows 7 (might be, but it is both difficult and as Win7 is in security maintenance mode at this time). Cheers, Joseph -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:36 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws I'm disappointed to see the screen shade is for windows 8 and 10 and that you didn't include windows7. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws
Here is the point Windows7 is still support thus new features should work with it. I also noticed the installer issue has been reported on other lists for windows7 hasn't been fixed it would appear. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Nathaniel Kile Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 1:25 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws Hello, Keep in mind, Windows 7 is only one version away from Vista and Vista is considered a fossil at this point. In training clients, it is unfortunate to have clients who have held on to old technology until the point that their skills start to become antiquated and dated. Technology is like a steam roller, if we don't stay ahead of it, it will run us right over without a second thought. When I hear people talking about old OS operating systems, they might as well be talking about XP. Sorry to sound perhaps rough, but with all of the updates to 10, 7 is pretty much like XP at this point. Microsoft has already warned users that the security architecture for Windows 7 is extremely vulnerable and open to many types of risks, and they dropped a significant amount of support for it back in 2013. It will lose all support in 2020 and if one is using Windows 7 or Internet Explorer, you are falling behind the train. I am not trying to start a debate, and hope that my words don't come across as combative, just putting this out there so it doesn't come back to be a thorn in anyone's side. Nate Kile, Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual instruction for schools Also Private training to your needs 907-444-3707 Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: www.yourtechvision.com -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:41 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws Hi, This is because the underlying technology is only available on Windows 8 and 10, similar to complete touchscreen support. Screen Shade cannot be backported to Windows 7 (might be, but it is both difficult and as Win7 is in security maintenance mode at this time). Cheers, Joseph -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:36 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws I'm disappointed to see the screen shade is for windows 8 and 10 and that you didn't include windows7. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws
Hello, Keep in mind, Windows 7 is only one version away from Vista and Vista is considered a fossil at this point. In training clients, it is unfortunate to have clients who have held on to old technology until the point that their skills start to become antiquated and dated. Technology is like a steam roller, if we don't stay ahead of it, it will run us right over without a second thought. When I hear people talking about old OS operating systems, they might as well be talking about XP. Sorry to sound perhaps rough, but with all of the updates to 10, 7 is pretty much like XP at this point. Microsoft has already warned users that the security architecture for Windows 7 is extremely vulnerable and open to many types of risks, and they dropped a significant amount of support for it back in 2013. It will lose all support in 2020 and if one is using Windows 7 or Internet Explorer, you are falling behind the train. I am not trying to start a debate, and hope that my words don't come across as combative, just putting this out there so it doesn't come back to be a thorn in anyone's side. Nate Kile, Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual instruction for schools Also Private training to your needs 907-444-3707 Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: www.yourtechvision.com -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:41 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws Hi, This is because the underlying technology is only available on Windows 8 and 10, similar to complete touchscreen support. Screen Shade cannot be backported to Windows 7 (might be, but it is both difficult and as Win7 is in security maintenance mode at this time). Cheers, Joseph -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:36 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws I'm disappointed to see the screen shade is for windows 8 and 10 and that you didn't include windows7. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws
Hi, This is because the underlying technology is only available on Windows 8 and 10, similar to complete touchscreen support. Screen Shade cannot be backported to Windows 7 (might be, but it is both difficult and as Win7 is in security maintenance mode at this time). Cheers, Joseph -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:36 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws I'm disappointed to see the screen shade is for windows 8 and 10 and that you didn't include windows7. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] disappointed with new jaws
I'm disappointed to see the screen shade is for windows 8 and 10 and that you didn't include windows7. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
