Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 12.4 my observations so far
Hi David, I have had several sad incidents with IE-11 lately and I am ready to make Chrome my default browser. I cannot find your Chrome podcast. Will you please send it to me again either on or off list. Thanks, George -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Moore Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 3:50 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 12.4 my observations so far Hi Jim, Everything you reported is happening to me exactly. You have made me feel so much better, because I thought I had messed things up in my settings. I thought that it was the up date, but now, you have confirmed that is indeed the case. Guys, what Jim said is totally true for me. You should indeed still land on the artist list, but I have to do the same playing around with the up and down arrow to get on the artist I want. I know this is irritating, because I love to fly down the list of my artists to decide what I want to play. However, like Jim said, we will love iTunes even more when FS does its thing. We must all remember that we blind people are the minority in this world, and the sighted are the ones technology is being made for. The only thing we can do as a minority is to be patient, more patient, and then thankful for what we do have as a minority. The fact that we can use the Windows OS at all is a mircle that the blind were very scared about before Ted Hentor and other positive blind people programmed JAWS to interact with Windows. We should try not to complane, but to make these set backs an exciting moment to make us even more patient and stronger. We should speak up to tech companies about accessibility, but with the attitude of educating them, because we are the minority who does need to speak up. We must speak up in a positive and loving way, though, and quit complaining. Thanks a lot, Jim for working with iTunes to give us this report. I have worked with it for hours. I stayed up all night trying to figure out why it is acting the way it does and to try to find work arounds. That is what we must do. We have to play with software with total patience and try to figure out a way we can use it instead of taking so much energy away from us to complain. We will always have to work harder to have what we want in this world, because we are a very small minority of the entire population. Take care all, and do not give up on iTunes, because it is the best way I have been able to organize my music, pod casts, and on and on. Let us give thanks that we can use it at all. Have a great one, guys. -Originalessage- From: Dave Carlson Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 2:37 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 12.4 my observations so far Agree. I'm sticking to the devil I know, rather than the one I don't. Dave Carlson Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Rose Combs" <roseco...@q.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 12.4 my observations so far Don't hold your breath! Then again, why do we as customers to Apple products always have to wait weeks to months for updates to make something work that should work immediately! I don't end up where you do when iTunes opens either. Rose Combs roseco...@q.com -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jim Flusche Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 8:57 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 12.4 my observations so far Hi again Jaws Users group, let me start off with the positive review of iTunes 12.4. The newly designed iTunes store is awesome, the page's load very fast, no waiting or hesitation, same when you press the backspace key to go back to the previous page, works great. The only thing that needs to be fixed by Freedom Scientific is to make Jaws see the visited links. I was able to buy several albums with no issues, they downloaded a lot faster as well. So I give iTunes an A-minus for the store, would have been an A+, if Jaws announced the visited links. Now when you first open iTunes, for example on my computer, iTunes opens to the Artists list. As I use the down arrow key, Jaws reads what seems to be some kind of a code before the name of the artist, Jaws reads: "Description L1." As I down arrow through the list of artist, sometimes I must press the down arrow two times and then up arrow one time, and then down arrow again to show the next artist, or when I use first letter navigation, I must do the same thing to get Jaws to read the next artist, so they get a C-minus. As you press the F6 key to jump across the interface, they have changed things as well. I personally think when Freedom Scientific makes the necessary changes to Jaws for the new iTunes
Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 12.4 my observations so far
And oneday while you stil busy sorting your music, then apple will take ITunes away, it can happen at some point, they already considering removing download music in favor of streaming music. On 21/05/2016, David Moore <jesusloves1...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Jim, > Everything you reported is happening to me exactly. You have made me feel so > > much better, because I thought I had messed things up in my settings. I > thought that it was the up date, but now, you have confirmed that is indeed > > the case. Guys, what Jim said is totally true for me. You should indeed > still land on the artist list, but I have to do the same playing around with > > the up and down arrow to get on the artist I want. I know this is > irritating, because I love to fly down the list of my artists to decide what > > I want to play. However, like Jim said, we will love iTunes even more when > FS does its thing. We must all remember that we blind people are the > minority in this world, and the sighted are the ones technology is being > made for. The only thing we can do as a minority is to be patient, more > patient, and then thankful for what we do have as a minority. The fact that > > we can use the Windows OS at all is a mircle that the blind were very scared > > about before Ted Hentor and other positive blind people programmed JAWS to > interact with Windows. We should try not to complane, but to make these set > > backs an exciting moment to make us even more patient and stronger. We > should speak up to tech companies about accessibility, but with the attitude > > of educating them, because we are the minority who does need to speak up. We > > must speak up in a positive and loving way, though, and quit complaining. > Thanks a lot, Jim for working with iTunes to give us this report. I have > worked with it for hours. I stayed up all night trying to figure out why it > > is acting the way it does and to try to find work arounds. That is what we > must do. We have to play with software with total patience and try to figure > > out a way we can use it instead of taking so much energy away from us to > complain. We will always have to work harder to have what we want in this > world, because we are a very small minority of the entire population. Take > care all, and do not give up on iTunes, because it is the best way I have > been able to organize my music, pod casts, and on and on. Let us give thanks > > that we can use it at all. Have a great one, guys. > > -----Originalessage----- > From: Dave Carlson > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 2:37 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 12.4 my observations so far > > Agree. I'm sticking to the devil I know, rather than the one I don't. > > Dave Carlson > Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer > > ----- Original Message - > From: "Rose Combs" <roseco...@q.com> > To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 11:21 AM > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 12.4 my observations so far > > > Don't hold your breath! Then again, why do we as customers to Apple > products always have to wait weeks to months for updates to make something > work that should work immediately! I don't end up where you do when iTunes > opens either. > > > Rose Combs > roseco...@q.com > > > -Original Message- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > Behalf Of Jim Flusche > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 8:57 AM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 12.4 my observations so far > > Hi again Jaws Users group, let me start off with the positive review of > iTunes 12.4. > > The newly designed iTunes store is awesome, the page's load very fast, no > waiting or hesitation, same when you press the backspace key to go back to > the previous page, works great. The only thing that needs to be fixed by > Freedom Scientific is to make Jaws see the visited links. I was able to > buy > several albums with no issues, they downloaded a lot faster as well. So I > give iTunes an A-minus for the store, would have been an A+, if Jaws > announced the visited links. > > Now when you first open iTunes, for example on my computer, iTunes opens to > the Artists list. > > As I use the down arrow key, Jaws reads what seems to be some kind of a > code > before the name of the artist, Jaws reads: "Description L1." > > As I down arrow through the list of artist, sometimes I must press the down > arrow two times and then up arrow one time, and then down arrow again to > show the next artist, or when I use first letter navigation, I must do the > same thing to get Jaw
Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 12.4 my observations so far
Hi Jim, Everything you reported is happening to me exactly. You have made me feel so much better, because I thought I had messed things up in my settings. I thought that it was the up date, but now, you have confirmed that is indeed the case. Guys, what Jim said is totally true for me. You should indeed still land on the artist list, but I have to do the same playing around with the up and down arrow to get on the artist I want. I know this is irritating, because I love to fly down the list of my artists to decide what I want to play. However, like Jim said, we will love iTunes even more when FS does its thing. We must all remember that we blind people are the minority in this world, and the sighted are the ones technology is being made for. The only thing we can do as a minority is to be patient, more patient, and then thankful for what we do have as a minority. The fact that we can use the Windows OS at all is a mircle that the blind were very scared about before Ted Hentor and other positive blind people programmed JAWS to interact with Windows. We should try not to complane, but to make these set backs an exciting moment to make us even more patient and stronger. We should speak up to tech companies about accessibility, but with the attitude of educating them, because we are the minority who does need to speak up. We must speak up in a positive and loving way, though, and quit complaining. Thanks a lot, Jim for working with iTunes to give us this report. I have worked with it for hours. I stayed up all night trying to figure out why it is acting the way it does and to try to find work arounds. That is what we must do. We have to play with software with total patience and try to figure out a way we can use it instead of taking so much energy away from us to complain. We will always have to work harder to have what we want in this world, because we are a very small minority of the entire population. Take care all, and do not give up on iTunes, because it is the best way I have been able to organize my music, pod casts, and on and on. Let us give thanks that we can use it at all. Have a great one, guys. -Originalessage- From: Dave Carlson Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 2:37 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 12.4 my observations so far Agree. I'm sticking to the devil I know, rather than the one I don't. Dave Carlson Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Rose Combs" <roseco...@q.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 12.4 my observations so far Don't hold your breath! Then again, why do we as customers to Apple products always have to wait weeks to months for updates to make something work that should work immediately! I don't end up where you do when iTunes opens either. Rose Combs roseco...@q.com -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jim Flusche Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 8:57 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 12.4 my observations so far Hi again Jaws Users group, let me start off with the positive review of iTunes 12.4. The newly designed iTunes store is awesome, the page's load very fast, no waiting or hesitation, same when you press the backspace key to go back to the previous page, works great. The only thing that needs to be fixed by Freedom Scientific is to make Jaws see the visited links. I was able to buy several albums with no issues, they downloaded a lot faster as well. So I give iTunes an A-minus for the store, would have been an A+, if Jaws announced the visited links. Now when you first open iTunes, for example on my computer, iTunes opens to the Artists list. As I use the down arrow key, Jaws reads what seems to be some kind of a code before the name of the artist, Jaws reads: "Description L1." As I down arrow through the list of artist, sometimes I must press the down arrow two times and then up arrow one time, and then down arrow again to show the next artist, or when I use first letter navigation, I must do the same thing to get Jaws to read the next artist, so they get a C-minus. As you press the F6 key to jump across the interface, they have changed things as well. I personally think when Freedom Scientific makes the necessary changes to Jaws for the new iTunes interface, I think we will like it much better than any previous version of iTunes. I am still playing around with iTunes 12.4; I am going to leave it on my computer. I am looking forward to the corrections from Freedom Scientific to the Jaws 17 program that will allow us to take advantage of this new interface. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list
Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 12.4 my observations so far
Agree. I'm sticking to the devil I know, rather than the one I don't. Dave Carlson Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Rose Combs" <roseco...@q.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 12.4 my observations so far Don't hold your breath! Then again, why do we as customers to Apple products always have to wait weeks to months for updates to make something work that should work immediately! I don't end up where you do when iTunes opens either. Rose Combs roseco...@q.com -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jim Flusche Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 8:57 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 12.4 my observations so far Hi again Jaws Users group, let me start off with the positive review of iTunes 12.4. The newly designed iTunes store is awesome, the page's load very fast, no waiting or hesitation, same when you press the backspace key to go back to the previous page, works great. The only thing that needs to be fixed by Freedom Scientific is to make Jaws see the visited links. I was able to buy several albums with no issues, they downloaded a lot faster as well. So I give iTunes an A-minus for the store, would have been an A+, if Jaws announced the visited links. Now when you first open iTunes, for example on my computer, iTunes opens to the Artists list. As I use the down arrow key, Jaws reads what seems to be some kind of a code before the name of the artist, Jaws reads: "Description L1." As I down arrow through the list of artist, sometimes I must press the down arrow two times and then up arrow one time, and then down arrow again to show the next artist, or when I use first letter navigation, I must do the same thing to get Jaws to read the next artist, so they get a C-minus. As you press the F6 key to jump across the interface, they have changed things as well. I personally think when Freedom Scientific makes the necessary changes to Jaws for the new iTunes interface, I think we will like it much better than any previous version of iTunes. I am still playing around with iTunes 12.4; I am going to leave it on my computer. I am looking forward to the corrections from Freedom Scientific to the Jaws 17 program that will allow us to take advantage of this new interface. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 12.4 my observations so far
Don't hold your breath! Then again, why do we as customers to Apple products always have to wait weeks to months for updates to make something work that should work immediately! I don't end up where you do when iTunes opens either. Rose Combs roseco...@q.com -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jim Flusche Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 8:57 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 12.4 my observations so far Hi again Jaws Users group, let me start off with the positive review of iTunes 12.4. The newly designed iTunes store is awesome, the page's load very fast, no waiting or hesitation, same when you press the backspace key to go back to the previous page, works great. The only thing that needs to be fixed by Freedom Scientific is to make Jaws see the visited links. I was able to buy several albums with no issues, they downloaded a lot faster as well. So I give iTunes an A-minus for the store, would have been an A+, if Jaws announced the visited links. Now when you first open iTunes, for example on my computer, iTunes opens to the Artists list. As I use the down arrow key, Jaws reads what seems to be some kind of a code before the name of the artist, Jaws reads: "Description L1." As I down arrow through the list of artist, sometimes I must press the down arrow two times and then up arrow one time, and then down arrow again to show the next artist, or when I use first letter navigation, I must do the same thing to get Jaws to read the next artist, so they get a C-minus. As you press the F6 key to jump across the interface, they have changed things as well. I personally think when Freedom Scientific makes the necessary changes to Jaws for the new iTunes interface, I think we will like it much better than any previous version of iTunes. I am still playing around with iTunes 12.4; I am going to leave it on my computer. I am looking forward to the corrections from Freedom Scientific to the Jaws 17 program that will allow us to take advantage of this new interface. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] iTunes 12.4 my observations so far
Hi again Jaws Users group, let me start off with the positive review of iTunes 12.4. The newly designed iTunes store is awesome, the page's load very fast, no waiting or hesitation, same when you press the backspace key to go back to the previous page, works great. The only thing that needs to be fixed by Freedom Scientific is to make Jaws see the visited links. I was able to buy several albums with no issues, they downloaded a lot faster as well. So I give iTunes an A-minus for the store, would have been an A+, if Jaws announced the visited links. Now when you first open iTunes, for example on my computer, iTunes opens to the Artists list. As I use the down arrow key, Jaws reads what seems to be some kind of a code before the name of the artist, Jaws reads: "Description L1." As I down arrow through the list of artist, sometimes I must press the down arrow two times and then up arrow one time, and then down arrow again to show the next artist, or when I use first letter navigation, I must do the same thing to get Jaws to read the next artist, so they get a C-minus. As you press the F6 key to jump across the interface, they have changed things as well. I personally think when Freedom Scientific makes the necessary changes to Jaws for the new iTunes interface, I think we will like it much better than any previous version of iTunes. I am still playing around with iTunes 12.4; I am going to leave it on my computer. I am looking forward to the corrections from Freedom Scientific to the Jaws 17 program that will allow us to take advantage of this new interface. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
