Re: [JAWS-Users] d2l follow up

[Kimsan]

The course I am taking is a requirement in order to get into the masters
program.

I'm just confused with > we have had numerous students who are blind 
> successfully complete the program. D2L is accessible using JAWS but some
students who are blind have 
> reported that it is not user friendly.
How were they successful if d2l isn't accessible? Lol.
I will see how I can survive the course, so I can go and get my masters
degree to double my salary. Lol.
Take care and best of luck to you.

Kimsan Song
kimsans...@charter.net

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Daniel Angus MacdONALD
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2015 6:09 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] d2l follow up

hello,
I am the fell who responded to your original email RE: D2L. in that email, i
said the following, and it still holds true, even with the beta of jaws 17.
d2l is inaccessible. no content reads, though menus read with options
selected. always show dialogs as pub ups needs to be set to on.
additionally, set the calendar to agenda view, set emails to send to your
email account, not your school's, set d2l to always go to your course page,
not course home, and hope the content creater makes their course content
accessible, as accessibility of this area of d2l, depends on the content
creater(s). most of this information, i learned from my former community
college, which i withdrew from, do to inaccessibility of d2l. I do not,
recommend, under any circumstance, you, partake in your afford mentioned
courses. myself, the first time, with another platform, the learning
manager, took a course through other meens, arranged with my instructor,
ended up in the mental health unit, at the local hospital. I do not,
recommend, anybody, use d2l for anything. it's more trouble than it's worth.
unless your course is a required credit, which I hope it is not, use d2l
only if you cannot make alternate arangments with your professor(s). what i
did for my course, orginational behaviour, was, used a combination of email
and the telephone. me and my instructer, would talk, after each quiz on the
telephone, and assignments and quizzes were emailed to my schools address
through that community college. this was back, before, jaws had document OCR
for PDFS, so inaccessible PDFS were sent to me, eventually with accessible,
searchable PDFS, created. for this course oi withdrew from, introduction to
programming: python, the PDFS are image base, inaccessible. all this
accessible content should have been figured out, long before i enrolled in
that course. of course, asper the community college's style, they left it up
to me, inspire of their fancy job titles, which imply they know something of
accessibility for jaws users, and screen reader users, in general, as I use
a multitude of screen readers, on different platforms. if i told them that,
they would have freek out. stick with the hadley school for thee blind, and
the cisco acamity for the vision impaired. mainstream institutions, do not
give a rats ass about us blind people, they see us as a burden to make money
off of. 
thanks,
Daniel Angus Mac Donald

On 2015-10-03, at 12:18 AM, Kimsan <kimsans...@charter.net> wrote:

> I emailed about this weeks ago, a fella responded, but since I got 
> stupid and messed with my email, I lost his.
> 
> 
> 
> Anyways, I got a response from someone at the college concerning d2l 
> and it's level of success and accessibility. Read on.
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Kimsan,
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you for your email and interest in the VIL program. Thank you 
> for being so proactive and researching accessibilty at PSU. Throughout 
> the program's history, we have had numerous students who are blind 
> successfully complete the program.
> 
> 
> 
> D2L is accessible using JAWS but some students who are blind have 
> reported that it is not user friendly. There are some tips and tricks 
> for navigating the system. In addition, I and other faculty in the 
> program are working diligently on making the courses more accessible 
> for those who use screen readers.
> 
> 
> 
> Below is a link to information about D2L and its accessibility. 
> 
> 
> 
> https://documentation.desire2learn.com/en/Accessibility
> 
> 
> 
> The Disability Resource Center will be a valuable resource for you and 
> I suggest you connect with their office sooner than later to express 
> your concerns. While staff do not provide training in how to access 
> D2L, they can help with some trouble shooting.
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.pdx.edu/drc/
> 
> 
> 
> Kimsan Song
> 
> kimsans...@charter.net
> 
> 
> 
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/


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Re: [JAWS-Users] d2l follow up

[Daniel Angus MacdONALD]

hello,
I am the fell who responded to your original email RE: D2L. in that email, i 
said the following, and it still holds true, even with the beta of jaws 17. d2l 
is inaccessible. no content reads, though menus read with options selected. 
always show dialogs as pub ups needs to be set to on. additionally, set the 
calendar to agenda view, set emails to send to your email account, not your 
school's, set d2l to always go to your course page, not course home, and hope 
the content creater makes their course content accessible, as accessibility of 
this area of d2l, depends on the content creater(s). most of this information, 
i learned from my former community college, which i withdrew from, do to 
inaccessibility of d2l. I do not, recommend, under any circumstance, you, 
partake in your afford mentioned courses. myself, the first time, with another 
platform, the learning manager, took a course through other meens, arranged 
with my instructor, ended up in the mental health unit, at the local hospit
 al. I do not, recommend, anybody, use d2l for anything. it's more trouble than 
it's worth. unless your course is a required credit, which I hope it is not, 
use d2l only if you cannot make alternate arangments with your professor(s). 
what i did for my course, orginational behaviour, was, used a combination of 
email and the telephone. me and my instructer, would talk, after each quiz on 
the telephone, and assignments and quizzes were emailed to my schools address 
through that community college. this was back, before, jaws had document OCR 
for PDFS, so inaccessible PDFS were sent to me, eventually with accessible, 
searchable PDFS, created. for this course oi withdrew from, introduction to 
programming: python, the PDFS are image base, inaccessible. all this accessible 
content should have been figured out, long before i enrolled in that course. of 
course, asper the community college's style, they left it up to me, inspire of 
their fancy job titles, which imply they know something of acce
 ssibility for jaws users, and screen reader users, in general, as I use a 
multitude of screen readers, on different platforms. if i told them that, they 
would have freek out. stick with the hadley school for thee blind, and the 
cisco acamity for the vision impaired. mainstream institutions, do not give a 
rats ass about us blind people, they see us as a burden to make money off of. 
thanks,
Daniel Angus Mac Donald

On 2015-10-03, at 12:18 AM, Kimsan  wrote:

> I emailed about this weeks ago, a fella responded, but since I got stupid
> and messed with my email, I lost his.
> 
> 
> 
> Anyways, I got a response from someone at the college concerning d2l and
> it's level of success and accessibility. Read on.
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Kimsan, 
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you for your email and interest in the VIL program. Thank you for
> being so proactive and researching accessibilty at PSU. Throughout the
> program's history, we have had numerous students who are blind successfully
> complete the program. 
> 
> 
> 
> D2L is accessible using JAWS but some students who are blind have reported
> that it is not user friendly. There are some tips and tricks for navigating
> the system. In addition, I and other faculty in the program are working
> diligently on making the courses more accessible for those who use screen
> readers. 
> 
> 
> 
> Below is a link to information about D2L and its accessibility. 
> 
> 
> 
> https://documentation.desire2learn.com/en/Accessibility
> 
> 
> 
> The Disability Resource Center will be a valuable resource for you and I
> suggest you connect with their office sooner than later to express your
> concerns. While staff do not provide training in how to access D2L, they can
> help with some trouble shooting. 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.pdx.edu/drc/
> 
> 
> 
> Kimsan Song
> 
> kimsans...@charter.net
> 
> 
> 
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/


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Re: [JAWS-Users] d2l

[Deon Lyons]

I am a 2nd year student here, community College, using BlackBoard with JAWS. 
It's  proved to be a learning opportunity, but it's also quite a learning 
challenge. I have been afforded some amazing tutoring through the TRiO 
program at school. Good luck with your studies.


dp

-Original Message- 
From: Kimsan

Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 1:37 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] d2l

Thank you very much for that.

I would hate to take a college course and go through the struggle because of
accessibility issues, especially with my primary screen reader jaws.
I am taking a prewreck to get into a graduate program next summer, so lets
see what happens.
Best of luck to you and feel free to email me off list and keep me posted,
or I can bug you in a month or so :).
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Daniel
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 10:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] d2l

Hello,
I am in a course right now, which uses d2l. it's inaccessible. When you
login to a course, there is a menu which jaws reads, and it doesn't read
anything else. I had some cited assistants from my community college and
they told me that apps are in the platform which load, which are
incompatible with jaws right now. I'm working with people from my community
college, former blind school, and will report bugs with d2l in the current
jaws 17 beta. Tomorrow, I have a phone call with someone from online
learning, to try to find a salution, until this can be fixt. I'll keep you
posted. My advice is to tell your professors that d2l is inaccessible ahead
of time, so they can get an alternate way to access the content.
Thanks,
Daniel


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 10:15 PM
To: jaws-users <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Subject: [JAWS-Users] d2l

Has anyone used d2l from here?

I'm taking an online college course in a few months and apparently that is
what they will be using for discussions, submitting assignments etc.

Thank you.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] d2l

[Londa Peterson]

I have had some experience with this software with students that I have
trained. It seems that whether D2L is accessible or not depends on who
created the particular page you are looking at and how they chose to lay it
out. There are also some things you can do with JAWS to make it work
better-or at least maybe make it work better. I know that for sending
messages through it we had to press the button to hide the toolbar before we
could get into the edit field. It isn't inaccessible as previously stated,
but it could be if it isn't set up correctly by the prfessor. I don't know
any more than this, but I'll forward your message to someone who does and
get you some more information. 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 9:15 PM
To: jaws-users
Subject: [JAWS-Users] d2l

Has anyone used d2l from here?

I'm taking an online college course in a few months and apparently that is
what they will be using for discussions, submitting assignments etc.

Thank you.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] d2l

[Daniel]

Hello,
I am in a course right now, which uses d2l. it's inaccessible. When you
login to a course, there is a menu which jaws reads, and it doesn't read
anything else. I had some cited assistants from my community college and
they told me that apps are in the platform which load, which are
incompatible with jaws right now. I'm working with people from my community
college, former blind school, and will report bugs with d2l in the current
jaws 17 beta. Tomorrow, I have a phone call with someone from online
learning, to try to find a salution, until this can be fixt. I'll keep you
posted. My advice is to tell your professors that d2l is inaccessible ahead
of time, so they can get an alternate way to access the content.
Thanks,
Daniel


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 10:15 PM
To: jaws-users 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] d2l

Has anyone used d2l from here?

I'm taking an online college course in a few months and apparently that is
what they will be using for discussions, submitting assignments etc.

Thank you.

For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/


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Re: [JAWS-Users] d2l

[Kimsan]

Thank you very much for that. 

I would hate to take a college course and go through the struggle because of
accessibility issues, especially with my primary screen reader jaws.
I am taking a prewreck to get into a graduate program next summer, so lets
see what happens.
Best of luck to you and feel free to email me off list and keep me posted,
or I can bug you in a month or so :). 
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Daniel
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 10:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] d2l

Hello,
I am in a course right now, which uses d2l. it's inaccessible. When you
login to a course, there is a menu which jaws reads, and it doesn't read
anything else. I had some cited assistants from my community college and
they told me that apps are in the platform which load, which are
incompatible with jaws right now. I'm working with people from my community
college, former blind school, and will report bugs with d2l in the current
jaws 17 beta. Tomorrow, I have a phone call with someone from online
learning, to try to find a salution, until this can be fixt. I'll keep you
posted. My advice is to tell your professors that d2l is inaccessible ahead
of time, so they can get an alternate way to access the content.
Thanks,
Daniel


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 10:15 PM
To: jaws-users <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Subject: [JAWS-Users] d2l

Has anyone used d2l from here?

I'm taking an online college course in a few months and apparently that is
what they will be using for discussions, submitting assignments etc.

Thank you.

For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/


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Re: [JAWS-Users] d2l

[Daniel MacDonald]

will do. I saved your email to my desktop. I'll let you know how it
went as soon as I am off the phone.
Daniel


On 9/17/15, Kimsan <kimsans...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you very much for that.
>
> I would hate to take a college course and go through the struggle because
> of
> accessibility issues, especially with my primary screen reader jaws.
> I am taking a prewreck to get into a graduate program next summer, so lets
> see what happens.
> Best of luck to you and feel free to email me off list and keep me posted,
> or I can bug you in a month or so :).
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
> Behalf Of Daniel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 10:31 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] d2l
>
> Hello,
> I am in a course right now, which uses d2l. it's inaccessible. When you
> login to a course, there is a menu which jaws reads, and it doesn't read
> anything else. I had some cited assistants from my community college and
> they told me that apps are in the platform which load, which are
> incompatible with jaws right now. I'm working with people from my community
> college, former blind school, and will report bugs with d2l in the current
> jaws 17 beta. Tomorrow, I have a phone call with someone from online
> learning, to try to find a salution, until this can be fixt. I'll keep you
> posted. My advice is to tell your professors that d2l is inaccessible ahead
> of time, so they can get an alternate way to access the content.
> Thanks,
> Daniel
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
> Behalf Of Kimsan
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 10:15 PM
> To: jaws-users <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] d2l
>
> Has anyone used d2l from here?
>
> I'm taking an online college course in a few months and apparently that is
> what they will be using for discussions, submitting assignments etc.
>
> Thank you.
>
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>
>
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>
>
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> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>

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Re: [JAWS-Users] d2l

[Kimsan]

Awesome!
Maybe I can let you know what I find out when I bring it to their attention
as well.
I'm attending Portland state university...
Well, I already have my bachelors degree, I'm just taking a course there...

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Daniel MacDonald
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 10:46 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] d2l

will do. I saved your email to my desktop. I'll let you know how it went as
soon as I am off the phone.
Daniel


On 9/17/15, Kimsan <kimsans...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you very much for that.
>
> I would hate to take a college course and go through the struggle 
> because of accessibility issues, especially with my primary screen 
> reader jaws.
> I am taking a prewreck to get into a graduate program next summer, so 
> lets see what happens.
> Best of luck to you and feel free to email me off list and keep me 
> posted, or I can bug you in a month or so :).
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] 
> On Behalf Of Daniel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 10:31 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] d2l
>
> Hello,
> I am in a course right now, which uses d2l. it's inaccessible. When 
> you login to a course, there is a menu which jaws reads, and it 
> doesn't read anything else. I had some cited assistants from my 
> community college and they told me that apps are in the platform which 
> load, which are incompatible with jaws right now. I'm working with 
> people from my community college, former blind school, and will report 
> bugs with d2l in the current jaws 17 beta. Tomorrow, I have a phone 
> call with someone from online learning, to try to find a salution, 
> until this can be fixt. I'll keep you posted. My advice is to tell 
> your professors that d2l is inaccessible ahead of time, so they can get an
alternate way to access the content.
> Thanks,
> Daniel
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] 
> On Behalf Of Kimsan
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 10:15 PM
> To: jaws-users <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] d2l
>
> Has anyone used d2l from here?
>
> I'm taking an online college course in a few months and apparently 
> that is what they will be using for discussions, submitting assignments
etc.
>
> Thank you.
>
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>
>
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>
>
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>

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