Re: RE: AW: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department...

2002-04-09 Thread James Birchfield

I made significant porgress tonight with the JMX Connector.  I now have full 
functionality for method invocation and attribute manipulation.  I support the 
following data types: String, int, double, float, long, char, boolean, and Date(and 
their Object counterparts).  I do simple date validation to accept the date.

I still need to perform better exception handling, and simple validation on the 
fields.  Right now, I simply return you gracefully back to where you came.  Once I 
take care of those things, I will make a release out to SourceForge.

Jim

http://jmxview.sf.net
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Re: AW: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department...

2002-04-08 Thread James Birchfield

I actually started JMXView(which I have been informed I might have to rename), after 
reading Howard's comments on Tapestry.  At the time, I was beginning to evaluate 
Tapestry, and was immediately enamoured with it.  After doing some initial ports of 
one of our internal apps, i thought it would be a good way for me to continue to 
explore the power of Tapestry.  So I set out to do some basic things revolving around 
the already talked about JMX connector idea.  I made some real quick progress, posted 
some thoughts here and there, and it actually looks like it is catching some interest. 
 As I have said before, I plan on pushing the code to SourceForge sometime this week, 
then if anyone wants to work on, just let me know, I would be more than happy to open 
it up.  I hadn't even thought of most of the things you guys had brought up, I was 
initially simply trying to replicate SUN's RI for the first pass.  So I would love 
additional input.

I am by no means an expert on either JMX or Tapestry, I just know enough to get in 
trouble with both(and have many times already).  But I will keep pluggin away with 
this, and see where it goes.

Jim

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Re: AW: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department...

2002-04-08 Thread Juha-P Lindfors

On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, David Jencks wrote:

> Look into the modelmbean descriptors.  I think they include a "priority" as
> a standard descriptor, this could be used to determine whether to display
> something.

"visibility" to determine the granularity of mbeans (spec defines levels
1-4)

"presentationString" is what the adaptor should look for to
get presentation information an XML string describing the mbean view
layout. Look for W3C XForms (work in progress web forms)  or
just roll your own (quicker). The key is for the components to be able to
specify how to present and modify non-primitive types that are part of the
management interface, e.g if java.net.URL is in the interface how it
should be presented in the management tool (string, validate its a real
URL, etc).

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Re: AW: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department...

2002-04-08 Thread Howard Lewis Ship

My two cents worth ...

I'm very excited at the prospect of a Tapestry application being directly integrated 
into JBoss (I'm the author of Tapestry).  I'm not sure if Jim came up with this idea 
seperately from me, but I had the idea of a JMX adaptor for JBoss a while back.

I favor the idea of using the JBoss branding as part of the user interface.  I also 
favor the idea of having a big plug for Tapestry on every page :->  ... however, Jim's 
doing the work, so its his call.


I'm hoping that this JMXView will signficantly extend the capabilities of the default 
HTML connector (that's the new term, right?).  I've expressed, on the Tapestry 
developer list, some of the ideas I've had.

Basically, the view should have a layer between the UI and the raw JMX that controls 
what properties and methods are displayed, and how.

I would like to see a more tab-oriented view.

I would like to be able to merge things like property "State" and "StateString" as 
just "State".

I would like a way to say "this field has only these possible options, present them as 
a drop-down list".

I would like the ability to hide properties and methods, and have the "configuration" 
persist between sessions in some way.

I would like to be able to group MBeans into a "favorites" list.  Potentially, even 
grouping properties of disparate beans into a single form, to make several changes all 
at once.

In other words, I want an evironment where the user has significantly more control, 
where its more user-centric and less MBean-centric.



In the long run, I'm also open to the idea of merging Tapestry into the JBoss umbrella.
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Re: AW: AW: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department...

2002-04-07 Thread Jason Dillon

> In the project I am currently involved the project manager
> is really looking for a tool which provides monitoring
> functions like the JSR-77 specs provide. He always looks
> for something like the BEA console.
> 
> Is that something you had in mind or just more a
> replacement for the SUN HTML-Adaptor?

Short-term, yes a direct replacement for the SUN adapter, with a few changes 
to provide JBoss branding and possibly (if easy to implement) collapsable 
hierarchy of JMX domains, so the first look shows only the top level domains 
and does not overwhelm the admin with ever MBean in the system.

Longger-term, I want a simple pluggable view system which uses consistent 
l&f.  The current SUN-like adapter would then become a view (perhaps the 
default, using tab-like nav or something similar & simple).  Then a JNDI view, 
with collapsable tree-like view (would be a replacement for curremt JNDIView 
MBean)

Then other views can be created which provide a rich set of admin 
functionality on top of the basic MBean system.  For example, consider a 
wizard-like view which walked an admin through the steps of creating a new JMS 
Queue or ConnectionFactory.  The view would gather information, then 
eventually invoke some target MBean to get the work done.

I think that JMX is a good base for raw administration, but we need to provide 
some sugar on top to make it easier and straight forward for anyone to use.

That said, I don't have time or the expertese to build such a web app now, and 
perhaps never will.  So I am trying to motivate others with such skills and 
motivation to work together to make this happen.

Once my plate empties a little more, I will be starting to work on the 
telnet/ssh access + sctiptable interface, as I am very motivated to do that.  
If you have time and energy to help with the web console, along with anyone 
else (I am sure there are at least a few), that would be great!

The concept is simple, and the code is not hard... just need to find the right 
people who can spare some time.

--jason

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AW: AW: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department...

2002-04-07 Thread Marcus Redeker

Jason,

as you can see there are a lot of people trying to
help building a console/management tool for JBosss.

In the project I am currently involved the project manager
is really looking for a tool which provides monitoring
functions like the JSR-77 specs provide. He always looks
for something like the BEA console.

Is that something you had in mind or just more a
replacement for the SUN HTML-Adaptor?

Thanks,
--Marcus



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Please let me know when you have finished your cleaning and have published
the
sources.  I am going to be busy for the next week (perhaps, unless I under
estimate my efficency =), but I have been planing to start a JBoss/Console
module, which contains web, command line & telnet/ssh console access to
JBoss.

I would be interesed to see how your work might fit in there.

--jason


Quoting Jim Birchfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I would love to do that!(integrate with JBoss.org)  I am hoping to get a
> core code base out to SourceForge sometime this week.  I need to clean up
> some stuff, and then I can push it out.  The framework is built using
Jetty
> deployed as an MBean, and Tapestry as the web framework driving the
> presentation.
>
> James Birchfield
> Director, Application Development
> Genscape, Inc.
> (502) 583-2298 (o)
> (502) 639-3136 (c)
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> Very nice, just looked at the shoot, will look into more later.
>
> Are you expecting to maintain this yourself?  Just currious if you had
> though
> of making this a part og JBoss, thus opening up the maintenece to a wider
> audience?
>
> Either way, looks great.  I have been meaning to do something like this
for
> a
> while, and or convince some people I work with to do it for me.
>
> Have to look in more detail, but if nothing stands out as problem we could
> make this the default jmx html adapter and be done with the sun fluff.
>
> --jason
>
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RE: AW: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department...

2002-04-07 Thread Jason Dillon

Please let me know when you have finished your cleaning and have published the 
sources.  I am going to be busy for the next week (perhaps, unless I under 
estimate my efficency =), but I have been planing to start a JBoss/Console 
module, which contains web, command line & telnet/ssh console access to JBoss.

I would be interesed to see how your work might fit in there.

--jason


Quoting Jim Birchfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I would love to do that!(integrate with JBoss.org)  I am hoping to get a
> core code base out to SourceForge sometime this week.  I need to clean up
> some stuff, and then I can push it out.  The framework is built using Jetty
> deployed as an MBean, and Tapestry as the web framework driving the
> presentation.  
> 
> James Birchfield
> Director, Application Development
> Genscape, Inc.
> (502) 583-2298 (o)
> (502) 639-3136 (c)
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jason Dillon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 4:48 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; James Birchfield
> Subject: Re: AW: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department...
> 
> Very nice, just looked at the shoot, will look into more later.  
> 
> Are you expecting to maintain this yourself?  Just currious if you had
> though 
> of making this a part og JBoss, thus opening up the maintenece to a wider 
> audience?
> 
> Either way, looks great.  I have been meaning to do something like this for
> a 
> while, and or convince some people I work with to do it for me.
> 
> Have to look in more detail, but if nothing stands out as problem we could 
> make this the default jmx html adapter and be done with the sun fluff.
> 
> --jason
> 
> 
> Quoting James Birchfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
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RE: AW: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department...

2002-04-07 Thread Jim Birchfield

I would love to do that!(integrate with JBoss.org)  I am hoping to get a
core code base out to SourceForge sometime this week.  I need to clean up
some stuff, and then I can push it out.  The framework is built using Jetty
deployed as an MBean, and Tapestry as the web framework driving the
presentation.  

James Birchfield
Director, Application Development
Genscape, Inc.
(502) 583-2298 (o)
(502) 639-3136 (c)
 

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Very nice, just looked at the shoot, will look into more later.  

Are you expecting to maintain this yourself?  Just currious if you had
though 
of making this a part og JBoss, thus opening up the maintenece to a wider 
audience?

Either way, looks great.  I have been meaning to do something like this for
a 
while, and or convince some people I work with to do it for me.

Have to look in more detail, but if nothing stands out as problem we could 
make this the default jmx html adapter and be done with the sun fluff.

--jason


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Re: AW: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department...

2002-04-07 Thread Jason Dillon

Very nice, just looked at the shoot, will look into more later.  

Are you expecting to maintain this yourself?  Just currious if you had though 
of making this a part og JBoss, thus opening up the maintenece to a wider 
audience?

Either way, looks great.  I have been meaning to do something like this for a 
while, and or convince some people I work with to do it for me.

Have to look in more detail, but if nothing stands out as problem we could 
make this the default jmx html adapter and be done with the sun fluff.

--jason


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Re: AW: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department...

2002-04-07 Thread Thomas Peuss

Hello James!

On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 06:49:11PM +0200, Marcus Redeker wrote:
> James,
> 
> your screenshots look almos like the SUN stuff ;-) Is there already a
> CVS module or some files to download and take 'live' look at it?

I want to help with this project, too.

CU
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AW: AW: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department...

2002-04-07 Thread Marcus Redeker

James,

your screenshots look almos like the SUN stuff ;-) Is there already a
CVS module or some files to download and take 'live' look at it?

Thanks,

--Marcus

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Re: AW: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department...

2002-04-07 Thread James Birchfield

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Re: AW: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department...

2002-04-06 Thread James Birchfield

I am well on my way with this.  I have almost full functionality of the SUN HTML RI, 
and plan to be finished with that soon.  I have registered for a project space on 
SourceForge, and will hopefully be pushing things out over the next week.  It includes 
security, enhanced views, and easier navigation.  Plus other things I hope to get 
added in as well.

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AW: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department...

2002-03-31 Thread Marcus Redeker

Hi and happy Easter,

so following the ongoing discussions it looks to me
that we are looking for something that replaces the
Sun JMX Adaptor. It should be a webapp with a nice
outfit and similar functionality the current JMX
adaptor provides.

Since I am more a technical person myself but I would
like to help how about some design oriented person can
do some prototype HTML pages which we can convert to
JSP's and give them some life?

--Marcus



Hello Marcus!

On Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 09:36:26PM +0100, Marcus Redeker wrote:
> I was playing around a little the other day and created a JTree with
> MutableTreeNodes that looks similar to the list of all deployed MBeans
> which the HTML adaptor shows. I will probably extend that to be able
> to select one MBean and display attributes and operations.

Hmmm. I did the same thing yesterday... ;-)

> When I was looking at the stuff I was thinking that we actually have
> two systems of MBeans which need management. One is the view which
> the current SUN RI HTML Adaptor gives and the other would be a view
> oriented on the JSR77 domain hierarchy.

I think we should get the MBean-view done first.

> So when we create something new either Swing or Webapp oriented we
> should think of combining these two views into one console application.

IMHO there should be two applications, because the JSR77-console could
be used by your webmaster to deploy EJBs, WARs, etc. But he (or she) should
not
be able to control the deep JBoss functions.

> Is that something you guys agree with or am I totally on the wrong
> track here? One more think I am interested in (and also project managers
> in the project I am working for) is the statistics stuff from JSR77. It
> would be great to see these information in an upcoming management client.
> Is anybody working on implementing the StatisticsProvider interface for
> the JSR77 MBeans?

I think there was no need to expose such information because there is
no application that reads it. So we are here to change that... ;-)

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AW: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department...

2002-03-30 Thread Marcus Redeker

Hunter, Thomas, Ken, all other Geeks

I was playing around a little the other day and created a JTree with
MutableTreeNodes that looks similar to the list of all deployed MBeans
which the HTML adaptor shows. I will probably extend that to be able
to select one MBean and display attributes and operations.

When I was looking at the stuff I was thinking that we actually have
two systems of MBeans which need management. One is the view which
the current SUN RI HTML Adaptor gives and the other would be a view
oriented on the JSR77 domain hierarchy.

So when we create something new either Swing or Webapp oriented we
should think of combining these two views into one console application.

Is that something you guys agree with or am I totally on the wrong
track here? One more think I am interested in (and also project managers
in the project I am working for) is the statistics stuff from JSR77. It
would be great to see these information in an upcoming management client.
Is anybody working on implementing the StatisticsProvider interface for
the JSR77 MBeans?

--Marcus





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Hunter, Thomas,

Yea I agree that there should be an independent version as well.  I was
thinking that the first round would require web/servlet support as well as
JAAS or JBOSSSX support.  I really think this will be the norm.  And with
all the support it should be fairly simple.

Thomas mentioned the MX4J project I was unaware and will see what thats all
about.

As well, the JOnAS project has it's own html adaptor I believe which may
provide code or template of things needed.

In talking with marc about this subject in January he was wanting more than
I believe the first round would produce.  He ask for a couple of things.
1.  He wanted CustomTags so people could easily create their own views.
2.  Which doesn't seem to fit with the first, He wanted a fat client (
Applet, Flash, ... ) where all the servers available are shown and an admin
could drag and drop a cluster together to define the cluster.

So even though I agree that standard should at some time be supported.  The
first version I would like to target with a few dependencies.

Ken

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> I also like the idea of a small integrated version and an extended
> full feature tool. Do you guys think that the JSR77 stuff is already
> implemented enough to include statistics and monitoring in this
> new JMX management tool?
>
> I just put a patch out to register the SUN Adaptor with basic
authentication
> enabled because we needed that for a production environment. Maybe that
> is something to implement in the planned 2.4.5 version?
>
> If any help is needed I would certainly help on a new JMX management
client.
>
> --Marcus
>
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> Hunter Hillegas
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. Marz 2002 18:41
> An: Ken Sipe; JBoss Dev
> Betreff: Re: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department...
>
>
> Ken-
>
> It sounds like we're on the same page. I think this would be a great...
>
> Do you think we'd want to have a standard and extended mode, letting the
> standard be more slimmed down for netboot and embedded uses and the
extended
> being the full blown deal?
>
> Anyway, yeah, I'd like to help.
>
> Hunter
>
> > From: "Ken Sipe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Organization: Code Mentor
> > Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:31:30 -0600
> > To: "Hunter Hillegas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JBoss Dev"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department...
> >
> > Hunter,
> >
> > The JMX HTML adapter is provided by sun in the reference JMX
> implementation.
> > I had talked with marc in Boston in January regarding this components
> > replacement or wrapping.  I planned to take this on, however currently
I'm
> > preparing for a presentation at an upcoming conference.  I should be
able
> to
> > focus on it next month.
> >
> > IMO, we need to replace it.  It would remove JBoss' dependency on the
> > reference implementation completely.  Also, I want to provide a way to
> > security the access.
> >
> > Help would be great.  I'm more of a functionality guy.  If you got guys
> who
> > could pretty

AW: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department...

2002-03-26 Thread Marcus Redeker

I also like the idea of a small integrated version and an extended
full feature tool. Do you guys think that the JSR77 stuff is already
implemented enough to include statistics and monitoring in this
new JMX management tool?

I just put a patch out to register the SUN Adaptor with basic authentication
enabled because we needed that for a production environment. Maybe that
is something to implement in the planned 2.4.5 version?

If any help is needed I would certainly help on a new JMX management client.

--Marcus

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Hunter Hillegas
Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. Marz 2002 18:41
An: Ken Sipe; JBoss Dev
Betreff: Re: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department...


Ken-

It sounds like we're on the same page. I think this would be a great...

Do you think we'd want to have a standard and extended mode, letting the
standard be more slimmed down for netboot and embedded uses and the extended
being the full blown deal?

Anyway, yeah, I'd like to help.

Hunter

> From: "Ken Sipe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Organization: Code Mentor
> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:31:30 -0600
> To: "Hunter Hillegas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JBoss Dev"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department...
>
> Hunter,
>
> The JMX HTML adapter is provided by sun in the reference JMX
implementation.
> I had talked with marc in Boston in January regarding this components
> replacement or wrapping.  I planned to take this on, however currently I'm
> preparing for a presentation at an upcoming conference.  I should be able
to
> focus on it next month.
>
> IMO, we need to replace it.  It would remove JBoss' dependency on the
> reference implementation completely.  Also, I want to provide a way to
> security the access.
>
> Help would be great.  I'm more of a functionality guy.  If you got guys
who
> could pretty it up or add to functionality that would be great ( or beat
you
> to the implementation )
>
> What I had in mind was more grandiose than what your message implies your
> interest is.  I wanted an interface similar to JRun.  Maybe not as fancy,
> but close. And something that works ( they have a lot of room for
> improvement, maybe they will steal our code;)  Additionally I would like
an
> XML component that the web component leverages.  But lets keep it simple
for
> the first go-round.
>
> anyway the component your looking for is:
> com.sun.jdmk.comm.HtmlAdaptorServer
>
> Ken
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Hunter Hillegas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "JBoss Dev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 11:07 AM
> Subject: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department...
>
>
>> What would it take to pretty up the output from the JMX HTML adapter?
>>
>> Since a lot of folks will probably be using that to manage the server, we
>> might want to think about beautifying it a bit... Nothing fancy or
>> cumbersome, but a little sprucing up here and there...
>>
>> I'm happy to see what I can contribute here, we have a team of top notch
> Web
>> guys that I could steal some time from...
>>
>> Does anyone know off-hand where this is generated? I'll go poking
> around...
>>
>> Hunter
>>
>>
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