Re: [jenkins-infra] Migrate chat channels from freenode to libera.chat

[Oleg Nenashev]

IRC migration announcement is ready for review: 
https://github.com/jenkins-infra/jenkins.io/pull/4425 
Thanks to Mark for starting the blog and to Daniel for the feedback.

On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 8:38:49 AM UTC+2 Oleg Nenashev wrote:

> Blogpost or maybe just a Discourse announcement. We can try the latter to 
> optimize time spent on writing.
>
> For socual media purposes, discourse is perfectly fine with me
>
> On Sun, Jun 13, 2021, 22:53 Baptiste Mathus  wrote:
>
>> Agreed, time to move on. 
>>
>> BTW I see https://www.jenkins.io/chat/ is already updated, what do you 
>> have in mind in terms of comm? Like a blog and some twitter relaying I 
>> suppose?
>>
>> Le ven. 11 juin 2021 à 10:22, Oleg Nenashev  a 
>> écrit :
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> As many other colleagues, I was banned from Freenode this night without 
>>> any prior notice. I think it's time to officially proclaim Freenode IRC 
>>> dead for the Jenkins community, and to make an announcement about our 
>>> migration to Libera Chat. Any objections? I can make this announcement if 
>>> others are busy.
>>>
>>> Thanks to Gavin, Tim, Olivier and all contributors for driving the 
>>> migration of our IRC channels and automation.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Oleg
>>>
>>> [image: freenode_ban.png]
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 11:29:16 PM UTC+2 Mark Waite wrote:
>>>
 +1 from me

 On Fri, May 28, 2021, 3:24 PM Oleg Nenashev  
 wrote:

> +1 for going ahead and making the changes official
> Maybe we need a short announcement blog, WDYT?
>
> On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 10:00:45 AM UTC+2 timja...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks all
>>
>> Last call for any feedback before we merge the Jenkins.io PR
>>
>> The channels have all been set up.
>>
>> If you had 'voice' on freenode and want it on Libera then please 
>> verify yourself with someone who has voice/op on libera out of band 
>> (email 
>> / gitter / github, etc).
>> A number of people have left freenode and deleted their accounts 
>> already.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 26 May 2021 at 20:14, Tim Jacomb  wrote:
>>
>>> The ircbot has been moved over
>>>
>>> On Wed, 26 May 2021 at 19:12, 'Gavin Mogan' via Jenkins Developers <
>>> jenkin...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 Project registration has been completed since Saturday I think. 

 I've removed the channel locks so anyone can create can register 
 channels, project owners can claim the channel if it ever becomes an 
 issue.

 Cloaks can be requested by any group member.

 Jenkins group members:
 Primary (can claim. Can manage group member lists)
 halkeye (me)
 Olblak

 Secondary (primary plus requesting cloaks for users)
 Nobody yet


 Cloaks:
 We have jenkins/* reserved
 I'm thinking jenkins/contributor/$nick for most people, then maybe 
 board specific if we care.

 On Wed., May 26, 2021, 8:01 a.m. Oleg Nenashev, <
 o.v.ne...@gmail.com> wrote:

> FYI see the project registration instructions here:
>> https://libera.chat/chanreg#project-registration
>>
> AFAICT from the Governance Board discussion, Gavin and Olivier 
> have already submitted a registration request.
> It just takes time to process
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 4:57 PM Basil Crow  
> wrote:
>
>> +1. I opened a PR to cover updating the references on jenkins.io:
>> https://github.com/jenkins-infra/jenkins.io/pull/4384
>>
>> FYI see the project registration instructions here:
>> https://libera.chat/chanreg#project-registration
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Re: [jenkins-infra] Migrate chat channels from freenode to libera.chat

[Oleg Nenashev]

+1 for going ahead and making the changes official
Maybe we need a short announcement blog, WDYT?

On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 10:00:45 AM UTC+2 timja...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks all
>
> Last call for any feedback before we merge the Jenkins.io PR
>
> The channels have all been set up.
>
> If you had 'voice' on freenode and want it on Libera then please verify 
> yourself with someone who has voice/op on libera out of band (email / 
> gitter / github, etc).
> A number of people have left freenode and deleted their accounts already.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 26 May 2021 at 20:14, Tim Jacomb  wrote:
>
>> The ircbot has been moved over
>>
>> On Wed, 26 May 2021 at 19:12, 'Gavin Mogan' via Jenkins Developers <
>> jenkin...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Project registration has been completed since Saturday I think. 
>>>
>>> I've removed the channel locks so anyone can create can register 
>>> channels, project owners can claim the channel if it ever becomes an issue.
>>>
>>> Cloaks can be requested by any group member.
>>>
>>> Jenkins group members:
>>> Primary (can claim. Can manage group member lists)
>>> halkeye (me)
>>> Olblak
>>>
>>> Secondary (primary plus requesting cloaks for users)
>>> Nobody yet
>>>
>>>
>>> Cloaks:
>>> We have jenkins/* reserved
>>> I'm thinking jenkins/contributor/$nick for most people, then maybe board 
>>> specific if we care.
>>>
>>> On Wed., May 26, 2021, 8:01 a.m. Oleg Nenashev,  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 FYI see the project registration instructions here:
> https://libera.chat/chanreg#project-registration
>
 AFAICT from the Governance Board discussion, Gavin and Olivier have 
 already submitted a registration request.
 It just takes time to process



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> +1. I opened a PR to cover updating the references on jenkins.io:
> https://github.com/jenkins-infra/jenkins.io/pull/4384
>
> FYI see the project registration instructions here:
> https://libera.chat/chanreg#project-registration
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Re: [jenkins-infra] Migrate chat channels from freenode to libera.chat

[Tim Jacomb]

Thanks all

Last call for any feedback before we merge the Jenkins.io PR

The channels have all been set up.

If you had 'voice' on freenode and want it on Libera then please verify
yourself with someone who has voice/op on libera out of band (email /
gitter / github, etc).
A number of people have left freenode and deleted their accounts already.




On Wed, 26 May 2021 at 20:14, Tim Jacomb  wrote:

> The ircbot has been moved over
>
> On Wed, 26 May 2021 at 19:12, 'Gavin Mogan' via Jenkins Developers <
> jenkinsci-dev@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Project registration has been completed since Saturday I think.
>>
>> I've removed the channel locks so anyone can create can register
>> channels, project owners can claim the channel if it ever becomes an issue.
>>
>> Cloaks can be requested by any group member.
>>
>> Jenkins group members:
>> Primary (can claim. Can manage group member lists)
>> halkeye (me)
>> Olblak
>>
>> Secondary (primary plus requesting cloaks for users)
>> Nobody yet
>>
>>
>> Cloaks:
>> We have jenkins/* reserved
>> I'm thinking jenkins/contributor/$nick for most people, then maybe board
>> specific if we care.
>>
>> On Wed., May 26, 2021, 8:01 a.m. Oleg Nenashev, 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> FYI see the project registration instructions here:
 https://libera.chat/chanreg#project-registration

>>> AFAICT from the Governance Board discussion, Gavin and Olivier have
>>> already submitted a registration request.
>>> It just takes time to process
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 4:57 PM Basil Crow  wrote:
>>>
 +1. I opened a PR to cover updating the references on jenkins.io:
 https://github.com/jenkins-infra/jenkins.io/pull/4384

 FYI see the project registration instructions here:
 https://libera.chat/chanreg#project-registration

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Re: [jenkins-infra] Migrate chat channels from freenode to libera.chat

[Tim Jacomb]

The ircbot has been moved over

On Wed, 26 May 2021 at 19:12, 'Gavin Mogan' via Jenkins Developers <
jenkinsci-dev@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Project registration has been completed since Saturday I think.
>
> I've removed the channel locks so anyone can create can register channels,
> project owners can claim the channel if it ever becomes an issue.
>
> Cloaks can be requested by any group member.
>
> Jenkins group members:
> Primary (can claim. Can manage group member lists)
> halkeye (me)
> Olblak
>
> Secondary (primary plus requesting cloaks for users)
> Nobody yet
>
>
> Cloaks:
> We have jenkins/* reserved
> I'm thinking jenkins/contributor/$nick for most people, then maybe board
> specific if we care.
>
> On Wed., May 26, 2021, 8:01 a.m. Oleg Nenashev, 
> wrote:
>
>> FYI see the project registration instructions here:
>>> https://libera.chat/chanreg#project-registration
>>>
>> AFAICT from the Governance Board discussion, Gavin and Olivier have
>> already submitted a registration request.
>> It just takes time to process
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 4:57 PM Basil Crow  wrote:
>>
>>> +1. I opened a PR to cover updating the references on jenkins.io:
>>> https://github.com/jenkins-infra/jenkins.io/pull/4384
>>>
>>> FYI see the project registration instructions here:
>>> https://libera.chat/chanreg#project-registration
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Re: [jenkins-infra] Migrate chat channels from freenode to libera.chat

['Gavin Mogan' via Jenkins Developers]

Project registration has been completed since Saturday I think.

I've removed the channel locks so anyone can create can register channels,
project owners can claim the channel if it ever becomes an issue.

Cloaks can be requested by any group member.

Jenkins group members:
Primary (can claim. Can manage group member lists)
halkeye (me)
Olblak

Secondary (primary plus requesting cloaks for users)
Nobody yet


Cloaks:
We have jenkins/* reserved
I'm thinking jenkins/contributor/$nick for most people, then maybe board
specific if we care.

On Wed., May 26, 2021, 8:01 a.m. Oleg Nenashev, 
wrote:

> FYI see the project registration instructions here:
>> https://libera.chat/chanreg#project-registration
>>
> AFAICT from the Governance Board discussion, Gavin and Olivier have
> already submitted a registration request.
> It just takes time to process
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 4:57 PM Basil Crow  wrote:
>
>> +1. I opened a PR to cover updating the references on jenkins.io:
>> https://github.com/jenkins-infra/jenkins.io/pull/4384
>>
>> FYI see the project registration instructions here:
>> https://libera.chat/chanreg#project-registration
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Re: [jenkins-infra] Migrate chat channels from freenode to libera.chat

[Oleg Nenashev]

>
> FYI see the project registration instructions here:
> https://libera.chat/chanreg#project-registration
>
AFAICT from the Governance Board discussion, Gavin and Olivier have already
submitted a registration request.
It just takes time to process



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> +1. I opened a PR to cover updating the references on jenkins.io:
> https://github.com/jenkins-infra/jenkins.io/pull/4384
>
> FYI see the project registration instructions here:
> https://libera.chat/chanreg#project-registration
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Re: [jenkins-infra] Migrate chat channels from freenode to libera.chat

[Basil Crow]

+1. I opened a PR to cover updating the references on jenkins.io:
https://github.com/jenkins-infra/jenkins.io/pull/4384

FYI see the project registration instructions here:
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Re: [jenkins-infra] Migrate chat channels from freenode to libera.chat

[Damien Duportal]

Thanks y'all for stepping so fast on this topic!

Seems a good idea to quickly move on Libera, and delay the "default 
community channel" to later, with a proper community discussion.

If anything is required on the infra's side, I can take over while Olivier 
is not available, and handover back afterwards.

Damien

Le mercredi 26 mai 2021 à 15:58:32 UTC+2, Oleg Nenashev a écrit :

> Thanks to Alex Earl for the IRCBot migration! 
> https://github.com/jenkins-infra/ircbot/pull/100
>
> I think we should not wait until the next Governance meeting if there is a 
> strong consensus in the mailing list. This is a time sensitive topic, and 
> we need to migrate away as soon as possible IMHO
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 1:28:26 PM UTC+2 Oleg Nenashev wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I definitely support such a move. For the record we've had a discussion 
>> about the migration among the Jenkins governance board and infra/security 
>> members. I believe we have a consensus that we want to move, effective as 
>> soon as possible. I also support moving all the listed channels. We have 
>> other channels, but all of them are rather dead or redundant.
>>
>> Notes about channels:
>>
>>- I would like to keep #jenkins equivalent, but not as a declared 
>>default channel. We could create #jenkins-users and #jenkins-dev 
>>similar to the mailing lists. Discourse would be indeed preferable for 
>> many 
>>subjects, and the IRC channels might become redundant (see the parallel 
>>thread)
>>- Private CERT chat is not a problem, we can just discontinue it in 
>>favor of mailing lists
>>- #jenkins-release and #jenkins-infra can be moved to Libera chat or 
>>any other chat like Gitter or CDF Slack. I have a preference to keep them 
>>on the same platform with conversation history by default
>>- #jenkins-hosting can be moved anywhere or just replaced by some 
>>form of GitHub/Jira integration bot
>>- #jenkins-meeting and #jenkins-hackhouse can be deleted. For 
>>meetings, if needed, we can create #jenkins-governance later
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Oleg Nenashev
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 12:56 PM Tim Jacomb  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I would like to propose moving the following channels that currently 
>>> live on freenode to libera.chat:
>>>
>>>- #jenkins
>>>- #jenkins-hosting
>>>- #jenkins-infra
>>>- #jenkins-release
>>>
>>> There's been some very user / FOSS hostile behaviour from the owner of 
>>> freenode, latest example can be seen in 
>>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27286628.
>>>
>>> Implementation is:
>>>
>>>- Update jenkins.io
>>>- Let people currently in the channel know
>>>- Update ircbot to connect to new server and create new credentials
>>>
>>> There's been other conversations about moving the community to places 
>>> like discourse and replacing the ircbot with Jira webhooks, but I don't 
>>> believe that this is the right thread for those.
>>>
>>> ircbot does more than just hosting, it manages github permissions and 
>>> Jira components as well.
>>> Any changes to ircbot require or Jira webhook integration requires 
>>> interested contributors to build solutions.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Tim
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Re: [jenkins-infra] Migrate chat channels from freenode to libera.chat

[Oleg Nenashev]

Thanks to Alex Earl for the IRCBot migration! 
https://github.com/jenkins-infra/ircbot/pull/100

I think we should not wait until the next Governance meeting if there is a 
strong consensus in the mailing list. This is a time sensitive topic, and 
we need to migrate away as soon as possible IMHO


On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 1:28:26 PM UTC+2 Oleg Nenashev wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I definitely support such a move. For the record we've had a discussion 
> about the migration among the Jenkins governance board and infra/security 
> members. I believe we have a consensus that we want to move, effective as 
> soon as possible. I also support moving all the listed channels. We have 
> other channels, but all of them are rather dead or redundant.
>
> Notes about channels:
>
>- I would like to keep #jenkins equivalent, but not as a declared 
>default channel. We could create #jenkins-users and #jenkins-dev 
>similar to the mailing lists. Discourse would be indeed preferable for 
> many 
>subjects, and the IRC channels might become redundant (see the parallel 
>thread)
>- Private CERT chat is not a problem, we can just discontinue it in 
>favor of mailing lists
>- #jenkins-release and #jenkins-infra can be moved to Libera chat or 
>any other chat like Gitter or CDF Slack. I have a preference to keep them 
>on the same platform with conversation history by default
>- #jenkins-hosting can be moved anywhere or just replaced by some form 
>of GitHub/Jira integration bot
>- #jenkins-meeting and #jenkins-hackhouse can be deleted. For 
>meetings, if needed, we can create #jenkins-governance later
>
> Best regards,
> Oleg Nenashev
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 12:56 PM Tim Jacomb  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I would like to propose moving the following channels that currently live 
>> on freenode to libera.chat:
>>
>>- #jenkins
>>- #jenkins-hosting
>>- #jenkins-infra
>>- #jenkins-release
>>
>> There's been some very user / FOSS hostile behaviour from the owner of 
>> freenode, latest example can be seen in 
>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27286628.
>>
>> Implementation is:
>>
>>- Update jenkins.io
>>- Let people currently in the channel know
>>- Update ircbot to connect to new server and create new credentials
>>
>> There's been other conversations about moving the community to places 
>> like discourse and replacing the ircbot with Jira webhooks, but I don't 
>> believe that this is the right thread for those.
>>
>> ircbot does more than just hosting, it manages github permissions and 
>> Jira components as well.
>> Any changes to ircbot require or Jira webhook integration requires 
>> interested contributors to build solutions.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Tim
>>
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Re: [jenkins-infra] Migrate chat channels from freenode to libera.chat

[Oleg Nenashev]

Hi all,

I definitely support such a move. For the record we've had a discussion
about the migration among the Jenkins governance board and infra/security
members. I believe we have a consensus that we want to move, effective as
soon as possible. I also support moving all the listed channels. We have
other channels, but all of them are rather dead or redundant.

Notes about channels:

   - I would like to keep #jenkins equivalent, but not as a declared
   default channel. We could create #jenkins-users and #jenkins-dev similar
   to the mailing lists. Discourse would be indeed preferable for many
   subjects, and the IRC channels might become redundant (see the parallel
   thread)
   - Private CERT chat is not a problem, we can just discontinue it in
   favor of mailing lists
   - #jenkins-release and #jenkins-infra can be moved to Libera chat or any
   other chat like Gitter or CDF Slack. I have a preference to keep them on
   the same platform with conversation history by default
   - #jenkins-hosting can be moved anywhere or just replaced by some form
   of GitHub/Jira integration bot
   - #jenkins-meeting and #jenkins-hackhouse can be deleted. For meetings,
   if needed, we can create #jenkins-governance later

Best regards,
Oleg Nenashev



On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 12:56 PM Tim Jacomb  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I would like to propose moving the following channels that currently live
> on freenode to libera.chat:
>
>- #jenkins
>- #jenkins-hosting
>- #jenkins-infra
>- #jenkins-release
>
> There's been some very user / FOSS hostile behaviour from the owner of
> freenode, latest example can be seen in
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27286628.
>
> Implementation is:
>
>- Update jenkins.io
>- Let people currently in the channel know
>- Update ircbot to connect to new server and create new credentials
>
> There's been other conversations about moving the community to places like
> discourse and replacing the ircbot with Jira webhooks, but I don't believe
> that this is the right thread for those.
>
> ircbot does more than just hosting, it manages github permissions and Jira
> components as well.
> Any changes to ircbot require or Jira webhook integration requires
> interested contributors to build solutions.
>
> Thanks
> Tim
>
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Re: Migrate chat channels from freenode to libera.chat

['Olblak' via Jenkins Developers]

Hi Tim,

Thanks for bootstrapping this, I definitely support moving from Freenode to 
Libera.chat.
I have a limited bandwidth capacity at the moment but I'll try to help as soon 
as I can.
I think it's better to first move away from Freenode and then start a 
discussion about the default communication channel we want to use.



On Wed, May 26, 2021, at 12:56 PM, Tim Jacomb wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I would like to propose moving the following channels that currently live on 
> freenode to libera.chat:
>  * #jenkins
>  * #jenkins-hosting
>  * #jenkins-infra
>  * #jenkins-release
> There's been some very user / FOSS hostile behaviour from the owner of 
> freenode, latest example can be seen in 
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27286628.
> 
> Implementation is:
>  * Update jenkins.io
>  * Let people currently in the channel know
>  * Update ircbot to connect to new server and create new credentials
> There's been other conversations about moving the community to places like 
> discourse and replacing the ircbot with Jira webhooks, but I don't believe 
> that this is the right thread for those.
> 
> ircbot does more than just hosting, it manages github permissions and Jira 
> components as well.
> Any changes to ircbot require or Jira webhook integration requires interested 
> contributors to build solutions.
> 
> Thanks
> Tim
> 

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Migrate chat channels from freenode to libera.chat

[Tim Jacomb]

Hi all,

I would like to propose moving the following channels that currently live
on freenode to libera.chat:

   - #jenkins
   - #jenkins-hosting
   - #jenkins-infra
   - #jenkins-release

There's been some very user / FOSS hostile behaviour from the owner of
freenode, latest example can be seen in
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27286628.

Implementation is:

   - Update jenkins.io
   - Let people currently in the channel know
   - Update ircbot to connect to new server and create new credentials

There's been other conversations about moving the community to places like
discourse and replacing the ircbot with Jira webhooks, but I don't believe
that this is the right thread for those.

ircbot does more than just hosting, it manages github permissions and Jira
components as well.
Any changes to ircbot require or Jira webhook integration requires
interested contributors to build solutions.

Thanks
Tim

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