[Jmol-developers] [ jmol-Feature Requests-3202918 ] Radical curly arrows
Feature Requests item #3202918, was opened at 2011-03-08 12:08 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by ngreeves84 You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailatid=379136aid=3202918group_id=23629 Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Interface Improvements Group: None Status: Open Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Nick Greeves (ngreeves84) Assigned to: Bob Hanson (hansonr) Summary: Radical curly arrows Initial Comment: We have had 3D curly arrows for normal two-electron reactions for some time and they work well. http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/docs/examples-11/draw.htm I notice that there has been almost no discussion on this list about radical reactions that involve unpaired electrons and are conventionally represented by curly arrows with half a head sometimes called fishhook arrows. http://chemistry2.csudh.edu/rpendarvis/Radicals.html#homolyt We are working on representing radical reactions and would like to be able to show the mechanisms in 3D with fishhook curly arrows. Could this be done in Jmol ? -- Comment By: Nick Greeves (ngreeves84) Date: 2011-03-09 09:45 Message: I don't think the view when the arrow is pointing directly at the viewer of directly away is critical. The current curly arrows don't look that clever from those directions. But that is OK as the user will simply rotate to see the full story. I think for the radical arrows having half a cone and always the top if the arrow is mainly horizontal at the end or the right if it is mainly vertical. Or maybe a translucent cone for single electrons and an opaque one for pairs. Or a differently coloured cone. Either might work well and be easy to implement. One might argue that the translucent idea is also in keeping with the lower weighting of the representation - fishhook v double headed -- Comment By: Bob Hanson (hansonr) Date: 2011-03-08 18:12 Message: Try to think of a nifty way to do this in 3D. Remember that that head could be pointing straight at the user, or perpendicular to the screen, or straight away. What would work for that? -- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailatid=379136aid=3202918group_id=23629 -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ Jmol-developers mailing list Jmol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers
[Jmol-developers] [ jmol-Feature Requests-3202918 ] Radical curly arrows
Feature Requests item #3202918, was opened at 2011-03-08 06:08
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Category: Interface Improvements
Group: None
Status: Open
Priority: 5
Private: No
Submitted By: Nick Greeves (ngreeves84)
Assigned to: Bob Hanson (hansonr)
Summary: Radical curly arrows
Initial Comment:
We have had 3D curly arrows for normal two-electron reactions for some time
and they work well.
http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/docs/examples-11/draw.htm
I notice that there has been almost no discussion on this list about radical
reactions that involve unpaired electrons and are conventionally represented by
curly arrows with half a head sometimes called fishhook arrows.
http://chemistry2.csudh.edu/rpendarvis/Radicals.html#homolyt
We are working on representing radical reactions and would like to be able to
show the mechanisms in 3D with fishhook curly arrows. Could this be done in
Jmol ?
--
Comment By: Bob Hanson (hansonr)
Date: 2011-03-09 06:51
Message:
Jmol 12.1.39 --
http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/docs/examples-12/Jmol-12.zip
draw arrow {0 0 0} {1 2 3} {4 5 5} ... BARB
turned out to be trivial.
--
Comment By: Nick Greeves (ngreeves84)
Date: 2011-03-09 03:45
Message:
I don't think the view when the arrow is pointing directly at the viewer of
directly away is critical. The current curly arrows don't look that clever
from those directions. But that is OK as the user will simply rotate to see
the full story.
I think for the radical arrows having half a cone and always the top if
the arrow is mainly horizontal at the end or the right if it is mainly
vertical.
Or maybe a translucent cone for single electrons and an opaque one for
pairs. Or a differently coloured cone. Either might work well and be easy
to implement. One might argue that the translucent idea is also in keeping
with the lower weighting of the representation - fishhook v double headed
--
Comment By: Bob Hanson (hansonr)
Date: 2011-03-08 12:12
Message:
Try to think of a nifty way to do this in 3D. Remember that that head could
be pointing straight at the user, or perpendicular to the screen, or
straight away. What would work for that?
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[Jmol-developers] [ jmol-Feature Requests-3202918 ] Radical curly arrows
Feature Requests item #3202918, was opened at 2011-03-08 12:08
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Category: Interface Improvements
Group: None
Status: Closed
Priority: 5
Private: No
Submitted By: Nick Greeves (ngreeves84)
Assigned to: Bob Hanson (hansonr)
Summary: Radical curly arrows
Initial Comment:
We have had 3D curly arrows for normal two-electron reactions for some time
and they work well.
http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/docs/examples-11/draw.htm
I notice that there has been almost no discussion on this list about radical
reactions that involve unpaired electrons and are conventionally represented by
curly arrows with half a head sometimes called fishhook arrows.
http://chemistry2.csudh.edu/rpendarvis/Radicals.html#homolyt
We are working on representing radical reactions and would like to be able to
show the mechanisms in 3D with fishhook curly arrows. Could this be done in
Jmol ?
--
Comment By: Nick Greeves (ngreeves84)
Date: 2011-03-09 16:05
Message:
Fantastic Bob, many thanks
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Comment By: Bob Hanson (hansonr)
Date: 2011-03-09 12:51
Message:
Jmol 12.1.39 --
http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/docs/examples-12/Jmol-12.zip
draw arrow {0 0 0} {1 2 3} {4 5 5} ... BARB
turned out to be trivial.
--
Comment By: Nick Greeves (ngreeves84)
Date: 2011-03-09 09:45
Message:
I don't think the view when the arrow is pointing directly at the viewer of
directly away is critical. The current curly arrows don't look that clever
from those directions. But that is OK as the user will simply rotate to see
the full story.
I think for the radical arrows having half a cone and always the top if
the arrow is mainly horizontal at the end or the right if it is mainly
vertical.
Or maybe a translucent cone for single electrons and an opaque one for
pairs. Or a differently coloured cone. Either might work well and be easy
to implement. One might argue that the translucent idea is also in keeping
with the lower weighting of the representation - fishhook v double headed
--
Comment By: Bob Hanson (hansonr)
Date: 2011-03-08 18:12
Message:
Try to think of a nifty way to do this in 3D. Remember that that head could
be pointing straight at the user, or perpendicular to the screen, or
straight away. What would work for that?
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[Jmol-developers] [ jmol-Feature Requests-3202918 ] Radical curly arrows
Feature Requests item #3202918, was opened at 2011-03-08 12:08 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by ngreeves84 You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailatid=379136aid=3202918group_id=23629 Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Interface Improvements Group: None Status: Open Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Nick Greeves (ngreeves84) Assigned to: Bob Hanson (hansonr) Summary: Radical curly arrows Initial Comment: We have had 3D curly arrows for normal two-electron reactions for some time and they work well. http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/docs/examples-11/draw.htm I notice that there has been almost no discussion on this list about radical reactions that involve unpaired electrons and are conventionally represented by curly arrows with half a head sometimes called fishhook arrows. http://chemistry2.csudh.edu/rpendarvis/Radicals.html#homolyt We are working on representing radical reactions and would like to be able to show the mechanisms in 3D with fishhook curly arrows. Could this be done in Jmol ? -- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailatid=379136aid=3202918group_id=23629 -- What You Don't Know About Data Connectivity CAN Hurt You This paper provides an overview of data connectivity, details its effect on application quality, and explores various alternative solutions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/progress-d2d ___ Jmol-developers mailing list Jmol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers
Re: [Jmol-developers] [ jmol-Feature Requests-3202918 ] Radical curly arrows
Would 3-D arrows with only the half of the arrow-head on the outside of the arc work? That's the only way I can imagine doing it in 3D that could be well defined. The problem with this is there would be some orientations where the arrowhead would be hard to see. Jonathan On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:08 AM, SourceForge.net wrote: Feature Requests item #3202918, was opened at 2011-03-08 12:08 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by ngreeves84 You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailatid=379136aid=3202918group_id=23629 Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Interface Improvements Group: None Status: Open Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Nick Greeves (ngreeves84) Assigned to: Bob Hanson (hansonr) Summary: Radical curly arrows Initial Comment: We have had 3D curly arrows for normal two-electron reactions for some time and they work well. http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/docs/examples-11/draw.htm I notice that there has been almost no discussion on this list about radical reactions that involve unpaired electrons and are conventionally represented by curly arrows with half a head sometimes called fishhook arrows. http://chemistry2.csudh.edu/rpendarvis/Radicals.html#homolyt We are working on representing radical reactions and would like to be able to show the mechanisms in 3D with fishhook curly arrows. Could this be done in Jmol ? -- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailatid=379136aid=3202918group_id=23629 -- What You Don't Know About Data Connectivity CAN Hurt You This paper provides an overview of data connectivity, details its effect on application quality, and explores various alternative solutions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/progress-d2d ___ Jmol-developers mailing list Jmol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers Dr. Jonathan H. Gutow Chemistry Department gu...@uwosh.edu UW-Oshkosh Office:920-424-1326 800 Algoma Boulevard FAX:920-424-2042 Oshkosh, WI 54901 http://www.uwosh.edu/facstaff/gutow -- What You Don't Know About Data Connectivity CAN Hurt You This paper provides an overview of data connectivity, details its effect on application quality, and explores various alternative solutions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/progress-d2d ___ Jmol-developers mailing list Jmol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers
[Jmol-developers] [ jmol-Feature Requests-3202918 ] Radical curly arrows
Feature Requests item #3202918, was opened at 2011-03-08 06:08 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by hansonr You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailatid=379136aid=3202918group_id=23629 Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Interface Improvements Group: None Status: Open Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Nick Greeves (ngreeves84) Assigned to: Bob Hanson (hansonr) Summary: Radical curly arrows Initial Comment: We have had 3D curly arrows for normal two-electron reactions for some time and they work well. http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/docs/examples-11/draw.htm I notice that there has been almost no discussion on this list about radical reactions that involve unpaired electrons and are conventionally represented by curly arrows with half a head sometimes called fishhook arrows. http://chemistry2.csudh.edu/rpendarvis/Radicals.html#homolyt We are working on representing radical reactions and would like to be able to show the mechanisms in 3D with fishhook curly arrows. Could this be done in Jmol ? -- Comment By: Bob Hanson (hansonr) Date: 2011-03-08 12:12 Message: Try to think of a nifty way to do this in 3D. Remember that that head could be pointing straight at the user, or perpendicular to the screen, or straight away. What would work for that? -- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailatid=379136aid=3202918group_id=23629 -- What You Don't Know About Data Connectivity CAN Hurt You This paper provides an overview of data connectivity, details its effect on application quality, and explores various alternative solutions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/progress-d2d ___ Jmol-developers mailing list Jmol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-developers
