Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts
Dirk Stöcker writes: On Mon, 30 Apr 2012, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: is also not planned I think). There's just one big annoyance introduced: the key for delete mode. This now is impossible to select with just one hand, so you have to get the other hand off the mouse which really disturbs workflow. The D key removal was actually requested, as too many people accidentially deleted stuff. Oh, good, then can we get rid of the drag to move things feature for ways? Most of what I would call vandalism turns out to be somebody who dragged a whole way when they meant to move a single node. This problem has become worse since the ability to move a node which is part of a selected way was taken away. I don't mean to whine, because JOSM really is *that* good, but do you do ANY usability testing at all? For example, having the motion targets pop up and disappear on the right (e.g. you can't see Add in the Properties box until you've moved the cursor into the properties box) seems to break every usability principle that I know of. Fortunately, you added the feature which takes that misfeature away, so one hand giveth and the other taketh away. I think you should take Delete mode away. It's just fine for people to have to select the things they want to delete and then hit the 'delete' key. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 1:18 AM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Dirk Stöcker writes: On Mon, 30 Apr 2012, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: is also not planned I think). There's just one big annoyance introduced: the key for delete mode. This now is impossible to select with just one hand, so you have to get the other hand off the mouse which really disturbs workflow. The D key removal was actually requested, as too many people accidentially deleted stuff. Oh, good, then can we get rid of the drag to move things feature for ways? Most of what I would call vandalism turns out to be somebody who dragged a whole way when they meant to move a single node. This problem has become worse since the ability to move a node which is part of a selected way was taken away. You can still move a node that is part of a way. Your mouse cursor just has to be inside the tiny square. I think there used to be a small buffer around it that got removed. You can bump the node size up in the advanced settings (mappaint.node.unselected-size) which will make the target you have to hit a little bigger but will also make it display larger on the screen which may or may not be desirable. Partially because of this I tend to just use the w mode to move nodes that are part of a way. But I do get hit by this every once in a while and usually it produces an expletive :) Toby ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts
2012/5/1 Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com: Dirk Stöcker writes: Oh, good, then can we get rid of the drag to move things feature for ways? Most of what I would call vandalism turns out to be somebody who dragged a whole way when they meant to move a single node. This problem has become worse since the ability to move a node which is part of a selected way was taken away. there is a function that warns you if you move one or more ways with a total of more than x nodes, maybe reducing the default of x even more (to say 5 or so) would solve this issue. Who feels bothered then could raise the default in the preferences. I'm in favour of reducing x to a low value. cheers, Martin ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts
2012/5/1 Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com: You can still move a node that is part of a way. Your mouse cursor just has to be inside the tiny square. I think there used to be a small buffer around it that got removed. in latest I don't see the buffer removed. Do you have highlighting disabled? Otherwise you can also see whether you are inside the snapping range by highlighting and the kind of cursor symbol that is displayed (very good feature in usability terms IMHO). cheers, Martin ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts
2012/4/30 Dirk Stöcker openstreet...@dstoecker.de: The D key removal was actually requested, as too many people accidentially deleted stuff. If you have trouble with DEL key, then reassign the function to D. Together with shortcuts changes the whole system was reworked, so that local key assignments should be much more stable in the future (Conflicts now always lead to uncommon shortcuts instead of the cascading of the past). all right, I'll try this. In the past I had very bad experiences with reassigning shortcuts (shortcut-conflict cascades which changed lots of primary shortcuts, and reset of custom shortcuts after updates), so I decided not to do this any more, but if these problems are solved I am happy to customize this. cheers, Martin ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts
Toby Murray writes: Partially because of this I tend to just use the w mode to move nodes that are part of a way. OH YEAH BABY! 'w' mode is the cat's meow. Kudos to everybody who worked on that. I do most of my editing in 'w' mode now. But I do get hit by this every once in a while and usually it produces an expletive :) I'm just wondering how often you move an entire way, as opposed to a single node? You can get the same effect by selecting the way, searching for child selected, and then moving any one of the nodes. About once a month I need to move an entire way. I don't understand the use case for this feature. Can somebody (preferably somebody who uses it every day) explain it to me? -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
