Re: [josm-dev] Endless bugfixing
On 11/03/2010 21:07, Richard Welty wrote: > On 3/11/10 4:32 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Dirk Stöcker wrote: >> >>> End of this month is JAVA6.0 in any case. It would be fine, when we have a >>> bit more stable version by then, but if not, then current tested will be >>> last 5.0. >>> >> I have taken the liberty of posting that bit to talk@ so that those who >> don't yet use Java6 have some time to get prepared (i.e. order a new >> Macbook) ;-) >> > i have to say as a mac user that anyone who is still using one of these > old macs has a very > high pain threshold. i retired my powerbook g4 a while ago, and it was > getting pretty > painful towards the end. > > my macbook pro runs java 6 just fine. It's not quite as simple as that though. My Mac Mini is on 10.4 Tiger. It's only 3 years old and is plenty powerful enough. I don't use it as my desktop machine but as a server, so the Java 6 for JOSM issue isn't really relevant for me, and I know very few people are in that situation, so it probably doesn't matter. But if I was using this as my main machine, you can't actually upgrade a Mac Mini without a lot of angst (and it's an expensive machine to just replace): to add Snow Leopard firstly requires one to buy iWork etc which is expensive if you don't want it, and Snow Leopard also requires more memory which is either very, very expensive via Apple or incredibly fiddly to do DIY using third party memory. In the end it's probably more than half the cost of a new machine to do the upgrade. (Mind you, the iPad requires 10.5 minimum, so if I was tempted by one of those, I'd have to upgrade, or switch my music syncing etc to my Windows 7 PC). David ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Endless bugfixing
On 3/11/10 4:32 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > Dirk Stöcker wrote: > >> End of this month is JAVA6.0 in any case. It would be fine, when we have a >> bit more stable version by then, but if not, then current tested will be >> last 5.0. >> > I have taken the liberty of posting that bit to talk@ so that those who > don't yet use Java6 have some time to get prepared (i.e. order a new > Macbook) ;-) > i have to say as a mac user that anyone who is still using one of these old macs has a very high pain threshold. i retired my powerbook g4 a while ago, and it was getting pretty painful towards the end. my macbook pro runs java 6 just fine. richard ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Endless bugfixing
Hi, Dirk Stöcker wrote: > End of this month is JAVA6.0 in any case. It would be fine, when we have a > bit more stable version by then, but if not, then current tested will be > last 5.0. I have taken the liberty of posting that bit to talk@ so that those who don't yet use Java6 have some time to get prepared (i.e. order a new Macbook) ;-) Bye Frederik ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Endless bugfixing
On Thu, 11 Mar 2010, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: > May I make a suggestion? > create a java 6.0 branch and run that in parallel until it works. As nobody would care for 5.0 branch then, we can also leave it as is. As already said I'm not perfectly happy with current tested and it took/takes longer due to this 6.0 Java issue. But it does not take endless :-) End of this month is JAVA6.0 in any case. It would be fine, when we have a bit more stable version by then, but if not, then current tested will be last 5.0. Ciao -- http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available) ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Endless bugfixing
Hello, May I make a suggestion? create a java 6.0 branch and run that in parallel until it works. mike ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Endless bugfixing
On Wed, 10 Mar 2010, Sebastian Klein wrote: > We are fixing bugs for 2 months now, so time can't be the issue. We have > to clearly identify the bugs that need to be fixed, then just do it and > move on. The new stuff is probably piling up in the local repositories, > this stagnation is quite annoying. Also there seems to be some central drawing and data loss issues. As said I have little time to do deep investigations, but: - I see the bug reports and see little progress in reduction - Whenever I start JOSM myself I detect serious issues still existing or new - We have really lots of open core bugs - Discussions show me there are still issues which should be fixed before doing fancy new stuff - Plugin handling still does not work as reliable as it did before (does e.g. not load plugins from system files - see bugreport recently created). This is a very central component and must work reliable. So my feeling is: JOSM is not stable enough. If you and other more active users reach a consensus that my feeling is false, then I will accept that and we can move on. Ciao -- http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available) ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
