Re: [josm-dev] Mailing list configuration - reply address
On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 01:46:32 +0200, Sebastian Klein wrote: All of OSM's lists are also carried on gmane.org as gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.* Not the ones I would be interested in: HOT, legal-general, osmf-talk, potlatch-dev, ... Those are easily enough added; check the gmane faq. Alright, I got it... How comes talk-de is configured like this when it is so absolutely dreadful? Good question; postmaster oversight? ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Mailing list configuration - reply address
This is such a strange discussion, which comes up from time to time on various mailinglists and everybody is convinced his opinion is right. Actually I see no big difference between both and prefer the Reply-To-List default which is equal to the way usenet postings are done (probably I'm too old, as I used usenet long before mailinglists :-). My mails have a Reply-To-List always (because I much more often got double mails due to unexperienced authors than I got private mails over lists) and until now the But-I-Cant-Send-To-Author fraction never complained. I'd like to get my mails as dupes. Which means i can respond much more quickly. I tend to not look into the mailinglist folders to often. And i also forward mails into the inbox to other locations for prompt reaction. Flo -- Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
[josm-dev] Mailing list configuration - reply address
Hi, who is managing the mailing list? I would appreciate, if mails sent to the list would have Reply-To: josm-dev@openstreetmap.org in the header. This way you can answer more easily to the list. Sebastian ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Mailing list configuration - reply address
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 19:52, Sebastian Klein basti...@googlemail.com wrote: who is managing the mailing list? I would appreciate, if mails sent to the list would have Reply-To: josm-dev@openstreetmap.org in the header. This way you can answer more easily to the list. a reply-to sent directly to the user is there just to prevent somebody sending a personal mail to the whole list. any sufficiently advanced mailer has a reply to all button. /me is not the list owner here. -- -S ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Mailing list configuration - reply address
Am 19.08.2010 19:57, schrieb Simone Cortesi: a reply-to sent directly to the user is there just to prevent somebody sending a personal mail to the whole list. any sufficiently advanced mailer has a reply to all button. +1 Thunderbird has a Reply to list button. This is active when it finds some mailing list headers. A Reply-To: header makes it difficult to reply to the author. Especially the subscribers of a developers' mailing list should know how to use (and configure) their MUA. Bodo ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Mailing list configuration - reply address
Bodo Meissner wrote: Am 19.08.2010 19:57, schrieb Simone Cortesi: a reply-to sent directly to the user is there just to prevent somebody sending a personal mail to the whole list. any sufficiently advanced mailer has a reply to all button. +1 Thunderbird has a Reply to list button. This is active when it finds some mailing list headers. A Reply-To: header makes it difficult to reply to the author. Especially the subscribers of a developers' mailing list should know how to use (and configure) their MUA. Mine hasn't. Maybe I should update... Sebastian ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Mailing list configuration - reply address
Sebastian Klein schrieb: Bodo Meissner wrote: Thunderbird has a Reply to list button. This is active when it finds some mailing list headers. A Reply-To: header makes it difficult to reply to the author. Especially the subscribers of a developers' mailing list should know how to use (and configure) their MUA. Mine hasn't. Maybe I should update... There's an extension for TB 2 which adds a toolbar button for replying to the mailing list. You can get it here: http://www.juergen-ernst.de/addons/replytolist.html Greets, Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Mailing list configuration - reply address
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 07:52:38PM +0200, Sebastian Klein wrote: Hi, who is managing the mailing list? I would appreciate, if mails sent to the list would have Reply-To: josm-dev@openstreetmap.org in the header. This way you can answer more easily to the list. http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html Flo -- Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Mailing list configuration - reply address
Am 19.08.2010 19:57, schrieb Simone Cortesi: a reply-to sent directly to the user is there just to prevent somebody sending a personal mail to the whole list. Because of the way most OSM lists are set up, I accidentally sent a personal email to the whole list back when I was starting... A Reply-To: header makes it difficult to reply to the author. That is the odd case. 95% of the time it is appropriate to reply to the list to share the knowledge. Especially the subscribers of a developers' mailing list should know how to use (and configure) their MUA. Most popular MUAs have no special handling for the case of reply-to-list. I know the list setup won't change, but I thought I'd add my opinion. g ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Mailing list configuration - reply address
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:52:38 +0200, Sebastian Klein wrote: Hi, who is managing the mailing list? I would appreciate, if mails sent to the list would have Reply-To: josm-dev@openstreetmap.org in the header. This way you can answer more easily to the list. Reply-To: is a human-only header, to indicate where replies to the author should go, not where replies to the list should go. Mailing lists are supposed to set List-Id to indicate the mailing list reply address, which this one does. Modern mailers (save for gmail, which Google would prefer you use Google Groups for such use) have Reply-to-List. All of OSM's lists are also carried on gmane.org as gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.* I suggest you investigate your options rather than expecting the lists to do something that doesn't comply with accepted best practices. ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Mailing list configuration - reply address
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:57:04 +0200, Simone Cortesi wrote: a reply-to sent directly to the user is there just to prevent somebody sending a personal mail to the whole list. any sufficiently advanced mailer has a reply to all button. People who are reading the list don't need two copies of replies. Reply- to-All is not the function you are looking for. ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Mailing list configuration - reply address
Paul Johnson wrote: On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:52:38 +0200, Sebastian Klein wrote: Hi, who is managing the mailing list? I would appreciate, if mails sent to the list would have Reply-To: josm-dev@openstreetmap.org in the header. This way you can answer more easily to the list. Reply-To: is a human-only header, to indicate where replies to the author should go, not where replies to the list should go. Mailing lists are supposed to set List-Id to indicate the mailing list reply address, which this one does. Modern mailers (save for gmail, which Google would prefer you use Google Groups for such use) have Reply-to-List. All of OSM's lists are also carried on gmane.org as gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.* Not the ones I would be interested in: HOT, legal-general, osmf-talk, potlatch-dev, ... I suggest you investigate your options rather than expecting the lists to do something that doesn't comply with accepted best practices. Alright, I got it... How comes talk-de is configured like this when it is so absolutely dreadful? I think now I found the perfect solution: Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V. ;) Sorry for being a little off topic, Sebastian ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Mailing list configuration - reply address
On 8/19/10 7:46 PM, Sebastian Klein wrote: Alright, I got it... How comes talk-de is configured like this when it is so absolutely dreadful? um, because the admin for talk-de has never seen what happens when certain mail systems go bonkers? (this usually happens after close of business on friday nights, by the way). most experienced mail admins have seen awful things happen with reply-to set to the list, which is why we categorically refuse to do it. richard ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Mailing list configuration - reply address
Florian Lohoff wrote: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html http://marc.merlins.org/netrants/reply-to-useful.html Off-topic can be fun ;) Honestly: With the reply-to list add-On for Thunderbird I don't miss anything. It should be included in standard distribution. Stephan ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Mailing list configuration - reply address
Sebastian Klein writes: who is managing the mailing list? I would appreciate, if mails sent to the list would have Reply-To: josm-dev@openstreetmap.org in the header. This way you can answer more easily to the list. Sigh. http://russnelson.com/rt.html -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Mailing list configuration - reply address
Am 20.08.2010 02:17, schrieb Stephan Knauss: Honestly: With the reply-to list add-On for Thunderbird I don't miss anything. It should be included in standard distribution. Thunderbird 3.1.2 (don't know since when) has this ability by default. Bodo ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
