[JOYnet] God of Small Things - by OS Hilman

2002-10-18 Thread Jason :)
God of Small Things - O.S. Hilman

Who despises the day of small things?
- (Zechariah 4:10)


Life is filled with a series of small things that can amount to something big.
Have you ever considered why the God of the universe came to earth and spent
33 years identifying with mankind through work? Jesus grew up as a carpenter's
son and, no doubt, learned the trade from His daily routine of helping His
father. For 30 years He worked. When it was time for Him to begin to fulfill
His purpose for mankind, He told countless stories of people and their work.
He told stories of landowners, farmers, fishermen, tax collectors, and so on.
He related to the everyday man because He Himself was one. This is why it was
important for Him to have some personal work experience.

Life is filled with daily routines. Every now and then, God takes us to the
mountaintop to experience His presence in a dramatic way. This is not the
norm. It was not the norm for those in the Bible either. Moses spent 40 years
in preparation. Paul spent a great deal of his life working toward the wrong
purpose until a dramatic event changed his life. Jacob spent 20 years working
for Laban.

God uses work to develop character qualities that He plans to use at the
appropriate time. In the small things we develop trustworthiness with God. The
day-in and day-out grind of working life molds us and makes us into what God
desires. God may still be preparing you for something far greater. For now,
however, you are learning the daily lessons of small things. Pray that you
will be faithful.

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Dear JYs, the above is a reproduction of a sharing by OS Hilman.
Should any facts be disputable according 2 u kindly share it across.
urs in faith
Jason
===


The children were lined up in the cafeteria of a Catholic elementary school
for lunch. At the head of the table was a large pile of apples. The nun made
a note, and posted on the apple tray, Take only one. God is watching.

Moving further along the lunch line, at the other end of the table was a
large pile of chocolate chip cookies. One child whispered to another,
Take all you want. God is watching the apples.


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[JOYnet] Corpus Christi: A US film

2002-10-18 Thread george
Loving all,
Pl. read the mail below..Does anybody know abt. this? Anyway, let's pray and ask
for Lord's blessing on those who try to do this.

luv n prayers
george
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 Hello ALL,

   A disgusting film set to appear in America later this year depicts Jesus
 and  his disciples as homosexuals! As a play, this has already been in
theatres for  a while. It's called Corpus Christi which means The Christ
Body. It's a  revolting mockery of our Lord. But we can make a difference.
That's why I am  sending this e-mail to you. Will you please add your name to
the bottom of the  list at the end of this e-mail? If you do,  then together we
may be able to  prevent this film from showing in America.

   Hey, it's worth a shot! Apparently, some regions in Europe have already
 banned the film. All we need is a lot of signatures! Remember, Jesus said
 Deny  me on earth and I'll deny you before of my Father. Please copy this
message  Ctrl C (ie. Please don't just forward it!!!) Paste the text in a new
e-mail Ctrl V, then add your name to the list and send it to all your
friends.

   When the list you sign reaches 500 names, please send it to:
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
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[JOYnet] Holy Harps - A Musical OutReach team

2002-10-18 Thread bristow parambi
hallo,

I'm happy to announce u all about the website of Holy
Harps,a musical out reach team of Irinjalakuda.
Please visit the site and mark u'r opinions in the
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[JOYnet] Do You have that Vacuum in You...?

2002-10-18 Thread Manoj Mathew
Dear friends in Jesus ,

In our day today lives we desire, love and possess many things. But later ew realize 
that they do not satisfy us. I often desire and try to acquire sth, but only after 
possession do I sadly realize that what I have in my custody is not the real thing I 
desired and loved, but only a feeble shadow ! 

A few days back as I was going through a book by Pascal, a French Philosopher, 
my eyes struck up on a point ie, there is a vacuum in every man, that's shape is that 
of God. What we often do is we try to fill it by acquiring power and possessions. But 
still the vacuum remains and we feel a sense of loss. This may be the reason why 
St.Augustine once said: our hearts were made for you O Lord and how weary they are 
until they rest in You  Therefore dear friends let us open our hearts to the Lord who 
knocks at its door (Rev.3/20) and let him be the king of our hearts who can only fill 
our inner vacuum.

 A man with Jesus is a Hero, a man without Jesus is a Zero

A friend in Jesus,

Manoj Mathew Kavumkal

Bahrain
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Re: [JOYnet] Corpus Christi: A US film

2002-10-18 Thread Mathew Joseph
Hi all,

This is just another CHAIN MAIL circulating in the internet.
Please ignore it.

Mathew
Bangalore.

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Subject: [JOYnet] Corpus Christi: A US film


 Loving all,
 Pl. read the mail below..Does anybody know abt. this? Anyway, let's pray
and ask
 for Lord's blessing on those who try to do this.

 luv n prayers
 george
 --
-
 Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 
  Hello ALL,
 
A disgusting film set to appear in America later this year depicts
Jesus
  and  his disciples as homosexuals! As a play, this has already been in
 theatres for  a while. It's called Corpus Christi which means The
Christ
 Body. It's a  revolting mockery of our Lord. But we can make a
difference.
 That's why I am  sending this e-mail to you. Will you please add your name
to
 the bottom of the  list at the end of this e-mail? If you do,  then
together we
 may be able to  prevent this film from showing in America.


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[JOYnet] rejoice2002

2002-10-18 Thread dr.jomon
peace be with you

it was really a wonderful experience.
we could see many rocks becoming ice creams.counseling of br.abey, divine
retreat center had a very crucial role in this conversion. the adoration by
br.k.u.thomas also helped a lot.
i used to receive encouraging messages from our joseph sebastian [satara].
   thank you joseph sir

some specialities

screening of Let me smile by our Vipin.p.roldant. thank you vipin for his
effort to attend all the campus programs in one day.he attented national
campus meet as audio vision coordinator and for the screening in kottayam
campus meet also.
sex education separately to boys  girls by dr.smithy  dr.sanal
couples[joynet],followed by personal doubt clarification
class on 'suffering' by dr.alamelu sasidhar. on program review, many
students comment on this topic.
class on 'called to be the saints of the new millennium' by fr.jimmy
poochakadan.


dr.jomon cherian
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[JOYnet] Fwd: Story Of A Butterfly

2002-10-18 Thread stanly kulangara
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Story Of A Butterfly

One day, a small opening appeared on a cocoon;a man watched the butterfly for
several hours as it struggled to force its body through that little hole.
Then,it seemed to stop making any progress.He decided to help the butterfly:he
took a pair of scissors and opened the cocoon.

The butterfly emerged easily.
But it had a withered body,it was tiny and had shrivelled wings.

He expected that,at any moment,the wings would open to be able to support  the
butterfly's body.

Neither happened!

In fact the butterfly spent the rest of its life crawling around and was never
able to fly.

The man, in his kindness and his goodwill, did not understand that the
restricting cocoon and the struggle required for the butterfly to get through
the tiny opening,were God's way of forcing fluid from the body of the
butterfly into its wings,so that it would be ready for flight.

If God allowed us to go through our life without any obstacles,it would
cripple us.

I asked for Strength.
And God gave me Difficulties to make me strong.
I asked for Wisdom.
And God gave me Problems to solve.
I asked for Prosperity.
And God gave me a Brain and Brawn to work.
I asked for Courage..
And God gave me Obstacles to overcome.
I asked for Love..
And God gave me Troubled people to help.
I received Nothing I wanted.
But I received Everything I needed.


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[JOYnet] Jacob's Ladder

2002-10-18 Thread abbyabraham
 acob's Ladder

Everything in Jacob's life was providential. The Bible speaks of Jacob who has
proved to be more than a cunning person. Jacob outwitted his own family. And,
Jacob is best known as the very few in the Bible who challenged God and got
away with it.

Jacob was determined, demanding and dreamful. It is his dreams and demands
that propelled a change in his life.

Most of us have had at least one  tough day with dead-lock problems. A day of
sweeping decisions. A day we worry for our very basics, a day we must have
quarrelled with our family. End of it all, we are all alone. The nature ends
the day with the night. We sleep on a  pillow to  wait for a dream,  wait for
that  'Jacob' in us.

For Jacob, it was a stone for a pillow and emptiness was the sky. First came a
doze. Then came the angels. Jacob was guided by God through every stage of his
ambition. In the troubles and plight that followed, Jacob wrestles with the
very Strength that had led him. Trampled with a wrenched hip, Jacob wanted
blessings. A pro-active believer, Jacob, receives that sure blessings he
fights for.  Jacob bridges the earth and the heaven with the presence of God
in his life.

Hai! wait, What can I grasp in my dreams?  For a moment I saw the desire in me
for that comforting ladder.  From a spiralling corporate-ladder hectic with
targets and achievements to a delightful career-ladder beaconing God's
presence in the everyday events; from a dusty and cob-webbed ladder that was
seldom used to a growing social-ladder often traversed with kindness and
charity; a ladder through which I can climb into the desires of my own heart -
for the Glory of God.

But then, I wait for my dream, my ladder and my angles.

Jacob had a dream.

God,  I too want a dream ! And I too want to  wakeup to a Bethel of my
dreams!!

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[JOYnet] Mary Magdalene misquoted

2002-10-18 Thread Joseph lonth
Dear Friends
Mary, sister of Martha and Lazarus, and Mary Magdalene are trade off quite 
often by many preachers and teachers. It is not correct both are different 
person.
Some times these two are also equated with the woman caught in adultery by 
the Jews and brought before Jesus. This also is also wrong as there is no 
major clue to arrive at such a conclusion.
The Mary who anointed Jesus was Mary, sister of Martha and Lazarus if we 
take the account of John 12: 1-7 in conjunction with Matt 26: 6-13 and Mark 
14: 3-9 and Luk 7: 36-50
Mary Magdalene is categorically distinguished with a parenthesis in Luk 8:2.

God bless you

Joseph Lonth


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[JOYnet] St. Mary Magdalene.

2002-10-18 Thread Sanju Joseph
Dear brothers and sisters of the the JoyNet,

Saints are special people from whom we can draw a lot of inspiration in
our Christian Walk. They are people according to St. Paul who ..First gave
themselves to the Lord; and then by God's will they gave themselves to us as
well 2 Cori 8 : 5. I would like to share my thoughts on the life of this
beautiful saint - St. Mary Magdalene who appears so many times in the Bible as
a person so intimate in serving Jesus. She is without doubt a powerful
intercessor for us to Jesus.

It is believed that St.Mary Magdalene was the sinner referred to in (LUKE
7:36-50) who anointed Jesus' feet at the banquet of Simon, the Pharisee. We
see Jesus appreciating her act of faith and forgiving her sins.

   The gospel also suggests that St. Mary Magdalene used to help Jesus and his
ministry financially as is revealed in (MRK 15:41, 16:1; LUK 8:3). God used
Mary Magdalene and many other women to support Jesus and his disciples
financially. (MAT 27:55; MAR 15:41).

   The gospel also speaks about Her being delivered from demonic possession.
She was one person who was desperately in need of divine intervention and we
see that she attains it through Jesus Christ the great Deliverer. MARK 16:9
says that seven demons had been driven out of her by Jesus.

   St. Mary Magdalene after her encounter with Christ and His saving love was
steadfast in her faithfulness in following Him even under severe persecution
till the foot of the Cross with His Mother.(MATHEW 27:55; MARK 15:40; LUKE
23:49; JOHN 19:25).

   We also see St. Mary Magdalene keen to anoint Jesus at the time of
entombment after his death. The bible says that she purchased the spices for
the anointing of Jesus body at the tomb. (MARK16:1)

St. Mary Magdalene reveals her deep commitment to Lord Jesus in John 20 :
11 when we see her crying bitterly at the Lords tomb and when she complains to
the Angels seated in the tomb -  They have taken my Lord away ... We also
see St. Mary Magdalene sprinting to the disciples to inform them about the
empty tomb. Because of her great love and faith she gets the rare oppurtunity
to speak and listen to the voice of the Angels of God. The angel said to the
women, 'Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was
crucified. He is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the
place where he lay.'
MATH 28:5,6

  And finally we see Jesus Himself rewarding her commitment, by revealing
first to her; after His resurrection and calling her  Mary  and she
responding as Rabboni - a word full of love and faithfulness.

  St. Mary Magdalene is one of my favourite woman in the New Testament; after
Mother Mary who is full of zeal and love towards serving God. She should have
been very close to Mother Mary too and should have been present in the Upper
Room with Mother Mary and  all the Apostles to receive the powerful anointing
of the Holy Spirit. She is truly a great saint isn't she ??

   Now I invite you dear brother and sisters in making this prayer to St. Mary
Magdalene one of the oldest prayers written by St. Ansalem. Are we giving
enough importance to her in our prayers ? Cos she is one person who was really
intimate to Jesus and when she intercedes; you can be sure that the heavens
are gonna open!


Prayer to St Mary Magdalene

By Saint Anselm

In the name of the father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

O, St Mary Magdalene, you came with springing tears to the spring of mercy,
our Lord Jesus Christ; from him your burning thirst was abundantly refreshed,
through him your sins were forgiven; by him your bitter sorrow was consoled.

My dearest lady, you know well by your own life how a sinful soul can be
reconciled with its creator, what counsel a soul in misery needs, what
medicine will restore the sick to health.

It is enough for us to understand, dear friend of God, to whom were many sins
forgiven, because you loved our saviour Jesus Christ so much .

Most blessed St. Mary Magdalene, I who am the most evil and sinful of
men(women) do not recall your sins as a reproach, but call upon the boundless
mercy by which they were blotted out.

This is my reassurance, so that I do not despair; this is my longing, so that
I shall not perish because of my sins.

Therefore, since you are now with the chosen because you are beloved and are
beloved because you are chosen of God, I , in my misery, pray to you, in
bliss; in my darkness, I ask for light; in my sins, redemption; in my
impurity, I ask for purity.

Recall in loving kindness what you used to be St. Mary Magdalene, how much you
needed mercy, and seek for me that same forgiving love that you received when
you were wanting it. Ask urgently that I may have the love that pierces the
heart; tears that are humble; desire for the homeland of heaven; impatience
with this earthly exile; searing repentance; and a dread of torments in
eternity.

Turn to my good that ready access that you once had and still have to 

[JOYnet] sacred space 4 internet users!!!!!!!!

2002-10-18 Thread rose maria
I've found a new web site, called Sacred Space (at www.jesuit.ie/prayer). It guides 
you through a 5-10 minute prayer session, in six steps (things like 'Coming into the 
Presence of God' and preparatory exercises) and centres on a short scripture passage 
chosen for the day (so it's a little different every day). The Irish Jesuits have 
produced it to help computer users to get into a habit of daily prayer. They've had 
over a million visits. Have you seen it?


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[JOYnet] Birthday Notification !!!

2002-10-18 Thread listadm
Hi Friends

These are the birthday babies of the day (October 18).

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Wishing you a very happy birthday
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[JOYnet] THE YEAR OF HOLY ROSARY....

2002-10-18 Thread suma thomas
Pope  JOHN PAUL  II  has  proclaimed  the  year  that  goes  from  October2002  to  
October 2003  the  year  of  the  Rosary..

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[JOYnet] MASK

2002-10-18 Thread sajeev alex
Dear friends,

Do we use masks in our daily life, do we think how many of them we use. What 
make us to wear these masks?  The simple answer our sins.  The colour only 
varies according to the nature of our sins.

As we all know Only our Loving Lord is without mask, to avoid these false 
masks we the common people should keep praying for each other and ask our 
Loving Lord and Our Blessed Mother to hold and guide in eachevery step of 
us.

Sajeev
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[JOYnet] Let us give thanks to the Lord

2002-10-18 Thread Prejomy Jose
Often we are receiving a lot of prayer requests through this wonderful 
media. But are we as like as the healed 9 out of 10 lepers who forgot to 
give thanks to the healer?

The Thanks Giving letters to Joynet resembles the visit of MAVELI.

Certainly we are giving thanks to Jesus, the Holy Trinity and Mother Mary 
for their blessings. But if we share it through Joynet, the rest of the body 
(as we are the parts of the Christ's body) can also rejoice along with that 
particular part (person).

Also we all can humbly proud in Jesus that our prayers have been fulfilled. 
This will also help all to pray more zealously for others.

With love and prayers in Jesus,



Prejomy Jose
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Re: [JOYnet] Jacob's Ladder

2002-10-18 Thread suma thomas
  Inspiring
shall  i   add   somemore ...
A  man  of God  once dreamed   he  saw  a  ladder  streching  between heaven  and  
earth:God`s  angels  were  going  up  and down.
Who  r  God`s  angel  for  me?
Who   is  on  God`s ladder for  me?
The  child  with  the  smile  of the  innocent,
   the  bird singing  with all  its  heart,
  the friend  with  advice or  consolation,
  the spouse  and  the commitments and acts  of love; 
  the   people   i  meet   everydayso  on.
  `God`s ladder` is peopled and  crowded  with  people and  things that  lead  me  to  
God and  enlighten my faith.
  Also on  my `God`s ladder`-
 the  people  who hurt  me,
 those  who  cheated  me,
 illness  and sickness,
 fears  and  anxieties
allr  angels,messengers  of  God.
Prayeris  findingGod  all   the time...

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[JOYnet] Urgent - Please pray

2002-10-18 Thread jibesh paul
This is a request from England.

Please pray for a friend of mine as she and her husband are going
through a tough time.
She is pregnant for a couple of months now and
is suffering from continuous vomitting and she has
been weak and and was admitted in the hospital. But
there isn't much improvement so far. The doctor
suggested for an abortion now advising that it might
adverse her condition worse if she keeps the baby. But
she sticked to her faith saying 'No' to kill a life !!
But of course she has pressures from all sides and
also her health is deteriorating.

This is a big test in front them as a family! They are
going through a big trauma, psychologically and
spiritually.

You all can understand the importance of the
situation.

They really do need our prayers and let our prayers go
up high continuosly for this family and lets intercede
with our dear Mother Mary for that 'little life'..

Prayers
Jibesh/ UK


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[JOYnet] Poem of the Man God

2002-10-18 Thread Michelle Satur
Hi joynetters,
 this is with regard to the book Poem of the Man God, this book isn't approved by 
the Church because historically it isn't correct (some parts), one can visit 
www.catholic.org and search there, it was stated that the book is not approved byt 
Cardinal Ratzinger. for our own benefit one can read it i suppose, but let's not base 
all our faith on that book.
love and prayers,
michelle
 Ravi Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Joynetters, 
Here is Something i gleaned from the internet regarding the identity of Mary Magdalene.
A word of caution is rightly deserved here . 
I have observed that people are trying to figure out who the person is by reading the 
scriptures or by reading mystical books.
Please be warned that this is not the right thing to do. 
The Bible is not a History book or autobiography written as a word by word record of 
whatever jesus did. It is in fact a memoir (jottings from memory) as required by 
situations in the community of the sacred author 30 - 60 years after jesus rose from 
the dead. So please understand before you interpret or quote the scriptures in public, 
else u risk damaging the faith of many unknown people who read ur words.
Also I think we should not consider mystical writings as actual truth. they are finite 
dramatic expressions of gods love which is infinite and unexpressable .
There are many such mystical writings which are available namely  city of god which 
is totally devoted to the life of mary as in the mother of jesus.or perhaps the more 
recent one is the one written by Theresa konneruth the german mystic during world war 
II days which reflects on the birth of jesus.
The church has never accepted these as gospel truth (pun intended) and we shouldnt 
either, the church considers them good for private reading and personal growth, but 
doesnt base any documents or decisions on them .
Let us not try to add or subtract anything more to what god has revealed thru his 
word. We dont need to know what jesus did from 12-30 years, or any other things like 
marys childhood etc.this things are not critical truths on which our faith depends.
Let us understand the faith of the church and therefore our faith as a set of 
concentric circles. The Core circle or the inner most circle is the mystery of the 
Holy Trinity.around it are the primary truths we hold of of our salvation and then 
the secondary truths abt the church, mary,sacraments, sacramentals.etc
I am not grading the truths but just numbering them in terms of criticality.
here are the comments from the internet.
Largely due to the influence of Saint Gregory the Great's writings, the Western 
liturgies have identified her with the unnamed sinner (Luke 7:36ff; cf. Luke 8:2) and 
Mary of Bethany, the sister of SS. Lazarus and Martha (see John 11). There is also a 
third Mary, who came from Magdala on the western shore of the Sea of Galilee near 
Tiberias in Judea. This is the woman from whom Jesus had cast out seven devils (Mark 
16:9; Luke 8:2). She was one of the women present at Calvary and was the first to 
witness the Resurrection, which Jesus told her to announce to the disciples. 
In the opinion of the Eastern liturgists (and the venerable opinion of Saint Ambrose), 
there are three different people, and it certainly seems doubtful that Mary of Bethany 
and Mary the Sinner were the same person. 
Modern scholars do not believe they are the same woman because there is the question 
of the two different origins (Bethany and Magdala)
Nevertheless, the Eastern tradition of the repentant woman, Mary of Bethany, and Mary 
Magdalene being three different women has been adopted in the revised Roman calendar 
of 1969.

However, it is very probable that after the repentance of Mary the Sinner, she should 
have followed Jesus to the last and have been present at the Crucifixion. Such, at any 
rate, is the belief of the many faithful who have venerated her as the classic example 
of the repentant woman who was forgiven by Jesus and who thereafter followed and 
served him.



Love and Prayers

Ravi

dr.jomon wrote: peace be with you

have you read the book 'poem of GodMan' in malayalam 'dhaiva manushyante
sneha geetha' by maria valtholtha, a mystic.
according to me it is the best book i have ever read, this book
wiped away all my doubts about our Mother Mary. it starts from the birth of
Mary till Her asumption[?]

this book clearly proves that all the three Mary are same.
---Original Message---

From: Joseph lonth
Date: Friday, October 18, 2002 11:33:50 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: lyann dandge; Sanju Joseph
Subject: [JOYnet] Mary Magdalene misquoted

Dear Friends
Mary, sister of Martha and Lazarus, and Mary Magdalene are trade off quite
often by many preachers and teachers. It is not correct both are different
person.
Some times these two are also equated with the woman caught in adultery by
the Jews and brought before Jesus. This also is also wrong as there is no
major clue to arrive at such a conclusion.