Re: [jQuery] New Forums
From: brian zijn.digi...@gmail.com FWIW, I'm pretty sure the decision to drop Google Groups is due to John Ressig's account being spoofed by spammers. It's happened to me, also. That, too, is unacceptable. I vote for Mailman, or some other well-established list software. I won't register with zoho, either. ++ Octavian
Re: [jQuery] $get request
Your trying to to a cross-domain request which is not allowed. This may help http://james.padolsey.com/javascript/cross-domain-requests-with-jquery/ http://james.padolsey.com/javascript/cross-domain-requests-with-jquery/ -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/%24get-request-tp27266455s27240p27270528.html Sent from the jQuery General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
[jQuery] TableSorter + LightWindow problem
Hi 2ALL... I've a tablesorter with attached pager plugin on my page with links 'Details' in the one of the cell. Links have a class='lightwindow' and after clicking is rising up a LightWindow script with a window. So it work's vell on the First Page .. when i click Next Page on SortTable.Pager and clickin on my link 'Details' it's doesnt work correctly, it looks like my links lost their class='lightwindow'. Any suggestions?
[jQuery] Save all DOM changes
I have a small JQuery script where the user can modify the DOM according to its needs. Is there a way to save or get in a window.alert the modified css and DOM changes? Thank you
[jQuery] JQuery Reporting Tool
I need Jquery Reporting Tool. If there any can anyone send me that package?
Re: [jQuery] New Forums
Agreed. On 22 Jan 2010, at 00:38, Matt Quackenbush wrote: Well stated, Shawn. I wholeheartedly concur. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [jQuery] New Forums
+vote for Mailman. On 22 Jan 2010, at 08:41, Octavian Râşniţă wrote: From: brian zijn.digi...@gmail.com FWIW, I'm pretty sure the decision to drop Google Groups is due to John Ressig's account being spoofed by spammers. It's happened to me, also. That, too, is unacceptable. I vote for Mailman, or some other well-established list software. I won't register with zoho, either. ++ Octavian smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [jQuery] Abridged summary of jquery-en@googlegroups.com - 45 Messages in 23 Topics
Bonjour, je suis absent du 21 janvier au 8 février. En cas d'urgence veuillez téléphoner à l'agence au 04.92.45.18.05. Merci et à bientôt ! Thierry Raoux
[jQuery] Re: UI slider execute function on change or slide
I am using the ARIA Slider from
that would have been fantastic to have known *from the beginning*, I
thought you were using jQuery UI Slider, hence my reply 3 posts ago
with a link to the example, which explains now why you didn't read, or
seemingly even looked at...
whatever though, good luck fixing your issue
On Jan 21, 6:14 pm, Mircea i...@amsterdamsat.com wrote:
I am using the ARIA Slider
fromhttp://www.filamentgroup.com/lab/update_jquery_ui_slider_from_a_selec...
I will change the values to 10, 20, 30, 40...
When an user selects a value with the slider the font-size will
increase or decrease accordingly. I managed to get the current
selection of the slider in a variable, I want now to pass it to a CSS
function:
My variable is:
var setfontsize = $('#sizer :selected').text();
the css function is
$('.cica').css(font-size, setfontsize + px);
In the original ARIA Slider I had changed #speed with #sizer.
Thanx for your help!
Re: [jQuery] New Forums
On Jan 21, 2010, at 8:11 PM, brian wrote: FWIW, I'm pretty sure the decision to drop Google Groups is due to John Ressig's account being spoofed by spammers. No, that's not it. Okay, maybe it was one of the last straws, but we've been talking about moving to a forum for a couple years now. If you want to know what factors were involved in the decision, please read http://jquery14.com/day-07/new-jquery-forum/ To be honest, I've never been a fan of forums, either. But after spending some time in the jQuery forum, I'm starting to appreciate its advantages over a plain mailing list. I wish there were a solution out there that is ideal for everyone. Unfortunately, though, every solution comes with its own set of compromises. --Karl Karl Swedberg www.englishrules.com www.learningjquery.com
[jQuery] jQuery pagerAnchorBuilder countSlide
Hello,
how do I get the total amount of slides within cycle pagerAnchorBuilder
function ??
To generate a navigation within jQuery cycle I use the function
pagerAnchorBuilder.
This works fine.
Now I want to separate the navigation anchors with a vertical line in
between.
I do this with a css border-right on nav.a
The last anchor should have no right border!
So I want to give this specific last anchor a class noborder.
I get the total amount of slides within cycle pagerAnchorBuilder function ??
var index=0;
var imgTitles = new Array(###ARRAY_TITLE###);
var imgCredits = new Array(###ARRAY_DESCRIPTION###);
var imgLinks = new Array(###ARRAY_LINK###);
var idx=0;
function goto(id) {
index = id;
document.getElementById('img_title').innerHTML = imgTitles[index];
document.getElementById('img_credits').innerHTML = imgCredits[index];
document.getElementById(img_link).href = imgLinks[index];
}
function onBefore(curr, next, opts) {
setTimeout(function() {
id = opts.currSlide;
goto(id);
}, 10);
}
$(function() {
$('#slideimage')
.before('div id=nav')
.cycle({
fx: 'fade',
speed: 2000,
timeout: 1,
pager: '#nav',
// callback fn that creates a thumbnail to use as pager anchor
pagerAnchorBuilder: function(idx, slide) {
var counter = idx+1;
// Here I need the total amount of slides
var totalslide = ???;
if(counter totalslide) {
return ' ' + counter + ' ';
} else {
return ' ' + counter + ' ';
}
},
before: onBefore
});
});
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Re: [jQuery] New Forums
From: Karl Swedberg k...@englishrules.com On Jan 21, 2010, at 8:11 PM, brian wrote: FWIW, I'm pretty sure the decision to drop Google Groups is due to John Ressig's account being spoofed by spammers. No, that's not it. Okay, maybe it was one of the last straws, but we've been talking about moving to a forum for a couple years now. If you want to know what factors were involved in the decision, please read http://jquery14.com/day-07/new-jquery-forum/ I read that: Additionally, we wanted something that lowered the barrier to asking a question - something that anyone would be able to use Well, for some categories of users, the movement to a forum has done exactly the reverse, because a forum is much less accessible than a mailing list for screen reader users for example, but for other categories of users also. For example, if a user uses a good mail client, he or she could configure it so all the messages from the list to go to a specific folder, the messages that contain some words in the subjects or in the body to go to another special folder as they arrive, the messages are automaticly grouped by conversation, and they can easier be all saved locally or all deleted (or individually). The best solution from the perspective of the users would be to have a mailing list system that can also offer and present the messages on the web, but this would involve more work for JQuery developers, and it seems that this idea is the best, but there is nobody willing to help doing and administering it. So the JQuery developers have chosen to use a forum which is administered by somebody else. That's very OK, but I think at least the JQuery mailing lists should not be disabled, while there still are users that prefer using them. To be honest, I've never been a fan of forums, either. But after spending some time in the jQuery forum, I'm starting to appreciate its advantages over a plain mailing list. Can you please tell us which are those advantages? (in general, not only regarding JQuery forum.) Thanks. Octavian
RE: [jQuery] New Forums
But isn't it possible to have our cake and eat it, too in this situation? I'm a member of the CF-Talk (ColdFusion) group and we use both a mailing list and an online system. (I'm hesitant to call the online system a forum because it may not fit the accepted definition of a forum). However, people can go online and use the system for reading the mail and search the archives, or they can just use their email for the same messages, as I do. The main difference between the two, I think, is that House of Fusion runs their own servers and software, whereas, it looks like John is outsourcing that work, which is understandable. But there out to be a solution that provides both forum and email solutions simultaneously. Surely, if someone chooses it, there is an option to send all messages to someone's email address and not just messages from particular threads. Perhaps John, et al, should go over to www.HouseOfFusion.com and see how it's being doing there and discuss this issue with those that control the CF-Talk list, as well as the other lists that are present, such as CF-Newbie. (I've always thought and have suggested that a jQuery-Newbie list would be of great benefit to the jQuery community to separate the beginner questions from the advanced side of things. I just know, that as busy as I am, I won't have time or the desire to visit a forum constantly and check what people are posting. I do read people's posts and even if I don't know the answer, I read responses to learn and help when I can. I have to be in my email constantly for client communications and taking the jQuery list out of my central area of communications (email) is going to kill my participation in the jQuery list, unfortunately. Rick From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:jquery...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karl Swedberg Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:30 AM To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [jQuery] New Forums On Jan 21, 2010, at 8:11 PM, brian wrote: FWIW, I'm pretty sure the decision to drop Google Groups is due to John Ressig's account being spoofed by spammers. No, that's not it. Okay, maybe it was one of the last straws, but we've been talking about moving to a forum for a couple years now. If you want to know what factors were involved in the decision, please read http://jquery14.com/day-07/new-jquery-forum/ To be honest, I've never been a fan of forums, either. But after spending some time in the jQuery forum, I'm starting to appreciate its advantages over a plain mailing list. I wish there were a solution out there that is ideal for everyone. Unfortunately, though, every solution comes with its own set of compromises. --Karl Karl Swedberg www.englishrules.com www.learningjquery.com
Re: [jQuery] New Forums
Same here. I read the emails daily. A forum that emails as well, is a better option. Hell, I¹d even be willing to setup something on my colo if it would help out. John would have all the control he needs. Thanks Steffan --- T E L 6 0 2 . 7 9 3 . 0 0 1 4 | F A X 6 0 2 . 9 7 1 . 1 6 9 4 Steffan A. Cline stef...@execuchoice.net Phoenix, Az http://www.ExecuChoice.net USA AIM : SteffanC ICQ : 57234309 YAHOO : Steffan_Cline MSN : stef...@hldns.com GOOGLE: Steffan.Cline Lasso Partner Alliance Member --- From: Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com Organization: White Stone Media Reply-To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:31:38 -0500 To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [jQuery] New Forums But isn¹t it possible to ³have our cake and eat it, too² in this situation? I¹m a member of the CF-Talk (ColdFusion) group and we use both a mailing list and an online system. (I¹m hesitant to call the online system a ³forum² because it may not fit the accepted definition of a forum). However, people can go online and use the system for reading the mail and search the archives, or they can just use their email for the same messages, as I do. The main difference between the two, I think, is that House of Fusion runs their own servers and software, whereas, it looks like John is outsourcing that work, which is understandable. But there out to be a solution that provides both forum and email solutions simultaneously. Surely, if someone chooses it, there is an option to send all messages to someone¹s email address and not just messages from particular threads. Perhaps John, et al, should go over to www.HouseOfFusion.com http://www.HouseOfFusion.com and see how it¹s being doing there and discuss this issue with those that control the CF-Talk list, as well as the other lists that are present, such as CF-Newbie. (I¹ve always thought and have suggested that a jQuery-Newbie list would be of great benefit to the jQuery community to separate the beginner questions from the advanced side of things. I just know, that as busy as I am, I won¹t have time or the desire to visit a forum constantly and check what people are posting. I do read people¹s posts and even if I don¹t know the answer, I read responses to learn and help when I can. I have to be in my email constantly for client communications and taking the jQuery list out of my central area of communications (email) is going to kill my participation in the jQuery list, unfortunately. Rick From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:jquery...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karl Swedberg Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:30 AM To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [jQuery] New Forums On Jan 21, 2010, at 8:11 PM, brian wrote: FWIW, I'm pretty sure the decision to drop Google Groups is due to John Ressig's account being spoofed by spammers. No, that's not it. Okay, maybe it was one of the last straws, but we've been talking about moving to a forum for a couple years now. If you want to know what factors were involved in the decision, please read http://jquery14.com/day-07/new-jquery-forum/ To be honest, I've never been a fan of forums, either. But after spending some time in the jQuery forum, I'm starting to appreciate its advantages over a plain mailing list. I wish there were a solution out there that is ideal for everyone. Unfortunately, though, every solution comes with its own set of compromises. --Karl Karl Swedberg www.englishrules.com http://www.englishrules.com www.learningjquery.com http://www.learningjquery.com
Re: [jQuery] New Forums
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Octavian Rasnita orasn...@gmail.comwrote: From: Karl Swedberg k...@englishrules.com On Jan 21, 2010, at 8:11 PM, brian wrote: FWIW, I'm pretty sure the decision to drop Google Groups is due to John Ressig's account being spoofed by spammers. No, that's not it. Okay, maybe it was one of the last straws, but we've been talking about moving to a forum for a couple years now. If you want to know what factors were involved in the decision, please read http://jquery14.com/day-07/new-jquery-forum/ I read that: Additionally, we wanted something that lowered the barrier to asking a question - something that anyone would be able to use Well, for some categories of users, the movement to a forum has done exactly the reverse, because a forum is much less accessible than a mailing list for screen reader users for example, but for other categories of users also. For example, if a user uses a good mail client, he or she could configure it so all the messages from the list to go to a specific folder, the messages that contain some words in the subjects or in the body to go to another special folder as they arrive, the messages are automaticly grouped by conversation, and they can easier be all saved locally or all deleted (or individually). And if a user has a good rss reader they can do the same with a forum. Also, using rss2email services, they could have the best of both worlds. The best solution from the perspective of the users would be to have a mailing list system that can also offer and present the messages on the web, but this would involve more work for JQuery developers, and it seems that this idea is the best, but there is nobody willing to help doing and administering it. So the JQuery developers have chosen to use a forum which is administered by somebody else. That's very OK, but I think at least the JQuery mailing lists should not be disabled, while there still are users that prefer using them. I don't know that they will be disabled, but if not they will be completely unmoderated. This means way more spam than before. In addition, many active contributors, including jQuery team members, have moved over to the forum, so there will be a lot less traffic on the mailing lists. People may still find help and answers, but it won't be the official forum. Just as before when the mailing list was the official forum, people found answers elsewhere. To be honest, I've never been a fan of forums, either. But after spending some time in the jQuery forum, I'm starting to appreciate its advantages over a plain mailing list. Can you please tell us which are those advantages? (in general, not only regarding JQuery forum.) *Tags* I tag and filter emails, and it's been really nice. But it's always bothered me that all the tagging and filtering I do has to be duplicated by everyone else consuming the same content. Using tags on the website forum, all this metadata can be shared. *Types* On the forum, there are 5 type of threads: Discussions, Questions, Ideas, Problems, and Announcements. These can be selected by the OP and corrected be a moderator, and searched and filtered on. Another piece of shared metadata. *Categories* Before we had 5 or 6 mailing lists for different sub-topics. Many times a day as a moderator, I would have to kindly ask someone to move a discussion to the correct forum, to keep noise down, to keep the list on-topic, and to ensure people saw the question and the answer in the right place, whether via email or web archive. This was not only a real pain, but it's not that much fun for anyone involved, especially new users that may not have a clue that there's more than one list, or which list to post to: jquery-en, jquery-dev, jquery-ui, jquery-ui-dev, jquery-a11y, etc. On the new website forum, not only is it easier to see which top-level forum topics are available for posting, but if something is posted in the wrong forum, a moderator can simply select 'Move this topic' and then select the correct sub-forum. That immediately reflects in any sorting, filtering, or categorization anyone does. Another piece of shared metadata. *Status* In addition to being able to tag, type, and categorize each thread, a moderator and/or the OP can set the status of a thread. The OP can select an answer as the best, meaning future visitors can read 2 messages instead of 20. Moderators can set the status as 'more info needed', closed, answered, open, in-progress, etc. All these statuses can be used in sorting and filtering. Another piece of shared metadata. Noticing a trend? *Moderation edit controls* Posts can be edited. This isn't possible with email, since the message was already sent. And the web archive stores only the original message. This needs to be used judiciously, but can be great for fixing typographical errors, adding some important keywords to a thread topic, fixing some formatting, etc. *Permalinks* Have
Re: [jQuery] New Forums
Want mailing list back ;( - Original Message - From: Richard D. Worth To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [jQuery] New Forums On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Octavian Rasnita orasn...@gmail.com wrote: From: Karl Swedberg k...@englishrules.com On Jan 21, 2010, at 8:11 PM, brian wrote: FWIW, I'm pretty sure the decision to drop Google Groups is due to John Ressig's account being spoofed by spammers. No, that's not it. Okay, maybe it was one of the last straws, but we've been talking about moving to a forum for a couple years now. If you want to know what factors were involved in the decision, please read http://jquery14.com/day-07/new-jquery-forum/ I read that: Additionally, we wanted something that lowered the barrier to asking a question - something that anyone would be able to use Well, for some categories of users, the movement to a forum has done exactly the reverse, because a forum is much less accessible than a mailing list for screen reader users for example, but for other categories of users also. For example, if a user uses a good mail client, he or she could configure it so all the messages from the list to go to a specific folder, the messages that contain some words in the subjects or in the body to go to another special folder as they arrive, the messages are automaticly grouped by conversation, and they can easier be all saved locally or all deleted (or individually). And if a user has a good rss reader they can do the same with a forum. Also, using rss2email services, they could have the best of both worlds. The best solution from the perspective of the users would be to have a mailing list system that can also offer and present the messages on the web, but this would involve more work for JQuery developers, and it seems that this idea is the best, but there is nobody willing to help doing and administering it. So the JQuery developers have chosen to use a forum which is administered by somebody else. That's very OK, but I think at least the JQuery mailing lists should not be disabled, while there still are users that prefer using them. I don't know that they will be disabled, but if not they will be completely unmoderated. This means way more spam than before. In addition, many active contributors, including jQuery team members, have moved over to the forum, so there will be a lot less traffic on the mailing lists. People may still find help and answers, but it won't be the official forum. Just as before when the mailing list was the official forum, people found answers elsewhere. To be honest, I've never been a fan of forums, either. But after spending some time in the jQuery forum, I'm starting to appreciate its advantages over a plain mailing list. Can you please tell us which are those advantages? (in general, not only regarding JQuery forum.) Tags I tag and filter emails, and it's been really nice. But it's always bothered me that all the tagging and filtering I do has to be duplicated by everyone else consuming the same content. Using tags on the website forum, all this metadata can be shared. Types On the forum, there are 5 type of threads: Discussions, Questions, Ideas, Problems, and Announcements. These can be selected by the OP and corrected be a moderator, and searched and filtered on. Another piece of shared metadata. Categories Before we had 5 or 6 mailing lists for different sub-topics. Many times a day as a moderator, I would have to kindly ask someone to move a discussion to the correct forum, to keep noise down, to keep the list on-topic, and to ensure people saw the question and the answer in the right place, whether via email or web archive. This was not only a real pain, but it's not that much fun for anyone involved, especially new users that may not have a clue that there's more than one list, or which list to post to: jquery-en, jquery-dev, jquery-ui, jquery-ui-dev, jquery-a11y, etc. On the new website forum, not only is it easier to see which top-level forum topics are available for posting, but if something is posted in the wrong forum, a moderator can simply select 'Move this topic' and then select the correct sub-forum. That immediately reflects in any sorting, filtering, or categorization anyone does. Another piece of shared metadata. Status In addition to being able to tag, type, and categorize each thread, a moderator and/or the OP can set the status of a thread. The OP can select an answer as the best, meaning future visitors can read 2 messages instead of 20. Moderators can set the status as 'more info needed', closed, answered, open, in-progress, etc. All these statuses can be used in sorting and filtering. Another piece of shared metadata. Noticing a trend? Moderation edit
[jQuery] Re: jquery 1.4 and jqueryui tabs with ajax load
Same here ! seems to be a bug or a breaking change in JQuery 1.4 When I switch back to JQuery 1.3.x it works again. On 20 jan, 03:23, MrEcho mre...@gmail.com wrote: Yes im having the very same issue. No idea how to fix it. On Jan 18, 2:59 am, Joris D'Huys jdh...@gmail.com wrote: I've upgraded to jquery 1.4 and my tabs with ajax load no longer work. uncaught exception: jQuery UI Tabs: Mismatching fragment identifier. When I use the previous jquery version, everything works fine. Any idea on how to solve this? Thanks
Re: [jQuery] need help with simple jQuery problem
Hi Rory,
I will try to give you a detailed explanation.
The file expand.js contains two scripts: the expandAll() plug-in and the
small toggler() plug-in.
1.) expandAll()
- generates the switch 'Expand All/Collapse All' (or, in your case, 'go
ahead.../ ...go back');
- when the 'switch' is clicked, the plug-in toggles the visibility of the
matched elements;
- when the 'switch' is clicked, the strings 'Expand All' / 'Collapse All'
(or 'go ahead... ' / ' ...go back') are swapped;
- if the HTML code consists of pairs of triggers and collapsible sections,
the plug-in toggles the class of the trigger elements. Your code does not
contain such pairs. You have only the generated 'switch', and one
collapsible section.
2.) toggler()
- this script is needed if the HTML code consists of pairs of triggers and
collapsible sections, e.g.,
div class=container
h4 class=expandTitle 1/h4
div class=collapse.../div
h4 class=expandTitle 2/h4
div class=collapse.../div
/div
As I said above, your page does not contain such a structure.
So, you need only the expandAll() plug-in.
In your HTML code, you call the plug-ins expandAll() and toggler() with the
following chunk of code:
$(function() {
$(#outer).expandAll({trigger: span.expand, ref: div.demo});
$(#outer div.demo span.expand).toggler({method: toggle, speed :
1});
});
All you need is expandAll().
When you call the plug-in, you'll want to change some of the default options
because you want a 'slide' effect with duration 'slow', i.e., 600
milliseconds.
Replace the above code with this:
$(function() {
$(#outer).expandAll({
ref: div.demo,
showMethod: slideDown,
hideMethod: slideUp,
speed: 600
});
});
That's all.
Please, let me know if this explanation is clear enough.
Regards,
Adriana
Rory Bernstein wrote:
Hi Adriana,
Adriana, I am honored that you wrote in to help me; it is, or course,
your script I am trying to work with.
I do not understand what you are asking me to do; can you please give
more info/context? Are you saying that I am missing the lines of code
you put in your response? If so, where do I put the code?
I am truly a novice, as you see.
Thank you so much,
Rory
On Jan 20, 9:36 am, Adriana P adipa...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi Rory,
You need only the expandAll() plug-in:
$(function() {
$(#outer).expandAll({trigger: span.expand, ref: div.demo,
showMethod: slideDown, hideMethod: slideUp, speed: 600});
});
Regards,
Adriana
Rory Bernstein wrote:
Hello,
I am a total jQuery novice, and I tried to use jQuery for a project
but I'm having trouble.
http://www.rorybernstein.com/stage/index2.html
When you click the blue go ahead link, it expands the hidden div,
revealing content. I want the effect to be a slide effect, as on
this sample page:
http://adipalaz.awardspace.com/experiments/jquery/expand.html
From these various examples, I want the slideToggle effect -
slideToggle (slow), as shown in section 2 of the above link.
I cannot figure out what is wrong; my toggle link does work (it
expands the hidden div), but I do not know how to get it to slide at
the speed shown in the sample.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Rory
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Re: [jQuery] jquery 1.4 and jqueryui tabs with ajax load
See http://forum.jquery.com/topic/jquery-1-4-upgrade-issues#1473700636757 - Richard On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 5:59 AM, Joris D'Huys jdh...@gmail.com wrote: I've upgraded to jquery 1.4 and my tabs with ajax load no longer work. uncaught exception: jQuery UI Tabs: Mismatching fragment identifier. When I use the previous jquery version, everything works fine. Any idea on how to solve this? Thanks
[jQuery] Re: New Forums
To add to Richard's list * Ability to post code without having Google Groups code f_ck it up* I'm not sure why people are voting and all that, it's done, it's decided, it's time to get with the program Besides, as Richard pointed out, the mailing list right here will still exist, it just won't be moderated/managed by the people it was before.. and Karl put it best: they can't please everyone. there's a LOT of topics from over the past two years on this very mailing list crying out for a forum instead of the mailing list. Damned if you do damned if you don't On Jan 22, 11:31 am, Richard D. Worth rdwo...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Octavian Rasnita orasn...@gmail.comwrote: From: Karl Swedberg k...@englishrules.com On Jan 21, 2010, at 8:11 PM, brian wrote: FWIW, I'm pretty sure the decision to drop Google Groups is due to John Ressig's account being spoofed by spammers. No, that's not it. Okay, maybe it was one of the last straws, but we've been talking about moving to a forum for a couple years now. If you want to know what factors were involved in the decision, please read http://jquery14.com/day-07/new-jquery-forum/ I read that: Additionally, we wanted something that lowered the barrier to asking a question - something that anyone would be able to use Well, for some categories of users, the movement to a forum has done exactly the reverse, because a forum is much less accessible than a mailing list for screen reader users for example, but for other categories of users also. For example, if a user uses a good mail client, he or she could configure it so all the messages from the list to go to a specific folder, the messages that contain some words in the subjects or in the body to go to another special folder as they arrive, the messages are automaticly grouped by conversation, and they can easier be all saved locally or all deleted (or individually). And if a user has a good rss reader they can do the same with a forum. Also, using rss2email services, they could have the best of both worlds. The best solution from the perspective of the users would be to have a mailing list system that can also offer and present the messages on the web, but this would involve more work for JQuery developers, and it seems that this idea is the best, but there is nobody willing to help doing and administering it. So the JQuery developers have chosen to use a forum which is administered by somebody else. That's very OK, but I think at least the JQuery mailing lists should not be disabled, while there still are users that prefer using them. I don't know that they will be disabled, but if not they will be completely unmoderated. This means way more spam than before. In addition, many active contributors, including jQuery team members, have moved over to the forum, so there will be a lot less traffic on the mailing lists. People may still find help and answers, but it won't be the official forum. Just as before when the mailing list was the official forum, people found answers elsewhere. To be honest, I've never been a fan of forums, either. But after spending some time in the jQuery forum, I'm starting to appreciate its advantages over a plain mailing list. Can you please tell us which are those advantages? (in general, not only regarding JQuery forum.) *Tags* I tag and filter emails, and it's been really nice. But it's always bothered me that all the tagging and filtering I do has to be duplicated by everyone else consuming the same content. Using tags on the website forum, all this metadata can be shared. *Types* On the forum, there are 5 type of threads: Discussions, Questions, Ideas, Problems, and Announcements. These can be selected by the OP and corrected be a moderator, and searched and filtered on. Another piece of shared metadata. *Categories* Before we had 5 or 6 mailing lists for different sub-topics. Many times a day as a moderator, I would have to kindly ask someone to move a discussion to the correct forum, to keep noise down, to keep the list on-topic, and to ensure people saw the question and the answer in the right place, whether via email or web archive. This was not only a real pain, but it's not that much fun for anyone involved, especially new users that may not have a clue that there's more than one list, or which list to post to: jquery-en, jquery-dev, jquery-ui, jquery-ui-dev, jquery-a11y, etc. On the new website forum, not only is it easier to see which top-level forum topics are available for posting, but if something is posted in the wrong forum, a moderator can simply select 'Move this topic' and then select the correct sub-forum. That immediately reflects in any sorting, filtering, or categorization anyone does. Another piece of shared metadata. *Status* In addition to being able to tag, type, and categorize each thread,
Re: [jQuery] New Forums
From: Richard D. Worth rdwo...@gmail.com On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Octavian Rasnita orasn...@gmail.comwrote: For example, if a user uses a good mail client, he or she could configure it so all the messages from the list to go to a specific folder, the messages that contain some words in the subjects or in the body to go to another special folder as they arrive, the messages are automaticly grouped by conversation, and they can easier be all saved locally or all deleted (or individually). And if a user has a good rss reader they can do the same with a forum. Also, There are no good RSS readers. (that work with a screen reader as well as a mail client). using rss2email services, they could have the best of both worlds. I don't know any RSS2email service, but I don't think it offers the same features like a mailing list, because the user that reads messages can't reply to a message they receive. I don't know that they will be disabled, but if not they will be completely unmoderated. This means way more spam than before. In addition, many active contributors, including jQuery team members, have moved over to the forum, so there will be a lot less traffic on the mailing lists. People may still find help and answers, but it won't be the official forum. Just as before when the mailing list was the official forum, people found answers elsewhere. That's OK. Much better than no mailing list at all. *Tags* I tag and filter emails, and it's been really nice. But it's always bothered me that all the tagging and filtering I do has to be duplicated by everyone else consuming the same content. Using tags on the website forum, all this metadata can be shared. Most mailing list users just read the messages and post a question when they want an answer for a specific question. For that type of users the tags are useless. *Types* On the forum, there are 5 type of threads: Discussions, Questions, Ideas, Problems, and Announcements. These can be selected by the OP and corrected be a moderator, and searched and filtered on. Another piece of shared metadata. I find much easier to use a Find in Outlook Express in the saved messages or even in Deleted items where I have tens of thousand messages, and the results are much more accessible, presented in a standard list that can be navigated easier than a web page. *Categories* Before we had 5 or 6 mailing lists for different sub-topics. Many times a day as a moderator, I would have to kindly ask someone to move a discussion to the correct forum, to keep noise down, to keep the list on-topic, and to ensure people saw the question and the answer in the right place, whether via email or web archive. This was not only a real pain, but it's not that much fun for anyone involved, especially new users that may not have a clue that there's more than one list, or which list to post to: jquery-en, jquery-dev, jquery-ui, jquery-ui-dev, jquery-a11y, etc. On the new website forum, not only is it easier to see which top-level forum topics are available for posting, but if something is posted in the wrong forum, a moderator can simply select 'Move this topic' and then select the correct sub-forum. That immediately reflects in any sorting, filtering, or categorization anyone does. Another piece of shared metadata. I understand you, but don't present this as an advantage, because it is an advantage for just a few people, the most helpful people from the list, but with a zero importance for the tens of thousand list members. *Status* In addition to being able to tag, type, and categorize each thread, a moderator and/or the OP can set the status of a thread. The OP can select an answer as the best, meaning future visitors can read 2 messages instead of 20. Moderators can set the status as 'more info needed', closed, answered, open, in-progress, etc. All these statuses can be used in sorting and filtering. Another piece of shared metadata. Like in Wikipedia's case, I never search with Wikipedia's search engine, but I use Google. If I want to find something regarding JQuery, I will also use Google, and not just a certain forum. So this feature has a very low importance. If the web would be as accessible as a desktop app, I would probably search on a single forum, but it isn't. Noticing a trend? *Moderation edit controls* Posts can be edited. This isn't possible with email, since the message was already sent. And the web archive stores only the original message. This needs to be used judiciously, but can be great for fixing typographical errors, adding some important keywords to a thread topic, fixing some formatting, etc. This is not important. I prefer to find something as fast as possible, even if it contain typographical errors But I don't find it important probably because I am not a moderator, just like the case of almost all the list members. *Permalinks* Have you ever tried to email someone a google groups mailing
Re: [jQuery] New Forums
On Jan 22, 2010, at 12:54 PM, Octavian Rasnita wrote: With the web-based forum, while on the thread you want to email or link to 1. Click 'Permalink' I can't click because I can't use a mouse. I need to press probably tens of tab keys until I find that link, and if I type too fast I might skip it and need to tab over the same links for more times. And after I press enter on that link I would need to jump over more other page parts until I reach to the real body of the message. While most of the other complaints in this thread seem to be based on personal preference, this one is a serious issue. We have raised the issue of keyboard accessibility with the Zoho team, and they're working to ameliorate it. Oh yes it is, because a web page doesn't offer the same accessibility features for a screen reader as a desktop app does. And unfortunately most RSS readers also use a web format, so they are not better accessible at all. There are plenty of desktop RSS readers available for PC and Mac. --Karl
Re: [jQuery] New Forums
From: Karl Swedberg k...@englishrules.com On Jan 22, 2010, at 12:54 PM, Octavian Rasnita wrote: With the web-based forum, while on the thread you want to email or link to 1. Click 'Permalink' I can't click because I can't use a mouse. I need to press probably tens of tab keys until I find that link, and if I type too fast I might skip it and need to tab over the same links for more times. And after I press enter on that link I would need to jump over more other page parts until I reach to the real body of the message. While most of the other complaints in this thread seem to be based on personal preference, this one is a serious issue. We have raised the issue of keyboard accessibility with the Zoho team, and they're working to ameliorate it. Not only some, but all I said are based on personal preferences, because if I wouldn't prefer that way, I wouldn't tell you about it. :-) I didn't even tested too much the new forum, because no matter how accessible would be a web page, it would be always less accessible and usable than a good desktop app, so the usability is the one that matters, not only accessibility. As an example, for moving to the next unread message in Outlook Express, I just need to press a single hotkey (Ctrl+U). If I want to delete that message (or thread, because it can cover a whole discussion), I just need to press a single Del key. If the same things can be done at least as easy as this, I would instantly start to like the forums. Oh yes it is, because a web page doesn't offer the same accessibility features for a screen reader as a desktop app does. And unfortunately most RSS readers also use a web format, so they are not better accessible at all. There are plenty of desktop RSS readers available for PC and Mac. I know, but most of them use an internal window that uses HTML, because most RSS content includes HTML code, so it is the same thing, or even worse, because at least Internet Explorer and Firefox have some scripts for the screen reader that make them more accessible, but those RSS reader don't have such a thing. I haven't tested all RSS readers ever made, but not all the desktop apps are accessible for screen readers. For example the TK/GTK interfaces are not accessible at all (under Windows), The Java SWING-based interfaces are very hard accessible and slow responsive with JAWS (the screen reader I use), the QT interfaces are also not accessible at all... even the DotNet (Windows Forms) have accessibility issues. If it would be easier to use a forum, I would gladly start using one. Octavian
Re: [jQuery] Re: New Forums
From: MorningZ morni...@gmail.com Besides, as Richard pointed out, the mailing list right here will still exist, it just won't be moderated/managed by the people it was before.. That would be good, because at least for a period there would still be an accessible source of information for JQuery. Octavian
Re: [jQuery] Re: New Forums
Silly thought: What if the forums were 'published' to the mailing list, and the mailing list were made read-only? That is, every time a post is published on the forum, it is automatically sent to the mailing list. Then, in the footer of the message is a link to reply to the post, which when clicked takes you to the forum in such a way that the user can immediately reply to that post. The mailing list could be set up so that nobody except the forum 'bot' could post to it, which would make spam go away. People that have accessibility issues or just prefer to get their information via their email client could continue to read things that way. And you would have all of the benefits of the forum. Best of both worlds. Make everybody happy. I know it would make me happier. On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Octavian Rasnita orasn...@gmail.comwrote: From: MorningZ morni...@gmail.com Besides, as Richard pointed out, the mailing list right here will still exist, it just won't be moderated/managed by the people it was before.. That would be good, because at least for a period there would still be an accessible source of information for JQuery. Octavian -- John Arrowwood John (at) Irie (dash) Inc (dot) com John (at) Arrowwood Photography (dot) com John (at) Hanlons Razor (dot) com -- http://www.irie-inc.com/ http://arrowwood.blogspot.com/
Re: [jQuery] Re: New Forums
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 3:13 PM, John Arrowwood jarro...@gmail.com wrote: What if the forums were 'published' to the mailing list, and the mailing ... The mailing list could be set up so that nobody except the forum 'bot' could post to it, which would make spam go away. People that have accessibility issues or just prefer to get their information via their email client could continue to read things that way. And you would have all of the benefits of the forum. Oo! Man with a plan.
Re: [jQuery] Re: New Forums
Do not close the email list Do not close the email list Do not close the email list Do not close the email list Do not close the email list - Original Message - From: Nathan Klatt n8kl...@gmail.com To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [jQuery] Re: New Forums On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 3:13 PM, John Arrowwood jarro...@gmail.com wrote: What if the forums were 'published' to the mailing list, and the mailing ... The mailing list could be set up so that nobody except the forum 'bot' could post to it, which would make spam go away. People that have accessibility issues or just prefer to get their information via their email client could continue to read things that way. And you would have all of the benefits of the forum. Oo! Man with a plan.
[jQuery] jQuery and div/iframe/pane content replace
Hi everyone, I'm using jQuery to power all the nice animation effects and such. But I'm also using it to make my DOM life easier too. With that, here's what I want to do: When you click on a link (in this case, an a), the div to its right is replaced with new content. I tried to do this earlier with an iframe but I think it's overkill for what I want. I'm working on this page to get a non-flash version running because of SEO compliance: http://www.theportalgrp.com. So, for example, clicking on services will bring up the services div on the right. Would using jQuery objects that contain the divs be better, and then do a content replace? And I don't know if .toggle() is better, or .click() or which function to do what I want. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Eugene
Re: [jQuery] jQuery and div/iframe/pane content replace
You could probably come up with a dozen ways of doing it. You could have
different divs all loaded but hidden, then hide and show them as needed,
which would be a very different animation than you have now. Or you could
use ajax to load the different DIV contents (which might be nice for site
organization) and then either load them into the hidden divs or just store
them in variables for swapping in and out.
If you need fancy animations, you are going to want to do something like
hide (or fade out) the old div, and then have some custom animation that
causes the new div to appear in the way you want it to appear.
If you are aiming for search engine optimization, you probably don't want to
rely on AJAX to load the content. You probably want to just have three (or
more) divs that start hidden. Each has a unique ID. You could even store a
reference to a unique 'animateShow' function attached to each div.
a class=leftMenu target=oneOne/a
a class=leftMenu target=twoTwo/a
a class=leftMenu target=threeThree/a
...
div class=content hidden id=oneOne's content/div
div class=content hidden id=twoTwo's content/div
div class=content hidden id=threeThree's content/div
Assuming each div needs a custom 'show' animation, you could do this:
$('#one').data('animateShow',showOne);
$('#two').data('animateShow',showTwo);
$('#three').data('animateShow',showThree);
Then to hook it all up:
var activeContent = 'one';
$('a.leftMenu').click(function(ev){
var targetId = $(ev.target).attr('target');
if ( targetId != activeContent ) {
var targetDiv = $('#'+targetId)[0];
if ( targetDiv != null ) {
$('#' + activeContent ).fadeOut('fast');
var animation = $(targetDiv).data('animateShow');
if ( animation ) animation( targetDiv )
else $(targetDiv).fadeIn('fast');
activeContent = targetId;
}
}
return false;
});
Hope that gets you down the road towards where you want to be.
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Eugene Hourany ehour...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi everyone,
I'm using jQuery to power all the nice animation effects and such. But I'm
also using it to make my DOM life easier too.
With that, here's what I want to do:
When you click on a link (in this case, an a), the div to its right is
replaced with new content. I tried to do this earlier with an iframe but I
think it's overkill for what I want.
I'm working on this page to get a non-flash version running because of
SEO compliance: http://www.theportalgrp.com. So, for example, clicking on
services will bring up the services div on the right. Would using jQuery
objects that contain the divs be better, and then do a content replace?
And I don't know if .toggle() is better, or .click() or which function to
do what I want.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Eugene
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John (at) Irie (dash) Inc (dot) com
John (at) Arrowwood Photography (dot) com
John (at) Hanlons Razor (dot) com
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http://arrowwood.blogspot.com/
[jQuery] This code is too complex for a noob, can someone break this down.
I'm fairly good at VB and know how to call a function and what a GET
statement is, but I'm having trouble with the following. Can someone break
it down?
javascript:void(0); } ,function(data){ $(#approve? echo $rrows['id'];
?).html(data); });' ? });'Approve
The do.php is a query that updates a database and sets an Approve column to
'1'.
Mucho thanks for any help!
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Re: [jQuery] This code is too complex for a noob, can someone break this down.
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Bugman1400
trae.be...@coachmanridge.com wrote:
javascript:void(0); } ,function(data){ $(#approve? echo $rrows['id'];
?).html(data); });' ? });'Approve
The do.php is a query that updates a database and sets an Approve column to
'1'.
More context plz, that fragment makes no sense.
Re: [jQuery] Re: New Forums
And if you were using a screen reader, and had need to post a question to the mailing list? Then you'd still need to deal with the web page/forums. Your solution is a good step in the right direction, but does not solve the problems. I've looked into integrating a forum and mailing list in the past. Unless something has changed in the past couple of years, there is no good solution. What is needed is a way to keep a mailing list and forum in sync. Messages sent to the mailing list are automagically posted in the forums, with the conversation threads being maintained. Messages posted to the forums are automagically posted to the mailing list. The closest I've ever seen for this is the forums where you can elect to receive an email if a watched topic is posted to. Or if someone replies to you or a topic that you had previously replied to. While this is somewhat workable, it still looses all the benefits of an email list - you still have to go to the web page to view/respond to messages. And visiting the web page is not part of the normal routine for a number of people. Karl said it best - we can't please everyone. Unless someone were to sit down and write a tool to integrate/synch a forum (Zoho in particular in this case) and the mailing list (Google Groups in this case). I don't forsee that happening anytime soon. My thoughts. Shawn John Arrowwood wrote: Silly thought: What if the forums were 'published' to the mailing list, and the mailing list were made read-only? That is, every time a post is published on the forum, it is automatically sent to the mailing list. Then, in the footer of the message is a link to reply to the post, which when clicked takes you to the forum in such a way that the user can immediately reply to that post. The mailing list could be set up so that nobody except the forum 'bot' could post to it, which would make spam go away. People that have accessibility issues or just prefer to get their information via their email client could continue to read things that way. And you would have all of the benefits of the forum. Best of both worlds. Make everybody happy. I know it would make me happier. On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Octavian Rasnita orasn...@gmail.com mailto:orasn...@gmail.com wrote: From: MorningZ morni...@gmail.com mailto:morni...@gmail.com Besides, as Richard pointed out, the mailing list right here will still exist, it just won't be moderated/managed by the people it was before.. That would be good, because at least for a period there would still be an accessible source of information for JQuery. Octavian -- John Arrowwood John (at) Irie (dash) Inc (dot) com John (at) Arrowwood Photography (dot) com John (at) Hanlons Razor (dot) com -- http://www.irie-inc.com/ http://arrowwood.blogspot.com/
[jQuery] Re: New Forums
On Jan 22, 4:13 pm, John Arrowwood jarro...@gmail.com wrote: Silly thought: What if the forums were 'published' to the mailing list, and the mailing list were made read-only? That is, every time a post is published on the forum, it is automatically sent to the mailing list. Then, in the footer of the message is a link to reply to the post, which when clicked takes you to the forum in such a way that the user can immediately reply to that post. I hate to point out the obvious, but isn't this is what an RSS feed accomplishes?... want an email instead of an RSS reader? http://www.feedblitz.com/f/f.fbz?RSSHome Guys, all you need to do is read this post http://jquery14.com/day-07 Reading that post above, it's dead obvious that the change is made, it's done... there isn't one ounce of indication in that post whatsoever that the mailing list even has the slightest of chances of being the primary source of official jQuery help, and judging by the huge text banner at the top of this list, won't even be a minor source of official help. Also taking into account that moving to a forum was announced as the plan at September's jQuery Conference, meaning it was -thought about- long before that I personally like the mailing list, and don't enjoy the Zoho forum in it's current state (forgets login info despite asking to remember and fixed width is so 2000), ... i've been active here for going on two years, and it's been a great source of getting help as well as doing my best to provide help... but its time to see that the Forum decision is made for better or worse I'll still spend some time and post on both as long as this mailing list has traffic (and hasn't been over ridden with spam), as it's only one quick bookmark away but we're in the minority, and we had no say. I'm not trying to be harsh or rude or anything the like, just trying to point out the obvious :-( No matter where help is to be had... here, the forums, stackoverflow, the IRC channel, this is still a fantastic library and it makes web programmer's lives easier day in and day out. who cares what is official and what isn't. no matter what the solution, there's no way on God's green earth that it is going to satisfy everyone. they've done what is best for them in the the interest of moving forward, and Google Groups does have it's issues, Zoho was the solution made. /off soapbox have a good/safe weekend - Steve
[jQuery] Re: need help with simple jQuery problem
Thank you so much, Adriana. With the information you've given me, I have fixed the problem. I am so grateful. Best, Rory
