[julia-users] Re: META: What are the chances of moving this forum?

[Jonathan Malmaud]

Hi all,
I've set up a Discourse Julia forum at http://julia.malmaud.com/ so that we 
can evaluate as a community how well we like Discourse. It has most of the 
old posts from julia-users and julia-dev imported. Would be good if people 
gave it a whirl and left feedback. 

On Monday, September 14, 2015 at 9:56:15 PM UTC-4, Patrick Kofod Mogensen 
wrote:
>
> I know I am super late to the game. I just wanted to mention that there is 
> also the subreddit /r/Julia, which is very much a "julia-users" kind of 
> sub. It doesn't have auto-suggestion, but it does have basic markdown for 
> code. In case people where looking for a place to stay until a more 
> elaborate forum is established.
>
> I'm not necessarily that discontent with google groups, but it just told 
> me that a thread had been updated - well yes Google, but _I_ wrote that new 
> post you're telling me about...
>
> On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 7:34:58 AM UTC-4, Nils Gudat wrote:
>>
>> Was just thinking about this as first I had to try opening a thread here 
>> a couple of times before any posts were actually displayed, and then read 
>> through this 
>> 
>>  
>> thread on Mike's Juno Discuss forum, where a user had a question which was 
>> almost answered by the nice auto-suggestion feature that pops up when you 
>> ask a question.
>>
>> I feel that Google Groups has mostly downsides - the system is slow, with 
>> posts frequently not loading, double posts because of this, no proper code 
>> formatting or Markdown support etc.
>>
>> Is there a chance this could be moved to something like Discuss or is 
>> there too much inertia in having an "established" forum on Google Groups?
>>
>

[julia-users] Re: META: What are the chances of moving this forum?

[Patrick Kofod Mogensen]

I know I am super late to the game. I just wanted to mention that there is 
also the subreddit /r/Julia, which is very much a "julia-users" kind of 
sub. It doesn't have auto-suggestion, but it does have basic markdown for 
code. In case people where looking for a place to stay until a more 
elaborate forum is established.

I'm not necessarily that discontent with google groups, but it just told me 
that a thread had been updated - well yes Google, but _I_ wrote that new 
post you're telling me about...

On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 7:34:58 AM UTC-4, Nils Gudat wrote:
>
> Was just thinking about this as first I had to try opening a thread here a 
> couple of times before any posts were actually displayed, and then read 
> through this 
> 
>  
> thread on Mike's Juno Discuss forum, where a user had a question which was 
> almost answered by the nice auto-suggestion feature that pops up when you 
> ask a question.
>
> I feel that Google Groups has mostly downsides - the system is slow, with 
> posts frequently not loading, double posts because of this, no proper code 
> formatting or Markdown support etc.
>
> Is there a chance this could be moved to something like Discuss or is 
> there too much inertia in having an "established" forum on Google Groups?
>

[julia-users] Re: META: What are the chances of moving this forum?

[andy hayden]

allegedly you can host multiple sites on the same machine, which may cut 
down costs.

https://meta.discourse.org/t/multisite-configuration-with-docker/14084

On Friday, 11 September 2015 23:12:22 UTC-7, Nils Gudat wrote:
>
> I'll have two weeks off at the beginning of October, during which I'd be 
> happy to read up on how to get a Discourse forum up and running.
>

[julia-users] Re: META: What are the chances of moving this forum?

[Nils Gudat]

I'll have two weeks off at the beginning of October, during which I'd be 
happy to read up on how to get a Discourse forum up and running.

Re: [julia-users] Re: META: What are the chances of moving this forum?

[Michael Francis]

I'd be inclined to agree. Which likely means using a hosted solution, for 
unlimited that would seem to run about 1k per month. 

Re: [julia-users] Re: META: What are the chances of moving this forum?

[Stefan Karpinski]

I can't say I'm thrilled about the prospect of a service we have to host 
ourselves. My experience with that is that it will stop working pretty 
regularly. Cost is not the issue, maintenance is.

> On Sep 12, 2015, at 2:49 AM, andy hayden  wrote:
> 
> allegedly you can host multiple sites on the same machine, which may cut down 
> costs.
> 
> https://meta.discourse.org/t/multisite-configuration-with-docker/14084
> 
>> On Friday, 11 September 2015 23:12:22 UTC-7, Nils Gudat wrote:
>> I'll have two weeks off at the beginning of October, during which I'd be 
>> happy to read up on how to get a Discourse forum up and running.

[julia-users] Re: META: What are the chances of moving this forum?

[Michael Francis]

So the main (non-social) barriers would be hosting costs and having 
somebody to run it unless you pay for the hosted solution?

On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 7:34:58 AM UTC-4, Nils Gudat wrote:
>
> Was just thinking about this as first I had to try opening a thread here a 
> couple of times before any posts were actually displayed, and then read 
> through this 
> 
>  
> thread on Mike's Juno Discuss forum, where a user had a question which was 
> almost answered by the nice auto-suggestion feature that pops up when you 
> ask a question.
>
> I feel that Google Groups has mostly downsides - the system is slow, with 
> posts frequently not loading, double posts because of this, no proper code 
> formatting or Markdown support etc.
>
> Is there a chance this could be moved to something like Discuss or is 
> there too much inertia in having an "established" forum on Google Groups?
>

[julia-users] Re: META: What are the chances of moving this forum?

[Jeffrey Sarnoff]

Barriers unrelated to consensus include ongoing coverage of hosting costs 
and having a few people with the time and desire to prep, style, copy, 
organize it and having a solution provider that well provides the snappy 
response, capability, stability and flexibility sought.

 





On Friday, September 11, 2015 at 9:49:17 PM UTC-4, Michael Francis wrote:
>
> So the main (non-social) barriers would be hosting costs and having 
> somebody to run it unless you pay for the hosted solution?
>
> On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 7:34:58 AM UTC-4, Nils Gudat wrote:
>>
>> Was just thinking about this as first I had to try opening a thread here 
>> a couple of times before any posts were actually displayed, and then read 
>> through this 
>> 
>>  
>> thread on Mike's Juno Discuss forum, where a user had a question which was 
>> almost answered by the nice auto-suggestion feature that pops up when you 
>> ask a question.
>>
>> I feel that Google Groups has mostly downsides - the system is slow, with 
>> posts frequently not loading, double posts because of this, no proper code 
>> formatting or Markdown support etc.
>>
>> Is there a chance this could be moved to something like Discuss or is 
>> there too much inertia in having an "established" forum on Google Groups?
>>
>

Re: [julia-users] Re: META: What are the chances of moving this forum?

[Mauro]

>> Do any of these other suggestions have a mailing list interface?
>
> GitHub's issue tracking interface does.

In my email client the threading doesn't seem to work well with github
issue-emails, so I end up using the web interface most of the time.
Otherwise it might work well.  I had a quick look around on the
internet, not many projects seem to use issues as mailing list.  I only
found these:
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-houdini/2015Sep/0004.html
https://github.com/hapijs/discuss/issues

@-notifications could be quite nice.  Maybe it would be best if this was
tried out with a large Julia project to see the ins and outs?
Volunteers?

> On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 3:59:51 PM UTC-4, Robert DJ wrote:
>>
>> I'm not a fan of Google, so I think it would great to find another forum. 
>> Besides, I fully agree with the technical issues mentioned.
>>
>> Regarding the need for user accounts on e.g. GitHub, I don't see how that 
>> is different from requiring a Google account for participating here...
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 5:33:33 PM UTC+2, Jarrett Revels wrote:
>>>
>>> I often find myself wishing that this forum was just a GitHub repo, with 
>>> posts as issues. It would be great for supporting @-style mentions, 
>>> markdown, issue-linking, etc. The main downside would be forcing everybody 
>>> to have GitHub account (not bad IMO, but I can see others having an issue 
>>> for it).
>>>
>>> It would probably be a bad idea to upheave the forums, anyway, especially 
>>> at such a critical moment in Julia's development (v0.4 getting released 
>>> soon). I doubt this is going to happen.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 7:34:58 AM UTC-4, Nils Gudat wrote:

 Was just thinking about this as first I had to try opening a thread here 
 a couple of times before any posts were actually displayed, and then read 
 through this 
 
  
 thread on Mike's Juno Discuss forum, where a user had a question which was 
 almost answered by the nice auto-suggestion feature that pops up when you 
 ask a question.

 I feel that Google Groups has mostly downsides - the system is slow, 
 with posts frequently not loading, double posts because of this, no proper 
 code formatting or Markdown support etc.

 Is there a chance this could be moved to something like Discuss or is 
 there too much inertia in having an "established" forum on Google Groups?

>>>

Re: [julia-users] Re: META: What are the chances of moving this forum?

[Mauro]

>> Maybe it would be best if this was
>> tried out with a large Julia project to see the ins and outs?
>> Volunteers?
>
> I imagine that the only way that a tentative switch to a "JuliaUsers" repo 
> on Github would gain any significant traction is if the repo was under the 
> JuliaLang org.

I think you may have misunderstood my comment: I suggested that one of
the larger Julia projects, e.g. Julia-Stats, Juno, or Gadfly, would try
this out and report back.

But yes, the JuliaUsers would have to be part of JuliaLang.

> On Thursday, September 10, 2015 at 5:15:12 AM UTC-4, Mauro wrote:
>>
>> >> Do any of these other suggestions have a mailing list interface? 
>> > 
>> > GitHub's issue tracking interface does. 
>>
>> In my email client the threading doesn't seem to work well with github 
>> issue-emails, so I end up using the web interface most of the time. 
>> Otherwise it might work well.  I had a quick look around on the 
>> internet, not many projects seem to use issues as mailing list.  I only 
>> found these: 
>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-houdini/2015Sep/0004.html 
>> https://github.com/hapijs/discuss/issues 
>>
>> @-notifications could be quite nice.  Maybe it would be best if this was 
>> tried out with a large Julia project to see the ins and outs? 
>> Volunteers? 
>>
>> > On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 3:59:51 PM UTC-4, Robert DJ wrote: 
>> >> 
>> >> I'm not a fan of Google, so I think it would great to find another 
>> forum. 
>> >> Besides, I fully agree with the technical issues mentioned. 
>> >> 
>> >> Regarding the need for user accounts on e.g. GitHub, I don't see how 
>> that 
>> >> is different from requiring a Google account for participating here... 
>> >> 
>> >> On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 5:33:33 PM UTC+2, Jarrett Revels 
>> wrote: 
>> >>> 
>> >>> I often find myself wishing that this forum was just a GitHub repo, 
>> with 
>> >>> posts as issues. It would be great for supporting @-style mentions, 
>> >>> markdown, issue-linking, etc. The main downside would be forcing 
>> everybody 
>> >>> to have GitHub account (not bad IMO, but I can see others having an 
>> issue 
>> >>> for it). 
>> >>> 
>> >>> It would probably be a bad idea to upheave the forums, anyway, 
>> especially 
>> >>> at such a critical moment in Julia's development (v0.4 getting 
>> released 
>> >>> soon). I doubt this is going to happen. 
>> >>> 
>> >>> On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 7:34:58 AM UTC-4, Nils Gudat wrote: 
>>  
>>  Was just thinking about this as first I had to try opening a thread 
>> here 
>>  a couple of times before any posts were actually displayed, and then 
>> read 
>>  through this 
>>  <
>> http://discuss.junolab.org/t/how-to-let-julia-be-the-boss-of-juno-windows-windows-issue/320>
>>  
>>
>>  thread on Mike's Juno Discuss forum, where a user had a question 
>> which was 
>>  almost answered by the nice auto-suggestion feature that pops up when 
>> you 
>>  ask a question. 
>>  
>>  I feel that Google Groups has mostly downsides - the system is slow, 
>>  with posts frequently not loading, double posts because of this, no 
>> proper 
>>  code formatting or Markdown support etc. 
>>  
>>  Is there a chance this could be moved to something like Discuss or is 
>>  there too much inertia in having an "established" forum on Google 
>> Groups? 
>>  
>> >>> 
>>
>>

Re: [julia-users] Re: META: What are the chances of moving this forum?

[Jarrett Revels]

>
> Maybe it would be best if this was
> tried out with a large Julia project to see the ins and outs?
> Volunteers?


I imagine that the only way that a tentative switch to a "JuliaUsers" repo 
on Github would gain any significant traction is if the repo was under the 
JuliaLang org.

On Thursday, September 10, 2015 at 5:15:12 AM UTC-4, Mauro wrote:
>
> >> Do any of these other suggestions have a mailing list interface? 
> > 
> > GitHub's issue tracking interface does. 
>
> In my email client the threading doesn't seem to work well with github 
> issue-emails, so I end up using the web interface most of the time. 
> Otherwise it might work well.  I had a quick look around on the 
> internet, not many projects seem to use issues as mailing list.  I only 
> found these: 
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-houdini/2015Sep/0004.html 
> https://github.com/hapijs/discuss/issues 
>
> @-notifications could be quite nice.  Maybe it would be best if this was 
> tried out with a large Julia project to see the ins and outs? 
> Volunteers? 
>
> > On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 3:59:51 PM UTC-4, Robert DJ wrote: 
> >> 
> >> I'm not a fan of Google, so I think it would great to find another 
> forum. 
> >> Besides, I fully agree with the technical issues mentioned. 
> >> 
> >> Regarding the need for user accounts on e.g. GitHub, I don't see how 
> that 
> >> is different from requiring a Google account for participating here... 
> >> 
> >> On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 5:33:33 PM UTC+2, Jarrett Revels 
> wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> I often find myself wishing that this forum was just a GitHub repo, 
> with 
> >>> posts as issues. It would be great for supporting @-style mentions, 
> >>> markdown, issue-linking, etc. The main downside would be forcing 
> everybody 
> >>> to have GitHub account (not bad IMO, but I can see others having an 
> issue 
> >>> for it). 
> >>> 
> >>> It would probably be a bad idea to upheave the forums, anyway, 
> especially 
> >>> at such a critical moment in Julia's development (v0.4 getting 
> released 
> >>> soon). I doubt this is going to happen. 
> >>> 
> >>> On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 7:34:58 AM UTC-4, Nils Gudat wrote: 
>  
>  Was just thinking about this as first I had to try opening a thread 
> here 
>  a couple of times before any posts were actually displayed, and then 
> read 
>  through this 
>  <
> http://discuss.junolab.org/t/how-to-let-julia-be-the-boss-of-juno-windows-windows-issue/320>
>  
>
>  thread on Mike's Juno Discuss forum, where a user had a question 
> which was 
>  almost answered by the nice auto-suggestion feature that pops up when 
> you 
>  ask a question. 
>  
>  I feel that Google Groups has mostly downsides - the system is slow, 
>  with posts frequently not loading, double posts because of this, no 
> proper 
>  code formatting or Markdown support etc. 
>  
>  Is there a chance this could be moved to something like Discuss or is 
>  there too much inertia in having an "established" forum on Google 
> Groups? 
>  
> >>> 
>
>

[julia-users] Re: META: What are the chances of moving this forum?

[Jonathan Malmaud]

Some of us were thinking seriously about moving to Discourse. Mostly it 
would be a matter of handling the financing and administration of a 
Discourse server. Being able to import the archive of threads from the 
google group into Discourse would also be a help. 

On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 7:34:58 AM UTC-4, Nils Gudat wrote:
>
> Was just thinking about this as first I had to try opening a thread here a 
> couple of times before any posts were actually displayed, and then read 
> through this 
> 
>  
> thread on Mike's Juno Discuss forum, where a user had a question which was 
> almost answered by the nice auto-suggestion feature that pops up when you 
> ask a question.
>
> I feel that Google Groups has mostly downsides - the system is slow, with 
> posts frequently not loading, double posts because of this, no proper code 
> formatting or Markdown support etc.
>
> Is there a chance this could be moved to something like Discuss or is 
> there too much inertia in having an "established" forum on Google Groups?
>

Re: [julia-users] Re: META: What are the chances of moving this forum?

[Jarrett Revels]

>
> I think you may have misunderstood my comment: I suggested that one of 
> the larger Julia projects, e.g. Julia-Stats, Juno, or Gadfly, would try 
> this out and report back.
>

Oh yeah, sorry, that makes more sense haha.

On Thursday, September 10, 2015 at 9:15:53 AM UTC-4, Mauro wrote:
>
> >> Maybe it would be best if this was 
> >> tried out with a large Julia project to see the ins and outs? 
> >> Volunteers? 
> > 
> > I imagine that the only way that a tentative switch to a "JuliaUsers" 
> repo 
> > on Github would gain any significant traction is if the repo was under 
> the 
> > JuliaLang org. 
>
> I think you may have misunderstood my comment: I suggested that one of 
> the larger Julia projects, e.g. Julia-Stats, Juno, or Gadfly, would try 
> this out and report back. 
>
> But yes, the JuliaUsers would have to be part of JuliaLang. 
>
> > On Thursday, September 10, 2015 at 5:15:12 AM UTC-4, Mauro wrote: 
> >> 
> >> >> Do any of these other suggestions have a mailing list interface? 
> >> > 
> >> > GitHub's issue tracking interface does. 
> >> 
> >> In my email client the threading doesn't seem to work well with github 
> >> issue-emails, so I end up using the web interface most of the time. 
> >> Otherwise it might work well.  I had a quick look around on the 
> >> internet, not many projects seem to use issues as mailing list.  I only 
> >> found these: 
> >> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-houdini/2015Sep/0004.html 
> >> https://github.com/hapijs/discuss/issues 
> >> 
> >> @-notifications could be quite nice.  Maybe it would be best if this 
> was 
> >> tried out with a large Julia project to see the ins and outs? 
> >> Volunteers? 
> >> 
> >> > On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 3:59:51 PM UTC-4, Robert DJ wrote: 
> >> >> 
> >> >> I'm not a fan of Google, so I think it would great to find another 
> >> forum. 
> >> >> Besides, I fully agree with the technical issues mentioned. 
> >> >> 
> >> >> Regarding the need for user accounts on e.g. GitHub, I don't see how 
> >> that 
> >> >> is different from requiring a Google account for participating 
> here... 
> >> >> 
> >> >> On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 5:33:33 PM UTC+2, Jarrett Revels 
> >> wrote: 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> I often find myself wishing that this forum was just a GitHub repo, 
> >> with 
> >> >>> posts as issues. It would be great for supporting @-style mentions, 
> >> >>> markdown, issue-linking, etc. The main downside would be forcing 
> >> everybody 
> >> >>> to have GitHub account (not bad IMO, but I can see others having an 
> >> issue 
> >> >>> for it). 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> It would probably be a bad idea to upheave the forums, anyway, 
> >> especially 
> >> >>> at such a critical moment in Julia's development (v0.4 getting 
> >> released 
> >> >>> soon). I doubt this is going to happen. 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 7:34:58 AM UTC-4, Nils Gudat 
> wrote: 
> >>  
> >>  Was just thinking about this as first I had to try opening a 
> thread 
> >> here 
> >>  a couple of times before any posts were actually displayed, and 
> then 
> >> read 
> >>  through this 
> >>  < 
> >> 
> http://discuss.junolab.org/t/how-to-let-julia-be-the-boss-of-juno-windows-windows-issue/320>
>  
>
> >> 
> >>  thread on Mike's Juno Discuss forum, where a user had a question 
> >> which was 
> >>  almost answered by the nice auto-suggestion feature that pops up 
> when 
> >> you 
> >>  ask a question. 
> >>  
> >>  I feel that Google Groups has mostly downsides - the system is 
> slow, 
> >>  with posts frequently not loading, double posts because of this, 
> no 
> >> proper 
> >>  code formatting or Markdown support etc. 
> >>  
> >>  Is there a chance this could be moved to something like Discuss or 
> is 
> >>  there too much inertia in having an "established" forum on Google 
> >> Groups? 
> >>  
> >> >>> 
> >> 
> >> 
>
>

Re: [julia-users] Re: META: What are the chances of moving this forum?

[Mauro]

More confusion: my post was about github-issues as a mailing list.  But
of course this applies equally to discourse, which indeed Juno uses.

On Thu, 2015-09-10 at 15:51, Nils Gudat  wrote:
> Juno is already on (I think) discourse: http://discuss.junolab.org/about
> That's what already brought me to post this, as the forum over there is 
> infinitely better than Google Groups. Maybe Mike has some comments about 
> time & monetary effort involved in setting this up?
>
> On Thursday, September 10, 2015 at 2:15:53 PM UTC+1, Mauro wrote:
>
>> I think you may have misunderstood my comment: I suggested that one of 
>> the larger Julia projects, e.g. Julia-Stats, Juno, or Gadfly, would try 
>> this out and report back. 
>>
>> But yes, the JuliaUsers would have to be part of JuliaLang. 

Re: [julia-users] Re: META: What are the chances of moving this forum?

[Isaiah Norton]

>
> More confusion: my post was about github-issues as a mailing list.  But
> of course this applies equally to discourse, which indeed Juno uses.
>
-1 to re-purposing GitHub issues for any sort of free-form discussion. I
don't see that as solving any problems. At scale, the GitHub issue tracker
is limited even for the intended purpose.

I do like Discourse because of the auto-suggestion, tiered moderation,
proper threading, categorization, and other features that would (hopefully)
*cut down* on the number of pings we see. Discourse also has at least
one-way GitHub cross-linking (mentioning a GitHub issue in discourse will
expand to a short summary, IIRC).

For another example of an active programming language-related Discourse
site, see:

http://users.rust-lang.org

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 10:01 AM, Mauro  wrote:

> More confusion: my post was about github-issues as a mailing list.  But
> of course this applies equally to discourse, which indeed Juno uses.
>
> On Thu, 2015-09-10 at 15:51, Nils Gudat  wrote:
> > Juno is already on (I think) discourse: http://discuss.junolab.org/about
> > That's what already brought me to post this, as the forum over there is
> > infinitely better than Google Groups. Maybe Mike has some comments about
> > time & monetary effort involved in setting this up?
> >
> > On Thursday, September 10, 2015 at 2:15:53 PM UTC+1, Mauro wrote:
> >
> >> I think you may have misunderstood my comment: I suggested that one of
> >> the larger Julia projects, e.g. Julia-Stats, Juno, or Gadfly, would try
> >> this out and report back.
> >>
> >> But yes, the JuliaUsers would have to be part of JuliaLang.
>
>

Re: [julia-users] Re: META: What are the chances of moving this forum?

[Nils Gudat]

The Rust example probably explains this: 
https://youtu.be/pYYmnBma9qk?list=PLP8iPy9hna6Sdx4soiGrSefrmOPdUWixM=337 
:)

Re: [julia-users] Re: META: What are the chances of moving this forum?

[Scott Jones]

I just checked out Mike's Juno discourse site, looks very good to me.

On Thursday, September 10, 2015 at 9:51:09 AM UTC-4, Nils Gudat wrote:
>
> Juno is already on (I think) discourse: http://discuss.junolab.org/about
> That's what already brought me to post this, as the forum over there is 
> infinitely better than Google Groups. Maybe Mike has some comments about 
> time & monetary effort involved in setting this up?
>
> On Thursday, September 10, 2015 at 2:15:53 PM UTC+1, Mauro wrote:
>
>> I think you may have misunderstood my comment: I suggested that one of 
>> the larger Julia projects, e.g. Julia-Stats, Juno, or Gadfly, would try 
>> this out and report back. 
>>
>> But yes, the JuliaUsers would have to be part of JuliaLang. 
>>
>>

Re: [julia-users] Re: META: What are the chances of moving this forum?

[Nils Gudat]

Juno is already on (I think) discourse: http://discuss.junolab.org/about
That's what already brought me to post this, as the forum over there is 
infinitely better than Google Groups. Maybe Mike has some comments about 
time & monetary effort involved in setting this up?

On Thursday, September 10, 2015 at 2:15:53 PM UTC+1, Mauro wrote:

> I think you may have misunderstood my comment: I suggested that one of 
> the larger Julia projects, e.g. Julia-Stats, Juno, or Gadfly, would try 
> this out and report back. 
>
> But yes, the JuliaUsers would have to be part of JuliaLang. 
>
>

Re: [julia-users] Re: META: What are the chances of moving this forum?

[Waldir Pimenta]

On Thursday, September 10, 2015 at 3:23:16 PM UTC+1, Isaiah wrote:
>
> proper threading
>

Uh, I thought Discourse was adamantly on the flat side of the "flat vs. 
threaded discussion" debate, Or did you mean something different?

[julia-users] Re: META: What are the chances of moving this forum?

[Arch Call]

I like the Juno forum also but:


   - it looks like the Juno forum has slight moderation.  Maybe some of the 
   suggestions are from a human forcing the question into a category. (this is 
   a guess only!)
   - the Google "julia-users" forum has way more activity and the subject 
   range is far broader, thus making it tough for "auto tips"

...Arch

On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 7:34:58 AM UTC-4, Nils Gudat wrote:
>
> Was just thinking about this as first I had to try opening a thread here a 
> couple of times before any posts were actually displayed, and then read 
> through this 
> 
>  
> thread on Mike's Juno Discuss forum, where a user had a question which was 
> almost answered by the nice auto-suggestion feature that pops up when you 
> ask a question.
>
> I feel that Google Groups has mostly downsides - the system is slow, with 
> posts frequently not loading, double posts because of this, no proper code 
> formatting or Markdown support etc.
>
> Is there a chance this could be moved to something like Discuss or is 
> there too much inertia in having an "established" forum on Google Groups?
>

[julia-users] Re: META: What are the chances of moving this forum?

[Christoph Ortner]

I think it would be nice to have a discussion group with Markdown support.

[julia-users] Re: META: What are the chances of moving this forum?

[Nils Gudat]

Not sure about this (maybe Mike can chime in), but I believe all the 
categorization is from the users themselves, as the forum software asks you 
to put your post in a category when you ask it. 
Also, I wasn't implying that the auto tips alone would be a reason to move, 
the slowness of Google Groups and the terrible formatting of posts 
(especially code) are much more important in my opinion. I still think the 
auto tips could help for the case of the "I rewrote this Matlab/R/Python 
code in Julia, why is it so slow?" questions.

RE: [julia-users] Re: META: What are the chances of moving this forum?

[David Anthoff]

Do any of these other suggestions have a mailing list interface? That seems 
critical, I bet lots of people never touch the Google groups UI and just use 
this as a traditional mailing list, which is very convenient.

 

From: julia-users@googlegroups.com [mailto:julia-users@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Jarrett Revels
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 8:34 AM
To: julia-users 
Subject: [julia-users] Re: META: What are the chances of moving this forum?

 

I often find myself wishing that this forum was just a GitHub repo, with posts 
as issues. It would be great for supporting @-style mentions, markdown, 
issue-linking, etc. The main downside would be forcing everybody to have GitHub 
account (not bad IMO, but I can see others having an issue for it).

 

It would probably be a bad idea to upheave the forums, anyway, especially at 
such a critical moment in Julia's development (v0.4 getting released soon). I 
doubt this is going to happen.


On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 7:34:58 AM UTC-4, Nils Gudat wrote:

Was just thinking about this as first I had to try opening a thread here a 
couple of times before any posts were actually displayed, and then read through 
this 

  thread on Mike's Juno Discuss forum, where a user had a question which was 
almost answered by the nice auto-suggestion feature that pops up when you ask a 
question.

I feel that Google Groups has mostly downsides - the system is slow, with posts 
frequently not loading, double posts because of this, no proper code formatting 
or Markdown support etc.

Is there a chance this could be moved to something like Discuss or is there too 
much inertia in having an "established" forum on Google Groups?

[julia-users] Re: META: What are the chances of moving this forum?

[Jarrett Revels]

I often find myself wishing that this forum was just a GitHub repo, with 
posts as issues. It would be great for supporting @-style mentions, 
markdown, issue-linking, etc. The main downside would be forcing everybody 
to have GitHub account (not bad IMO, but I can see others having an issue 
for it).

It would probably be a bad idea to upheave the forums, anyway, especially 
at such a critical moment in Julia's development (v0.4 getting released 
soon). I doubt this is going to happen.

On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 7:34:58 AM UTC-4, Nils Gudat wrote:
>
> Was just thinking about this as first I had to try opening a thread here a 
> couple of times before any posts were actually displayed, and then read 
> through this 
> 
>  
> thread on Mike's Juno Discuss forum, where a user had a question which was 
> almost answered by the nice auto-suggestion feature that pops up when you 
> ask a question.
>
> I feel that Google Groups has mostly downsides - the system is slow, with 
> posts frequently not loading, double posts because of this, no proper code 
> formatting or Markdown support etc.
>
> Is there a chance this could be moved to something like Discuss or is 
> there too much inertia in having an "established" forum on Google Groups?
>

Re: [julia-users] Re: META: What are the chances of moving this forum?

[Jacob Quinn]

I know I've heard chatter around about moving google groups to Discourse. I
think people would generally be favorable, the problem is just having
someone to own it, set it up, maintain, etc. I'm not even sure what the
overhead for something like Discourse is vs. google groups. If someone
feels strongly and has the bandwidth, it'd certainly be worth putting forth
a solid proposal of how to migrate/setup/maintain etc.

-Jacob

On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Nils Gudat  wrote:

> That's a good point, I hadn't thought of that. Discourse (which I think is
> what's behind the Juno forum, and the Atom discussion group) seems to do:
> Discourse Mailing list mode
> 
> Discourse reply via email
> 
>
> But I've never used mailing lists properly, so I can't say whether this
> would be satisfactory to those who do.
>

Re: [julia-users] Re: META: What are the chances of moving this forum?

[Nils Gudat]

That's a good point, I hadn't thought of that. Discourse (which I think is 
what's behind the Juno forum, and the Atom discussion group) seems to do: 
Discourse Mailing list mode 

Discourse reply via email 


But I've never used mailing lists properly, so I can't say whether this 
would be satisfactory to those who do.

[julia-users] Re: META: What are the chances of moving this forum?

[Robert DJ]

I'm not a fan of Google, so I think it would great to find another forum. 
Besides, I fully agree with the technical issues mentioned.

Regarding the need for user accounts on e.g. GitHub, I don't see how that 
is different from requiring a Google account for participating here...

On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 5:33:33 PM UTC+2, Jarrett Revels wrote:
>
> I often find myself wishing that this forum was just a GitHub repo, with 
> posts as issues. It would be great for supporting @-style mentions, 
> markdown, issue-linking, etc. The main downside would be forcing everybody 
> to have GitHub account (not bad IMO, but I can see others having an issue 
> for it).
>
> It would probably be a bad idea to upheave the forums, anyway, especially 
> at such a critical moment in Julia's development (v0.4 getting released 
> soon). I doubt this is going to happen.
>
> On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 7:34:58 AM UTC-4, Nils Gudat wrote:
>>
>> Was just thinking about this as first I had to try opening a thread here 
>> a couple of times before any posts were actually displayed, and then read 
>> through this 
>> 
>>  
>> thread on Mike's Juno Discuss forum, where a user had a question which was 
>> almost answered by the nice auto-suggestion feature that pops up when you 
>> ask a question.
>>
>> I feel that Google Groups has mostly downsides - the system is slow, with 
>> posts frequently not loading, double posts because of this, no proper code 
>> formatting or Markdown support etc.
>>
>> Is there a chance this could be moved to something like Discuss or is 
>> there too much inertia in having an "established" forum on Google Groups?
>>
>

[julia-users] Re: META: What are the chances of moving this forum?

[Jarrett Revels]

>
> Do any of these other suggestions have a mailing list interface?


GitHub's issue tracking interface does.

On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 3:59:51 PM UTC-4, Robert DJ wrote:
>
> I'm not a fan of Google, so I think it would great to find another forum. 
> Besides, I fully agree with the technical issues mentioned.
>
> Regarding the need for user accounts on e.g. GitHub, I don't see how that 
> is different from requiring a Google account for participating here...
>
> On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 5:33:33 PM UTC+2, Jarrett Revels wrote:
>>
>> I often find myself wishing that this forum was just a GitHub repo, with 
>> posts as issues. It would be great for supporting @-style mentions, 
>> markdown, issue-linking, etc. The main downside would be forcing everybody 
>> to have GitHub account (not bad IMO, but I can see others having an issue 
>> for it).
>>
>> It would probably be a bad idea to upheave the forums, anyway, especially 
>> at such a critical moment in Julia's development (v0.4 getting released 
>> soon). I doubt this is going to happen.
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 7:34:58 AM UTC-4, Nils Gudat wrote:
>>>
>>> Was just thinking about this as first I had to try opening a thread here 
>>> a couple of times before any posts were actually displayed, and then read 
>>> through this 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> thread on Mike's Juno Discuss forum, where a user had a question which was 
>>> almost answered by the nice auto-suggestion feature that pops up when you 
>>> ask a question.
>>>
>>> I feel that Google Groups has mostly downsides - the system is slow, 
>>> with posts frequently not loading, double posts because of this, no proper 
>>> code formatting or Markdown support etc.
>>>
>>> Is there a chance this could be moved to something like Discuss or is 
>>> there too much inertia in having an "established" forum on Google Groups?
>>>
>>