Re: [JPP-Devel] Layer context menu
Hi all, from my point of view, as user, I prefer not to have destructive plugins under Leyerview context menu and keep them under ony Edit and Layer menus. This would make Leyerview context more simple and clean for users. And make users more aware about deleting items or layer in an undoable situation (AFAIR we already had a discussion like this a long ago) my 2 cents Peppe 2014-12-18 20:05 GMT+01:00 edgar.sol...@web.de: On 18.12.2014 19:49, Michael Michaud wrote: Hi, Layer context menu has been changed a few month ago, but I don't understand the rational we now have : - Cut Selected Layers - Copy Selected Layers - Paste Items - Combine Selected Layers * - Remove Selected Layers - Delete All Features * * Add New Features Select Current Layer Items Questions / proposition for the defult plugins configuration 1 ) Is there a difference between Cut and Remove Selected Layers (I'm used to the remove symbol and did not notice the cut plugin) there is, cut keeps them in clipboard so you can paste. remove just deletes them. I see. OK to keep Remove Selected Layers apart. May be we should find a name to guide the user to the right tool. - Cut Selected Layers - Remove Selected Layers (not undoable) cut and remove are pretty distinctive and widely used. wrt. to the undoability - i'd rather have a switch implemented (undo for layer deletion) than a note in parenthesis everywhere where layers get removed. 2) Could we gather layer plugins and feature plugins together - Remove Selected Layers - Copy Selected Layers - Combine Selected Layers * - Add New Features - Paste *Features* - Delete All Features - Select *All* Features yes, but that would be highly unusual. 'cut/copy/paste' are standard edit routines, which are grouped together in the edit menu of every software i know. Yes, but don't mix paste items with paste layer which is a Category context menu item. ok, my mistake, thought you were stil talking about the layerview context menu. ok, you switched to the layertree context menu. We don't use to see cut/copy/paste grouped when they are not about the exact same kind of object. well, we do.. checkeg. your windows explorer context menu on a folder. cut/copy acts on the folder, insert puts files/folders into that folder. usually they are followed by 'delete'. i took the liberty to separate 'delete', just to visualize that this is a destructive edit. I don't follow you... which plugin are you talking about ? that would be remove selected layers then also, from a usability standpoint, menus should be as similar as possible so users get used the order of entries and do not need to look around. for example - ideally the 'Edit' menu should have the same entries as the 'LayerView'-context menu. the 'Layer' menu the same as the 'LayerTree'-context menu. Understand, but it is an argument to not group paste items with cut/copy layers ;-) i really don't see the harm.. It is also an argument to group delete all features with other feature edit action like add new feature, but I understand that destructive operations should not be put anywhere, and that it may be a good idea to keep remove layer and delete items together. +1 for deletion group separation Maybe the only suggestion to keep from my initial proposition is to move paste items after select current layer items -1 ..paste items is a pretty important action and should be treated as such. i'd agree to move it above copy/cut though. ..ede -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Jump-pilot-devel mailing list Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Jump-pilot-devel mailing list Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel
Re: [JPP-Devel] Layer context menu
On 18.12.2014 09:04, Michael Michaud wrote: Hi, Layer context menu has been changed a few month ago, but I don't understand the rational we now have : - Cut Selected Layers - Copy Selected Layers - Paste Items - Combine Selected Layers * - Remove Selected Layers - Delete All Features * * Add New Features Select Current Layer Items Questions / proposition for the defult plugins configuration 1 ) Is there a difference between Cut and Remove Selected Layers (I'm used to the remove symbol and did not notice the cut plugin) there is, cut keeps them in clipboard so you can paste. remove just deletes them. 2) Could we gather layer plugins and feature plugins together - Remove Selected Layers - Copy Selected Layers - Combine Selected Layers * - Add New Features - Paste *Features* - Delete All Features - Select *All* Features yes, but that would be highly unusual. 'cut/copy/paste' are standard edit routines, which are grouped together in the edit menu of every software i know. usually they are followed by 'delete'. i took the liberty to separate 'delete', just to visualize that this is a destructive edit. also, from a usability standpoint, menus should be as similar as possible so users get used the order of entries and do not need to look around. for example - ideally the 'Edit' menu should have the same entries as the 'LayerView'-context menu. the 'Layer' menu the same as the 'LayerTree'-context menu. of that is not always possible but we are pretty close i'd say. ..ede -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Jump-pilot-devel mailing list Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel
Re: [JPP-Devel] Layer context menu
Hi yes the delete and remove ops should be separate. Long time ago I introduced it, because a couple of times I accidently chose delete/remove while wanting to do something else... having the separators pretty much eliminates this problem as the the items are fo far away from other stuff. With cut, yes, its a bit different, as Edgar wrotes. cheers, stefan Am 18.12.14 07:15, schrieb edgar.sol...@web.de: On 18.12.2014 09:04, Michael Michaud wrote: Hi, Layer context menu has been changed a few month ago, but I don't understand the rational we now have : - Cut Selected Layers - Copy Selected Layers - Paste Items - Combine Selected Layers * - Remove Selected Layers - Delete All Features * * Add New Features Select Current Layer Items Questions / proposition for the defult plugins configuration 1 ) Is there a difference between Cut and Remove Selected Layers (I'm used to the remove symbol and did not notice the cut plugin) there is, cut keeps them in clipboard so you can paste. remove just deletes them. 2) Could we gather layer plugins and feature plugins together - Remove Selected Layers - Copy Selected Layers - Combine Selected Layers * - Add New Features - Paste *Features* - Delete All Features - Select *All* Features yes, but that would be highly unusual. 'cut/copy/paste' are standard edit routines, which are grouped together in the edit menu of every software i know. usually they are followed by 'delete'. i took the liberty to separate 'delete', just to visualize that this is a destructive edit. also, from a usability standpoint, menus should be as similar as possible so users get used the order of entries and do not need to look around. for example - ideally the 'Edit' menu should have the same entries as the 'LayerView'-context menu. the 'Layer' menu the same as the 'LayerTree'-context menu. of that is not always possible but we are pretty close i'd say. ..ede -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Jump-pilot-devel mailing list Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Jump-pilot-devel mailing list Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel
Re: [JPP-Devel] Layer context menu
Hi, Layer context menu has been changed a few month ago, but I don't understand the rational we now have : - Cut Selected Layers - Copy Selected Layers - Paste Items - Combine Selected Layers * - Remove Selected Layers - Delete All Features * * Add New Features Select Current Layer Items Questions / proposition for the defult plugins configuration 1 ) Is there a difference between Cut and Remove Selected Layers (I'm used to the remove symbol and did not notice the cut plugin) there is, cut keeps them in clipboard so you can paste. remove just deletes them. I see. OK to keep Remove Selected Layers apart. May be we should find a name to guide the user to the right tool. - Cut Selected Layers - Remove Selected Layers (not undoable) 2) Could we gather layer plugins and feature plugins together - Remove Selected Layers - Copy Selected Layers - Combine Selected Layers * - Add New Features - Paste *Features* - Delete All Features - Select *All* Features yes, but that would be highly unusual. 'cut/copy/paste' are standard edit routines, which are grouped together in the edit menu of every software i know. Yes, but don't mix paste items with paste layer which is a Category context menu item. We don't use to see cut/copy/paste grouped when they are not about the exact same kind of object. usually they are followed by 'delete'. i took the liberty to separate 'delete', just to visualize that this is a destructive edit. I don't follow you... which plugin are you talking about ? also, from a usability standpoint, menus should be as similar as possible so users get used the order of entries and do not need to look around. for example - ideally the 'Edit' menu should have the same entries as the 'LayerView'-context menu. the 'Layer' menu the same as the 'LayerTree'-context menu. Understand, but it is an argument to not group paste items with cut/copy layers ;-) It is also an argument to group delete all features with other feature edit action like add new feature, but I understand that destructive operations should not be put anywhere, and that it may be a good idea to keep remove layer and delete items together. Maybe the only suggestion to keep from my initial proposition is to move paste items after select current layer items Michaël of that is not always possible but we are pretty close i'd say. ..ede -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Jump-pilot-devel mailing list Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Jump-pilot-devel mailing list Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel
Re: [JPP-Devel] Layer context menu
On 18.12.2014 19:49, Michael Michaud wrote: Hi, Layer context menu has been changed a few month ago, but I don't understand the rational we now have : - Cut Selected Layers - Copy Selected Layers - Paste Items - Combine Selected Layers * - Remove Selected Layers - Delete All Features * * Add New Features Select Current Layer Items Questions / proposition for the defult plugins configuration 1 ) Is there a difference between Cut and Remove Selected Layers (I'm used to the remove symbol and did not notice the cut plugin) there is, cut keeps them in clipboard so you can paste. remove just deletes them. I see. OK to keep Remove Selected Layers apart. May be we should find a name to guide the user to the right tool. - Cut Selected Layers - Remove Selected Layers (not undoable) cut and remove are pretty distinctive and widely used. wrt. to the undoability - i'd rather have a switch implemented (undo for layer deletion) than a note in parenthesis everywhere where layers get removed. 2) Could we gather layer plugins and feature plugins together - Remove Selected Layers - Copy Selected Layers - Combine Selected Layers * - Add New Features - Paste *Features* - Delete All Features - Select *All* Features yes, but that would be highly unusual. 'cut/copy/paste' are standard edit routines, which are grouped together in the edit menu of every software i know. Yes, but don't mix paste items with paste layer which is a Category context menu item. ok, my mistake, thought you were stil talking about the layerview context menu. ok, you switched to the layertree context menu. We don't use to see cut/copy/paste grouped when they are not about the exact same kind of object. well, we do.. checkeg. your windows explorer context menu on a folder. cut/copy acts on the folder, insert puts files/folders into that folder. usually they are followed by 'delete'. i took the liberty to separate 'delete', just to visualize that this is a destructive edit. I don't follow you... which plugin are you talking about ? that would be remove selected layers then also, from a usability standpoint, menus should be as similar as possible so users get used the order of entries and do not need to look around. for example - ideally the 'Edit' menu should have the same entries as the 'LayerView'-context menu. the 'Layer' menu the same as the 'LayerTree'-context menu. Understand, but it is an argument to not group paste items with cut/copy layers ;-) i really don't see the harm.. It is also an argument to group delete all features with other feature edit action like add new feature, but I understand that destructive operations should not be put anywhere, and that it may be a good idea to keep remove layer and delete items together. +1 for deletion group separation Maybe the only suggestion to keep from my initial proposition is to move paste items after select current layer items -1 ..paste items is a pretty important action and should be treated as such. i'd agree to move it above copy/cut though. ..ede -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Jump-pilot-devel mailing list Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel
